Matt Cassel's Appendectomy May Give Brodie Croyle Shot At First Win
The news that Kansas City Chiefs QB Matt Cassel underwent an appendectomy on Wednesday may mean he's not going to be available on Sunday against the San Diego Chargers. While the official injury report won't come out until Friday, I'm of the mindset that it will be backup QB Brodie Croyle getting the nod.
It's been well over a year before we realistically talked about Croyle as a starter for the Chiefs. We haven't seen him as a starting quarterback since Sept. 13, 2009 -- the first day of the 2009 regular season.
Cassel -- who had yet to ever play for the Chiefs in a regular season game at that point -- had suffered a knee injury a few weeks earlier putting Croyle into the game.
If you recall, Croyle had a decent game -- a good game even. They were very Cassel-esque numbers: Completed 16-of-24 passes for 177 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions (he also took three sacks which is not Cassel-esque). The performance came in a 38-24 loss to the Baltimore Ravens, who ended the season with the league's third ranked defense.
That game was also Croyle's ninth attempt at winning an NFL game. Indeed, Croyle is win less in the NFL so this will be his shot at his first victory in the NFL. Assuming Cassel can't go this weekend, we're expecting to see Croyle's 10th attempt at victory.
So what should we expect? I have no freakin' idea.
We haven't seen Croyle in a situation like this before. He never had the kind of stability or confidence that this team has. He didn't have an offensive line that has proven they can run and pass block with the league's best. He hasn't had a receiver like Dwayne Bowe who in the last two months has been the best receiver in the NFL. He hasn't had the NFL's best running game and he hasn't been around a stable offensive system.
We know what we had with Croyle back in 2007 and 2008 (and one game in 2009). But we don't know what we have with him now, with this group.
More than likely, we'll find that out this weekend.
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I have no faith in Brodie
I truly hope I eat my words next week
My bold prediction for 2010....The Chiefs win the AFC west with a 9-7 record, while the Chargers fall off, Denver remains the same, and Oakland, well enough said.
Offensive Player of the Year = J Charles
Rookie of the Year = Eric Berry
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Dec 8, 2010 6:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I don't know about Brodie
But I have a lot of faith in this coaching staff and team. I think they will pull out every hat trick they know this weekend—and have fun doing it. Coaches have bigger egos than players so this is a major challenge for them.
If you recall from the ravens game Brodie PLAY ACTION FAKES WERE EXCELLENT
much better than Cassells. He sold the run with his fakes. Further we also know that Brodie has a much stronger arm than Matt, and generally is more accurate a passer, particularly the his LONG BALL (Matts weakness).
Additionally I seema to recall that Brodie put on some wieght (talk muscle here) which helped him be more durable. Remember when he was sacked the 1st time by the Ravens, wondering will he get up. He handled all his sacks fine. His only injury has been to his finger, which I seem to recall Trent Green had the same injury. Same way hitting a helmet on follow thru!!!!!!!
Our big concern her is can the line protect him. I am not worried about his mechanics.
ALSO REMEMBER. HE IS A FREE AGENT AT THE END OF THIS YEAR AND THIS GAME IS A SHOWCASE FOR OTHER TEAMS, LOOKING FOR A STARTING QB. GOT MOTIVATION
0-9
You do make good points, but 0-9 is the only stat I need to look at to defend my lack of faith in Brodie. And like I said I hope I eat my words next week!
My bold prediction for 2010....The Chiefs win the AFC west with a 9-7 record, while the Chargers fall off, Denver remains the same, and Oakland, well enough said.
Offensive Player of the Year = J Charles
Rookie of the Year = Eric Berry
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Dec 9, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I've had a loss penciled in on this one for a while.
Hopefully i’m wrong as usual. I really think this will be a motivator for the team.
I agree this is a house money game. We beat them already. And we’ve proven to NOT have a killer instinct yes.
by kc571 on Dec 8, 2010 7:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
tell that to Houston
and the Raiders
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Brodie Croyle never having a win makes me feel uneasy.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Although if the defense executes the game plan as well as they did last Sunday
and we start tackling again then maybe all Brodie will have to do is put together one or two drives.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Brodie never having a win makes me more confident
Fact is, you know this kid desperately wants to prove he can play, win, and survive in this league. This will be an epic stage for him to do so.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi.
He did play well enough to win in Baltimore last year.
