Was the 2008 Draft the best draft in recent Chiefs History?
by JC25FoMVP on Feb 20, 2010 9:47 AM CST
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Our top defensive player, Brandon Flowers came out of that draft. Our top offensive player, Jamaal Charles came out of that draft. Our best D Lineman since Jared Allen, (Glenn Dorsey) came out of that draft. Our top offensive lineman (Branden Albert), came out of that draft. These players all have the potential to be pro bowlers and have grown fast in 2 years. Along with Brandon Carr whom i think will end up having a great career as a nickel conerback but not a starter.
I think Carl Peterson and Herm didn't get the credit they deserved for this draft. Without these picks, i think the Chiefs could have easily gone 0-16. If you take away Dwayne Bowe and the notable 2008 picks, you have no franchise. I think since Pioli has come in, we've been so focused on what our GM has done, and not what hes doing. I can't see any player of the 2009 draft making an impact on the team besides Succop. Along with the fact that we payed a early second round caliber DE, a top 3 pick contract. All of the success of the 2009-10 season came from the 2008 draft. Yes, bringing in Cassell was huge for the Chiefs along with Chambers. But I really want to see Pioli step it up this offseason.
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That was a deep draft
Last year, not so much. This year is very deep. We should come out with a few starters and plenty of depth along with some key special teamers.
Very important draft for our franchise going forward.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 20, 2010 10:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions
yeah but
with that logic no one had a good draft(didnt happen) and everyone would have cut half of there draft class before/during the season(also didnt happen). hefinately not off the bandwagon with pioli but i was definately not impressed with the first season draft. to many reaches(jackson, lawrence, williams??(rb)) and no production other then a late season jackson and succop. hopefully we dont reach as much and just go bpa. coughberrycough
Tyson Jackson can be a good player.
Don’t forget he was a rookie defensive lineman, and just like Glenn Dorsey the season before him. He struggled in a major way. There’s no possible way to know how good or bad Tyson Jackson, and Alex Magee will be throughout their time in Kansas City at this point in time. Just way too early.
I'm
sorry, but Glenn Dorsey and Branden Albert still aren’t good players. I know a lot of us are Chiefs biased, but they aren’t.
They aren't good players? As in they are average at best? I tend to put players in 3 tiers:
Great/Elite
Good/Above Average
Depth/Average or Servicable
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
by BigRedChief on Feb 20, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
I would
Not agree with that statement. Honestly, most of the other football sites out there are biased against the Chiefs because we aren’t the sure bet team the way that the Colts or Patriots are. I think that Glenn Dorsey has played beyond expectations of him, And Branden Albert hasn’t had the oppertunity to play with a line that had more holes than a sieve. Can’t judge them too much at this point.
by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 20, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
You could easily argue only average players at this point in time.
But you have admit that they are vastly better than when they enter the league. They are still young, and years 3-4 are usually the breakout years. The jury is still out on the majority of the 2008 class.
by ChiefsFan90s on Feb 20, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'm gonna make a plea to Joel and Chris to grant LJ27foMVP a change of his screen name...
Surely he has no love for LJ left. His profile pic is now of JC and all I ask for is a subtle change….. like JC25foMVP. That or change it to the sarcasm font:
LJ27foMVP
Can I get a second to this plea?
(Unless he loves this name, then disregard this comment)
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
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by Chris Thorman on Feb 20, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Thankyou Chris, it's not my problem but now (if he wants) he can change it.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
by BigRedChief on Feb 20, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
1996
Such short memories around here. In 1996 we took:
1st) Jerome Woods
2nd) Reggie Tongue
3rd) John Browning
4th) Donnie Edwards
5th) Joe Horn
7th) Jeff Smith
And we didn’t even have to give up the best DE in football to aquire extra picks. 2008 can’t touch this draft.
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by KCSatchmo on Feb 20, 2010 12:07 PM CST reply actions
1,2,and 4....that's it
Joe Horn blossomed elsewhere.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 20, 2010 12:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why such hate on Carr?
He’d start for most NFL teams. Only the best secondaries in the league wouldn’t take him.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
He's not that good.
We had the 31st ranked pass D last year. Everyone takes blame for that.
By that logic, Brandon Flowers is terrible, too.
22 sacks means QBs have all day to throw. Terrible safeties mean he has no help to the inside. And TE scorched our LB’s the whole year.
