Charlie Weis + Chiefs = Notre Dame Quarterback
by Joel Thorman on Feb 18, 2010 8:01 AM CST
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PrintAh, you didn't know I was a math guy, did you?
Okay, I'm not, but this is the formula a lot of folks, including ESPN's Mel Kiper, are using to predict the possibilities that the Kansas City Chiefs use the fifth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft on a quarterback, specifically Jimmy Clausen of Notre Dame.
The connection of course is Charlie Weis, who recruited Clausen to ND and coached him all four years. Kiper suggests Clausen-in-red isn't out of the realm of possibility.
"Charlie Weis is in Kansas City and Jimmy Clausen (will be) there at five," Kiper said. "Do they take Clausen and deal Cassel to Denver, say? There's always going to be talk about that if Clausen is there because Charlie Weis is a huge Jimmy Clausen fan, as everybody knows.''
Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star disagrees indicating that the Chiefs investment in Matt Cassel is too high and their interest in backup Brodie Croyle is also too much for them to think about a quarterback.
But with Charlie Weis in the fold, expect these draftniks to continue to bring up the possibility of the Chiefs picking up another quarterback.
(H/T Ryan at KC Chiefs Blog)
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I hope he is there...
for a better chance to trade back.
by Helmets on Feb 18, 2010 8:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
To me...
this says, at minimum, that we want people to think we are taking a QB at 5… so we have more possibility of a trade at the 5 spot.
KC Chiefs Football Blog
Go Chiefs!
No if they are thinking we are taking a QB they will try and trade in front of us.
We want everyone to think Seattle is taking the QB.
Unless both Bradford and Clausen are still on the board at #5
then we need other teams to think that both KC and Seattle might take QB’s
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Feb 18, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Hypothetically, if this were to happen, what
might the Donkeys give up for Matt Cassel? I imagine nothing higher than a second round pick. That would give us three picks in the third round, and a new QB in the first. If Weiss believes Clausen has more upside than Cassel, his contract wouldn’t be more expensive than Cassel’s (assuming the Donks pick up Cassel’s contract in its entirety.) And Clausen’s growing pains may be less significant than a typical rookie being that he already knows the OC and the offensive scheme. Just sayin.
I think it all comes down to how Weis feels about Cassel
If he doesn’t think Cassel can be the guy and they can get value for him via a trade then Claussen is a possibility
we are screwed
We payed way to much for Cassel and now we are stuck with a crappy QB and a huge contract that no one will pay for. The numbers Cassel put up last year are dismal and someone would be dumb to take on that kinda finacial responsibility for a liability.
I support the idea we need a new QB. But first we do need to clean a little house and maybe look at other needed positions like the front line first and foremost.
and when we get that front line
then you will see improvement in Cassel’s play.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
He also had one year with a team that almost ram the table the year before and had them miss the playoffs
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 7:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And apparently you have no concept that you need am elite qb or elite defense to win the super bowl
Chiefs have neither
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 7:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Claussen NFL career will be > cassel's
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 8:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Epic Fail. He's almost 28 and doesn't play for the Pats anymore.
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 10:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Because you can't win the Super Bowl win you are 28
Amazing logic there
Pitchers and Catchers report February 17th... And so begins my masochistic addiction.
by averagegatsby on Feb 19, 2010 1:06 AM CST up reply actions
he also went 11-5 that year, pretty good
how often does a team go 11-5 and not make the playoffs, not very often, they went 10-6 this year with a 3 time superbowl winner as qb
Cassel's a below average NFL qb
Scott Mitchell v2.0
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 9:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And Belichek knew theit D couldn't hold a lead and pulled a Haley and went for it on 4th and 3 with a lead on own 30
Trading Cassel really set back the Pats. Look how much worse the are with that Brady guy
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 10:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Clean house? How much cleaner could it get?....
…..They evaluated what they could salvage and now they are building the rest.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
But first we do need to clean a little house
We did that in 2007….
…and 2008….
….and 2009….
You’re suggesting starting over again?
Cassel’s contract is front-loaded just like most players and was also built in anticipation of an uncapped 2010 season (this was discussed by Pioli with his interview with Jack Harry).
