My case for a new #7
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 19, 2010 5:33 PM CST
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You heard me right. I am taking the Dfisr post a little further.
(Im not signing off on this, just making a case)
I propose we draft Jimmy Clausen!
Jimmy Clausen
6'3 223lbs
West Lake Village, California
Lets start out with some stats....
Jimmy Clausen High School stats.
| Games | Rushing | Passing | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Year | TD | PA | PC | Pct | Yds | TD | Int | |
| 2006 (Sr.) | 15 | 7 | 281 | 194 | 69.0 | 3,428 | 49 | 6 |
| 2005 (Jr.) | 13 | - | 233 | 157 | 67.0 | 2,778 | 30 | 5 |
| 2004 (So.) | 14 | - | 330 | 227 | 68.8 | 3,665 | 58 | 6 |
| 2003 (Fr.) | - | - | - | - | - | 863 | 9 | 3 |
Lets keep in mind that Jimmy Clausen was 42-0 in HS. Never lost a game. Jimmy Clausen College stats at Notre Dame.
Year
Team
G
QBRat
Comp
Att
Pct
Yds
Y/A
Yds/G
TD
Int
Rush
Yds
Yds/G
Avg
TD
S
2007
Notre Dame (3-9)
10
69.7
138
245
56.3
1254
5.1
125.4
7
6
62
-187
-18.7
-2.9
2
34
2008
Notre Dame (7-6)
13
85.7
268
440
60.9
3172
7.2
244
25
17
54
-73
-5.6
-1.3
0
21
2009
Notre Dame (6-6)
12
113.3
289
425
68.0
3722
8.8
310.2
28
4
59
-95
-7.9
-1.5
3
24
Career
35
90.6
695
1110
62.0
8148
7.1
232.8
60
27
175
-355
-10.1
-1.8
5
79
As you can see his record doesn't indicate success. My conclusion is that the Notre Dame defense was to blame. They gave up 400yrds a game last season.
Jimmy Clausen was touted to be the best QB to come out of HS in a long time. He is a very accurate QB. Strong arm and can make all the NFL throws.
Charlie Weis knows Clausen's strengths and weaknesses. Jimmy knows Weis' system and could step right in. This would give us our franchise QB for our team that we have never really had. We will not have top 5 picks very often to be in a situation to be able to draft a top tier QB.
Ben Roethlisburger
Ben Roethlisburger
Tom Brady
These are the past winning SB winning QB's. Matt Cassel could not clip these guys toenails. We need that Franchise QB to lead our team to the promise land.
Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis
asked to compare Jimmy Clausen’s progress with former Irish QB Brady Quinn: "Because I have had Jimmy for three years off the field, I think that mentally as far as our system and what we’re doing, I think he’s ahead of Brady. I’m not saying he’s ahead of him physically, I’m saying mentally, because he’s playing at a very, very high level. To have the numbers he has, and the numbers for me are not about yardage. The touchdown-to-interception ratio is one of the ones that we addressed all the way back in training camp, okay, and that number right now is probably the most telling tale that you could have with the production he’s getting. That means that he’s really gone the extra mile to make sure he has a clear understanding where to go with the ball all the time
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What better position to make an immediate impact?
QB is the way to go.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
What do you propose the Chiefs do with Matt Cassel?
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 19, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Easy
Trade to the Donkeys…or the highest bidder.
Cassel could be had for a 2nd or 3rd rounder
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 19, 2010 5:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's not worth a 2nd anymore
He was a 2nd coming off a good season with Vrabel.
He had a bad season, and he’s got a crippling contract.
Buying high and selling low isn’t the best way to manage a team even without a salary cap.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 19, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Damn right.
It’s just like all the other garbage about trading our first rounders for 3rd’s and 4th’s. Get outta here with that nonsense.
Maybe Cassel was a project
He was a project QB that came cheap in the franchise QB sense.
He will probably be replaced in the not too distant future anyways….age and overall talent being the factors.
How often do we get a chance to land a franchise QB?
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 19, 2010 5:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude, this is a terribly wek QB class.
If Sam freaking Bradford of all people is one of the top 2 QB’s then it’s not a good year to draft one. If we have to replace Cassel then do it next year. Get better pieces in place or the next “QBOTF” will just end up an injured wreck because our O-line can’t protect him.