He’s a good CB. He’s got no help. He lets guys catch the short passes in front of him more often than I’d like, but down the field in man coverage, he’s pretty darn good.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Yeah well
maybe he’s just not that good. Maybe we’re biased as we’re chiefs fans. Revis and Ashmogua don’t have much help either yet both teams have strong pass defenses.
Brandon Flowers
Had pretty close to the same stats as Revis. Plus Flowers was playing hurt.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 20, 2010 1:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
When
are people just going to admit that we’re just not that good and need help everywhere. If we really had good players, they would make the players around them better. They wouldn’t need a “playmaking safety” or “nose tackle” for them to achieve their potential. That just basically means they are just not that good.
We're not that good. We need help everywhere.
I just don’t see CB as one of the gaping black holes on the team right now.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
But I like
the idea of drafting potentially a shutdown corner ala Joe Haden to go with our good CB but a little undersized and a little slower than elite CBS ala Brandon Flowers to give our team a strength.
I get that, but the reason we're a 31st ranked defense isn't just on our CB's.
We suck against the run. We suck against the short and long post pass. There are trouble spots through the middle of the D.
IF a guy like Haden translates into a shutdown corner, which there are absolutely no guarantees, and IF we have one of the better shutdown tandems in the league, we’ll still be weak against the run and the middle of the field passes. Teams can gameplan around it.
Revis is a helluva corner, but their run D is also excellent, and Bart Scott, Kerry Rhodes, and David Harris are strong against the middle of the field pass. That’s why they were so good this year…because teams couldn’t really exploit specific parts of their defense.
Our overall defense can improve with upgrades through the middle. We’re not going to be a top 10 defense for awhile, so why not fill some gaps and try to make it a mediocre one as quick as we can?
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
so you think by drafting Haden he will make our entire defense good
wow so I guess we dont need to waste our other picks on any other defensive players, we can go all offense this year
Of course we need help everywhere but....
….that’s not realistic wilson. We can only improve those areas that a current drastic need problems. When are you going admit that this team has some good players and some “good enough” players? Stop tearing down the few decent building blocks to this teams foundation and start focusing on the blocks that can make it solid as a whole.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
Its pretty simple
I’ll admit it when we don’t have the 31st ranked D in the NFL. I like Hali as a second pass rusher but we still need someone on the other side who can get 12-14 sacks a year. I like Flowers as a second CB but we still need a shutdown CB who is bigger and faster. Everyone else on the D is replaceable right noe, meaning they are performing at a replacement or below replacement NFL level. I’m s
orry
but thats just the way it is right now. And I am a Chiefs fan, but I try to look at things from an unbiased point of view which most people here don’t here and I understand that.
What you seem to be forgetting
is that football is a TEAM sport. Having a good/great D isn’t about having 11 pro bowlers on the field at all times, it’s about having the right components and supporting casts to allow guys like Flowers and Tamba to be more productive than they have been.
I don’t care how tall you plan to build your skyscraper, if you build it on quicksand it’s still going to fall down. The foundation of our D (ie: DL and MLBs) doesn’t have to be built on hall of famers, though it would be nice, but it sure as hell needs to at least be built on guys that perform in the top 3rd of the league and right now, we’re missing a NT, MLB and S that can perform at or above that level. Adding a high-end NT would boost Tamba’s sack opportunities immensely and would allow our MLBs to stuff holes rather than get eaten by C/Gs in the 2nd level, and would help our CBs out a lot by cutting the QBs time to survey the field in half, if not more.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Agreed.
Very True. The middle of our D line looks like awful. Ron Edwards is terrible, We need a proper run stuffing MLB in the middle, and, we need a proper SS. Those three things would make our Defense look a lot better. If we can stop the run and get pressure, our Pass Defense gets better too. Our Corners can’t be expected to intercept every pass thrown their way. They had no help from the LB’ers or the Safeties. If a QB has all day to throw, then coverage breaks down. It all starts with the LB and D line.
by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 20, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't matter.
We’re all going to be on here a year from now after another below .500 season saying that next year Dorsey is going to break out and that T-Jack is going to break out next year and that next year will be Cassell’s year and that Eric Berry, if he had better CB play, would be the safety we thought he was going to be when we drafted him.
so your solution is to draft Haden
he will solve all our defensive needs by himself, it is known that Dlinemen take 2-3 years to be good in the NFL, how about we give them some time to show what they can do
Brian Orakpo plays LB now.
