Who Will Romeo Crennel Target in the Draft and Free Agency?
A few weeks ago, I talked a little bit about Charlie Weis' system and the type of players he'll likely target in free agency and the draft. This week, I wanted to focus on Romeo Crennel's defense because I think there's a misperception that all 3-4 Defenses are built alike.
Note: I'm mostly going to shy away from making predictions about who the Chiefs are going to draft or pick up in free agency. I want to instead focus on the kinds of players the Chiefs will focus on. If you want to create mock drafts based on this analysis, then fire away.
While 3-4 defenses play fairly similar styles of defense, the philosophies are very different. That's especially true in the front 3. Let's go into a little more depth.
The system that Romeo Crennel will undoubtedly bring to Kansas City is the Fairbanks-Bullough system, the same system Bill Belichick has run in New England for years. What really distinguishes this system from a lot of other 3-4's is the focus on enormous defensive linemen. Their linemen play 2-gap defense. That's a stark contrast to a scheme like Wade Phillips' in Dallas, where the linemen play a lot of 1-gap. And unlike Dick Lebeau's zone blitz defense in Pittsburgh, Crennel's linemen aren't expected to be multi-dimensional DEs who can pass rush as well as cover. That helps explain why a player like Tyson Jackson was not on Pittsburgh or Dallas' radar, but was on Cleveland's.It's also important to note that Romeo's defense has a reputation for being a "bend don't break" defense. They're going to give up some small plays, they're going to keep the opposing offense off the field, but they're not going to give up a lot of big plays and they're going to keep large scores off the board and make big plays when they count. That's a scary concept, given that Chiefs' fans have dealt with a "bend then snap-in-half" defense for years, but it's a reality we'll have to deal with.
Today, I'll focus on what I earmark as Romeo's lesser priorities.
Defensive End: The lone responsibility of a Defensive End in Crennel's system is to play 2-gap defense. That's why it doesn't matter if Tyson Jackson is a below average pass rusher--he's not expected to be. That's why it doesn't matter if Glenn Dorsey can't cover--he won't ever have to do that
At 3-4 DE, the Chiefs are actually in a decent place. They took a lot of flack for drafting Tyson Jackson and maybe they reached for him, but it's pretty clear that he's the type of DE that fits right in for this defense. His primary job is to occupy blockers. Granted, some critics would suggest that a defense that relies on DEs who aren't playmakers is a bit outdated. I don't know the answer to that. Maybe it is and maybe that's part of the reason that the Patriots haven't dominated on defense as they did in the early 2000s. But it's clear that this is the path the Chiefs are going to take, so again, all we can do is cross our fingers and hope for the best.
Inside Linebackers: Last year, I was very opposed to the Chiefs drafting Aaron Curry and I still stand by that opposition. I frankly think the ILB position is a lot easier to fill and slightly less important in value than a lot of other key positions. I've heard some people suggest that Romeo Crennel and the Patriots love athletic linebackers. Yes, but mostly at the Outside LB position, which is a completely different animal. Look at some of the players they've plugged into that ILB position over the years. Gary Guyton? An over-the-hill Junior Seau? I might even argue that if you put Tedy Bruschi in any other scheme, he wouldn't look all that great. Apart from Jerod Mayo is a bit of an exception. Other than Mayo, most of the ILBs the Patriots have played have been smart, instinctive players who aren't going to wow you with their talent.
From that end, I think a guy like Rolando McClain will lose a lot of positional value going into the draft in a Crennel-run 3-4. You need a guy with athleticism and you need a player that's smart, but I just don't think it's that difficult to find a good linebacker later in the draft who possesses those same skill sets. Arguably, a lot of 4-3 defenses are going to be looking for extremely multi-dimensional MLBs like McClain who have a complete skill set. In a 3-4, you can have a tough attacking "role playing" ILB and another coverage "role playing" ILB. You don't necessarily have to pay a premium for a LB who can do it all.
The Chiefs' ILBs will fare much better with a Nose Tackle who takes on the 2-3 blockers he's supposed to take on (Ron Edwards typically took up one blocker, and not even that well). Less blockers at the second level, less blockers occupying our ILBs. Pretty simple equation. And as the Chiefs' young DEs mature, the Linebackers won't be asked to nearly as much. So our ILBs will be upgraded as the Defensive Line matures and improves.