In short, he has about 3 seasons (give or take) to “pan out”, and if not, we can release him or trade him when he’s owed the least amount of money. I agree the O-Line needs to be bulked up significantly, but I’m nowhere close to saying Cassel is a bad investment one year into his tenure in KC. He’s already proven that he can win 11 games when he’s surrounded by other good players. Let’s focus on those players right now, and worry about Cassel after his contract starts to drain a little.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
Are you kidding me
well then I guess we are also screwed with Dorsey and Jackson and we better get rid of them too cuz their numbers were dismal this year too and they are getting paid pretty much the same amount that Cassel is
by badassz1987 on Feb 18, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
it was Jacksons 1st year, give the guy a chance
do you expect every player coming out of college to be a probowl stud in their 1st year
so basically your willing to only give a guy 1 year to put up big numbers
and if he doesnt its time to get rid of him, come the hell on, how about we give ours guys a couple years atleast to see what they can do. We have been changing players way too often around here the last few years, so its time to get rid of Bowe, Charles, Flowers, Carr, and Hali, none of them put up monster numbers either, time for all of them to go as well
Apparently everyone is giving Cassel one year starting with the Pats to mak him untouchable
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 7:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Im not saying he is untouchable but Im willing to give him more then 1 year here
before I give up on him
What if it's too late then?
Chiefs go 8-8. Cassel is 25th ranked qb again and have no chance to draft a franchise qb. I don’t understand why people think he’s a great qb when he couldn’t start for USC and was almost cut in 2007-08. Gut outplayed Cassel for the Pats
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 10:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Last year the New York Jets finished 9-7 last year and drafted a franchinse quarterback.
If the Chiefs have assembled all the pieces, and Cassel is the only thing holding them back, it’s not impossible to trade up in the draft to nab your guy. A lot of teams want to trade out of the top 5 if they can, as evidenced by the fact that many, arguably most, people here hope that the Chiefs can do so.
Additionally, franchise quarterbacks are not exclusively found in the first round. Tom Brady was, what, a sixth round pick? Tony Romo was undrafted. I’m not saying that it’s as common to find quarterback outside of the top half of the first round, but it can be done.
Personally, I think with time, coaching, and a competent line, receiving corps, and some run support, Cassel has proven that he can be a winner, but if that’s not the case, then it’s not impossible for the Chiefs to look elsewhere. It will never be “too late.” Clausen will not be the last super-hyped quarterback to declare for the draft. I promise.
Read my signature line..... It's all falling into place.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
It makes sense, and I could definitely see it happening, except...
I’m 90% sure Favre will play again next year. When you look at his player mentality, and the kind of season he had last year, he really has no reason to retire.
People are focusing on his last game and not his ’09 season as a whole. The guy – at 40 years old – was one game removed from the Super Bowl. The media his kind of lamenting on the beating he took in the NFC Championship, but when you look at the big picture: He had not only what I would consider a pretty successful season, it was arguably his best season since 1996 (when he was 27).
I don’t know Brett Favre personally, but I’ve seen this run-around enough times to know the way he thinks, and if he can play next year, he’s going to. I think he learned the mistake of retiring too soon last time, and he doesn’t want to do that again. After all that drama, I see only TWO ways that he will retire:
1. He wins a second Super Bowl
or
2. He physically cannot play the game on a level that allows the team to win. When his playing is clearly costing teams winnable games (to the point that the coach may remove him from the game) on a consistent basis, he will bow out.
Neither of those two things has happened yet.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
He hasn't announced his intentions for next year either. That said....
….I made this BOLD prediction a few days ago in another post and I thought it was crazy enough that it just might happen. If it happens I’m a fudging psychic! More tongue in cheek than anything really. ( ;
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
by BigRedChief on Feb 18, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
I dont think it matters if Favre retires.
The Vikings are built to win now, they need a good young QB. If Favre stays another year i could really see MIN still trading up to grab a QB to ride the pine for a year.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
Favre
He had not only what I would consider a pretty successful season, it was arguably his best season since 1996 (when he was 27).
His QB rating in 2009 was more than 10 points higher than in 1996 (107.2 and 95.8 respectively) and his TD/INT ratio in 2009 was 4.71 – in 1996 it was 3.0…I think you can safely say 2009 was Favre’s best year
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I can't see any sceanrio where Minn trades up to take Claussen
If Favre does retire then it’ll be McNabb there.