Yes cuz NO QB has ever done anything after he turned 27
I guess nobody has ever heard of Steve Young or Kurt Warner, both of them were the same age as Cassel and neither of them had started a game in the NFL and I would say they turned out to have pretty good careers wouldnt you say
who ever they are
i bet the closest they came to the SB was watching it on NBC
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
...OR maybe he was thrown onto a shitty team with NO offensive line. Stick to pop warner analytics dude.
I like how everyone thinks Cassel is some kind of contractual bust because the entire team sucked. Man up and fix this offensive line and maybe he can actually take a snap without being boned in his ass when Brandon Albert and company doesn’t block..
I thought you wanted McClain?
Now you want Clausen? Who ya gonna want tomorrow?
No don't get me wrong
I do want McClain! Just for the sake of “what if” I made a case for Clausen.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 19, 2010 5:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We need to keep our eyes peeled
We are in need of a lot of stuff. Everyone says QB and LT are biggest values at the top. So Pioli could take a guy that knows the system and knows the OC.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 19, 2010 5:45 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I appreciate you thinking "outside the box"
I just think this would be a mistake. See what Cassel does this year with a better Oline, 16 games with JC and consistant WR play. If he struggles again, lets go get Jake Locker next year.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 19, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Eyes peeled, exactly what we need to do, we need to make sure we have plenty of options from trading down to drafting a QB. I see what you mean, you never know who the next Manning, or Brady could be. I think we need to explore every option possible.
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
Alright I gotta ask
Are you Matt Cassel?
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 19, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Look
At the list of SB winning QB’s!! It’s common sense. You can’t win without a true franchise QB.
Like you said Craig. This isn’t 2000 anymore….you can’t win with a big back and the best defense. The is a QB league now. Either get a Franchise QB or talk about next year, every year.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 19, 2010 5:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I agree, a franchise QB is paramount to a SB title.
I’m just not convinced that Clausen is that guy.
The only ND game I watched in the last 2 years is them losing to the Naval accademy. I’m pretty sure no SB winning QB’s have ever lost to Navy…just sayin’
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 19, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
One of them won there though (Staubach)
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
Defense
ND had a terrible defense….gave up 400yrds a game. Clausen was pretty spot on every game
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 19, 2010 5:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
See this is whats funny to me
when you guys talk about how Clausen couldnt win at ND its cuz of how bad their defense was but when you talk about Cassel not being able to win last year it was all his fault and had nothing to do with our terrible defense
How many points did he put up?
I’m not saying the guy isn’t a decent QB, Clausen just has the potential to be better than him real quick.
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
Clausen also has the potential to be a bigger bust that Ryan Leaf.
Real quick, I might add.
i see Jeff George when i look at this kid
he’s going to see some success, but, that ten cent head and billion dollar ego is going to piss off a lot of decision makers.
he’s going to be a journeyman.
I was at Notre Dame vs. Michigan at the Big House this year
What struck me about Clausen was how often he threw a bad ball in that game if he was so much as breathed on. Yes, the offense put up a lot of points that game, but a good chunk of that was Golden Tate bailing Clausen out against Michigan’s bad #2 corner – I don’t think Clausen challenged Donovan Warren very much in that game. Clausen wasn’t able to lead a drive at the end to ice the game, and speaking as a Michigan student and fan, that doesn’t lend me much confidence in Clausen because the Michigan team last year was very, very bad.
Comes to a point
Where the defense actually has to do something. Cant just tell the offense go score everytime, just too much. Defense has to do something, which ND didn’t
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
Hi Frickin 5 Dude!
Matt
I’d buy ya a beer!
KC is liable to see Haley’s comet twice before an oppurtunity like this comes along again. Don’t think Haley,Pioli,Weis, & Co have not given this all some serious thought and we have no idea just how much.
If he truly is their man they would prolly talk like Teicher and surely wouldn’t spill those beans. Who did these guys have under center at NE? Did they draft that guy and make him what they wanted? Was that guy that worked with him named Weis? I wonder if that Weis guy has a hankering to take his college project the rest of the way?
I mean with the jack Weis left ND with he could have had KC BBQ delivered warm anywhere on earth…… Wonder why he’s here? Hell Haley and Pioli prolly don’t trust that Weis guy if he tells em Clausen can do it for them in KC like Brady did in NE.