I personally don't see how Derrick Johnson fits into this defense. If I'm looking for a 3-4 ILB, I'm looking for a guy who has the toughness to shed blocks in run support first and the smarts to be in the right spots at the right time second. I look for athleticism third. DJ is very weak on both the first two points, which is why I believe he's fallen out of favor with the Chiefs' coaches. I just don't see the Chiefs jumping through hoops to protect him. Mays, on the other hand, is a decent attacker and moderately smart, but his athleticism is way below where it needs to be. I see Mays as a role player moving forward, if he isn't phased out entirely. That leaves Crennel with Jovan Belcher and Demorrio Williams. I see Belcher as a souped up version of Mays and Williams as a less athletic version of DJ, but at least Demorrio won't make many mistakes. Both definitely have a place in this defense and I think they could serve well as stopgaps. I question whether they're both undersized given that the Patriots' defenses in the past have typically relied on 240-250+ lb'ers. The Chiefs could use two new starters, but in the short-term, they can survive just fine with one major upgrade or two mild upgrades. I see Romeo treating this as more of a luxury position than a position of priority.
Cornerback: This is a position I was a bit on the fence about because I'm not entirely sure what to think of Brandon Carr at this point in his career. But for now, I think I can comfortably say that cornerback is not a major priority. In my next post, I'll talk a little bit about why a nickel back is an absolute priority and why that might actually put Joe Haden in play, but as for our starters, I'm going to lean into saying we're fine.
Stay tuned for more later in the week....
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I think it’s safe to say we need a NT, badly!! I hope the Chiefs target a premier NT in FA, our defense will improve automatically with talent in the middle.
Re: NT
I’ll get to that tomorrow.
Ron Edwards was getting single-teamed. Nose Tackles usually take on 2-3 blockers.
It’s pretty common sense. If you’re an Inside Linebacker and your Nose Tackle lets 1-2 blockers through to you consistently, that’s going to make your job a whole lot more difficult.
I contend that NT is the single greatest need on the entire team
Can’t wait to see what you have to say about it. ;)
Will you also be covering safety?
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Hopefully you'll list some NT that might be available in FA tomorrow
From what I’ve seen, Pickett wants to stay (re-sign) in GB, NE won’t let Wilfork go unless it’s via trade, and I saw today that the 49ers are going to slap the franchise tag on Franklin. Does that leave any NT to target in free agency? If that happens I can see the Chiefs making a run at Dansby and maybe even Peppers and drafting D. Williams@#5 in the draft to play NT
GB can afford to keep Pickett and Raji?
I was hoping they’d let Pickett walk. I thought he was our best shot for a FA NT.
If he really stays in GB then hopefully, either the Hampton or Wilfork deals go sour.
I get really nervous about waiting for Terrance Cody to drop to our 2a pick.
Alright girls everyone write down your secret nose tackle crushes!
How much upside does Dan Williams have?
At 326 he’s big enough to play NT but I still have the images of him getting shut down by Sergio Render (who I think would make a great Chief) in my head.
If we ended up HAVING to draft a NT, I know Williams is a safer bet than Cody but in my mind Cody has better potential and with Crennel on staff, I like potential.
Can anyone talk me into liking Dan Williams? Please?
After you asked this
I decided I would go watch the one game I have on my DVR with Williams in it, the Alabama vs. Tennessee game from this year, since I can’t claim to know much abt him, having not seen many of his games.
Of course, one game is not a good indicator of a players skill or potential, but it can at least shed some light.
Against Bama, Dan Williams wasn’t really a huge factor. He lined up in a 3-tech a lot, but also on the nose. In either spot, he seemed pretty quick off the ball and adept at staying on his feet, which is very important for a 3-4 lineman, but he never seemed to play with the kind of power you need out of nose guard. He was fairly consistently pushed out of the hole, one on one, in the run game, and also didn’t demand double teams in the middle on passing plays. He was very active and showed good lateral agility and feet for a big guy and was in on a lot of tackles, but often he was the last guy there. Its good that he stays after the play to the whistle, but he just seemd to lack something when trying to locate the ball quickly.
I honestly think, because of his quickness off the snap and good balance, he looks to be more of a 3-technique in a 4-3 or a 3-4 DE, but doesn’t seem to have the strength to be a two-gap nose tackle.
From watching the Senior Bowl, the only other time I’ve seen him this year, he definitely has a lot of talent, but not the kind geared toward what the Chiefs are most likely looking for at the nose.
by alakan81 on Feb 10, 2010 1:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
thanks for the analysis
Wiliams didnt’ impress me either, from watching games of him.
Honestly, Cody is the class of this group, weight issues and all.
He doesn’t have to be more than a 2 down player, and he can get in a lot better shape during OTAs… I’d take him in the 2nd round, no problem.
I also liked Troup, as did Romeo, from the East West Shrine game… watch for him in the 3rd-5th rounds
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
ILB is a necessity IMO
It’s your run stoppers, your main guys covering the middle on short routes, your guys pretty much doing everything.
They need to be the smartest, most athletic, and surest of all the positions.
