Pioli Says Chiefs Will 'Absolutely' Keep Dorsey, DJ
by Joel Thorman on Feb 17, 2010 1:00 PM CST
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PrintTwo names on the Kansas City Chiefs roster keep popping up in trade rumors: DE Glenn Dorsey and LB Derrick Johnson.
Dorsey because of his perceived struggles in the transition to a defensive end and Johnson because of his lack of playing time in 2009 and the perception that he was in Todd Haley's doghouse.
Chiefs GM Scott Pioli said on NBC-41 last night that, as of now, trading either player isn't in the cards.
"I saw Glenn actually play better this year than he did in his rookie year," he said. "Not only in my opinion, but every coach on the staff. He improved in year two, which is when you usually see a significant jump."
Dorsey's name has been thrown about recently because of some words Detroit Lions defensive coordinator said recently.
As for Johnson, Pioli said they "have every intent" of keeping him in a Chiefs uniform next year. Depending on the labor agreement, he's scheduled to be a restricted free agent which means the Chiefs can retain his services rather cheaply.
Of course, Pioli is a smart man and understands that if he says they're interested in trading either player their value would plummet.
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Definitely think we should keep Dorsey
like the article says, he got alot better in year 2. I could see keeping DJ for the right price..but if he’s not going to start for us, I think he should go somewhere else (say Detroit). I like DJ but he’s very inconsistent.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 17, 2010 1:07 PM CST reply actions
Man...don't start with the Retart again....I fear for my health and the effects of intense laughter....
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Feb 18, 2010 2:05 AM CST up reply actions
Way to space out the quotes from the interview today Joel.
I don’t know about this one. As you note at the end, it could mean something, could just be Pioli posturing. Ohh well.
exactly!
A ploy by the Godfather himself. “We love Dorsey, we love Dj.” “Oh you wanna give us your 2nd round pick Detroit? ok sure, I guess we can part with Dorsey. You want to give us your 3rd rounder for Dj? hmmm. well I guess we’ll take your draft pick.”
And then he ptes his cat on his lap and chuckles that chuckle all sneaky, brilliant leaders chuckle. “Mwuuuhaahaahaahaaa!”
But, not sure it’ll happen, that defense would be too young!
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
And you would have just given away 2 former first round picks
for a 2nd and a 3rd.
So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.
touche Saint and no way in hell do we trade Dorsey even for a 2nd..
I see DJ staying unless we can get a sercond preferably the Lions 2nd because it would be a very high 2nd
DJ for the lions 2nd would be awesome....I would make the deal yesterday.
Now if we could trade Dorsey to…say…the falcons for their 1st…I would be all for that too. Trade Dorsey then roll the dice on Dunlap.
by MasterBlaster7 on Feb 17, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
madden strikes again!
eff that noise.
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by Buck'O on Feb 17, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
dorsey is sill worth his first
not sure about DJ any more
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
You would give up Dorsey for a 2nd?!
Are you mad?!
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by Scaryclouds on Feb 17, 2010 2:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would trade Dorsey for a 2nd.....only if....
It was draft day 2…we were into the 2nd…and Dunlap was still on the board….you would just get Dunlap cheaper that way.
by MasterBlaster7 on Feb 17, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yes and no
I think they like Dorsey and will keep him. I think it is posturing for DJ. I am sure they would listen to real offers for DJ.
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The Lions really gotta be looking at two DT's right now
and asking themselves who would they rather have – McCoy or Dorsey? If Suh’s available it doesn’t matter, but if he’s 1st off the board I wonder who draft experts think is/was the better 4-3 tackle coming out of college – McCoy or Dorsey?
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 17, 2010 1:13 PM CST reply actions
That's a tough one
Dorsey, other than his lack of height, probably had the better strength and motor, while McCoy has better moves.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Dorsey
Wasn’t he like the most honored defensive player in NCAAF history?
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I do think KC could keep him, and it's not based on his college accolades
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Not most honored ever
But he did win a lot of the major awards for linemen and defensive players.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Dorsey
We all forget Dorsey was the unanimous best DT since Warren Sapp (or so say the pundits). He was projected to go first overall for the entire year leading up to the draft but Miami went with the OT and the rest played out.
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by craig in calgary on Feb 17, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Only trade I would make with Dorsey.