You folks actually think they would pass on Clausen for a TRUE UNKNOWN next year? Put that out! Smoking that stuff is illegal!
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
Unless you have a medical excuse!
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
It has to be a possibility.
Matt Cassel is not the guy!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 19, 2010 5:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i disagree
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
It has to be a possibility.
Matt Cassel is not the guy!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 19, 2010 5:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well
I guess in a couple of years when the rest of us are celebrating a sb WITH Cassel as our QB then you guys can sit there by yourselves wishing we had Clausen
by badassz1987 on Feb 19, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
even if they did draft Claussen which would be a bad move
he wont be starting this year, he will sit behind Cassel atleast this year. theres no way in hell Pioli is going to have a backup qb making $30million, and I dont see anyone trading for Cassel this year with him expected to make that much
Dude looks he came off the movie Wrong Turn...
bad idea….period. DIdnt we cover this the other day, how Cassel is stayin in KC to work on the offseason????
I bet he is...........
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
I wanna know
Tell me some teams that have won a SB without a franchise QB….that didn’t have a top 5 defense.
It’s not there. Cassel is a stopgap. He is a backup at best.
We need that young franchise guy to grow with our young team. A guy with all the tools.
It’s either get one this year or never.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 19, 2010 6:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Let's say
You guys trade Matt Cassel to Denver, and he win’s a SB. What would you say?
I know you think that’s impossible. But IF it happened, what would you say?
we dont talk like that around here Pat...
Denver is just like your Jets, oh wait…maybe…. no not the Bills, well maybe Miami…..no theyre no good. Ahhh, forget it, you never had a division before to have a rival.
hahahhaha
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
Tell me that doesn't make you sick...
<img src="http://lp.imageg.net/prod?set=key[name],value[CASSEL]&set=key[number],value16&set=key[displaysize],value220&load=url[http://chains.imageg.net/graphics/dynamic/chains/p2754899_customback.chain]"/>
Get that out of here.
Makes me sick to my stomach.
Someone who knows how...
grab a pick of Pollard turnin Brady’s knee inside out, and how the Chiefs pee-pee’d all over the bangwagon jumpers season…..hahahaha
if Claussen is so good then
why would the Rams not be drafting him 1st overall, they are in need of a qb alot worse then we are, if Pioli was going to draft a qb in the 1st round it would have been Sanchez last year, hes better then Claussen is, Im not saying he wont draft one late in the draft
Yeah
the sad thing is Clausen isnt even the best(or second best) qb in this years draft and that is really saying something cuz this years qbs are pretty pathetic
Bad idea...
I can appriciate thinking outside the box…but really we’d then be stuck with two 60 million dollar QB’s. Trading Cassel isn’t really possible at this point. Give the guy another year to prove himself, if after this season he doesnt look like a legit QB then go from there.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 6:06 PM CST reply actions
I'm done with it, let's see what happens.
I wonder how much $$$ it would take for Jimmy to come here? Maybe work for cheap first couple years for Charlie……
Just don’t be surprized………
GO CHIEFS!
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
Nice job Matt and rec
If and only IF we would draft Clausen then Croyle would be the one hitting the road and Clausen would be the one hitting the clipboard.
But why the hell not draft a QB at 5 or so if we could?
we are talking ILB and safety or possible RT upgrade why not draft a QB
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
Pay Cassel AND Clausen?
That’s over $25M per year in QBs
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 19, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
No Cap :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
That money is going out the door on whoever we pick
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Top 5 picks don't give discounts
He would be the highest paid Chief ever if we draft him.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 7:11 PM CST reply actions
from a pro-set offense
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody said that we as fans have to like our QB
so I like Cassel and not Clausen. Doesn’t matter. If Rivers was the Chiefs QB I might
like him a little bit better than what I do now
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
To all Cassel haters
You say we need to get rid of Cassel cuz he cant be a franchise QB, well I disagree and here is the proof. You want to compare him to some of the other franchise QBs, ok lets compare. The following numbers are the stats from these QBs first 2 seasons as starting QBs for their teams.
