Draft Genious Scott Pioli?
by craig in calgary on Feb 18, 2010 5:16 PM CST
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There have been MANY debates around here about our GM Scott Pioli. The main argument I think is who is ultimately responsible for the Patriot’s dynasty in the 90’s, Bilichick or Pioli? Daily we hear arguments giving blind support to Pioli because of the great Patriot teams he created and that we need to "Trust the Don" because of past success.
I’m just not so sure.
Look, I’m not looking to Poo-poo this offseason but I would like to temper some of the enthusiasm that Pioli can turn around a terrible Chiefs team in a season or 2. This is a very difficult offseason as without a new CBA, there is hardly any unrestricted free agents available, and face it….Unrestricted Free Agents aren’t lining up to come to a team that’s won 9 games the last 3 year. Which takes us to the draft.
Most people agree that successful teams are build through the draft and sprinkled with a dash of free agents and throw in a couple trades. Awesome. We have 3 draft picks in the top 50 and we have draft genious Scott Pioli at the helm. But is he a genious? Certainly the 2009 draft was underwhelming. Well Craig, Pioli was handcuffed because he didn’t have HIS scouts and HIS people involved. Wait until he get’s HIS people in place.
Ok. Lets look back in history to a time when Pioli did have his people in place. Let’s examine the Patiots drafts. For the sake of the argument, let’s assume that Pioli was instrumental in the Patiots success, not just riding the Hoodie’s coattails.
Let’s examine the Patiots draft history in the Hoodie/Pioli regime. To better understand the inner workings, I’ve once again consulted Patriot Superfan Bill Simmons who wrote an artice about the Patriot’s "fall from grace" with zero playoff wins in the past 2 seasons and site’s poor drafing as the reason.
Take it away Bill:
Here's what we know: Belichick and helper Scott Pioli landed Brady in his first draft (2000), then crushed the next three (2001-2003) Nailing picks is the NFL's biggest ongoing advantage, especially after the first round; it's the best way to circumvent the salary cap, by getting cheap labor. Those four drafts directly set up the 2003-04 seasons: 34 wins, 4 losses and two Super Bowl titles. Not an accident.
The early 2000's were the Patriot's heyday. Drafting one of the best QB's of all time in the 6th round is one of the alltime great Draft steals. Richard Seymore, Matt Light, Deion Branch, Jarvis Green, David Givens, Daniel Graham, Ty Warren, Eugene Wilson, Asante Samuel, Dan Kopen, Banta Cain were all draft picks that contributed to multiple Superbowl wins. Then the wheels started to fall off...
The following two drafts (2004-2005) went fine. Nothing special. Things fell apart in 2006 when only kicker Stephen Gostkowski panned out. The Pats took Laurence Maroney over D'Angelo Williams, traded up from No. 52 (Greg Jennings) to No. 36 (WR Chad Jackson, a bust) and chose tight end David Thomas over Owen Daniels. Egads. As far as drafts go, this was Belichick's "Funny People" -- such a mess that you almost want to pretend it never happened.
The next three drafts looked worse than they actually were because they lost the Spygate pick (No. 32 in 2008) and dealt two picks for Wes Welker and Randy Moss, but from 2007-2009, only Mayo has emerged as an impact player, and only three current starters (Gostkowski, Mayo and Brandon Meriweather) came from the last four Patriots drafts (even though the team had three firsts, six seconds and five thirds over that time). When seventh-rounder Julian Edelman emerged as Welker Jr. this summer, I remember being shocked that we finally struck pay dirt with a non-first-rounder. Not a good sign.
Uh Ohh. Certainly recent draft failure is a direct correletion to the Patriot's no longer being the super power of years ago. One particular Beef that Simmons had with the regime is chosing a need over BPA, which is something that Pioli is known for.
The last few years, he's been drafting by need instead of just taking the best players, which he never used to do. And he spends so much time flipping picks that I reached the "can't we just stand pat and take the best guy?" point two years ago. Just this spring, instead of moving up 2-3 spots to grab game-breaker Percy Harvin or just taking tackle Michael Oher at No. 23 (now a staple of Baltimore's excellent offensive line), the Patriots traded down twice, picking up a second and two thirds (none of whom are starting). Quantity over quality yet again.
This is something that several people in AP'ville want, for Pioli to wheel and deal ala Bilichick. I'd argue with backup from my good friend Bill Simmons that it hasn't really worked for the Patriots. Patriots were the strongest back when they identified their guy, and drafted him rather trying to play the game stockpiling 2nd rounders. Drafting 2nd rounders is all well and good, as long as you draft well, which Bilichick haven't done well lately.