Your blatant negativity is making it very difficult to have a reasonable discussion about this.
Agree to disagree all you want, but saying specific players are definitely going to suck already is incredibly pessimistic. Saying Haden is a good option is a fine argument to make, but claiming that TJ, Dorsey, Cassel, etc are going to suck because we didn’t pick him up is an unreasonable argument.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
This is the same guy who was just fawning over Curry constantly.
Then at the end of the season he looked at his stats and realized he was average at best. He’s gone on to fawning over Orakpo now. Cushing is next, followed by Matthews.
Ok
how much do you want to bet that the Chiefs aren’t even 8-8 next year? I bet you wouldn’t bet on that.
No, I won't.
And I didn’t say that. Read again:
Agree to disagree all you want, but saying specific players are definitely going to suck already is incredibly pessimistic. Saying Haden is a good option is a fine argument to make, but claiming that TJ, Dorsey, Cassel, etc are going to suck because we didn’t pick him up is an unreasonable argument.
My problem is you already spelling the fates of specific players before they’ve even played a snap.
You think I’m wearing red-colored glasses here. I’m not. I’m just pointing out the specific areas we suck MOST. You’ve taken that as being “biased” and attacked players.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Again.
That sounds rather Fatalistic. You make it sound that unless we completely revamp the Defense right now we’re going to suck. Seriously, man, where do you get your information? Madden ratings? Seriously, name ONE D lineman that was a pro bowler his rookie year. One. From your perspective, the only way we’ll ever win a superbowl is to have the All Madden team. Did the fact that our Defense which was porous against the run was damn near swiss cheese without Glenn Dorsey? T-Jax needs time to develop to NFL caliber (Like Any D lineman) Gods, Even John Randle had to settle in his first couple of years. So did Warren Sapp. I know, let’s just throw away the farm and go get Peyton Manning or Drew Brees to QB for us, We’ll conjure the ghost of Derrick Thomas to play LB, We’ll magically heal Priest Holmes legs and neck, Make Willie Roaf ten years younger and come back to play for us, We can by same magic make Jerry Rice 25 again and sign him to play wide reciever, and we can do the same thing to get Deion Sanders. Then, for his impudence, we can go and punch god in the face, drink a tall glass of Kool-Aid, and COME BACK TO FREAKIN’ REALITY, MAN!!!!!
by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 21, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Seems
Rather Fatalistic, don’t you think?
by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 20, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
The Jets had the #1 defense in the NFL.
Not sure how that’s “no help”.
And according to your profootballfocus website, Asomugha was the 17th rated CB. Same website, only the Chiefs have two CB’s ranked in the top 25 that were starters all year. Only CLE has two that took over 500 snaps that fall in that classification. With Carr as the 25th ranked CB, with plenty in front of him that didn’t have near the snaps that he did, that’s gotta mean he’s better than most, right?
Now, I don’t really like that website, but since you used it earlier, I’ll use it now. =)
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Unpossible.
You can only use Chiefs stats in a negative way, never positively. You broke da rules
did you seriously just say Revis has no help
so your saying that he single handally made the Jets defense #1 overall, wow he must be the best player to ever play football if thats the case, so hes able to pressure the qb and still get back into coverage on the wr’s, Im sorry but I have to ask is there anyone on the Chiefs team that you like because it seems like you bash on every player
Seriously
Realism is not a synonym for pessimism. Somebody get the OP a dictionary.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Wilson123....
Revis doesn’t have the best backing with shephard and what ever their LCB’s name is, but he has a thing the Chiefs don’t………..a pass rush. Which is huge!
The Raiders have a better pass rush than the Chiefs and Chris Johnson is one of the top #2 cb’s in the league. Would Chris Johnson let Jabar Gaffeney nearly break the reception record and rec. for over 200 yards?
Thats why we need to look at Leigh Bodden, at Antoine Winfield, and Daunta Robinson
As soon as you called Tyson
a “2nd round caliber DE” I started laughing.
DL take an average of 3 seasons to reach their potential in the NFL. Even coming into that draft he was rated in the 7-15 range by most draftniks. Just because you wanted somebody else, don’t understand rookie progression, or are simply hating on Jackson because you’re a ‘Bama fan doesn’t mean Tyson is going to be any less of an anchor once he fully matures.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
T Jax was the worst 3-4 DE in the league last year...