record comp% tds int yards
Matt Cassel——— 15-15 59.2% 37 TDS 27 Int 6617 yds
Peyton Manning—- 16-16 59.4% 52 TDS 43 Int 7874 yds
Eli Manning———- 12-13 50.5% 30 TDS 26 Int 4805 yds
Drew Brees——— 10-17 59.2% 28 TDS 31 Int 5392 yds
Roethlisberger—— 22-4 64.55% 34 TDS 20 Int 5006 yds
Tom Brady———- 20-12 63% 46 TDS 26 Int 6607 yds
I would say he compares pretty similar to each of these guys in their first 2 years as a starting qb. Brady and Roethlisberger records are about the only thing he doesnt compare to and that is only cuz they were both on teams that were already sb contenders. So if you compare him to both Mannings and Brees he was just as good if not better than these three qbs. I guess these teams should have given up on their qbs after 2 seasons too cuz none of them turned out to be any good did they. And each of these qbs had a lot more talent to work with than what Cassel had this year.
by badassz1987 on Feb 19, 2010 8:34 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Rec
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
good info
so I guess we should get rid of him, none of those qb’s turned out to be any good, so he doesnt stand a chance
and how much older was he putting up those stats
than the other QBs? How much longer had he been in the NFL learning behind Tom Brady? What did he have to work with in his first year of starting? Give me a break.
by mcclanahanman on Feb 19, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't matter really
Lenny was probably about hat edge when he took over the Chiefs.
Lenny could have produced earlier given the chance just
It is what it is
Time for Cassel now
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
about that age
squazeme
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Wow dude you are really reaching to make arguments now arent you
ok here ya go, here were their ages for those 2 seasons. Real big difference there isnt it? Oh and each of them had just as good if not better talent around them for their 2 seasons.
Matt Cassel 26-27
Peyton Manning 22-23
Eli Manning 24-25
Drew Brees 24-25
Roethlisberger 22-23
Tom Brady 24-25
by badassz1987 on Feb 19, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Oh
2 to 4 more years to sit and mature behind a real QB. Yeah that’s no time at all in the maturity of a QB. How many sacks does your precious Matt C take? How big of a drive killer is that, look at his accuracy and that’s not something you can look at numbers to determine. How well does your boy place the ball?
How many times did he throw behind his receivers when they were going over the middle, or running outs? Isn’t that kind of a momentum breaker when a receiver has to slow down or stop to catch a poorly thrown pass?
Some of those were receptions, some weren’t, some were credited as drops. He’s not half the QB of anyone you mentioned and never will be. Maybe he can be serviceable someday, but Hoodie took Pioli for Cassel.
I still say I’d take Clady over Cassel anyday.
by mcclanahanman on Feb 19, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
You can't look at numbers to determine accuracy?
What the hell else do you look at? You’re seriously letting your absolute hatred of Cassel blind you here dude.
by The Insider on Feb 19, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, because we put him in SUCH a good position.
You’ve got a serious vendetta against the guy, and have for some time. I’ll never claim that he’ll be Brees or Peyton, but I never expected him to be.
And do you recall how bad Peyton, Eli, and Roethlisberger were in their first couple years? They threw terrible picks, bad balls, and took a lot of sacks, too.
And the “behind Brady” argument is tired. Game experience is not equivalent to holding a clipboard.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 19, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm
his accuracy I just showed you above that he is pretty much right in line with all these other qbs. And the whole sitting behind a real qb argument is just ridiculous. Cuz you know the backup qbs to Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Dan Marino, John Elway, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre all of their backups that they have had thru their careers have all gone on to have hall of fame careers, havent they?
by badassz1987 on Feb 19, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Chiefs led the league in dropped passes, flirted with setting the record. Figure in the drops from this year and his accuracy goes way up.
Plus, Cassel took one hell of a beating this year. I think he’s shown great resolve and toughness leading a team with almost no tools around him and I think he’s earned another year to see what he can do surrounded by better talent and Charlie Weis.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Not true
Oh and each of them had just as good if not better talent around them for their 2 seasons.