Our run defense was terrible…it falls a lot on LB’s. Not all but most.
The dline are to hold blockers and allow the lb’s to make the play. If they can’t hold the blockers the lb’s have to shed those blockers to make the play, no excuse.
Our most pressing need is Rolando McClain. He is the run stopping defensive quarterback. He is by far the most talented of ILB in the draft. You can’t get value like him by waiting until later rounds.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 10, 2010 8:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Agreed..
Not to mention he has been starting at the ILB position in a 3-4 since his freshman year.. You cannot overstate how huge it is to get a student of the game like him.. He knows where everybody in front of him and behind him needs to be.. He was making all the adjustment calls for the entire defense, thats just impressive for such a young player.. You put a legit NT in front of Rolando McClain and he will be the DROY in 2010..
Yes thank you!
He is in a league of his own and I think Pioli and Crennel can see that.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 10, 2010 9:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Your right
My blinders focus on elite talent like McClain….all the other stuff is blocked out. So thanks for noticing my Talent Blinders…wanna borrow them?
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 10, 2010 9:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand this whole "blinders" thing
I think if you’re focusing too much on what position a guy plays, rather than how good of a football player he is. I’m not saying McClain is going to be the next Seau, but if, in 8 years, McClain is a perennial All-Pro inside or middle linebacker, he will have easily lived up to the #5 overall pick.
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by PVChiefsfan on Feb 10, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Re: ILB
I disagree. Romeo is going to get a LOT of mileage out of his Defensive Linemen. If Jackson and Dorsey play very well (which they should), and they bring in a legit Nose Tackle (which they will), then the ILBs don’t have to do a ton of shedding blocks. They don’t have to be freakish athletes. Their primary responsibility is to be smart enough to be in the right spots and to shoot the right gaps. You don’t need an all-world LB to do that. There are going to be a half-billion very smart LBs who aren’t athletic enough to be versatile 4-3 LBs. Again, look at what New England has done at the ILB position. They have an undrafted rookie in Guyton starting now and they had an over-the-hill player in Seau patrolling the position. In many 3-4’s, you even go down a further level. You get one guy who attacks but can’t cover and another guy who can cover but can’t attack.
You pay big bucks and spend a high draft for smart, athletic, versatile linebackers. In a 3-4, you don’t need the versatility nearly as much. And in many cases, you don’t bring in standout athletes.
I’m not opposed to bringing in McClain. I’m just making the point that he has a lot less positional value as a 3-4 ILB as he would as a 4-3 LB.
Then why draft Mayo at 10th overall
If Pioli had your mindset he would have never drafted Mayo that high
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 10, 2010 10:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That team had just come off a 16-0 regular season
And was one win away from a perfect season. Jon’s saying that since we have so many other pressing needs on this team to create an effective 3-4, less than stellar ILB’s will do while the most important parts get shored up.
Mayo’s a helluva LB, but that was a team that could take BPA and not worry about any holes to fill.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 10, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
No way
My point is that LB IS the most pressing need. A big oline eating NT can be had later, none of them are worth a top 5 pick. Cody could probably be had in 2nd round.
Linebackers like McClain don’t come around too often. He is a guy you build around.
Obviously Pioli picked Tyson Jackson when we could have just been fine with a FA 34 DE like Igor Oshansky.
McClain defines what Haley and Pioli are looking for. You guys are ignoring this fact.
Saying NE got by with mediocre LB doesn’t mean we will…plus NE had Bruschi Vrabel Seau AThomas Johnson and others who were really awesome LB’s. Way better than Williams and Mays.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 10, 2010 10:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And my point is thus:
We don’t know what’s worth a top 5 pick right now, nor do we know what our team needs will be when we get there.
Let’s say Cody has a helluva combine and shows up looking great. He catapults into the top 10-15. Due to various reasons, let’s say we can’t net a NT in FA. All of the sudden, it’s not the reach that everyone perceived it was. In that case, our #1 need (NT) is satisfied by a guy who’s now projected to be in the upper half of the first round.
Lots will happen between now and then. Saying someone “isn’t worth the Top 5 pick” at this point is fruitless. Both Raji and Tyson Jackson shot up draft charts as it approached. At this time last year, TJ was a late-second prospect at best. Every year, there’s a LB (or two, or three) that everyone falls in love with about this time of year and they shoot up the charts. After the combine and all the FA stuff shakes out, most of them fall down the charts again.
I like McClain. I think he’s in a position of less need right now. It’s like drafting a QB without a solid LT. Without a good NT, it really doesn’t matter who’s back there.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 10, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Ok
I will agree to disagree on this. Too many variables at this point.
FA will change everything. Plus our other pressing needs might not be so come draft time.
