Report: Two Teams In The Top Five Of Draft Eyeing A Trade
by Joel Thorman on Feb 20, 2010 2:32 PM CST
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PrintAnd the rumor season is in full effect.
Chris Steuber of Scout.com reports that the Rams and Bucs have had "exploratory discussions" regarding a potential blockbuster trade.
I’ve been told that the Rams and Buccaneers have had exploratory discussions on a deal, which would involve the team’s first round selections (No. 1 and 3), possibly one of the Buccaneers second round picks (they have two picks in the second round: No. 35 and 42) or their third round pick (No. 67).
Steuber goes on to say that the Rams could accept the Bucs third round pick in addition to quarterback Josh Johnson, who is currently behind Josh Freeman on the depth chart.
The Chiefs angle in all of this: If the Rams acquire Johnson, it could stop them from taking a quarterback and, as I've said before, the best chance of a Chiefs trade down is if one or both of the top two quarterbacks are available when their turn comes.
We don't know the veracity of this report but we do know every year at this time there are reports of this nature.
Bottomline? There's going to be a lot of rumors over teams looking to move around in the draft but those types of deals don't come together very often.
(H/T Ray Brown)
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This will take awhile to formulate, I'd guess.
I can’t imagine the Rams/Bucs will do anything until Clausen/Suh make it through the combine/pro days clean. And there’s FA, too.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
i think u guys have the players all wrong
its gonna be for bradford and mccoy
Sounds like the Bucs want Suh.
They already have a QB in Freeman… there’s no one else to move up for besides Suh. I think this would be a good move for the Rams because they could pick up an extra 2nd rounder and still draft Clausen.
I agree I dont know who else they would be willing to move up for
if they do that would mean theres a really good chance that Berry and Mcclain are still on the board when we draft
Exactly. I don't know why people keep talking about Suh.
he won’t be available. Simple, period, call it a day.
by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 20, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
This could also be a move ahead of Detroit for McCoy
Suh isn’t number 1 on everyone’s board.
by TonyG88 on Feb 20, 2010 3:45 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Why not just trade with Detroit then?
would save a lot of picks
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
If this is true...
then this hurts the Chiefs if they want to stay @ 5 and pick. Rams need OL badly too
If I'm Tampa...
I would call St. Louis bluff on taking Suh. And say Suh goes 2 overall. I’d much rather take McCoy, who is dominant as well than give up picks. The Rams need a QB, plain and simple. Detroit despartely needs a LT and would glady trade down to 5 with us. Then, we can take Suh.
I can't think of a worse move for KC than trading up.
I’d rather have had them pick Hayword-Bay last year.
no matter what?
Given the circumstance it could be a good thing
by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2010 5:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nope, there is no circumstance that justifies moving up from the #5 pick.
Moving up in later rounds, sure, but there isn’t a player in this draft that justifies moving up with as many holes as this team has.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 20, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no player in your opinion but what matters
Is the opinion of those who are trusted to make those decisions
by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2010 5:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Could you have a lamer reply?
The fuck to any of us bother posting our opinions on this site? After all we don’t make any of the decisions.
Guys, Guys...
calm down. Everything will be better when the Chiefs draft Suh and we become a better team. We will be in better moods. Until then we have to be patient with each other.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Feb 20, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
easy bud
Just trying to say that if our front office likes a player and we have an opportunity to get him. There could be scenarios that we go up and get him. Never say never and guys will jump all over the board in the next few months
Not trying to be disrespectful but there are always exceptions.
But for the record I do agree that we should not give up picks to move up.
by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2010 6:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, what projected Top-5 is there we want?
Dorsey and Jackson on the Ends, unless you move Dorsey inside but the organization has already moved him away from there.
That leaves McCoy (?? but i doubt it) and Suh, with the QB’s being a NO.
Suh
McCoy
Clausen
Bradford
Berry
McClain
If all are gone but the QB’s, then KC is primed to trade down for SOMETHING and still have all OL if they want to stay. Lets face it KC is perfect right in front of Seattle and Washington where they can play other teams to trade for the QB of their choice.