Not one of them had better talent than Cassel had in 2008. And the Chiefs have about the same level of offensive talent as the Colts did in Manning’s first 2 seasons….Remember that they were bad enough to have the #1 pick?? I am still willing to see what Cassel can do in 2010 with Weis helping him out. He is a hard worker (so it appears) but I would have no heartburn if we drafted Jimmy if we at least got a second round pick back for Cassel.
by bonesjackson on Feb 21, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Peyton Manning had in
1998 Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison
1999 Edgerrin James and Marvin Harrison
The Chiefs had nothing even close to this level of talent on offense this year
who’s that RB we have? Charles? Didn’t he go over 1,000 yards this season? In how many games? Cassel had Bowe, granted he’s not the most reliable receiver, but having Cassel throw him the ball, he saw his numbers plummet this year. Cassel had Chambers for a good part of the season, and he steadily got worse. The more talent he was given the worse he got.
The more Charles stepped up, the better the line blocked, the worse Cassel played. Does that tell you nothing?
Maybe Weis can make something out of him.
by mcclanahanman on Feb 21, 2010 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Are you kidding me
so you are telling me that you think that Charles, Chambers and Bowe are as good as Faulk, James and Harrison
by badassz1987 on Feb 21, 2010 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Lets address Charles first
At that point in James’ and Faulk’s career, yeah I’d say Charles is just as dangerous now as either of them were then. Have you not noticed that Haley is implementing Charles in a very similar fashion as Vermiel and Martz were Faulk? I don’t think James was ever the threat that Charles is. James was going to get his yards, he was going to run into you, over you, but when Charles touches the ball he’s a threat to go all the way every time.
Bowe and Chambers aren’t in the same class as Harrison, but neither one is a slouch either. Both of them are a threat once they get the ball. Bradley wasn’t much, Wade had his moments, so did Long.
As far as a balanced offense goes, Cassel probably had it quite a bit better than Manning did.
Cassel goes from a Vette, with Watson, Moss, Welker, and Faulk to an old Nova that wasn’t always hitting on all eight. His nova wasn’t running right, but with the right adjustments, it should have been able to purr and get you from here to there.
As the season went on, the line played better didn’t they?
He was given more and more talent at the WR position as the season went on, wasn’t he?
The play of the TE’s got better as the season went on didn’t they?
LJ was dumped and Charles was promoted and in 8 games went over 1,000 yards didn’t he?
Our game plans got better and better, and yes there were some bone headed plays called, but the play calling got better as the season went on.
Cassel’s offense steadily improved, and not because of him, but in spite of him. As everything improved, Cassel steadily regressed. Sure he had his shining moments, but he had more days where he didn’t look so good.
You can quote his good days, but how many games did he lose for us?
Yeah your boy is a competitor, maybe he’ll evolve into a QB some day, but I really can’t see him leading any team to the superbowl. Right now you can’t compare him to any superbowl winning QB in the last few years, you can’t even compare him to Trent Dilfer.
You can look at someone else’s career and say look he’s doing better than this guy so far, or he’s comparable to that guy by the numbers. If he doesn’t make Major strides next year, we’re in for another long year, or we’ll get a good look at our backup QB whoever that will be by the time season starts.
I get the loyalty for Cassel, I really do, but this season what did he do consistantly? There were good passes, and there were quite a few that wasn’t so good. The only thing Cassel could consistantly do was be inconsistant.
I watched the games too, I saw him compete. I saw a few good games, a few horrible games, but mostly his game was mediocre. He’ll never be a Troy Aikman, a Steve Young, or even a Randall Cunningham. I doubt he’s even as good as Vick was before he went to the pen.
He’ll be a game manager at best, his holding onto the ball and taking the sack instead of throwing it away will lose games for us. If we ever get to the playoffs and with the additional emotion of the playoffs, he’ll be a liability.
by mcclanahanman on Feb 22, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
In 98 & 99 Peyton also had
an offensive line consisting of Tarik Glenn, Adam Meadows, Larry Moore, Steve McKinney and a young Jeff Saturday…along with tight ends Ken Dilger and Marcus Pollard.
Cassel doesnt have anything resembling that among his o-line and tight ends.
What the hell?
Why do we always have to explore trade scenarios involving the few (VERY FEW) good players we have? Who the hell wants to wait on a rookie QB to develop after three straight years of overall bullshit?
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
It seems you don't understand, Buck'O.