I’m sticking with McClain but both arguments are dead based on the unknown that will happen before the draft takes place.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 10, 2010 10:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly.
And I don’t know that we’re “agreeing to disagree” necessarily. My long-winded, sometimes-winding point was that we can’t know what we need yet, so it’s hard to say who we should draft. =)
On the other side of the coin I flipped above, we could net a stud NT in FA, grab a nice pass rusher there, too, and draft the stud ILB. That’s looking at it completely positively. You just can’t know until it happens.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 10, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
History is obviously the best indicator
So, as you have said, it doesn’t seem likely that Romeo or the Chiefs front office will look to invest top 5, or even necessarily first round, money on an ILB.
I disagree, however, that having a (potentially) dominant, versatile player at ILB in a 3-4 is of less value than in a 4-3. Or, actually, I would say it allows the defense to be more multiple. I’m not sure what Crennel’s preferred nickel and dime fronts are, but having a guy that can stay on the field and excel in your base 3-4 set, a 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 or 2-4-5 or 1-5-5 nickel set, and a 4-1-6 or 3-2-6 or 2-3-6 or 1-4-6 dime set, and also have the mental ability to direct the players around, I think such an ILB would be just as valuable as a 4-3 MLB.
I’m not saying McClain is the only player available that can do this, I’m just saying ANY 3-4 ILB you get that many snaps out of, performing at a high level, is of high value to a defense.
by alakan81 on Feb 10, 2010 10:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also, the strength of a 3-4 is in unpredictability
One attacking ILB and one coverage ILB makes it easier to identify where the blitz will come from. Having ILBs that can do both makes setting up pass protection much more difficult. Hali is more of a pass-rusher than a coverage guy, limiting our blitz scheme (though he was more well-rounded than I expected), To limit our ILBs in addition to our OLBs really diminishes the strength of the 3-4.
by Chiefs4Life on Feb 10, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Totally agree JY
Just looking at Ray Lewis’ career, when he had Siragusa and Adams in front of him, he was all world.
When they left and he had more to deal with, he wasn’t nearly the player.
Now that he has legit talent in front of him again, he’s back
All starts at the DL, however, with that being said I do have a serious crush on McClain, he WILL be a great player and I would love to get him. I would just much prefer to move 5 spots back and do it right in front of the Broncos.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Feb 10, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
As Tyson Jackson improves
and starts demanding a double team on the strong side more consistently (and once we have a NT who can occupy the center AND one guard) do you think there would be a place for DJ at outside linebacker? I sure like watching him rush the passer.
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Re: DJ at OLB
No. Almost 100% of 3-4 OLBs were at one time Defensive Ends. I’ll get to this in a bit, but you need absolute studs at 3-4 OLB. That’s not the position to try to force-fit talent.
There’s a really big difference between rushing the passer on a blitz where the tackle isn’t expecting you, and rushing the passer with your hands on the ground where the tackle is ready to take you on.
Good write up, Yoon.
Totally agree that ILB isn’t a pressing need and can be addressed in later rounds.
Does seem to make sense with this scheme that Romeo runs
We don’t need to get the gold-plated player if the Honda will do :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 10, 2010 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
That's exactly the right analogy Steve.
The problem is the conclusion you draw from it.
You have stated what we now have in Williams and Mays perfectly. We have a couple of Honda’s on the field.
Williams is the hybrid Prius Honda. He doesn’t have a lot of pick up, and his brakes fail on a regular basis. Because of that, he may lead the team in tackles, but they usually happen 5-7 yards down the field. He’s not in the right position often enough, and he bites on the play action due to poor reading skills on a regular basis. Then when he tries to ‘hit the brakes’ and get back in position to make the tackle he doesn’t have the athletic ability to do it quickly. This results in him eventually getting the tackle, gbut getting it too far down the field and giving up too may 5-7 yards runs that should have been stopped at 2 yards.
Mays is the Non-Hybrid Honda that has the problems with a stiking gas pedal and a steering system that can be occationally erratic. Mays makes a decision about where to go, but his steering doesn’t work all that well and he OFTEN ends up out of position. He gives up a lot of yard and is taken out of a lot of plays because he just simply points himself tot he wrong place and then over pursues. He has a gas pedal that sticks quite a lot. He flows down the line to mirror the backs/Slots/TE’s like he should, but he over accelerates and passes the gaps that he’s supposed to be guarding. Over and over again he gets beat by a ‘cut back’ runner or a ‘stop and start’ pass route. He simply has too much gas pedal, and not enough athletic ability. he may improve with more time in the scheme, but currently he doesn’t have the smarts to read the play AND he doesn’t have the athletic ability to react to changes in direction. He’s go, go, go all the time.