Vince Wilfork & a 3rd round pick from our friends the Patriots.
Wait...
You’d want Wilfork AND a 3rd for Dorsey? That’s just dreaming. If anything, it’d be Dorsey plus picks for Wilfork.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Considering Wilfork has established himself...
And Dorsey has proven very little that would be a steal.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Feb 17, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know
Wilfork is 29 and with the beating that NT’s take, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him start declining within 3-4 years…Dorsey should have at least 7 more productive seasons.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Maybe, but Wilfork's still one of a small handful of elite players at NT
While Dorsey hasn’t really proven himself at the NFL level yet. Vince Wilfork’s value is far, far higher than Dorsey’s.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Just to say. I don't want to trade him period.
I would only consider a NT as trade bait for Dorsey.. Wilfork is our only option IMO. I knew the 3rd round pick would raise a few eyebrows. Otherwise I’m content to keep Dorsey as I strongly feel this will be his breakout year.
by ChiefsChance on Feb 17, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Because he's a strong enough player to be either a penetrating tackle or a big end
Which begs the question of why KC would want to get rid of him for pennies on the proverbial dollar.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
That's another big thing
Dorsey can also take on the full responsibilities of a two- or three-technique tackle if an end comes in and covers him up. And that’s why I’d like McClain. This is starting to sound almost playstationish, which is something I hate seeing on message boards (it’s far too common, and unrealistic), but Hali could put his hand in the dirt on the line to cover up Dorsey, and McClain has everything one could want to move outside behind Hali. Poof, 4-3 look.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think we can afford to deal away players
who may become NFL stalwarts. Dorsey is still developing and may yet be an absolute beast of a d-lineman. Last year I said it was a “do or die” year for both Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson. I was very roundly criticized for doing so but as it turned out I was exactly right. Tamba made the transition to his new position and has earned the right to stay on this team. Johnson was less spectacular, but despite previously spotty play has earned his right to be part of this team as well. If Johnson had turned in a half-assed performance, he would be on his way out without question.
I would like this trade but its out there..
We get Detroits first pick and Detroit gets Dorsey, DJ and our atlanta pick… I’d do it if Suh fell to 2.. Then we get SUH and BERRY..
That’s just a dream that will never happen..
I just dont get trading a guy
like Dorsey who already is learning the system to turn around and draft a player to replace him with a top 5 pick…Just doesnt make sense to me…
It makes sense...
in the idea that Dorsey is not ideal for Crennel’s scheme. Suh or McCoy would be perfect. Your telling me if Detroit, whose number 1 need in the draft is a LT, wants Dorsey for a swap in the 1st and their 2nd your not at least tempted? I’m taking that deal in a heartbeat to be honest with you. I think Dorsey + Okung for Suh + K Wilson is a pretty sweet deal.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Feb 17, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Why are those guys perfect, but Dorsey isn't?
They’re both around 6’3" as opposed to Dorsey’s 6’0.5" or 6’1", but otherwise they’re not clearly better players for the scheme.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Boy I hope not.
I don’t care if Suh was there he is not worth Dorsey, DJ and a pick near the top 50.
Suh is not worth
Dorsey, DJ, and a 2nd round pick. Not even close. Suh is a phenomenonal player, he could be a fantastic 3-4 DE, but I don’t think he will be that much better than Dorsey if at all.
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by Scaryclouds on Feb 17, 2010 2:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I Love Scott Pioli!!
Ooops, did I say that out aloud? I mean that dude is just awesome!
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"Defense Wins Championships"
Suh is not worth Dorsey
period. DT even dominant ones need time to acclimate to the NFL game. Suh for Dorsey would set us back 2-3 years,
I'm with tomahawk on this one
starting over with another rookie DE would be a setback…
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
Particularly if you have to pay him a top 5 salary
Most of Dorsey’s contract has already been paid…Suh might end up being better, but I doubt he’d be so much better that he’s worth the extra millions. Now if he could be a dominant NT, that would be nice.
Predictions:
This year will be better
They are both gone people, accept it
…and KC WILL trade two d-linemen in the first 3rounds and it is going to be alright.
Dorsey isnt going anywhere
DJ could be signed then traded but Dorsey is going to be wearing an arrowhead on his helmet for awhile
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Accept it?