According to profootballfocus.com . and if you watched the Chiefs that shouldnt be a suprise…yes it takes more than a year, but is it too much to expect our #3 overall pick be better than the worst in his position?
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Which stat did they base that on?
The LB’s choosing the wrong holes when he occupied multiple blockers or having to cover when Ron Edwards let guys slide?
Look at their chart…a prime factor in how they figure ratings is the ability to pass cover. They also factor their pass rushing ability into the equation. The way we ran our defense last year was not conducive to those stats, and due to the nature of our run pursuit, TJ also got supremely penalized in run defense as well.
Yes, the beginning of the season wasn’t good, but he did his job effectively the last half of the season. Just because he didn’t rack up the sacks and tackles doesn’t mean that he didn’t do what the game plan entailed. Blame Clancy for his PFF rating if you must.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
You can make whatever excuse you want...
Or blame whatever former coach you want, but you aren’t going to convince me he didn’t have a very dissapointing rookie season. Facts are facts.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know what you expected.
He’s not Richard Seymour, so the sack machine label hopefully was never there. I never expected it because that’s not what he was in college. He was used as an OL eater on most plays and taken out on passing downs.
17th in tackles out of all 3-4 DE’s (Dorsey was 3rd)
9th in batted passes out of all 3-4 DE’s (tied with Dorsey)
That site also has Wallace Gilberry rated above Dorsey because he had 6 sacks. Gilberry only had 4.5, and really rarely played in a 3-4…that was our 2-5 nickel package.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Yeah...
we need T-Jax to be Ty Warren, not Richard Seymour. Hopefully Dorsey or who the the hell knows (Suh?) could fill that role.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Feb 20, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Another Point.
Just because they had a good draft year, I hardly think that’s reason to absolve Herm and Carl of Terrible game management (For which Herm was Guilty) and 20 years of “The Five Year Plan.” From Carl. One good draft couldn’t possibly make up for that. If they’d had three full years of awesome drafting, then I might have a more forgiving eye.
by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 20, 2010 3:25 PM CST reply actions
And no one double teamed Jackson. If i got a nickel for every time he was pancaked i'd be rich
People focused on Hali blitzing and Dorsey and even Mays and Vrabel when blitzing before Jackson when he blitzed. He had more single blocking then anyone else on the Chiefs.
Completely false.
Re-watch the games, he did it all the time after the Jacksonville game (his turning point).
As a matter of fact, example #2 in THIS. Was more the norm than not in the second half of the year.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
DAMN YOU, KALO!!!
don’t bring logic and facts to this party!
by bansky on Feb 20, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the reason I come to the site
People who aren’t just spinning their wheels. They back up their thoughts with facts and in a very detailed fashion show everyone else what they are explaining. Well done.
the Chiefs "Class of 2008" was AWESOME ... and for that you can say THANK YOU to ... Herm Edwards
oh hell yeah!
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
No.
I won’t. Germ Edwards is a blight on Humanity and should have been ridden out of town on a rail much like Lin Elliot was. In fact, Herm makes it possible for me to forgive ’Ol Lin.
by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 21, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
a blight on humanity? my goodness, you can spout off terms without making a case pretty well, can't you
that’s what we call sophomoric insults … low class, IMNSHO, insignificant and says a lot (and not good at that) about your ability to debate on an intelligent level … you don’t like Edwards? fine, make a case, use some logic … name calling is so 3rd grade, don’t you think?
I’m fine with you disagreeing (I like Edwards, as do a lot of people) but don’t go slamming in the way you do … make a point or don’’t bother, please
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
upamtn you're a doodie face and I'm gonna take your Pokeman cards at recess.
