AP Interview: Wes Bunting Analyzes the Chiefs' Draft Interests, Part Two
Well, if you missed Part One, then you should go back and read it, since National Football Post's Scouting Columnist Wes Bunting gave us some great information on the players competing for the Chiefs #5 overall pick. Here he breaks down some other interests in lower rounds, including some fan favorites from here at AP.
AP: The Chiefs have a couple second round choices and with the way early mock drafts see it, it seems there's going to be some really nice pass rushers sitting in that low first/early second round area. Do you see that same trend?
Wes: Oh, yeah. It's a deep, deep defensive end class, so all of those juniors who came out this year really added a lot of talent. You've got Derrick Morgan, Carlos Dunlap, Everson Griffin and then you keep going down, Brandon Graham from Michigan might look like a first-rounder, but he might be a second round guy. Jason Worilds from Virginia Tech, an undersized defensive end who was asked to play the run a lot this year, but this guy gets after the passer with an explosive first step. He almost looks like a poor man's Dwight Freeney. He's that talented. Jeremy Cunningham from Florida is another talented guy. Jammie Kirlew from Indiana. I mean, you can get pretty good value from defensive end throughout this entire draft class to be honest.
AP: Let's talk some specific players that we've tossed around at Arrowhead Pride. First off, Golden Tate?
Wes: I'm not a big Golden Tate guy. I think he will struggle - as will a bunch of receivers - beating press. I think he reminds me a lot of Mark Clayton from the Ravens, to be honest. He's more suited from the slot. I think he has the ability to create some deep plays, but I just don't see him creating much separation. He's a former running back, so he is good with the ball in his hands. He's just not a dynamic threat. He's not a Percy Harvin type of player. But he definitely grades out as above average from an athletic standpoint, but I just can't see him as a dynamic threat from the outside. He's more of a slot, Mark Clayton type.
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AP: What about Texas WR Jordan Shipley? How does his play translate at the pro level?Wes: I think he's a slot guy. You watch him vs. Oklahoma's Brian Jackson and the guy couldn't get into his routes. He got pressed off the line as well. But if you give him free release from the slot, I think he'll be okay. He's not a Wes Welker. He's not that dynamic. He's more of a Brandon Stokely type receiver. He'll have a solid career in the NFL and move the chains on third down, but if you're looking for a dynamic slot guy, he's not who you want. He's a move the chains type of player.
AP: What about Vladimir Ducasse? Is he too raw or is he really that promising, because it seems these guys are there every year with this prototypical size and strength and yet most just don't pan out?
Wes: The thing is, he's 6'5" and 326 lbs. If he's that raw, you can take him as a guard, let him develop and then if you're hoping he becomes a tackle, you can slowly move him out. I mean, the Ravens did that with Jonathan Ogden. He played guard his first year and then they kicked him out to left tackle and he's one of the best in the history of the game.
Obviously, I'm not comparing their skill sets, but Ducasse does have a great skill set. He's a big guy with a big bubble body who's really physical. It's tough. You can't evaluate the guy really because he's never played against players this good. I think he's got a lot of upside to his game and he could end up developing. He's more a right tackle, I think, not so much of a left tackle. But I do think he's a pretty good guard in the NFL.
AP: The playoffs have definitely shown the value of a shutdown corner like a Darrelle Revis. Is Joe Haden at that level?
Wes: You know, that's like saying, 'Is C.J. Spiller the next Chris Johnson?' These are one-of-a-kind players. It's tough to project Joe Haden as a Revis-type player. Haden closes on the football better than anyone in the entire country. It's not even close. He's a little raw in some things and he took some big steps this year, but he has given up big plays in the past. No, I won't say he's like Revis. But he's a starting cornerback in the NFL that has the physical and athletic skill set to play at a Pro Bowl level. Will he ever get there? That's what he will have to figure out, but he can be a starter and come in early in his career.
AP: Every year, some true surprises come from out of nowhere to be drafted much higher than expected. Do you have a player on your radar that seems a candidate to surprise us on draft day?
Wes: I think Kyle Wilson, the Boise State cornerback, had a heck of a week here in Mobile. And when you look at the cornerback class, there's Joe Haden as the number one guy and then perhaps Earl Thomas or Patrick Robinson or Syd'Quan Thomas or Dominique Franks, but I think Wilson's better than all of them. He came into the Senior Bowl with people thinking he's probably a second or third round guy. He's a little undersized, but I think he could start from Day One or could contribute right away. The second year, he's definitely a starter in the NFL. After what I've seen from Wilson this week, I think he could be a mid-first round or late-first round pick. There will be more than one corner taken in the first round.