I don't get...
that everyone says both QBs need to be there for us to trade down. Wouldn’t it make more sense if only one (Bradford or Claussen) was there when we pick at 5? I’m not trying to be a dick its that I’m trying to wrap my head around the fact that both QBs have to be there for a big trade down possibility.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Feb 20, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
yes and no i think
Certain teams may want one guy but not the other and it depends who is available. I would be very surprised to see wash take a qb. Not a great situation for a qb to walk into with a bad line and no running game.
by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2010 6:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Shanahan will be held to a high standard (almost unrealistic) by Dan Snyder
IMO that Snyder is going to blow a wad this year. Maybe one wad will be on a QB like maybe Favre? else a proven guy like if it wasn’t Philly McNabb
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
agree about the standard
Big risk to take a qb in your first draft when there are many other problems.
by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2010 7:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The thing is...
it is extremely hard to get your hands on a top tier QB unless you are drafting very high. This is why I think St. Louis and Washington will both end up taking a QB. The same conversation was going on two years ago with Atanta. Everyone thought they would go Dorsey, but they went with a guy who threw 20 picks in college. If they would have drafted Dorsey they would still be in the gutter right now. Suh isn’t going to magically turn St. Louis around, but Claussen or Bradford could. I think they are both better prospects coming out of college than Ryan, Flaco, Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Feb 21, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
And St. Louis Doesn't Have A Bad O-Line Anymore
So drafting Sam Bradford or Jimmy Claussen would make sense. They’re pretty much set at four line positions (both tackle spots, center and left guard) so they wouldn’t be completely throwing Bradford or Claussen to the wolves if they started early, which the acquisition of Josh Johnson could put off for a little bit.
Essentially, if the Rams trade down they’re getting (at last report) a third round pick and Josh Johnson so that they can save money on the guy they were probably going to draft anyway. It’s a great deal for the Rams if they can pull it off, and not too bad for the Bucs (who’ll get the DT they really want).
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I just think that Shannahan's putting all his eggs in the basket if he takes a QB
And the situation doesn’t look good for a rookie to step in and be successful. And with Snyder looking over his shoulder, do you think that team (and owner) have the patience to watch their young QB struggle for a couple of years?
i_bleed_red makes a good point
to many teams one left means that they HAVE to move ahead bc the other will NOT fall out of the top 10…
However both on the board means that whoever wants to have their pick of QB can.
Try to help wrap your head around it…
Scenario:
If Buffalo likes Clausen but not Bradford, and Rams took Clausen already, they might not be willing to take Bradford, and wont trade. But if BOTH are there, they jump ahead of Seattle to take their guy.
But I do like your point. Maybe one left creates that urgency for a team to pull a Jets and trade most of the draft for their QB…knowing that there isnt much to pick from after that…
Sanchez did go 5 last year…
What we need is St.Louis or Washington to take a QB, But only one of them, so that someone else gets antsy and trades up to 5 to get the other Top QB
Plain and Simple 11 million for 1 great player , 1 good players and 1 average player is better than 11 million for 1 great player
at #5 with both available is probably best
Who knows what Seattle, Cleveland and the Bills favor. We know they need QB’s. If both are available Seattle might swap spots if we announce an intention to trade down.
Seattle would give us a 4th
Cleveland would give us a 3rd
Buffalo would give us a 3rd and maybe a 4th
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Say Clausen is the guy Cleveland and Buffalo want
if Seattle picks him they don’t care anymore
Quarterback – If the Rams foolishly pass on Jimmy Clausen, there’s a great chance either he or Sam Bradford will be available. If so, Seattle will go in that direction. Also, don’t count out the Seahawks leapfrogging the Redskins to get Bradford at No. 3.
1. Quarterback – Like the Seahawks, the Browns are a candidate to trade up for a quarterback. Moving from No. 7 to No. 3 may be difficult, but Cleveland could definitely go up two spots if the Redskins pass on Sam Bradford. All that would cost the Browns is a third-round pick, and they conveniently have two of those.