What possible evidence could you have? Is this just your opinion, or is there some reason to speak of it as though it’s a foregone conclusion?
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
All players are expendable
3 yrs from now we are going to hear some of the same people still waiting for Dorsey to step up. He’s playing out of position. period. I’d take a 2nd for him because of the $$$. We’d be nuts to to trade him and dj for a hypothetical detroit top 5 pick. Too expensive to have two top 5 picks. Madness.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
Dorsey already has stepped up
Just because hes not making tons of sacks doesnt mean hes not doing well. Read this its a comparison on the best 3-4 DEs on all the 3-4 d’s last season
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/1/7/1239980/glenn-dorsey-then-and-now
Did you really just...
…try to back up your support of Dorsey by telling us to read a report on dorsey written by a Chiefs fan? silly.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
yeah you can
our offense sucks butt! His stats could be padded 10-15 tackles becasue our defense is always on the field.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
wow weak
argue a defensive players stats because our offense blows…okay?
Take the cleveland game for instance look at how much worse the run d was without Dorsey playing hes a big part of our d and needs to stay there we need to focus on LBs.
yes he did
but the stats show that without him in the Cleveland game we got pushed around, the other 11 games he was plugging holes, rerouting RB’s, that were slipping past our LB’s
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
yup sure did
and like you said our offense blows right? Whats games lost have to do with the amount of rushing yards our d is giving up?
i'm back and...
..i’m so sad! I just reviewed the first 6 weekk and had to stop. It was too hard to look at! The memoires are painful. 1 win vs Redskins. Now some stats…Stats dont lie remember…
wk1 Ray Rice 108 on 19 carries. McGahee 2 tds
wk 2 raiders. A loss. Not big stats stand out rushing
wk 3 McCoy(rookie) 84 and td on 20 carries. Pass def killed us too.
wk 4 Giants Jacobs 92 on 20 carries
wk 5 Cowboys TChoice (3rd stringer!) 92 and a td on 8 carries!
wk 6 Redskins Portis 109 on 15 carries
I stopped after week 6. Couldnt look any more. Too hard.
Not sure Dorsey was changing games with clogging up lanes to help lbs make tackles. But we did have a lot of bad tacklin gthis yr. I do remeber our safeties missing tackles.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
focus on LB's and a NT
then we will see Dorsey and T-Jax both improve
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Dorsey is the best KC D-limeman...
…and he is woefully out of position not not what they need in the position. He’s maxed out there.
If its Detroits...
I also want a swap in the 1st.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Feb 17, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Why would we draft another "best DT in his class"...
When we already have one here who has 2 years of experience under his belt.
Dorsey’s position is set. Now we need T-Jax to step up and get ourselves a kick ass NT. We will be just fine with Dorsey playing exactly where he is.
Because
Suh projects to play a 3-4 DE as well as a 4-3 DT. Dorsey only projected to play a 4-3 DT. Suh provides much more of a prototypical size of what you would look for in a 3-4 DE.
hmm he would be a 3-4 DE in the NFL
sounds like he would be out of position to me? That is what you said about Dorsey right?
didnt Bewsaf or someone
do a post a while ago with pictures of the push from the front 3 with Dorsey and then without Dorsey in the Cleveland game? The post clearly put the other 11 losses on the LB’s for not stopping the RB’s, and the Cleveland game on the line and LB’s because everyone got pushed around.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
maybe so
but at the college level, next year will be Dorsey’s 2nd year playing the 3-4 and he did okay in his first year, give it some time and let us put other pieces around him. Dont just think we should dump the guy because he doesnt fit the scheme, he is a professional athlete, he will adjust and he will play here next year. Crennel is going to spend extra time with him at camp guaranteed with our new NT and McClain and get that front 7 deadly.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
what experience??? in college?? dorsey has proved us he can play in the NFL and significantly improved in his 2nd season even some say he plays out of his position....
Are we going to give up one of the best player because of his height? Dorsey is a football player man….size doesn’t matter what matter is his heart. He shows he is willing to learn the system and I personally think he translate it well in his play…
by 72chiefs on Feb 17, 2010 5:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How do you figure?
Pelini hasn’t been running a 3-4 at Nebraska. Were you under the impression that he does?
