How do we go about finding a NT for 2010?
by Larryemcdaniel on Feb 19, 2010 11:31 PM CST
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PrintFirst let me start by saying Ron Edwards is a terrible nose tackle. He has no business starting for any 3-4 team in the NFL. That being said, where do we go from here? With many teams transitioning to the 3-4 defense, and the soon to be CBA problems, how do we acquire a suitable nose tackle? Our nose tackle must posses these qualities:
- The ability to anchor, and take on multiple blockers, so that the ILB's can shoot the running lanes
- Is able to make plays outside of the box. Have enough athletic ability to go from sideline to sideline.
- Can stay on the field. The nose tackle has to have good stamina, and be a every down player. (Of course he'll get rest, from time to time)
- The ability to push the pocket. Doing so disallows the quarterback to step up, in turn, allowing Hali/Vrabel to turn the corner and sack the quarterback.
How should we go about acquiring a nose tackle, and who do we acquire? After the jump, ill list a few viable options.
Ways to fix the nose tackle woes:
- Draft a high round nose tackle to start / Sign a veteran to be the backup
- Draft a late round nose tackle to start / Sign a veteran to be the backup
- Sign a veteran to start / Draft a rookie to in the early rounds to backup
- Sign a veteran to start / Draft a late round rookie to be the backup
- Trade for a premier nose tackle / Draft a rookie in the early rounds to backup
- Trade for a premier nose tackle / Draft a late round rookie to backup
- Sign a veteran and do not draft a rookie nose tackle
- Do not sign a veteran, and draft a rookie
- Roll with Ron Edwards again...
Note: I do realize there are more nose tackles in the draft and free agency. I used Ferguson, Cody, Wilfork, and Torrell as test names, to kinda see what people are thinking about the nose tackle position. If you do not like the options, please feel free to present your own solution to the nose tackle woes.
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I say we construct a 7 foot by 7 foot brick wall with wheels on it.
Then draft the strongest combine performer and have him shove it straight into the backfield every play.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Sounds good but:
Do we:
1) Hire a professional Mason to build the wall?
2) Drive down to home depot and pick up a truckload of illegals to build it?
3) Bring in a concrete truck to deliver the mud for the bricks?
4) Buy some bags of “just add water” mud mix and use the inferior product?
5) Have special bricks made to the exact color of the Chiefs uniform?
6) just buy off the shelf ones that wont really match?
7) Draft a player to push the wall around on the field?
8) Look for the strongest guy in the FA market that can push it?
9) Have our wall play 2 gap responcibility?
10) Just play 1 gap with the wall and let the DE play the other gap?
There’s still a lot to consider here Kalo.. please weigh in ! =P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Feb 20, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Answers:
1) Definitely, gotta stimulate the economy. Contact the local unions.
3) Gotta have good concrete, can’t settle for inferior…I mean, it’s an uncapped year.
5) Again, don’t skimp. And give Mr. Wall jersey number “000”.
7 & 8) Doesn’t matter. Let’s get Tank back and have him shove it.
9) Ideally, the wall plays a THREE gap responsibility!
I mean, this plan is foolproof. Dorsey and T-Jack can be heads up against the tackles, maybe grab the extra TE, and Vrabel/Tamba are free.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I chose trade for Wilfork, and draft a later round rookie (Torrell Troup)
I chose this option because there are very little free agent options at nose tackle. Jason Ferguson will be the only nose tackle that wont be franchised. Also, im not in favor of starting a rookie at nose tackle. We all know that rookie dlinemen take 2-3 years to reach their potential. I think our best bet is to make a trade, and draft a rookie to prep for the future.
by Larryemcdaniel on Feb 19, 2010 11:59 PM CST reply actions
with Pioli and Hoodie being buds
I believe we will have 1st shot at Wilfork and he will be a Chief next year, just like the Cassel trade this past season bring on the big VW
I agree
Lets send a 2011 2nd round pick, and call it a day.
by Larryemcdaniel on Feb 20, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
I just have this nagging feeling that
Pioli will draft Dan Williams in the 1st round. May be 5th overall, or he may trade back to the mid 1st and select him. Just a hunch (hope not though…)
by Larryemcdaniel on Feb 20, 2010 12:14 AM CST reply actions
I wont!
I thought about that too. I could also see him go with JPP, Morgan, or Graham. For some reason, it just doesn’t seem like its gonna be the obvious person (ala last year)
by Larryemcdaniel on Feb 20, 2010 12:20 AM CST reply actions
Cam Thomas with 2a
Jason Ferguson or Aubrayo Franklin out of Free Agency.. problem solved without having to spend too much picks or cash
KRRRAKATAWAA
I mocked you Thomas at 2A and got ripped by the Worlds Smartest Chiefs Fan.