Unfortunately the defense didn’t help him out any late in that game. That might be the big difference this go around.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
didn't have an offense, either
last year vs Balt we had and started LJ (forget blocking much less a running game) … we had a makeshift OLine that had just gotten new blocking schemes and a new playbook a couple of weeks earlier, along with new terminology … we had Mike Goff starting on the OLine … yeah, THAT Mike Goff
on the other side from Bowe we had Some Guy starting at WR … Bobby Engram? hell, I dunno who it was, or care … all I know is we dod NOT have the following:
Jamaal Charles (was riding the bench)
Thomas Jones
Dexter McCluster
Verran Tucker
Ryan Lilja
Casey Weigmann
Tony Moeaki
Leonard Pope
that’s just on the offensive side of the ball …
so yeah, one has to feel better about the surrounding cast of characters that Croyle has this time around … win or lose, it’ll be a whole lot prettier
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by upamtn on Dec 8, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
you finally got your wish
What? Did you go to New Orleans and visit a witch doctor or something?
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had some fried chicken and shook the box a little ...
dem bones, dem bones … amazing what you can do, really
and can you ever be SURE that light goes out out when you close the refridgerator door?
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I'm not even gonna ask what you were doing IN your fridge
… all I’ll say is you’d be wise to keep the beer closer to the FRONT in the future
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by upamtn on Dec 8, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He'll be out injured by 2 minutes into the 3rd quarter.
Go Palko, ha
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it's not like cassel set the world on fire with the same personnel
brodie had around him when he racked up his losses. also, cassel wasn’t playing nearly as well as he is now when we beat SD in week 1.
if Brodie doesn’t try to do too much and the D plays well, we can still grind out a win.
an exception to not doing too much—play-action pass on the first offensive play, deep to tucker or copper. they’ll expect a handoff or slant to bowe.
by nickpapagiorgio on Dec 8, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
In some ways Brodie has more of the Kurt Warner ARM, he can air the ball out with great accuracy
Remeber what Haley did with him???????
nor his experience
"The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong is to let him have his way" Josh Billings
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Seams to me he won a lot at Alabama, when he had a good supporting cast.
Also I learned some things about Brodie and the way he was raised. His father could have played in the NFL but instead started a boys home for orphans or something. He had a long talk with Bear Bryat before he did it. One of the Bears favorite players.
So Brodie greew up having to share his dad with others. Team player type guy. Great intestinal fortitude. DEFINATELY ONE OF THE RIGHT 53. Has never caused a problem been a team guy.
GET READY TO WATCH AND WOW
They had a Dr on NFL network
and he said as long as Cassel feels ok, he doesnt see any reason why he wouldnt be able to play this weekend
he'll be out this Sunday, count on it
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Medical science improves all the time.
I’d be surprised if he played this Sunday, but not totally shocked.
I spilled spot remover on my dog... now he's gone.
Dave Hanner in 1954.
And back then they just cut you open with a saw and poured whiskey on the sauterized(sp) wound.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
That's probably why it worked
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cauterized
unless you meant “to saute” as in cooking…
I might actually take a 100% Brodie over Cassel even if he’s physically capable of playing. Unless Cassel is at 90% or better, you gotta start Brodie imo.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Roethlisberger was out for a game
after his surgery, and they (the news), say even that is rare.
" That was a cajun run! Flew Bayou!" - Dexter McCluster
And when he came back he wasn't very effective at first.
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by nateforchiefs on Dec 8, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
It was the beginning of the season...
and he was also recovering from him motorcycle accident, so I don’t think you should make too much of his slow start. He’d have likely started slow even without the surgery.
I spilled spot remover on my dog... now he's gone.
This is probably the best shot Brodie has ever had at a win.
This is the best team he has ever been a part of, but he also hasn’t played since the beginning of last year.
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This is Brodie's moment to help the 2010 Chiefs
everyone has stepped up, so will he :)
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 8, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
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by Chris Thorman on Dec 8, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
why not give the kid a shot
if our defense can hold and we pound the ball on the ground, he can;t do much worse than Cassel at the beginning of this season.
besides
chargers have been game planning for Cassel all this time.
They won’t know what to make of Brodie being out there.
cassel expected to play
Nfl total access just reported that Cassel is expected to play sunday and a doctor just said there is no problem with him playing as long as he feels he can play. he also said that all this shit is overrated and he wont explode or start bleeding and shit and that he will be fine. The healing is all about the scars nothing inside.
by Arrowhead4Life on Dec 8, 2010 6:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Every Situation is Indepentent
You really can’t go off of a doctor who doesn’t know the situation… I hope he’s right but…
I dare say Cassel will be dresses but not start. Be like the 3rd quarterback
Haley isn’t going to show his hand and declare Matt out. Let the Chargers worry. But if there is one thing we have seen from this coaching staff, it is when a star is hurt they will not risk a long term injury, for just one weeks gain.