Point made.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
I don't NEED
to make a case. Herm made his own case with the way he drove a playoff contending team into the ground. There are so many stunning examples of how bad a coach Herm Edwards was that I could throw a rock at his entire tenure and hit one. You need examples? How about his entire career as a Chiefs coach. The only good thing that he’s “Credited” for was the 2008 draft, which was more Carl Peterson anyway, because…drum roll please….THAT’S THE GM’S JOB. As for how I slam Herm Edwards, Honestly, what do you care? That’s the beauty of the internet. Complete anonimity. I’ve made plenty of posts in the past about Herm’s lack of coaching ability. Such as How every team he took to the playoffs were the result of superior coaches drafts and building methods. (I.E. the Jets and the Chiefs) Don’t get me wrong, yeah, we were going to fail before long because of age, But Edwards sped up the process considerably by mismanaging the clock, mismanaging his players, mismanaging his coaches. Come on, Throwing a rookie Offensive Coordinator under the bus because he’s the face of the offense when Herm constantly overrode his descisions? Yeah, that was really smart of him. How about “Playing To Win The Game.” It was laughable, at best, and insulting to watch at worst. There IS no defense for a guy who did such a laughable job. If I had performed at the level he did in any other job, threw other people under the bus the way he did, I’d have been fired. There’s no logical argument that exsists to say “Herm Edwards was a good coach.” Because there isn’t evidence to back it up. Was he a players coach, yeah. Did his team respect him, No. The players had no faith in him, the office had no faith in him, the fans had no faith in him. His scheme failed on every possible level. 31’s in the league on Defense. I also believe that we were damn near last on offense as well. You think my insults are sophmoric? Well, Guy, I can tell you that I heard a lot worse being yelled about him at 1 Arrowhead drive when he was coaching, believe you me.
by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 21, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
see, that's where you;'re wrong ... blaming Herm for the age issue
Herm inherited an old team and Carl insisted on allowing it to get older still, bring in over the hill vets the way Pioli brought in some washed up players THIS year
it wasn’t til Herm’s 3rd year (2008) that Herm got Clark to agree to build thru the draft and Clark told Carl that was it … had it not been for Herm’s insistence on STARTING a rebuild THEN, this team would be in even MORE of a mess than it is …
you want laughable? how about Pioli buying into Larry Johnson’s prima donna good little boy BS, or Haley’s in-your-face screaming and depth chart changing as “motivation” … yeah, right
or throwing one of the most respected OC’s in the business, Chan Gailey, under the bus, and doing it 2 weeks before the season opener, meaning the players had an entirely new playbook and scheme to learn … everything new
laughable? how about charging the fans a full ticket price for what amounted to no more than an “evaluation season” of tryouts for NEXT year … well, you might laugh, personally I think it’s disgusting
had Herm stayed we MIGHT have made the playoffs THIS year, and I guarantee you we’d have been as good OR BETTER than the 4-12 clusterphuque that was the 2009 season
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
you seriously think that we would have made the playoffs this year with Herm
he won us 2 games last year, this year we won 4, not bad for an evaluation year, and if not for a play here and there against us we could have easily won 7-8 games this year, and dont say that with Herm we would have won those games because the guy can not coach, he may be able to spot and draft some talent but the guy can not coach, thats all Im going to say on this issue because Im not getting into another arguement over it
Herm/King Carl brought in the core of this team
while he was here. Lets just take a look at the main Chiefs:
Cassel-Pioli
Charles-Herm
Bowe-Herm
Albert-Herm
Jackson-Pioli
Dorsey-Herm
Flowers-Herm
Carr-Herm
I know he had three years, but most of the guys up there are gunna be here a while. Pioli needs to have a good draft this year, as it will shape us for the future or set us back even further.
Let me be clear.
I never said the 2008 draft was bad. It was the only thing that Herm had a part of that was good. I would have been much more forgiving of Herm if He’d had three years of drafts similar to 2008. Unfortunately, He also drafted some pretty awful players too. Give credit where it’s due completely. My issue with Herm Edwards was more based on his coaching performance than the draft. The two years prior to 08 would have meant a lot more to me if he’d drafted better. Bowe still is having issues. He’s still not where he needs to be. Is he a starting reciever? Sure. Is he a pro bowler yet? well, not yet. I certainly Hope he will be, but, not yet. I still think the jury’s out on Bowe. The amount of dropped passes he had this year says a lot. Hopefully, he’ll step up and actually turn in a better performance this year. 2008 was an anomaly year. While, I can’t stand Herm as a coach, and really disliked the way he threw his players and coaching staff under the bus, the 2008 draft was the one bright spot. But, It can’t be said that the draft alone made him worthy of another shot at head coaching for the Chiefs. I’d rather watch Herm be an analyst on ESPN anyway. He can be a blowhard all day there and be successful.
by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 21, 2010 3:03 PM CST reply actions
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