Why stick with a known entity at a position when you can draft a guy who had 1-2 good games in college that happened to make it on TV and all the “experts” are touting as the best player ever to come out of college? I mean, why keep a talent like Glenn Dorsey who is being under-utilized in the 3-4 when we can get a number of other players in the draft who (wait for it) haven’t played in the 3-4. Or how we should throw Brandon Carr by the wayside for the latest sensation to come out of college, even though he’d start for most of the teams in the NFL.
For the absolute last time, everyone: THERE ARE NO SURE THINGS IN THE DRAFT. Taking positions we’re mediocre to okay in when we’ve got so many we’re beyond terrible that need filling is a sure way to throw our team in the tank for a number of years more than we’re currently going to be in it.
Honestly, our new coordinators started work less than a month ago, and we’re creating hypothetical situations to tear down our entire team to get 3-4 extra early draft picks.
steps off of soapbox
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 19, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Stepping up on the soapbox
Screams: “We need to explore all possibilities!”
Steps of the soapbox
Carry on nothing happening here :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
But why act like everyone we could get at #5 is the second coming of a Hall of Famer?
Everyone automatically assumes that everyone we could draft at that spot is better than anybody we have. We suck, yes…but are you guaranteeing that player X coming out of college will be better?
I can think of a handful of positions that I would go out on that limb to agree on, and QB isn’t one of them. A shot in the dark on an unproven QB (and he is, because he hasn’t played a pro-level game) while neglecting a shoddy defense, weak o-line, and bad receivers makes so little sense to me, personally, that I can’t even begin to explore that possibility.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 19, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Not saying we need to go out on the limb
but we need to explore every limb :)
A QB is a prime position right?
ILB and safety and RT are not. If we decide QB, LT, Rush LB are not upgrades
then we can draft a S/CB or a MLB/ILB, RT/C/G with no issues.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
QB is a prime position.
But you want to put your QB in a prime position to succeed. We don’t have that situation currently with the state of our line and WR’s. In that situation, is a perceived upgrade really an upgrade if he can’t stay upright and can’t complete a pass?
I understand the “prime position” argument, but if you can’t put a prime position in a chance to succeed (see, rush LB, DE’s, ILB’s affected by NT or ILB’s and CB’s affected by safety), it’s a mute point. When other positions are as bad as they are on this team, they’re not just errors that can be glossed over, they create major problems for the prime positions.
If someone at work that you rely on to do their job occasionally screws up, it’s troubling, but it can be worked around. When they consistently screw up, even if your job is the more important one, it makes it damn near impossible to do yours.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 19, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
I said
Nice job Matt and rec If and only IF we would draft Clausen then Croyle would be the one hitting the road and Clausen would be the one hitting the clipboard. But why the hell not draft a QB at 5 or so if we could?
we are talking ILB and safety or possible RT upgrade why not draft a QB
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I get the speculation and all. That's fine if you guys wanna analyze that scenario.
You’re entitled to your speculation.
I’d just rather not burn the #5 pick on a clipboard holder with all the holes we’ve got…even if it’s for a “prime position”.
And with all the combine non-participants and potential combine busts (there are always 3-4 that plummet), it’s hard to say that a “prime position” player that fills a hole won’t move up.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 19, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
QB's picked should be clipboard holders for a couple of years
Croyle is not going to be here much longer one way or another.
He is a RFA cause of the CBA and would be gone if not for the change in RFA rules. We can say Cassel and I do but we have to have a backup QB too and Gut ain’t it. So we can look now or later, just another decision that can bite us in the Butt :(
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm not opposed to taking one later in the draft.
Pioli seems to prefer that anyway.
Besides, if Clausen’s there, it’s a better position for us to have another team overpay for our pick…giving us the opportunity to fill more holes.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 19, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Has Pioli ever drafted a QB besides Brady and Cassel?
Brady was a freakin luck pick and Cassel maybe too. Luckily for us Weis is the guy that coached Brady up. So again why not. Are we going to the SB in 2010?
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
No, but neglecting gaping holes elsewhere
Because “we’re not going to the SB in 2010” isn’t smart. That’s the quick way to get your team in a hole for a good long time.