I'm certainly in Pioli's corner and I'm hoping he does well, but I still roll my eye's a little when I hear "In Pioli we trust".
Thanks for reading,
Craig.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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nice :)
that’d be funny, if it was a joke
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
But if the Patriots
wheeled and dealed last year, (without Pioli) isn’t that a sign that Belichick is the one that prefers to do that? The Chiefs didn’t trade that much on draft day, at least in the top rounds.
yes, but you didn't see any sort of trade
until the 7th round i believe. very different from what the Pats do
This has been stated before a lot, but last year they didn't know what they had.
When Pioli took over last year he had no idea what kind of talent they had or how that talent would respond to a new system and new coach who was much more of a hardass disciplinarian. I think one of the reasons we didn’t see much dealing from Pioli last year was they took this year to really evaluate the talent they had inherited.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
I think its bigger then just how Pioli drafts
I think this all ties into his belief of wanting the “right guys” over the “best guys”. I think the one thing Pioli has proven in his first year is that he backs up this claim. If there is a player sitting at pick 5 that is all world in talent but doesn’t fit what the Chiefs are trying to do he’s not going to take him, period. When you take that approach you are going to miss out on some “home run” picks. However, this way of doing things proved to be succesful in NE so I am willing to cut him some slack for a few years to prove that the “team” over “talent” approach will bring us wins. If we fill a team full of “our guys” and we still can’t win, then it will be time to hop off the Pioli band wagon.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you
But “right guys” over “best guys” seems too much of a cop out for me and a canned answer why one didn’t draft a certain player, make a certain trade, or sign a certain guy.
Q. Why didn’t you draft Michael johnson in the 3rd round when a pass rusher was a glaring need and he was still on the board?
A. He wasn’t part of the “right 53”
Q. Why didn’t you make an offer to Matt Jones when WR was a glaring need?
A. He wasn’t part of the “right 53”
The NFL is a talent driven league and character and chemistry only takes a team so far. Using them as excuses for making making the wrong personel move or not making the right personel move doesn’t really fly with me. Again, just my opinion.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 18, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
His way of "right guys" seemed to work pretty good in NE
and getting the supposedly “best guys” hasnt really worked out for Washington has it, me personally I’ll take “Pioli’s Way”
by badassz1987 on Feb 18, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
I guess the whole point of my post is that it really hasn't worked lately.
I make no bones about it…from 2000-2003 Pioli/Bilicheck had probably the best 4 draft years ever in the NFL. Since then, not so much.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 18, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
I think you contradict yourself right there.
You include 2003 as one of the best draft years in the NFL but go back and look at that draft. They spent the #13 pick on Ty Warren who was not the sexiest pick in the draft. Right after him a couple DE “big name” pass rushers went in Michael Haynes and Jerome McDougal (neither of which are still playing). So playing it safe was the right move. Then look at the second round they took a DB in Eugene Wilson over Rashean Mathis who went a few picks later. Then they took Bethel Johnson over Anquan Boldin who went a few picks later.
My point is you can make any draft look bad if you put it under the microscope. Even the best of all time make a lot of mistakes. You could call Wilson and Johnson mistakes but they helped contribute to 2 SB wins.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
if drew B
had not got hurt in 01 he wouild have been beached but no super bowls
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I think you guys are missing the point of the "53 right guys" thing.
It seems like you are reading into the “53 right guys” concept that Pioli isn’t interested in good players. Pioli wants good football players. He has stated that many times in public. But he also wants good football players with good work ethics and good character. He wants guys who are smart. In the long run, those are the guys that maximize their talent and those are the guys you can win with. Hell, they’re the guys who actually want to win, to be on championship teams. They are the guys who are team leaders, who will teach young players what it means to be a pro. They are the guys who take pay cuts to bring in more quality players.
By all accounts Jamarcus Russell doesn’t even know the fucking playbook. The dude is a fat lazy slob despite having great physical tools. Do you really think you can win with a guy like that? Delusional Al Davis thinks so and look at how successful that team is. The Raiders will lose until Al Davis dies. If players show up on Sundays hung over because they were out too late on Saturday night, do you think you can win with that? Dwayne Bowe missed 4 games this season because he failed a drug test. How can he help the team win if he can’t get on the field? Can you win with guys who are suspended by the NFL? When Bam Morris played for the Chiefs he was too busy running his drug distribution ring to really put much time in on his game. Do you think you win with guys like Bam Morris?