Maybe
we can swap them 1st round picks and we get Jared Allen back
by badassz1987 on Feb 18, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
I won't factor Denver in because if the Rams let Bulger go I could see him with the Donkeys.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
Not going to happen..
…but it’s fun draft talk chatter. I too hope he’s there for trade purposes.
my thoughts...
We will be fine with Cassel. This posturing will make others think we want a WB and will overwhelm us with picks or they will then contact pick 4 and trade to take claussen before we do.
by Primmtime on Feb 18, 2010 8:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Qb not wb
This new Droid phone has a mind of its own.
by Primmtime on Feb 18, 2010 8:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
0h N0ez! Skynetz is in ur INtreNETz!
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
Here's the thing, though...
None of us have a clue what Pioli, Haley, Weis, and Crennel are thinking draft wise.
Yep, ya know what's so funny is when you watch the draft.....
…..in the later rounds they always have Kiper’s Top 10 up and teams just are not picking them. You always get Kiper going “I really don’t understand why they would take ____ when _ is still on the board.” I always think to myself “Well Mel, that’s because you don’t know what the f*** you’re talking about.” Also if he was SO great at talent evaluation then why isn’t he working for an NFL team? And don’t tell me he has a TV personality.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
by BigRedChief on Feb 18, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well Mel, that’s because you don’t know what the f*** you’re talking about
Damn that made me laugh out loud in my office! It’s true though, and I wonder how some of these guys became “experts”……..
by Hail2DaChiefs on Feb 18, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Mel was probably an accountant or something for ESPN and......
…….an executive was walking by his cubical:
Executive: “You. Mel is it? What kinda name is Mel? Nevermind. You know anything about NFL talent?”
Mel: “Uhhh, you mean like football?… Not a thing.”
Executive: “Well you got a fantastic head of hair on ya boy. You’re hired.”
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
by BigRedChief on Feb 18, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Mel isn't working for another team because he is probably selling his stuff to everyone on top of his
ESPN contract.
Pitchers and Catchers report February 17th... And so begins my masochistic addiction.
by averagegatsby on Feb 18, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
If MN (or WASH) or anyone wants at Jimmy Clausen, I say let 'em.
Welcome to Rick Mirer, version 2.0.
He may have been up-and-down this year, but I’d still rather have Cassel (and Brodie backing up).
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
I would agree with that except...
Charlie Weis knows this kid better than anyone. I hardly think that if the Chiefs were to take him (which I doubt) that he would be any less of a QB than what Weis knows he is. It was Weis who put him in a position to be drafted so high and I hardly think he would fail under these particular circumstances.
All that being said I think there is only about a 1% chance that this will happen. Haley will want to continue on without disrupting things too much and Cassel is farther ahead in the development dept. than Claussen is. AND I think they are also curious at the very least to see what Brodie can do in a better offensive situation.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Feb 18, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
if by "fail" you mean fail to win games
see Dame, Notre, 2007-2009.
no way this happens, no matter how much Chuck thinks Clausen is a great QB. Weis thought Weis was a great choice for a college football coach, too.
I disagree. I think Claussen is further ahead in Weis's offense
He’s already ran it for 3 years at ND. Claussen has also been playing QB for the past 10 years. Cassel has played 2 years in the past decade
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 5:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well
then I guess we better trade every player on offense that we have right now and draft every offensive player from ND cuz all of them will have also played in Weis’s offense longer than any player currently on our team. That means nothing. Also exactly where did that get Claussen when he was at ND, nowhere, did they even make it to a bowl game while he was their QB. Cassel has also proven he can play in the NFL, Claussen has not
I agree.... I'd rather have Tate and Claussen than Bowe and Cassel
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 7:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
so say we were to draft Claussen
and he goes 4-12 next season, you would give up on him after 1 year just like Cassel and be saying we need to draft the next top rated qb in next years draft
They wouldn't go 4-12. What makes you think Cassel can be a good qb?