Check the Lions and Rams. Drafting a string of “prime position” players while neglecting the other holes has put them consistently in the cellar. A happy medium is paramount. All 11 guys need to be competent, and we don’t have that right now. Establishing that, in my mind, is most important.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2010 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Really just taking the other (losing) side in the debate
Seems that we have a plethora of choices and need to weed out the losers. QB pick unless we can use it to our advantage is one of them. Trading down makes no sense if we give up a premier player for a draft pick next year. Now trading down for 2-3rds with the late second makes sense. But trading to trade is not going to get us the players we want. I could name the players AP likes, about 40 I would say and some of them are NOT going to be picked cause they are not top 150 players and we have 8 top 150 picks. Rolle would be one, Angerer would be another. Just a call out on what the Chiefs do
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 1:19 AM CST up reply actions
Thank you Kalo
for taking this thread all the way to the mat. It seems like I’ve spent so many evenings making the same basic case over and over. No matter how sound an argument I make (or don’t make) people still think we need to engage in wild fantasy trade scenarios a-la madden, or go for the biggest man-crush player in the draft because “you should always draft bpa no matter what… always.”
I rather like Pioli’s approach. It ain’t sexy, but he goes for the need with what’s available to him. Reach or not, I’d rather have a well rounded team with some depth than the highest paid roster with a few big names. Look what that’s done for Dan Schneider and the Redskins for God knows how many years now.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
+1
Pioli’a approach is proven to work, Im not going to doubt any of his picks until he gives me reason to, and so far I see no reason to, thats why he is there making decisions and we are all on the internet blogging away
Pioli also was involved (in New England) in drafting such notable QBs as...
Kliff Kingsbury, Rohan Davey, and Kevin O’Connell.
wow, amazing! THIS guy ...
Position: QB
Height: 6’ 3’’ Weight: 223
just like Clausen!
3 year starter in college, graduated Phi Beta Kappa with a 3.8 GPA, led college team to a
National Championship and won his university’s Eric Walker Award given to the senior student who has most "enhanced the esteem and recognition of the University."
After his Junior year he won the Davey O’Brien Award for best quarterback in the nation!
pretty impressive right there!
he was a #7 overall pick in the draft
his name? oh, yeah … I mean LOOKA that above, a SURE THING, right?
not for Todd Blackledge …
… or the team that drafted him … oh yeah, we know which team
just sayin’ yanno … Clausen is no more a sure thing than anyone else
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
banshee
yeah, the point of my comment was that I do NOT want to see us “waste” first pick on Clausen … or Bradford, or …
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
that boy can throw the long ball
I would trade cassel to rams for their 2nd
By all means
Let’s get rid of Matt Cassel. He’s obviously not the answer. Better to trade him and watch, a la San Diego, as he wins a Super Bowl somewhere else. Much better story, IMO.
Matt Cassel
Has had 2 years as a starter…SINCE HIGH SCHOOL. Leave the man alone. Is he overpaid??? By all means. Does he deserve some blame for last year? Sure, he’s the Quarterback. But the man put up pretty good stats considering he had the worst WR/OL in the NFL, bad enough having just one of those. He sprained his MCL in preseason which is not an injury to be taken lightly, and he had no significant running threat until week 9, just a few weeks before losing top WR Dwayne Bowe to a 4-Game suspension…all of this coming in a new offense with a rookie head coach for a team that finished 2-14 the year before, causing the organization to clean house.
Why is this even being discussed?
Pioli and Haley both have committed to Cassell. He will get at least 2 more seasons to prove himself. The team needs to concentrate on improving the O-line and getting receivers that will hang on to the ball.
He did take a talented team to an 11-5 record and should have been in the playoffs. I know it was the Pats but the point is, if we get some decent talent in here he can do the job.
The only Claussen Pioli will get will be a jar of pickles.
End of discussion.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Feb 22, 2010 10:41 AM CST reply actions
If our receivers could catch
how good would Cassel’s numbers have looked last year in his first year in a new scheme? Dont forget the fact that Cassel led 4th quarter drives to tie the game vs. Dallas and Pittsburg. He may not be Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Drew Brees, but he’s also not Jeff George or Akili Smith. He’s more than good enough to win with. In fact, no rookie QB could step into KC and do better than him until several other glaring needs are filled first. Just ask Matt Stafford how much fun Detroit is with only one weapon on that offense and no protection. Oh yeah, or watch tape from the 2008 season with Croyle getting smashed, Huard getting smashed, even Marquise Hagans playing QB, and last but not least, Tyler Thigpen vs Atlanta!
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