Dar claimed that was a terrible reach. My concern is that Thomas may be taken by the Bills at their second round pick which is between your two picks.
If you want to wait you might [if the Saints don’t grab him] get Troup in the third round.
I believe
they said Franklin will be franchised also
by badassz1987 on Feb 20, 2010 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
Frankling will be franchised...Niners already stated so
And youd want Thomas over Cody? Cody does have the scheme experience, and is a monster run stuffer. Why Thomas?
by Larryemcdaniel on Feb 20, 2010 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
What happens if Feguson decides to retire?
Theres been major speculation about that.
by Larryemcdaniel on Feb 20, 2010 12:29 AM CST reply actions
Are you high?
Is able to make plays outside of the box. Have enough athletic ability to go from sideline to sideline.
NT’s don’t do that and aren’t asked nicely to do it either
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
agreed
I was right about to say..
“so we want super man at NT? The description fits perfectly”
KRRRAKATAWAA
are you serious?
Read the comparison that pioli gave in his Senior Bowl interview, on Wilfork and Cody, and get back to me.
Our NT needs to be able to move laterally and make a move outside the box.
by Larryemcdaniel on Feb 20, 2010 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
according to pioli they do
And i know ive seen kelly greg, nagata, ratliff, wilfork, jenkins, dockett move laterally and make a play. A NT needs to have the ability to push the pocket and move laterally when the offense runs sweeps, tosses, and stretch plays. He doesnt need to move like a DE or OLB, but he does have to have that ability.
by Larryemcdaniel on Feb 20, 2010 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
Its going to be tough
So many 3-4 teams, and this damn CBA has messed everything up. We may not have a productive NT until 2011…thats if there is football in 2011
by Larryemcdaniel on Feb 20, 2010 12:44 AM CST reply actions
I don't think Pioli will go after Dan Williams
I thought this from watching the guy play, and in reading up on him, I am not the only one:
He’s not a 3-4 nose tackle. He’s a 4-3 DT that needs to lose 20 pounds. He’s real athletic for his size, but he can’t hold up against the double team and gets washed out of the play all the time on run plays.
Not really what we are looking for.
by alakan81 on Feb 20, 2010 12:57 AM CST via mobile reply actions
So there are NO 3-4 NT's until Troup or Thomas if then?
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
I believe that Cam Thomas is the best NT in this draft.
And he should be available at 2b. Although he could show that he is the best and push his stock up to the beginning of the second.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Feb 20, 2010 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
We might have too
But we could trade that 2a pick and next years 2 for Wilfork. Maybe
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
Cody, Thomas, and Troup
Are probably about it as far as draftable commodities, it seems like to me.
Then you some long term project possibillities in UDFA guys like Martin Tevesau(sp?) out of UNLV.
by alakan81 on Feb 20, 2010 1:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
thinking outside the box...
what about putting Dorsey (297lbs) @ NT and work Magee into his DE spot?
3-4 DE's are around 300 lbs
Magee is the depth and will play both spots IMO.
We still need a NT and some depth Edwards at present would be the depth.
Now if we get a FA NT I could see trading Edwards to a 4-3 team for a pick to get our NT backup
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 1:31 AM CST up reply actions
If Dorsey were strong enough and added a little weight back
It’s feasible, but it would really not play to his strengths, even less so than where he is now.
He can work a double team, but I don’t think he has that lower body power to hold the line of scrimmage in the middle with consistency.
by alakan81 on Feb 20, 2010 1:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep back to the legs issue Dorsey is better served with the weight down
Better for him and better for the Chiefs both, long term
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 1:34 AM CST up reply actions
Excellent point
I forgot about his leg injury history.
by alakan81 on Feb 20, 2010 1:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Excellent point
I forgot about his leg injury history.
by alakan81 on Feb 20, 2010 1:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wish that was a possibility
Undortunately, Dorsey just isn’t stout enough to play NT. He doesn’t posses the arm length, height, weight, or experience.
by Larryemcdaniel on Feb 20, 2010 9:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do ya'll suppose
the DE spot on the 3-4 suits Dorsey better than the DT spot he was drafted for in the 4-3?
No it doesn't from a player perspective
and from a financial aspect it doesn’t either.
From a team aspect it it is what he is asked to do.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 1:46 AM CST up reply actions
Being drafted is a lot like being sold into slavery
You do have the choice of signing or not.