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
give him time
he will adjust and with a better NT he will get better results
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
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And I’m glad we can have these talks. I have no one else to talk to. My wife? nope? my friends are Raiders, Packers, ne and Rams fans. Thanks for listening to me vent my concerns, not trying to attack aynone and their views.
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KC Chiefs Fan
yea man its all good
that is why we are Chiefs fans and come here, good lively debate. No one is getting personal just having a convo. Im for us keeping Dorsey and developing him more instead of trading him away and watching him in the pro bowl with someone else. :)
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Dorsey...
doesn’t fit. Period. The reason he is doing somewhat good now is because he what he was hyped to be. However, he has basically hit a ceiling playing a 5 technique. The guy will never be able to get to the QB in this system, I am sorry. If Dorsey is next Warren Sapp, I think Suh is the next Seymour. He would be able to get to the QB as a 5-tech, which is huge for Crennel’s system. Richard Seymour had more to do with the Pats first superbowl run than Tom Brady. And I like Dorsey. Its not fair to him or his career playing a position he was never meant to play. There is good reason for 5-techs being ideally 6’4" and taller. They need it for leverage, which is everything. Dorsey may be able to handle his own to stop the run, but like I said before he’s not going to be batting down any passes or sacking the QB.
I agree tha he doesnt fit now
and I have his jersey. Im frustrated by the defensive change but I understand why it occured.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
Seymour wasn't nearly as disruptive at Georgia as Suh was at Nebraska
Suh made his living crushing the pocket. Seymour did not. Quite different players coming out of college, truth be told.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
My point was...
that Suh has Seymour like potential at the next level. Who knows maybe even greater.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Feb 17, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
exactly "who knows"
maybe even less?
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
And sacking the QB isn't the role of the 3-4 end
By the way, height isn’t nearly as much for leverage as for arm reach for 3-4 tackles, and usually taller guys have longer arms. However, Dorsey has a somewhat disproportionate wingspan (more in line with what one would expect of a 6’3"-6’4" guy), which helps compensate for his lack of actual height.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry about the threepeat of posts, but another thing is the 5-technique issue
Dorsey won’t play it; Jackson will. When it’s time to line up, Jackson will line up between the tackle and tight end. Dorsey will be completely the other end of the line. I don’t think it’s likely KC will go to using dual 5-techniques.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
Touche...
but I still don’t think Dorsey has the “long” look or whatever you want to call it to play the postion, he is more “stout”. And I know 3-4 DE don’t get to the QB like the rush LBs, or 4-3 lineman. However, it sure as hell doesn’t hurt when they do get pressure on the signal caller. I mean when you have a guy thats not suppose to get to the QB getting to the QB, it gives your opponents match up nightmares.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Feb 17, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Well yeah, that's definitely the ideal situation
As long as the guy also holds up his responsibility of keeping the offensive lineman off the rush linebacker, and in the case of the 5-tech end, keeping the TE off as well, then getting sacks is the sweetest icing.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 17, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
How do you know what his ceiling is and...
how can you possibly say that he has hit it??? He has only had one year in this system and 2 years in the league and he played very well compared to other 3-4 DEs in the league. He may not have the height but he has the arms of a Gorilla and the long arms give him the same leverage as a taller DE would have.
With all the positions that need to be filled, I don’t understand why people want to create new holes when there are perfectly dependable players already there. Dorsey is a core member of this team. He’s not going anywhere…at least not for a long while.
Agreed.
At some point (2 first round picks) you have to stay pat with your DL for a year or two and address other needs. I correlate this to cell phones. Some people just have to have the newest, best, latest technology on the shelf instead of using what they have for a while. Don’t drop the coin for the last iphone when you need a new heater in your home.
Dorsey and Jackson may never be Thomas and Smith, but they aren’t terrible by any means and should get better. Our draft focus needs to move to other areas.
by BinSC on Feb 17, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
i agree, we may be unfairly judgeing our front 3 because of the Defenses of the past. Give them some time and lets rebuild other portions of the roster that are completely thin. We have several glaring holes on the offensive side of the ball, lets take a few early picks and shore those up, and ride out what we have on the D-line for now (with some help from a FA NT)
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
however
if you can manage to get suh, whom i believe will be as good as dorsey, and the lions 2nd we could then send the falcons 2nd to the pats for wilfork.