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Feb 19, 2010 3:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry but I don't agree with that at all
Let’s just take the two examples you gave. Michael Johnson is a 6’7" 4-3 DE who was already seen as kind of a “gamble” pick without trying to move him to a new position. Even playing in his natural position this year he only had 3 sacks (which is 1.5 less then Wallace Gilberry). So him not being the “right fit” for the Chiefs isn’t a cop out answer, it looks like the truth.
Now Matt Jones, a drug addict who reportedly showed up for his recent work outs horribly out of shape. So the guy sat around all season with the possibility of getting a phone call at any time from a team that needed to add a WR and instead of staying in shape he lets himself go. This is a guy trying to prove to teams that he is worth all his baggage. Does that sound like a guy that fits what Haley wants in his players to you? So again I say, not a cop out answer, but the right answer.
I’ll be fine admitting I was wrong if in a couple years we still aren’t any better but he hasn’t had enough time here to prove his system right or wrong yet. Say what you want about how he was able to “keep the cuppord stocked” after winning three rings, nobody can stay on top forever.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
quality over quantity....
went out the window with Tony G. Unless he was just soooo unbearable and a locker room infection, which we all know is not his style. Oh well, it is what it is. I really think he will have a solid draft this year, he got embarrassed and now its time to get it right.
I dont think he got embarrased
last year draft class was not very good and that 2nd round pick for Tony is looking pretty good right now is it not
The Tony G trade was awesome.
A second round pick for an aging tight end? I also seem to remember Tony demanding a trade in the middle of the 2008 season.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Great post Craig.
“In Craig we trust”
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
by BigRedChief on Feb 18, 2010 6:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Seconded and rec
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 18, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
You said it many moons ago
Last year’s draft was a bigger let down than nailing your high school teacher. Though you failed to mention that you were home schooled, a better analogy couldn’t have been made.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
The only thing more lame than mock draft's is the sarcasm font.
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 18, 2010 6:09 PM CST reply actions
And for Christ's sake
I don’t know what’s more overused here at AP – The fanpost button on Krayfish’s account or this picture of Pioli. Slackers.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
The only thing more lame than mock draft's is the sarcasm font.
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 18, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Hahahahah
Green this comment
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 18, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Worst part of this picture?
I googled everyting:
“Scott Pioli”
“Scott Pioli and Kansas City Chiefs”
“Scott Pioli and Arrowhead pride”
“Scott Pioli wiping his mouth”
“That annoying fucking picture of Scott Pioli that AP throws up everytime they do an article about Scott Pioli”
But I couldn’t find it. I had to find it on Arrowhead Pride, Ctrl PrtSc, upload it on TinPic and insert it manually. It was a huge pain in the ass to insert a pic on AP that is ALWAYS on AP
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 18, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
Ive said it before
Belichick gets way too much credit for NE success. Im not saying it was all Pioli either but I believe in a few years people will start to see who the real genius of NE was, and heres a hint, we have him now
?????
What about Scott’s time in Baltimore…post cleveland prior to New England?..Looks like he had some good drafts there (late 90’s). I personally wonder if the reason why Scott left NE was because Bill B wanted even more control??? I also think we’ll never find out because Scott is a class act.
WE lost to WHO?
by Cowboynchrist on Feb 18, 2010 6:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sorry, this is all I have to say about this subject
by Sparbs on Feb 18, 2010 6:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Where is your fresh, original, inciteful post Sparbs?
There is only so much to talk about during the offseason and if you aren’t bringing up something new, maybe you should let go of the beating the dead horse thing eh?
You know what, you're right!
I don’t have anything new and inciteful to post. However, the one thing that chaps my hide is negativity about our team and our management.
Pointing out facts that you can easily check yourself is not being negative
Its being informed and realistic.
Feel free to stick your head in the sand if you don’t like it though I guess.
I don't think I'm being negative
All i’m pointing out is Pioli is give alot of credit for building some great teams. However recent drafts have shown that he isn’t an all knowing omnifarious draft guru that can fix everything with some wave of his magic wand. I’m sure alot of topics deserve the dreded “dead horse” tag but researching Pioli’s past isn’t something I’ve seen done before. Sorry to waste your time
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 18, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
It wasn't wasting my time
If it was I wouldn’t have read it. I usually like your posts. What I feel is the dead horse is the was it pioli or was it hoodie. Didn’t mean it to be a personal attack.