I can appreciate that people think ILB is not ‘important’ enough to spend the #5 pick on, but we’re talking about a guy that has played in teh system for 4 years already (more experience than anyone we have on the roster), has IDEAL size and strength for Romeo Crennels brand of the 3-4, has been touted by his coaches as being the hardest worker and smartest LB/player they have ever coached, AND has the athletic abilit to go along with it.
For all the times that people keep saying that ‘we can get someone good enough later in the draft’ I pose the question: When’s the last time we had a true defense calling, team leader, athletic stud, run stuffer, QB rusher on the field in KC at the ILB/MLB spot? You’re going to have to go all the way back to Schottenheimer, before you can find a guy.
Our defense has been porous since Schott. Cunningham ran the system into the dirt, Vemeils excuse for a defense was a joke, Herm never had that supreme talent at MLB that you HAVE to have in 4-3 cover 2, and Haley’s BEST athlete at LB can’t even get on the field because he doesn’t have a guy that he can stick NEXT to him that can play the run stuffing / QB blitzing role effectively enough to allow DJ to ‘cover and make plays’ in the shallows.
Our best shot of putting our most athletic playmaker on the field (DJ), which we badly want to do to create turnovers, is to add an ILB NEXT to him that can call the plays to keep people int he right spots AND be athletic enough to stuff the run and rush the QB. We don’t have that person. We havent had that person for almost 20 years. All the ‘later round’ picks at ILB/MLB have managed to be nothing more than ‘stop gaps’ while we wait for that one true impact player/difference maker to come around.
What, exactly, is the point of continuing to draft/trade for stop gap after stop gap if we aren’t ever going to GET the guy that we keep sticking ‘placeholders’ in for that are good enough for now?
I’m sick and tired of waiting around and making excuses not to address the position. I’m tired of driving the Honda full of factory defects that happens to get good milage and doesn’t cost much. I WANT A FUCKING HUM-VEE in the middle running the show on the defense and causing HAVOC on the field; and I want it NOW.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Feb 10, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Amen Brother
Amen!!!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 10, 2010 10:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
To continue your analogy:
The Humvee is nice to have back there. However, there’s a giant bulldozer that seems to come along and sweep away our Hondas right now. While the Humvee will be a bit harder to sweep away, it’ll still get moved.
At this point, we need a giant wrecking ball to take out a couple bulldozers so the Humvee can show why we bought it. We get the wrecking ball, I’m all for the Humvee. Until that happens, I’m neutral on the Humvee.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 10, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, don't get me wrong Kalo
I completely agree that we need a NT. Ron Edwards is NOT the answer. Adding a true NT in the middle is the number 1 priority. I’m just hoping that we do it through FA. If we DON’T, and we spend our #1 pick on a NT I’ll be perfectly ok with that. BUT – if we spend it on a OT or a Safety, and fail to address either the NT or the ILB in the first round I think I may actually puke.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Feb 10, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Rec'd
It’s nice to have someone summarize my frustrations entirely…….if we draft Dan Williams at #5 I will be mad as all hell, because he is not the leader of his pack the way McClain is. I doubt seriously that our GM/DC combo with the experience and values they possess will pass McClain up for WIlliams or Cody.
by Hail2DaChiefs on Feb 10, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Upgrade
Isn’t a later round ILB better than our UDFA currently on the roster? Isn’t it an upgrade to what we already have? We have so many needs I think upgrades at multiple positions is the only way we can succeed. I don’t think it matters who we draft first or second we just have to upgrade multiple positions. Everyone can argue a need for this team that could be taken in the 1st round.
by groundedchevy on Feb 10, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent
and you pointing out my error I got to return and turn your comment GREEN.
I love to do that!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 10, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
I am sorry
to disagree with such great passion. Texas Chief I feel you for your love of the red and gold, but I have two comments:
1) Remind me who we had as ILB when we had the best defense ever in the 90s? But tell you what — I remember Dan Saleamua. My point is that the key is the NT and then you just need some no-name no-style no-hype thumpers inside on cleanup duty.
2) Second and I have to warn you this is petty, but its Toyota not Honda with all of them issues. We don’t want the Japanese cars to think we cant tell them apart do we?
NewEnglandChief
by NewEnglandChief on Feb 12, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
An import is an import
Buy American =P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Feb 13, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Oh Brother
Oh brother. The BIGGEST need for this team right now is SS. Not one mention of this critical position in this blog. The #1 pick the Chiefs need to get is Eric Berry of TN. That position will affect every position mentioned in this Blog. Berry is a PLAYMAKER. Speaking of PLAYMAKERS…..DJ needed more playing time last year and it was ridiculous that Haley the Stooge did not play him.