1. Quarterback – The Bills have nothing at the quarterback position and the new regime would love to get its own guy. Moving up from No. 9 to 3 is impossible (unless Eric Mangini is involved), but shifting from No. 9 to 5 would require Buffalo to surrender its second-round pick. If the Redskins pass on Sam Bradford, this is a major possibility.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
exactly so if the rams take Clausen,
then Bradford will be availble for Cleveland and Buffalo at number 5, if Clausen and Bradford are there at 5 maybe Cleveland waits because they are at 7. Buffalo is the Wild Card at the 9 Spot, they would be the ones looking to get ahead of both Seattle and Cleveland, but they also may gamble and wait if they think Cleveland is not looking for a QB.
the trick is we want competition for our 5 pick so we can a deal like cleveland got last year for there 5 spot. with Only Bradford or Clausen there at 5 it will most likely lessen our trading options. Other teams to look for are Jacksonville at 10 and the 49ers at 13.
Jax and SF aren't looking QB's
unless Jax thinks Teboe is a QB
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
2nd round
not 1st round
Damn if SF wanted to they could swap both picks for the Rams pick :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Jax doesn't even want a QB
just Tebow for Butts in the seats in Jacksonville.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
SF is looking for an OT
…like R Okung? SF’s 2 #1’s = Our #1 & 2b. Jus sayin’
I personally dont want either QB to be there.
If the Qbs are gone, that would leave Suh, McClain, Berry, or Okung minus one. Of course I dont know which one, but we would have almost free reign of choosing which player we want out of the actual players we need. I think we have a chance at Suh. We got Dorsey, and he was said to be the highest rated player on just about everyone’s board.
Suh is going to Rams
if they pass to Detroit
if they pass to Tampa
if we want him we need to move up. Suh could be that NT we want very badly
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Drafttek mocked this trade
TB and St. Louis trade what if
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
Nosir. I don't like it.
It would be best if both quarterbacks were still there at 5 because nowadays teams don’t settle for just any highly rated quarterback. Not since Manning/Leaf. They pick their guy and go after him. So, having two very different quarterbacks available would give KC more potential trade partners instead of less.
The path to Victory is made of losers.
Have suspended comment on KC drafting Suh
And playing him at Nose (which I think is ridiculous, Just my opinion), because it’s nearly impossible to imagine without a trade up, But, I think there are a couple of scenarios…Trade Dorsey & our #1 to Rams for their number one AND high pick this/next season, plus late middle round this/next Season, Or same thing with Detroit if Rams go after Clausen. Whichever team would do this deal would get a proven NFL player lineman that could “move to his natural position” and address their Real Need (Rams QB/Lions OT) with the #5 pick.
I’m not advocating it, though I am a big fan of Suh.
We don't need to trade Dorsey to utilize Suh
from www.drafttek.com
OK, so where do the 2010 prospects fit? Although some draft pundits have Gerald McCoy closing the gap on Nebraska’s Ndamukong Suh (6’4", 302 lbs) as the #1 prospect, I do not. Do you remember the joke "Where does an 800 pound gorilla sleep? Anywhere he wants to!" – well, Mr. Suh has the ability to play either 4-3 DT position, 3-4 DE and also 3-4 NT. A few years ago, I would have been hesitant to "waste his talent" at nose tackle; however, Jay Ratliff has proven that impact players can make an impact from any position. Suh is not only a powerfully built man with the lower body to anchor his position, but also possesses excellent agility from years of playing soccer. Although McCoy is considered the quicker of the two, Suh’s time in the forty yard dash is faster.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Ideally TB would trade up and St. Louis can draft their QB before Washington
But maybe the Rams don’t care which of Bradford and Clausen and The Chiefs are ahead of Seattle. Trading up is just as much about trading down as there is.
The Chiefs should not trade down past Denver. Why, We might want McClain and so do they :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Whenever it comes to the elite player
we “pass” on, I hope the Chief’s can channel him away from division rivals. Hope Jax wins the coin toss and Denver takes Dez Bryant (since they’ve decided to get rid of Marshall).