suh wilfork t-jax thats not bad
dorsey will be fine
his job isn’t to get to the quarterback, its mainly stopping the run. He is going to accel even more this year adding a better nosetackle and Romeo showing him the ropes. Even though in our system the linebackers will be the ones getting to the quarterback, I expect dorsey to get at least 5 sacks this year.
by Dbezzan on Feb 17, 2010 4:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Damage Control 101
and really, I must ask those that support DJ if they watch the ENTIRE game…I have a friend who is a charger fan, hes seen DJ make plays and knew I had purchased his jersey his rookie year…we went to the game and he asked why I was so hard on DJ…DJ made this amazing leap over a guy and nail the QB type of play…but my friend then spent the rest of the game watching DJ miss tackles, get beat in coverage, and be possibly the most inconsistent linebacker on either team….I think anyone can see his big plays and say LOOK! INT’s! TD’s!…I say….90 percent of the time the guy is nowhere near a good player…he won’t be a chief in MY opinion…we will see
but to me, this is gunther damage control
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson=
as for dorsey, I honestly don't know enough about the 3-4 to judge how well a 3-4 end is playing especially when the NT gets double teamed rarely.
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson=
you said it right there
the NT should be taking up two blockers, but ours rarely was, freeing the other up to block Dorsey
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Dorsey will surprise many!
Apparently many of you think Dorsey will not be successful because of him playing out of position. I disagree whole-heartedly. Playing in his first season in a 3-4 defense he showed improvement over his rookie season when he played in a 4-3. That speaks to the type of athlete the guy is. He will learn at the feet of Romeo and will develop into a solid if not spectacular 3-4 d-end.
agreed
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
I hope so
He was drafted by the old regime so I dont see new managment having deep ties with Dorsey. I just wouldnt be surprised if he is moved. I agree that these def linemen take a few yrs to develop. Absolutely, but you’d be crazy to not listen to offers. Raiders blew their first rounder in 2011 for Seymour. Pats had to do the trade. No choice. I’m just speculating but what if a team like the Colts with pick #31 wanted dorsey or Lions wanted dorsey with pick # 34?
I think a player like Wooten out of Northwestern would take a couple yrs to develop although he is a prototype 3-4 de. But Suh? Suh is special. He will make an impact immediately. He’s a man. Those players come along rarely.
Now DJ, he frustrates us with his on and off play. Why does this happen? Is he seriously taking plays off? Haley benched him this yr, I believe he started less than 5 games. I hope it lights a fire under his butt! The way the last game of the season ended, DJ could have woke up from his hibernation, let’s hope.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
DJ is just...
inherently a finesse player. He has the ability to make incredible game changing plays with his athletic ability. However, he lacks the discipline of being able to do the fundamentals of his job. They used him in the right situations this year. I think they will try and move him for sure.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Feb 17, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
This is Pioli just playing the game
do you really think he is gunna tip his hand one way or the other, just cuz he said they are staying doesnt mean anything. I believe they will both be traded but it will take more than just one 2nd round pick for Dorsey.
I was just wondering something
after reading thru these comments and people saying that it would be ridiculous to trade Dorsey.
Dorsey played ok this year but didnt put up good stats. He was learning a new defense, he didnt have much help around him, he is making $50+ million and he was a #5 pick but people are ok with that and say that we need to give him another year to see what he can do.
Cassel played ok this year but didnt put up good stats. He was learning a new offense, he didnt have much help around him, he is making $50+ million and he was a 7th round pick and people are ready to run him out of town already.
So I guess I am just wondering, both guys were in pretty much the exact same situation but Cassel was a 7th round pick and Dorsey was the #5 pick, so why are people willing to give Dorsey another season but peopel are not willing to give Cassel another season.
I for one am willing to give them both next season to see what they can do but I would think people would be harder on Dorsey than Cassel seeing as he is the one that was a 1st round pick.
I would keep both
and continue building the defense
Hali, Dorsey, Jackson, Flowers, DJ and hopefully Page and Carr are pieces to a very good defense, IMO
Add a NT, and at least one more LB…
and keep everyone else in place and improving
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
oh yeah and Nate Allen!
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Feb 18, 2010 4:54 AM CST up reply actions
unless Pioli can get a hell of a stock pile of draft picks for them
I say keep them both another year and see what they can do with a real DC to coach them
Trading Dorsey would be assinine.
Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain
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