DJ needed more playing time?
apparently you only focused on his highlights. Yes i would have liked to have seen him in a few more games but honestly he whiffs on most if not all his assignments. He made a few big plays because he was out of position and came away with the ball. Calling Haley a stooge is your opinion, but i would lay the blame on Pendergast (who is no longer with the team).
If they resign DJ he could get more playing time in Crennel’s new scheme.
Warriors come out and play
DJ didnt play cuz he isnt good
he has shown that the entire time he has been here, he is always out of position and doesnt make plays, I say trade him(if we can) and move on. I wouldnt call him a playmaker either he made 2 plays last year and he even admitted that he was not where he was supposed to be when he made those plays. I dont understand why people, because of those 2 plays in the Denver game, are willing to forget the last 4 years and re-sign him and give him more years to show that he is not good
by badassz1987 on Feb 10, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Good Post Yoon
I scan Arrowheadpride ever morning looking for a post from you. Keep up the good work. Always appreciate you sharing your insight
I think the Pats DE's were fairly athletic in Seymour and Warren...
…the were pro bowl caliber
No Place For DJ?
Why wouldn’t DJ fit in this system?As an ILB sure,but don’t you think he’s more apt to do a better job from the outside?Isn’t that why DT was so great?Didn’t his HOF detractors complain about him not playing the run well or his coverage skills not being up to par?But he was a playmaker of the highest form.Now I’m not saying that DJ is as good as DT,but unless used properly could the chiefs be missing something? Go ahead & blast away.It’s just my opinion.
John Soellner
DJ at OLB
DJ is not good at getting through blocks (especially those of OL), which is why he shouldn’t be at OLB. He’d get steamrolled every play by the tackle or TE, and then all you’d hear is how much he sucks. He could be a good ILB with some help up front, but he needs coaching to fix some of the overpursuit and coverage skills.
Yes, DJ isn’t great against the run, but he’s decent-to-good against the pass. Everyone sees the sack numbers he posted at Texas and a couple of years with us and thinks he’s an outside rusher. Look again: those teams blitzed the bajeezus out of him…which created mismatches and led to him being free to get to the QB as untouched as possible.
I just don’t get this love affair with DJ at 3-4 OLB. Not directly at you, chiefs63, but with all the mock drafts and free agency pickups everyone is projecting, I’m seeing him slotted in at the SOLB spot a good bit of the time. DT was a 4-3 DE that we turned into a roving, rushing LB/DE. DJ has always been a 4-3 OLB/3-4 ILB style player and just doesn’t have the strength or moves to get by bigger offensive linemen.
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Re: Kalo
Kalo, you’re right. Putting DJ at OLB isn’t even an option. He’s an occasional blitzing LB. He’s not a pass rusher.
And it seems to me
That he’s only successful at rushing the passer when he has free release to the QB, or the only blocker standing in his way is a RB.
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by ArrowSpread on Feb 10, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
agreed
DJ IS a good fit right where he is, he has just taken longer to come around
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
by stagdsp on Feb 10, 2010 10:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
But: If you could put a guy at the other ILB that could call plays and stuff the run...
…DJ becomes more than viable on the field in teh 2 ILB tandum.
If you really want to see DJ get back on the field to be the playmaker that we all know he can be, your best shot is to stand a guy next to him that can take the other half of the ILB load (rush the QB and stuff the run). This would free up DJ to do exactly what he does best – make plays in the shallows.
I like DJ. I think hes very athletic. But I also think he takes too many chances to try and get the big play. That, in and of itself, is not the problem. The problem is that DJ doesn’t have anyone next to him that effectively split the duties in order to allow DJ to do what he does. We need a stud. A mountain of a run stuffer / QB rusher standing next to DJ would allow us to USE the talents that DJ has without ‘giving up’ everything that we currently give up with Mays/Willuiams on the field.
Again, I agree that we need a NT as teh top priority, BUT I also think that Run Stuffer/QB Rusher/ Defensive playcaller is a VERY close second on our ‘position of need’ list. One of those 2 has to be addressed with the #1 pick. We need elite talent on the field. ‘Stop gaps’ haven’t worked in 20 years, and they aren’t goinig to magically start working now.
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by Texas Chief on Feb 10, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I'd agree with this.
ILB is his spot in this defense with some upgrades around him.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 10, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
yessir
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
I think this is an important thing to note
I totally agree that a player like McClain at ILB can maximize the potential of anyone that lines up next to him at the other inside spot, but DJ is someone that could benefit TREMENDOUSLY from it, for many of the reasons you discussed.