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Good stuff
But it sounds to me like he was putting Tate into the bust catagory….that may not sit well with most guys on AP. I’m not a Tate guy…I would rather wait until the 3-5 rd picks to grab that speedster WR like Jacoby Ford. I would also like Blair White after watching him in the Shrine game.
Ducasse will not be a LT in the NFL….Maybe a RT or G….he just doesn’t seem to be dominate enough.
I like Travaris Lindley at CB…he will be a steal if he goes round 3 or 4.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 2, 2010 11:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Lindle had a BAD senior bowl week, by most accounts
Walterfootball even said he seemed “disinterested”, like he wasn’t even competing
I am seeing him in the 5th or 6th round at this point
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
Yeah
But 43 passes defended in 48 career starts speaks for something. 10 career ints…
He had an ankle injury early in the season…may have flared back up in the senior bowl?
I think he could be a steal…was rated as best CB in preseason…so he is good!
I won’t let one performance determine a guys future….even Pioli says these things can’t be more important than a full body of work
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 2, 2010 12:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah Lindley did have a bad week
but Walter Football sucks balls, so I don’t listen to anything they say
There seems to be a trend with the Wr's
Looks like the knock on all of them is physicality in getting off press coverage. Am i mistaken or is this a common thing with most guys?
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not many teams have the cornerbacks to press them. Bump and run is a relic at most colleges.
by tenacious rdc on Feb 2, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Bunting seems really focused on evaluating that aspect
I’ve noticed in pretty much all of his write-ups on WR’s and DB’s. Makes sense, you have to get off the line with timing in order to make a successful route. It has definitely affected my thinking about drafting WR’s, and possibly made me think more about the taller/stronger guys who can avoid getting pushed around by the corners at the line in press coverage.
way cool and thank you for the posts, Matt
so … (1) Okung, (2a) Graham, (2b) Ducasse …
drooling
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Very disappointed if we go LT in the 1st
i’m around 75% positive we move down in the draft and someone moves up to get Bradford.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Feb 2, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
And waters goes where?
I don’t mind one OL in the top 3, but not two. Charles had a good 2nd half of the season because the line was playing well.
Those are three good players that will help though. I just think that with the depth in the draft we can get more help for the overall team by waiting and fixing what is actually broken now. Like the run defense.
he did well in the 2nd half
because he’s a far better “run for your life” player than 2.7 is. was. whatever.
hear a lot about tate, anyone hear much talk about gilyard? dude was everywhere for cincy.
Whatever it was it was working
And for a half a season? Teams had time to game plan and still couldn’t stop us.
agreed
in the top 3 picks one OL is fine to me, I would prefer….none…I like Ocall, and I know Albert/Waters fit somewhere on that line…I just really love the idea of fixing that D, we NEED a NT/ we NEED an ILB, we NEED a top safety….Even Hayden is tempting because gosh wouldnt it be nice to have a revis, but there are some serious needs…This has to be one of the more interesting drafts in years, with the amount of players that we could trade, with the extra picks in the 2nd and 5th rounds…the extra day between certain rounds will give Pioli time to make a move or two or nine.
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson=
You have to read a little Brewsaf once in a while,
the oline started running more zone blocking plays later in the year, which helped the line gell a little. But the fact is the line has one proven player, one “maybe”, and the rest are waiver wire fodder. I wont dismiss the fact that the oline produced in the second half, but really, whoe’s to say that you can’t take anyone off the waiver wire and if he gets enough reps he’ll finally have some good games? That doesn’t cut it. More talented lineman have a steeper learning curve – look at the Jets. AFC championship with a Rookie QB in Sanchez and rookie tailback Shonn Green and Braylon Edwards. $ out of the 5 are 1st round picks, as well as multi-year pro-bowlers.
Keeping the defense off the field helps it as much as anything.
by tenacious rdc on Feb 2, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I also would like a new O-line starter
I’d just prefer to address the interior of the line, and get a guard and/or center with the 2a pick (likely would be one of the top 3-4 interior line guys in the draft at that point, potentially would start as a rookie and contribute).
If it isn't Iupati or Pouncey i would pass with 2a and just grab one in the 3rd hopefully Walton.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
agreed
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
by stagdsp on Feb 2, 2010 2:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Whether you want a LT in round one or not...
If we came away with those 3 players in the first two rounds…you’d have too be really F’ing happy.
I hope we look at Cooper out of Florida or Ford out of Clemson.