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 10:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ummm I dont know maybe the 11-5 record his 1st year as a starter
Clausen 16-21 as a starter in college and he couldnt even lead them to a bowl game any of his 3 years there so what makes you think he will be a good QB
by badassz1987 on Feb 18, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Look at the passing numbers
Not to mention the fact he actually beat out high school qb’s to be a starter in college. Cassel no. Did he think he should be a starter and transfer? No. Did Bellichek make Pioli take Cassel with him as blackmail…. Maybe
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 11:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cuz passing numbers are more important than wins
and Im pretty sure Clausen didnt have anyone even close to Palmer or Leinert that he had to compete against
by badassz1987 on Feb 18, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Apparently you have no concept that football is a TEAM game
That was your line btw. True. Claussen was an elite recruit. Cassel? Never considered as a starter. Bench warmer/waterboy. What are Cassel’s numbers the past 9 years?
I see
when you talk about Clausen football becomes a team game but when you are talking about Cassel the team around him doesnt factor in
You know you are right I see your point now
cuz NO nfl qb has ever been successful unless they came in and was the starter from day 1. I guess you never heard of Steve Young or Kurt Warner, Im pretty sure both of those guys were about the same age as Cassel when they got their first shot at starting qb for a team but yeah they both had horrible nfl careers cuz they werent the starter from day 1
better resume with Weis offense than Cassel under the Haley/Weis offense
Cassel was terrible last year. Drops? atleast half were a byproduct of Cassel’s decdison/accurracy. What makes you think Cassel can be a SB winning QB? Don’t say 11-6 with Pats with Moss and Welker and 6th best rushing yds/gm in 2008.
Obviously you didnt watch any of the Chiefs games last year
cuz those 50+ drops are all on the receivers otherwise they wouldnt be considered drops. And Clausen has a better resume under Weis’s offense, really and what was his record his 1st year in that offense, 3-9 I believe
What exactly has Cassel proven on the NFL?
That he can have no idea what to do with the football and get sacked 42+ times a seson? He’s never taken a team to the playoffs, has a losing record and is closer to 30 than 25. Honestly what has he done?
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 7:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ummm. First year? 5th year with 6th best rushing attack and 2 pro bowl wrs
4-11 In his sixth year. Couldn’t start in college. Chiefs will draft Claussen if he’s there
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 10:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
highly doubt we will use our 1st pick to take another qb
dont care which ones are there when we pick
wow didnt know you could see into the future
so who is our qb then when we finally do make it to the SB
How can you make that comparison when Claussen would have the same OC that he had in college?
Same playbook. Probably be closer to Montana than Mirer
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 5:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mel Kiper and others are just plain full of shit
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I wish someone would pay me to be full of shit
I have to do it for free.
Likewise my man :)
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I'd rather have Quinn than Clausen
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The only thing more lame than mock draft's is the sarcasm font.
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 18, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions
I agree with Teicher ... we don't go after Clausen
ohhhhhh I hope we don’t … what a waste that would be, with all the holes this team has now …
you build from the line … and by the draft … we’ve been getting DL and now we need OL …
Okung and Iupati and I’m a happy camper, yes indeed
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Teicher rode a short bus
with a helmet on and licked the windows on the way to school.
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
LMAO
A few months ago I told you Cheeseburger Charlie would have a KC BBQ sauce stain on his Chiefs hoodie soon and ya told me I was nuts.
Jimmy is a stud! He will end up making some NFL team a damn fine QB. He has been tutored by Cheeseburger and say what ya want, the guy knows NFL offense. I wouldn’t be sad at all if Jimmy ends up in KC, especially if Tate were to make it to KC as well.
Scenarios like this don’t come along all that often. Imagine being in the draft huddle if Jimmy is still available when it’s our turn, I’m sure Charlie will suggest getting a lineman…(eyeroll) Offense is about scoring points, hopefully more than the other team does.
To have an 1st year OC be able to work with a qb & receiver he has spoon fed for the four years previous and had some pretty good success with (offensively). Look at the facts ND was only a few points from a Helluva season.
I may be wrong but I don’t see Cassel ever leading us to the promised land. I’m sure somebody would pick him up if for nothing else than for a backup. I’m afraid that’s his strongest position.
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
I posted this same thought
about Clausen a week ago. I wouldnt mind taking him at all. The best way to get an elite Manning type of QB is at the top of the draft. If Charlie thinks Clausen can be that guy then take him. Worst case senirio is Cassel sucks and we have a great prospect ready to replace him, best case senerio is Cassel improves and then we have two starting caiber QBs on our roster. I would hate to have that problem.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
you cant score points with a shitty offensive line
Pitchers and Catchers report February 17th... And so begins my masochistic addiction.
by averagegatsby on Feb 18, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Time will tell...........