I think I made up a word in this post
$5 to the person who can identify my made up word that was some aborted derivative of “onmipotent”. I’m still kinda drunk after Canada’s big shootout win vs the Swiss :)
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 18, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
the one thing i think youve glossed
over is the stockpiling of second round picks, which is sheer genious and, likely to be copied by anyone who can pull it off. how many second rounders did NE have last yr, that had to be some kind of record. I totally agree Piolis every pick will not be golden but luckily noone elses will either Im glad that we can finally not use the gm or coaches as our excuse its all on the team to win once we get em some thouroughbreds to run next to them. if you get 3 starters, we are talking totally epic draft. these guys dont have to be superstars even, just start. if we think of it in terms like that we are shaping up to have a pretty good draft despite ourselves with the selections we hold.
I think last years draft was great!
Like you said you can’t expect the guy to come in and automatically make us SB contenders. He had to start somewhere building his foundation.
34 DE for the future – check
backup 34 DE – check
CB depth – check
oline depth – check
RB depth – check
WR/KR depth – check
TE depth – check
Kicker for future – check
Pioli has done a lot of great things for us so far. Look at our coaching staff!! Best we have EVER had!!
It’s not all about having the best draft….it’s everything. Draft is very important but not the only way.
I believe in Pioli.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 18, 2010 9:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Good points Matt
Look, I’m not saying he WON’T make this team into a perpetual contender, I’m just saying lets not get all hung up on believing that Pioli is a magic worker because of the teams he made in New England. Wikipedia the drafts since 2004 that New England has had, and I just don’t see alot of starter quality football players. New Englands starting 22 has 3 starting players from the last 4 drafts. Thats not saying much since the consensus around here is we need 4 starters from this current draft class.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 18, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
And Vrabel and Cassel
Our second round pick last year turned into Vrabel and Cassel, that’s part of our return from the draft.
The actual draft picks were supposed to be long term projects anyway, it’s going to take a couple years before we see how many of them pan out. D-linemen seem to take the longest to become good, so year one of a long term rebuild is probably the best time to draft a couple of them. You know your team is probably going to be bad that first year anyway, so draft them then and let them get started developing.
by Offense of the 70s on Feb 19, 2010 7:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The problem I have with everything you just listed....
There’s 2 picks that are STARTERS on a team that won SEVEN GAMES IN TWO YEARS.
Think about that for a second. Every pick after the First was basically what you call “for depth.” When we needed STARTERS at most of those positions.
So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.
Oh shit
I see what you are saying now, nevermind what i said above ^.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
Ok
We got 4!! 4 starters!! TJ, Cassel, Vrabel, and Succop.
How many starters can you draft after the 3rd round? Magee was probably gonna start but Dorsey worked out better than thought.
Getting two veteran starters with a 2nd round pick is better than a rookie that might be good.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 19, 2010 11:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
"Best we have EVER had?"
I don’t know but… when we had Marty, Tony Dungy, Herm Edwards, Bill Cowher, Cam Cameron, and the countless people that have learned his way from them. I mean look at the other correlations to Marvin Lewis, Ken Wisenhunt, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin, etc. I mean to say that we have the best EVER is always sticking your foot in your mouth and setting yourself up for disappointment!
by readANDgold58 on Feb 19, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
It's somewhat of an over simplification, but i've always believed in the draft addage:
If you have a bad team you stay put or trade up and get the best talent you can get. If they fill a position of need…..that’s even better, but you get a guy with smarts, talent and that can be instantly impactful.
If you have a good team then you draft for needs, and you try to stockpile picks for comming years. This lets you build up possible “trade-up” ammunition for next season when you may be a bad team, and need to spend.
So, why does Pioli’s/Belichik’s drafts from 2000-2004 look different from 2005 and beyond?
Well, because when they had a bad team they were spending and drafting for talent and impact FIRST and position second. And when they had a good team they were drafting for NEED first and stockpiling pics for future years.
The Chiefs have a bad team. We should be drafting for talent and impact, and spendiing. We can’t afford to stockpile for next season, or to trade our way down out of the “immediate impact” group of players. (Whatever you think that is…top 5?" top 10?, top 15?)
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Feb 18, 2010 11:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good points TC
An honestly something I never really factored. I guess the point I should have made is after Pioli builds us a Superbowl winning team, we should fire his ass and get someone who can maintain that level of success!
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 18, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
You're so right
We totally need to get a Mike Tomlin or a Jim Caldwell in here
So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.