Something that Alabama did a great deal with McClain and the other ILBs was to have McClain (or the other ILB) have run responsibility on the width of the field, as if he were a 4-3 (or in this case 3-3-5) MLB, while the other ILB played “Robber” zone coverage behind him. A setup like this is perfect for a guy like DJ who loves to read the quarterback’s eyes and make plays on the ball.
And if somehow DJ could improve enough in his discipline to take of the run responsibility, McClain has also shown good ability to play that middle zone.
Of course, all of this is contingent on getting a nose tackle that can the ’backers clean.
by alakan81 on Feb 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
KaloPhoenix
Isn’t the job of the DE’s to take up those OL so the LB’s can be free to do what they do,rush the QB,coverage etc.?
John Soellner
DJ is not good at getting through blocks (especially those of OL), which is why he shouldn’t be at OLB. He’d get steamrolled every play by the tackle or TE,
On a running play, Tyson Jackson’s job is to occupy the RT and TE, isn’t it?
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by PVChiefsfan on Feb 10, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Both chiefs63 and PVC.
Depends on his gap assignment. Vrabel has consistently drawn the TE this year on running plays. TJ usually occupies the RT and RG or just the RT. The TE typically kicks outside, making it near impossible for TJ to get to him. Not TJ’s fault, just a part of the scheme. Most want DJ at OLB for his perceived pass rushing abilities, though. That’s even more of a problem because he’ll be blocked by the RT.
It’s just not a spot conducive to his best attributes.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 10, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
And just to head off any potential questions at the pass:
When the run is played, the OL is running towards the defense, so it makes it easier for our DL’s to collect the blockers that are trying to get to the ILB’s. In that situation, the outside OL’s are usually assigned to blocking the OLB’s, so the DL are incapable of getting to them and keeping their gap responsibilities.
In the pass game, the OL are backing up, waiting for players to come towards them. Their spacing is a lot different, and that’s why you don’t see our OLB’s simply come free and run right at the QB…the OL is taught to space evenly and pick up all the rushers. In that situation, they rarely double team or get caught in a situation where our DE’s “double occupy” them.
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by KaloPhoenix on Feb 10, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
BUT DJ IS TEH BEST EVAH!!!!
We should just create Albert Haynesworth Dwight Freeney hybrids to play every position of our front 7. Men the size of Albert Haynesworth with the speed of Dwight Freeney.
Pitchers and Catchers report February 17th... And so begins my masochistic addiction.
by averagegatsby on Feb 10, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Are we talking about Genetic modification?
Cause to cause a Haynesworth/Freeney Child/Children would be something I wouldn’t want to see :( Sorta like making Sausage.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 10, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Most want DJ at OLB for his perceived pass rushing abilities, though. That’s even more of a problem because he’ll be blocked by the RT.
I thought Jackson should ALWAYS have the RT, and occasionally (depending on formation) the TE or the RG. On a 3rd down, DJ rushing from the strongside would require that the TE or RB stay in to block him, or he’ll just run by the RT who’s blocking Jackson, right?
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Hard to say...
TJ had the responsibility of fighting the RT AND RG all season due to the ineptitude at NT. Due to this, on the occasions that Vrabel would stay in to rush, the C would take Edwards, the RG would take TJ, and the RT would take Vrabel. They’d allow a blocking back to chip Tamba and let the LT play Tamba and/or Dorsey.
Again, because the OL are backing away from the play, TJ isn’t necessarily at liberty to control the OL. Pass plays consist of backwards-lateral movement from the offensive line, and they get some spacing in between the players. The DL has far less control, but usually has a 1-on-1 matchup…unless Vrabel’s in coverage.
That said, Clancy ran that 2-5 setup on 3rd down that completely nullified those matchups.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Kalo
Where or in what scheme would DJ have a great skill set to fit?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 10, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
I think he'd probably be a great MLB
in a 4-3 Tampa 2 with two solid DT’s. He’s got good range in side-to-side run support and is quick enough to drop deep to cover the middle zone in the Tampa 2 (which is really a Cover 3)…but he’d need good line play in front of him, so he wasn’t continually being eaten by a guard on every running play.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
So
Detroit might be a fit, Houston. A few others
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by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 10, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
DT was MUCH more physical.
DJ has always had a well founded rep of shying away from contact. He used to run around blockers in cllg and does the same thing here. Also remember that DT’s quickness off the ball is legendary. DT had hips loose enough to take incredibly extreme angles coming off a pass rush. DJ has none of those qualities AND he’s a libility in coverage AND he far from a sure tackler. I hope they let him go, but I hope we get some kind of compensation.
There’s some decent talent @ OLB in this draft that can be had in the 2nd rnd. But this is all moot without a dominant NT.
Also
Gary Guyton had nothing to do with Crennel. He was an udfa in 2008. But you say they don’t like athletic ILB, guyton was the fastest LB at the combine with a 4.47. While Mayo was also very good at the combine.