Hey folks, you have to admit this is an awful damn interesting scenario we have here. Can any of you think of another time in NFL history when this type of thing came up or had the possibility of happening?
Is there any of you that truly believe Cassel is worth all them $$$? I think Cassel was to Pioli what the blanket is to Linus. Especially early on when Pioli first took the job.
Either way the rest of the NFL is probably wondering what KC is gonna do too.
I guess the other thought is, How many draft picks that ended up top notch NFL lineman were picked in the later rounds historically?
How many “rookie” QBs stepping up to the next level ever had their college coach they just spent 4 years with waiting for their arrival? Not many teams ever have had the luxury of drafting a truly “known commodity”.
Wasn’t it Haley that made sure Weis came to KC? I’m sure over the time Weis was at ND when he and Haley “talked regulary” they never discussed Jimmy’s abilities or potential at all either. I doubt Charlie ever told him “this kid has the best effin potential I ever seen!”
Nah prolly never happened…………
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
I agree, Cassel didn't show enough last year and if Weis believes in Claussen they have to draft him
Then trade up and draft an ot/c/g at end of rd 1and Chiefs can grab a wildcard
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 11:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Let me get this straight...
Weis, the new Offensive Coordinator, is going to get to use the 1st round pick on a Quarterback, when a year ago, Pioli (The team’s GENERAL MANAGER) traded for a Quarterback in which he personally scouted? The same quarterback who took a good (not great) New England team to an 11-5 record? Get a line in front of Cassel and some receivers who can catch the damn ball, and we’ll be fine.
I don’t care if Clausen is Charlie Weis’ bastard child, and Weis promised Clausen’s dying mother that he would draft him, the Chiefs WILL NOT pickup a QB this draft.
not before the 5th or 6th round..
All bets are off in the very late rounds.
Pitchers and Catchers report February 17th... And so begins my masochistic addiction.
by averagegatsby on Feb 18, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel doesn't get expensive until this year
And may never get above average
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 11:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
NO no no no no
and no. Matt cassell is our man. Not clausen. besides.. todd haley andscott pioli run this team.. not clausen. and trivia question… how many rookie QB’s have won the super bowl?
give up?
NONE
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
whoops
i meant to say haley and pioli run the team not WEIS*
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
How many rookie qb's will be in their 4th year on the same offense
Probably the same answer to your question and how many super bowls Cassel has played in
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 5:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the only way I can see this happening is IF someone were to give us
a high round draft pick for Brodie, then we draft Clausen and let him sit behind Cassel for a couple of years, but I do not see us drafting a QB at #5 when we have SO many other needs on this team
No but trading Bowe for a pick that would net Tate would
What’s the man crush with Cassel?
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 10:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did you see him play last year and see td/int an comp %
Was 70% comp. Before breaking toe. 21/ 6 or so td-int . Better #‘s than Peyton in final year of college. Cassel didn’t start in college. What makes you think Claussen is a downgrade from Cassel?
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 18, 2010 11:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So
Cassel’s numbers last year would have been pretty close to those numbers if it wasnt for the 50+ dropped passes
by badassz1987 on Feb 18, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Nope. What % of dropped passes did you see even in college bowl games?
How do college players drop maybe 10-20% of passes but NFL (Chiefs) players drop 45%? Answer= poor throws by QB. Sorry Matt, you’re terrible. Take you money and get out of town
Im beginnng to wonder if your even really a Chiefs fan
real fans support the players we have not say we need to draft the next HAVE TO HAVE CANT MISS GUY coming out of college, also Claussen went to ND, Cassel USC didnt he, big difference in the 2 schools the last decade, whens the last time ND was a BCS title contender, USC is always a top school when it comes to college football, big difference, pretty sure Claussen wouldnt have been starting at USC either
Should do some research, Why would the #1 ranked senior high school QB who grew up in California and holds the state high school TD and yds record
go to ND instead of USC? Here’s an idea, to play for a OC/HC that was a NFL superbowl-winning OC named Charlie Weis…
How does stating an opinion that I don’t believe Cassel can be a QB that wins the SB not make me a Chiefs fan? Would you say the same thing about the people that weren’t fans of LJ that they were not really a Chiefs fan?