I'm pretty sure we need to trade Dorsey
in order to draft Suh. Either that or gut this year’s draft. "A few years ago, I would have been hesitant to “waste his talent” at nose tackle; however, Jay Ratliff has proven that impact players can make an impact from any position." It’s not a question of “wasting his talent” but leveraging his talent…which is at DE.
I don't think SUH is a DE, if he was he wouldn't have played DT for Pelini....
….Could he play DE? Sure but it would be a waste. SUH is a DT and relized his most potential when paired 2 years ago with a very capable Ty Steinkuler and then exploded last year next to “the next monster in the middle” Jared Crick, who IS a stud. If you put SUH outside I think you take away some of his most valuable assets, his ability to put pressure on the QB from straight up the gut and how he swats passes down at the line of scrimage. I’ve never seen a guy that is able to get in the air so quick from an attacking stance. SUH could play NT in the 3-4 based on his ability to shed blockers and create chaos which would command double teams. 3-4 or 4-3, I would never move SUH out of the middle. I personally think his talent would be wasted at DE.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
by BigRedChief on Feb 21, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Im excited.
We have several holes that could be filled with talented players. But who knows. You know what I would really like? For us to get Berry, and then get a serious and focused Cody. No one is taking Cody seriously. When he is in there, he is a monster NT. A few seasons in Haley’s fat camp, and who knows?
Not a good move on Rams part..
Why would you make a move like this one and miss out on the best defense lineman in recent draft history for anpther draft pick and a back up QB.
Quantity does not always equal Quality.
by NFL season ticket holder on Feb 20, 2010 10:48 PM CST reply actions
This is the best case......
Down to #9 with Buafflo get back #41, then down to #12 and get #72 also have to give Miami our #144. Send Dj off to Detriot for their 3rd.
1- Rams-Suh
2- Lions- McCoy
3- Buc’s- Berry
4- Skins- Okung
5- (From KC) Bills- Clausen
6- Hawks- CJ Spiller
7- Browns- Bradford
8- Raiders- Bulaga
9- (From KC) Fins-McClain
10- Denver- Hadan
11- Jags- Dez Bryant
12- Chiefs- NT Dan Williams
We draft:
R1 #12 NT Dan Williams-Tennesse
R2 #36 LB Brandon Spikes-Florida
R2 #41 CB Kyle Wilson- Boise State
R2 #51 G Mike johnson-Alabama
R3 #66 C J. D. Walton-Baylor
R3 #68 OT Jason Fox-Miami
R3 #73 LB Koa Misi-Utah
R4 #99 RB Ben Tate-Auburn
R5 #132 WR Eric Decker- Minnesota
R5 #138 LB Micah Johnson-Kentucky
Looks cool, but
I don’t like Tate or Decker in there. We have too many holes and too many RBs to use a 4th on another RB, and we already have a big, athletic, slow WR. I’d rather see a Jacoby Ford and a TJ Ward or Myron Rolle at those spots. Long as we’re dreaming :)
The path to Victory is made of losers.
No trading up!
We can trade down and collect more picks (you know we need them) or stay at 5 and get our stud. Trading up (and giving up picks) will do more harm than good. The Don doesn’t seem much like a trade up kinda guy.
Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain
If The Rams Trade Down
I suspect they’ll end up taking a QB, even if they acquire Josh Johnson. Johnson is a placeholder, not a guy you want to turn the franchise over to. Johnson’s better than what they have on-hand, but Bradford or Claussen are probably not worth top pick dollars, the Rams won’t want to throw either of them out there too early (like the Lions did with Stafford) and this solves both of those issues. I could see this tradeup happening relatively cheaply as well (Johnson and a 2nd rounder for a pick swap) to allow the Bucs to get the DT they prefer. Rams could likely pick anyone out of the top three and it would fill a hole for them.
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We are very good at trading down
That’s how we got Larry Johnson and let the Steelers take Polomalu. And we traded down and got Siavii.
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