But you have to do what is asked of you or end your career.
Not to minimize actual lifelong slavery, I would commit suicide over that kinda crap
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
Well, he certainly had huge success in college
As a 4-3 DT and his body type is much more in line for that role, but he seems to be adapting pretty well.
His ceiling is probably higher in a 4-3, but I think we’re going to see just how effective he can be with Crennel as his coach. Might surprise a few folks.
by alakan81 on Feb 20, 2010 1:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed on the above.
Its better to have Dorsey continue to develop in his current role;
and here’s hoping we land Vince…
Question for you guys..
I’m not a huge NCAA fan but I’ve heard lot’s of good things about Cody. When (round) do people think we should draft him?
People keep suggesting
The top of the second round, but I doubt he will be there and he isn’t worth a top five pick.
Maybe if they can trade down in the first.
by alakan81 on Feb 20, 2010 9:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
if hes going in the early second i say pass on him because i really wanna see Spikes and possibly Tate or Shipley or Gilyard get drafted with one of our seconds unless we could trade DJ for a second and then get Cody
We should sign Jason Ferguson in order to save those draft picks
and draft a NT between rounds 1-3, and have him learn the trait from one of the most experienced NTs in the NFL. Than have him take over once Ferguson retires after 2010 or 2011.
I think we could get Wilfork for a 2nd and a 4th
I can’t think of a team that wants Wilfork as bad as we do that would be willing to sacrifice more than that. And with the depth of this draft and how early we pick, those are really like 1st and 3rd rounders.
Or something on that order.
But the Seymour trade suggests Wilfork was the guy they were going to pay.
Look at it from NE's POV
why would they trade him? He’s one of the best in the league, if not the best 3-4 NT and if Brace isn’t ready to step in he is not going anywhere. They will franchise him, even if it pisses him off.
I venture to say that finding a NT
for 2010 is THE Defensive priority! Pioli/Haley/Crenell will make sure we get the right NT for our right 53! :o)
by chiefsfan62 on Feb 20, 2010 10:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The NT position
is the hardest to fill in the 3-4, requiring a selfless space-eater with huge size. Maybe Raji would have been a nice pick last year, there seems to be a flux of 3-4 DE (Wallace Gilberry, anyone?) compared to 3-4 NT. No way Suh falls to 5, if he ever did, we thank our lucky stars and pay the man, and rotate him and Dorsey around NT-DE until something fits. Likely the Chiefs will go ILB or S at 5 to get that one final playmaker on D and either trade into the late first or sit in the second and take a Cam Thomas if he falls or a Williams…Although I hope the 5th pick is a WR/OL…
Actually, Gilberry's a backup/situational guy.
Don’t really see him as a convincing 2-gapper lineman for the base D. I can see him getting some time in the Darren Mickell (The unsung RDE opposite Neil Smith, at one point) spot if, by chance, a Suh fell to the Chiefs before a NT came along. Whatever the commitment to the base 3-4 might be, if Crennel and Pleasant tell Pioli that _McCoy_’s their guy if Suh and Berry are gone, and they have plans for overall O-Line upgrade in 2nd and 3rd..
love the mickell reference!
I meant gilberry in the sense that it seems like there are a lot more players who translate into the 3-4 DE position than in the NT spot. NT is a very hard position to play in the 3-4, so adressing it in the draft is a must, especially early.
We ARE gunna get a NT in the draft-
It just remains to be seen where.
Its simple really.
a) pick up a FA NT/lower round NT.
b) no for FA NT/higher round NT.
FA signing prior to draft will dictate.
by chiefsfan62 on Feb 21, 2010 12:26 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I vote yes on B
Provides immediate starter material, allows for a long term solution, allows young guy to develop and provides immediate depth. Why the hell wouldn’t you do that?
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Third possibility is goin' high and low for NT in draft.
Better odds of getting production fairly soon out of at least one of your draftees, and starts you on a roster-churning process with a couple young players YOU selected.
I think part of a system approach to talent is never sitting still, trying always to multiply the actual number of picks you have in any given year, and going after 2, when everybody outside the organization expects you can just fix everything by drafting a single Golden Tate and expect slot receiver to be fixed (Actually, they probably can, this year, with Lance Long, among others, in the mix).
Long as I’m on WR, I don’t know if anybody noticed, but ALL the WRs started looking quite a bit better once Jamaal was established. Even when they were MISSING some of those completions, you can SEE that there’s a smidge more time for QB and WR to do their thing, and suddenly Pope and Cottam, for example, were looking like very nice options in the passing game.
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