Why would the #1 ranked senior high school QB who grew up in Kentucky and holds the state high school TD and yds record
go to Kentucky instead of ND??? Correlation doesn’t equal causation…
Clausen<Couch
Go Chiefs!!!!
Hee Hee
I love this shit!
Who’s gonna play bookie and hold the money? Somebody said it was a 1% chance we pick Jimmy?
5%?
So, 100 to 1?
95 to 1?
I got $1, $10, $100?
2011 season is going to be sumpin else, hope we all live to see it.
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
oops 99 to 1
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
Numbers
From cfbstats.com (except for Flacco, had to go to ESPN.com to find that loser):
Clausen 2009: 68% 28/4 TD/Int 3722 Yards 161.42 Rating
Tebow 2009: 67.8% 21/5 TD/Int 2895 Yards 164.17 Rating
McCoy 2009: 70.6% 27/12 TD/Int 3521 Yards 147.41 Rating
Bradford 2008: 67.9% 50/8 TD/Int 4720 Yards 180.84 Rating
Stafford 2008: 61.4% 25/10 TD/Int 3459 Yards 153.54 Rating
Sanchez 2008: 65.8% 35/10 TD/Int 3207 Yards 164.65 Rating
Ryan 2007: 59.3% 31/19 TD/Int 4507 Yards 127.04 Rating
Flacco 2007: 63.5% 23/5 TD/Int 4263 Yards 144.91 Rating
Brennan 2007: 70.4% 38/17 TD/Int 4343 Yards 159.84 Rating
The path to Victory is made of losers.
Just curious
Compare Clausen & Tebow
Clausen has 7 to 1 td to int ratio and almost 1000 more yards compared to just over 4 to 1 for Tebow and has a lower rating? What am I missing here?
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
((8.4 x yards) + (330 x TD) + (100 x Comp) - (200 x Int)) / Attempts
is the college formula. TDs are a lot more important than yards, and it’s all about number of attempts (efficiency).
The path to Victory is made of losers.
... or just for fun compare Clausen to Couch's stats.
Tim Couch 71.5 % completion 38 TD/ 17 int 4617 Yards.
Couch had less talent to work with than Tebow, Clausen, McCoy, Stafford, or Sanchez… and he was a bust in the NFL.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Cassel leaving???
To point out the intangibles,(1) Denver does need a QB, and coveted Cassel.(2) This draft is extremely talented for the early rounds.(3) The Coaches may like Croyle to become a starter,possibly even not drafting Clausen, but instead getting a top OL with Denvers pick,(but probably also giving the low 2nd or high 3rd, to compensate Denvers 1st draft choice.) Remember, Haley has mentioned MANY times the team would look at all avenues to improve.Its has always been, that a team that “targets” a specific player, can find ways to acquire him. So I wouldn’t rule out the possibility. BPA is somewhat over-used. If avail. they do need to draft Berry with the #5 pick tho.
It's all about what the Coaches believe in.
If Haley & Co. believe Croyle can provide the Chiefs with the skills as their QB, I say go ahead and pull the trigger. If Denver gives-up their 1st, and the Chiefs gives them Cassel and their last #2 pick, But I wouldn’t draft Clausen tho, so to me, it all hinges on Croyle status. With that said, any scenario at the #5 pick with either getting Berry,(my preference) Okung, McClain or trading down would be an instant upgrade. Maybe the Chiefs are targeting a certain player at Denvers slot, McClain,Bulaga,Bryant or Davis, that will be another huge upgrade as well. Then use the early 2nd round pick on an pass rushing OLB (Kindle,Sapp etc).
why would they draft claussen?
Seriously? They gave Cassell how much money? no way do they draft claussen unless, they can trade Cassell to Seatle for theyre 1st (14) and 4th, trade down to the bills for theyre 1st (8) and 4th. Draft claussen with theyre first pick, hope to grab Dez Bryant or Eric Berry or rolaindo mcclain. or they trade Cassel to Denver for: Brandon Marshall, 3rd and 5th (or if they can maybe get a 2nd and 4th) draft Claussen, pick up a good tackle in FA and try and get peppers or dansby.
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