Yeah Craig
There has been many…
You came out swingin’ on this one ;)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I'm not sure what you are referring to.
It looks right to me.
God bless the edit button :)
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 18, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Wahahaha!
Well played!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I'd go back and respell "genious"
However I rather like the Irony that I’m questioning a multiple Superbowl winning execitives genius, while infact misspelling genius. Truth betold, I thought it was the Canadian spelling as most of our words look like that (honour, colour, neighbour, rumour etc etc)
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 18, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
How very British of you!
Good post by the way. Agreed, the circumstances are going to make this off-season incredibly weird. All of Pioli’s historical prowess will be put to the test in completely uncharted territory. I’ll maintain confidence in him as long as he can do better in this years draft than Tyson Jackson.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Maybe Hoodie has lost his edge
What does it take to motivate a person to give 110% a 100% of the time. Hoodie used to be able to do that. Maybe his SB rings are too burdensome to do that any more. If you can get any player to give all that they are mentally physical and capable of giving at this level, you will have a keeper. The guy that drafted those guys looks like a genius. People are motivated by different things. If a person is motivated by self promotion they are not part of the right 53 regardless of their performance threshold. Here today and gone when you need it most because they are not getting the validation that they require. The right 53 are more concerned with the success of the whole and personal glory is only a byproduct of their contribution. These are the guys you draft for your “TEAM”. Bottom line is Pioli is going to provide the coaching staff with players that he feels can give 110%, 100% of the time. It is now up to the coaches to prepare these guys to compete against the guys that have more talent, but only give 100%, about 80% of the time. I believe that would define the yoyo player. The players are over rated. The coaching staff is under rated. The TEAM is where it is at. Pioli’s job is to provide driven players. The coaches job is to prepare them mentally and physically to perform as part of the team. So the draft doesn’t mean shit without the ability to develop an motivate.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
Since I have had a few
and am feeling chatty consider this. Look at guys like 2.7, Vick, and Pac Man. These were players that stunk of talent. Look at their careers. Loser, Loser, and loser. Coaches can’t do shit with guys like this because they are to self absorbed. They don’t give a shit about the welfare of the team. They are only concerned about their own popularity. Why would you waste a draft pick on these guys. I like hearing about cassel is already concerning himself about the up coming season. He is the 60 million dollar man for shit sake. He should be hangin with his posse sporting a 10 gallon ball cap and pink watch, running a dog fight, and doing a rain dance at a stripper rendevous. But hell no, the self centered son of a bitch is watching game film from last year so he can figure out how to “throw the fucking ball matt” so his team can succeed. That to me is the kind of person you can win with. That is the kind of person that I want to see drafted. Those are the people that I want to see wearing Chiefs uniforms.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
by Idahochief on Feb 19, 2010 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
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very well said
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
LJ's career is far from "loser"
He was the best back in the league at least once and top 3 a could other times. Yea the guys a douche but he had a sucessful run. More than you could expect for any back you draft.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Feb 20, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Where was LJ when the chiefs played the last in NFL
colts run defense in the playoffs. I think you could find him on his back somewhere very near the line of scrimmage. The dude never had the fortitude to bring it everytime. LJ did great when he felt dissed by the organization and wanted to show them. Once he got the recognition (and cash), he had validated his worth in his mind and had nothing else to prove. That is the mentality of the me player. LJ only ever gave effort for LJ because he couldn’t grasp the team concept.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
Good shit, Craig
I’ve nothing else to say on it.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
One way to find out
Wait it out a couple on years before we find out how much of a draft guru Scott Pioli is.
we will be able to tell more
about cassell when hes not running for his life. i have concerns about him holding the ball too long as well but during that season with top notch recievers and a line and an above average d in NE, he wasnt having trouble making decisions as much as having trouble hitting randy moss on the run. also, i think 4 starters is a lil unrealistic, so you guys think we can get a potential starter in the top of the 3rd if that were to happen? im praying but i think the odds are against us there.
We should be able to
we pick 68th. in this draft that guy should have mid 2nd round talent.
Would depend on the position of play also. WR or safety or o-lineman should start on this team.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
I think that the reason he seemed to hit every pick and then seemed to miss every pick is because of coaching.
During his “perfect” drafts they had Weis and Crennel there to coach the guys up the way they want. Weis and Crennel both left in 2004 and from there NE began falling.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Feb 19, 2010 2:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Awesome rec
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Hey
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe a rec for Jon
I didn’t catch the corelation either :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Hey
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 19, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
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