I do not have a gut feeling on a tackle at #5. I think they saw progress and look at fixing the line at the C and even G.
agreed, I just see defense first...I cant really see the tackle because hes not considered
to be some TOP tackle prospect, in fact, the knock on him is that he may be more of a guard in the nfl….we don’t need another one of those especially in the top 5…I think we would trade out before we take an OL…but maybe thats just me thinking pioli has some guys in the mid rounds, especially 5, that he will take…Guys like a duke robinson, a carl nicks, these guys have slid every year, sullivan with the vikes.
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson=
also, I may be in the minority here, but I think we already have our RT, and just dont know
what to think about albert, I always said hes a guard…I just have no idea honestly judging an OL is ridiculously hard without knowing all the schemes or its only easy if a guy is getting destroyed consistently(Niswanger)
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson=
rt being ocall, albert being not sure on LT or G
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson=
graham
won’t be around in the second round. Wes told me these things before game-time at the Senior Bowl. But we’ll be checking in with Wes again before the draft, so we will have a big more perspective.
Maurkice Pouncey
Quick note that Wes Bunting also told me there’s no way Maurkice Pouncey lasts past the first round – a la Alex Mack from last year. Expect him to go around pick #20-25
So you are expecting two guards to go top 25 in the draft interesting for sure.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Feb 2, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Well a guard and a center
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Feb 2, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
A 4-12 team should never trade up especially in this deep draft. Sit and take BPA that falls to you.
We have too many needs to give away picks
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Feb 2, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
never say never
I agree with that general principle, but if you believe in a certain guy, you have to make that move.
not sure our GM or coach is a sit back and take it kind of guy
Not that we’ll be reckless. But from what I’ve read our scouts watched Florida, a lot. And if they trade up for Pouncey-I’ll trust that it was the right move. They know the value of their picks.
Last year we heard how this was going to be a deeper draft.
With the chance of a lock out next years draft may not be as deep and we could use picks from then to move up this year.
yeah, how awesome is that extra 2nd right now?
and I admit, I was one that wanted a pick last year, I agreed with taking the 2nd but….Its hard to not want the pick right then….I am so glad…and still believe DJ will net KC a draft pick.
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson=
Feeling a QB falls to us at #5 & that makes it possible for Pioli to trade down.
Then we get a much wider net to cast.
Starting OG can be found in 3-5
Rounds 1-2 Defense, Defense, Offense
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Feb 2, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
I agree, if we move up, it would be in the later rounds, with a pick next year
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson=
Ouch
Then probably looking at a guard in the 2nd round.
If history repeats itself here is my gut feeling.
If Williams has a good combine we will take him. He is flying up lists more than Jackson did last year. I have seen him getting mocked at 10 by some. Several have him going to Denver or Miami. If he shows at the combine he could be our pick.
buffalo needs a qb
trust me i live in bills country they want a qb. and c them as our best trade down scenario.
Wes loses ALL credibility with just one sentence
by saying “He’s just not a dynamic threat” while referring to Golden Tate
um, seriously?
GT is seriously not someone I’m even hoping to get. i certainly believe he has a pro future, but I’m just sort of indifferent about his entire game.
Um Seriously Yes
Regardless of whether anyone wants him as a Chief or not, saying he is not a dynamic player is perhaps one of the most uninformed opinions I have ever heard. Wes obviously did not watch a single game of Tate’s this year or even care enough to look at his numbers. Tate was a threat to go the distance every single time he touched the ball this year, whether that was receiving, rushing, or returning punts. Tate had 18 total touchdowns on the year (15 receiving, 2 rushing, and 1 punt return) while constantly having coverage rolled his way due to the absence of an injured Michael Floyd. He was also the Biletnikoff award winner, but somehow he is not a dynamic threat? Give me a break
by TimGrunhard61 on Feb 2, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Great Interview
Thanks Matt…Really enjoy your writing.
Speaking with Bunting did he give you any ideas about the posibility of a trade down?
by Chiefs n Chopper on Feb 2, 2010 1:09 PM CST reply actions
Scouts
It’s tough to evaluate scouts without a lot of data on past projections.
Bunting I’m sure has done a great job with some guys and a poor job with others.
He may very well be right about Tate…but I remember him saying that LeSean McCoy and Orakpo were going to be busts…I think he’d like that prediction back.
Of course, its unfair to evaluate him on just one player…but if you’re a big Golden Tate fan (I’m pretty neutral) then I wouldn’t worry too much because one ‘scout’ doesn’t like him.
ev
Seems to have such a man crush on Pouncey. Personally I really like jeff byers from usc. I think he’ll be just as good and we can get him with a later pick.

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