But Pioli says he doesn’t look at numbers. He defends Brady’s numbers by saying he has the feel and all that stuff….well so does McClain.
It makes so much sense. 34 ILB in college. Very passionate about the game. A Coach on the field. Sounds like Vrabel? McClain’s name will get called and he will be a Chief.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 10, 2010 9:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions
A little early for that guarantee...
We don’t know what Pioli and Co’s big board looks like. We don’t know what’ll happen with the CBA and FA. We don’t know what we’ll need when the draft rolls around.
A lot can/will happen between now and the draft, so making a statement like that is a little presumptuous and early, Matt.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Kentucky's Micah Johnson on the radar?
Jeez, the Rolando McClain groupies are out in full force. We all agree he’s the second coming of Dick Butkis, Dick LeBeau and can not only walk on but play decent man coverage on water.
BUT I’d like to talk about realistic ILB draftees in case we need to spend our 1st round pick on a NT or safety.
Micah Johnson is big backer who could shed blockers and attack the run. Anyone see him play this season?
Man coverage on water?
Too bad we play that short zone all the time…
=)
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by KaloPhoenix on Feb 10, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Micah Johnson is an interesting pick in the 5th round or later...
He was a solid MLB for Kentucky, and I am very very high up on him. The big problem that could be forseen is that he blew out his knee late in the season. That is what has sent his stock plummeting. If he recovers from his knee surgery he will be a solid late round pick. My concern is will he play like Kolby Smith…(I know different positions, but they both had the same injury in college)
Rico McCoy out of Tennessee is another ILB to watch in the later rounds. He has the intensity that Micah has produced(yet had Eric Berry, and Dan Williams in the front and back of him).
Go Chiefs!!!!
Size Issue
He’s a hell of a player but isn’t Rico McCoy more of a OLB. At 6’1 225 he’s not exactly a huge physical presence in the middle.
Goodness
Sounds like SS size. Or a LB in the Tampa 2
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by Matt_Grbac on Feb 10, 2010 10:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
In the NFL you are probably right....
I was just remembering the Kentucky vs Tennessee game, and Rico McCoy was a huge presence. Great tackling, great angles etc.
Go Chiefs!!!!
In your dreams
Being a freakish athlete yes Curry is that…but not the pure natural that McClain is
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by Matt_Grbac on Feb 10, 2010 10:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
With 18 & 19 year olds
in a Pontiac Sunfire
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
The only thing more lame than mock draft's is the sarcasm font.
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 10, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
No no
Better yet – 17 & 18 year olds. Because let’s face it, it’s just not as fun when it’s legal.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 10, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Very glad we didn’t pick up Curry last year.
I don’t know how I feel about McClain. It’s obvious that he will be an amazing linebacker but if we take care of NT in FA and Berry is still on the boards at #5 we’d be crazy to not pick him up.
ILB could be addressed in FA or in the 2nd round, especially if all we need is a solid run support/pass rush guy to stand next to DJ.
So if NT in FA and no Berry, I wouldn’t hate a McClain pick.
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Also on the subject of linebackers
Roddrick Muckelroy from Texas at OLB behind Vrabel
He’s got good size and speed. A guy you could blitz or trust in coverage while Tamba rushes from the other side.
Soooo what was this article about? Hmmm
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by giftedchiefsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:07 PM CST reply actions
I really doubt McClain is on Pioli and Crennel's radar by the time the draft rolls around
The raiders have 2 LB’s that would do well on the inside for us, Dansby might be out there. To top that off there might be 30 more guys that could start for us, a few guys in their late 20’s that have been out of football for a few yrs, other FA’s.
There’s going to be more than one NT that hits FA. Robinson should be there when we pick with the falcons 2nd, possibly even when we pick in the third. Troup could be a possibility in the fourth or the fifth.
I don’t think we go CB this year, it’s a weak crop and I don’t think they’re the type of CB’s we want, unless they take Berry and move him to corner. I think Haley wants bigger corners. Carlos Rogers could come in FA, I think we’re going more towards Dale Carter and James Hasty clones on the corners.
Safety should be there in rounds two and three.
I think we could pair up Dorsey and our first to get St. Louis’ or Detroit’s #1 and their #2. Take Suh, then Tate, Pouncey or Brandon Graham, and someone like Nate Allen in the second, and if he’s there Boo Robinson in the third, or possibly Cirion Black if Robinson’s gone, and in the fourth Troup or Walton depending on how the draft is going so far, fifth Peek, a C if we take Graham, and a KR.
There’s too many scenerios and I have a feeling we’re moving up if we can get Suh at the right price.

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