Was it Waters that dressed but did not play a couple of weeks agao. He has played much better since that week. Good rest and his body has recovered
i expect to see Brodie get the start..
"We're making progress, that's the key thing." - Todd Haley
by chiefsfan62 on Dec 8, 2010 6:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Smiles
Joel you must be having way to much fun with this. There is more comments flying around than on last game day lol.
Are you accusing Joel of whoring for comments?!?
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by nateforchiefs on Dec 8, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Very true ...
Appreciate the notion that you brought up with what he will have around him if he is the starting QB again (see what I did there lol). It will be mighty entertaining and truly a Cardiac Team in the making here.
Seems like back up QB's with a weeks notice have done pretty well this year.
Unfortunately Thigy was not one of them
I have a hard time blaming that game on Thigpen
Why did Miami suddenly decide to totally abandon the run when they had their 3rd string QB playing? That was one of the most insane decisions I’ve ever seen. It was like Mike Martz was suddenly running the offense.
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Yes Joel,but
back in the chiefs super Bowl year Lenny the Cool was injured & Mike Livingston came in & played several weeks & won.We still went to the SB & won.Let’s hope this is a little de’ja vu.
John Soellner
Maybe we can get that guy on a tractor in Minnesota.
He was pretty good.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Dec 8, 2010 6:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Faith
Got to keep the faith… but hoping Brodie does not get hurt as he tends to do so well when he step on the field…
Really!
Couldn’t you find a shot that was less scary?

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Dec 8, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Croyle doing his pushups 4TW
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi.
He should be the mascot for Oregon.
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by Tarkus on Dec 8, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Would have preferred a pic showing Brodie tossing a TD
At least I’d feel a little better about him possibly starting :)
Do those pics exist?
You might have to go back to the Alabama years haha
My bold prediction for 2010....The Chiefs win the AFC west with a 9-7 record, while the Chargers fall off, Denver remains the same, and Oakland, well enough said.
Offensive Player of the Year = J Charles
Rookie of the Year = Eric Berry
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Dec 8, 2010 6:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I predict...
…that Brodie will do just fine.
We will not, nor will the Chargers, hear that Cassel is out until Sunday.
The team will prep for Brodie, and as they’ve done with the o-line, the tight end, the secondary… It is now “Next Man In”.
We haven’t been privy to practice rep reports… We can only assume that Brodie is a pro. That he has prepared like a pro. And that like the rest of the team, will be ready to go when called upon.
It is unfortunate that Matt is out, but I’m comfortable with Brodie.
TD
by Troydrake on Dec 8, 2010 6:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
If Brodie plays? I have a hard time believing that we will win or lose because of him. We’ll either win as a team…or lose as a team.
And I’m no huge Brodie fan. But, I also think he’ll do just fine. The guy is a pro. He has game experience. And regardless of his reputation of being “Brittle Brodie”…I think he can hang in there.
Don’t give up the ship, gentlemen. Give the guy a chance.
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
Ouch
I had an emergency appendectomy when I was 12 and I was out of commission for a few weeks. Granted I was 12 and it was a ruptured appendix, but either way if he plays on Sunday he’s one tough dude.
Tell Palko to prepare himself..
… Croyle won’t last the warm-ups
Baltimore's Defense+ 2009 Oline scares me a heck of alot more then San Diego's Defense and 2010 oline.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
He's played in 9 games
He’s been injured in 6 of them.
Everyone scares me if Brokie is at the helm.
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Could have done without that
If croyle plays, needless to say, the pretty decent run defense of the charges will now key on the run against us. We can’t realistically expect croyle to play well enough to win this game for us. Worse news I’ve heard all week, by far
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by FalconMF27 on Dec 8, 2010 6:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Could have done without that
If croyle plays, needless to say, the pretty decent run defense of the charges will now key on the run against us. We can’t realistically expect croyle to play well enough to win this game for us. Worse news I’ve heard all week, by far
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
by FalconMF27 on Dec 8, 2010 6:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Could have done without that
If croyle plays, needless to say, the pretty decent run defense of the charges will now key on the run against us. We can’t realistically expect croyle to play well enough to win this game for us. Worse news I’ve heard all week, by far
"That was a good job. It wasn't pretty and we made it tougher than it had to be but that's alright. That's alright this time." - Todd Haley
Win pretty, win ugly, win easy, win tough, it doesn't matter
by FalconMF27 on Dec 8, 2010 6:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Well
Well hopefully we learn a lot either way not that it will change many peoples opinion about our qb’s. The timing of this stinks because Matty has been playing well and if he misses any more than just this week only going to have a 2 games to make sure everything is running smoothly if we make playoffs.
NFL.com Video
Here’s the video of the NFL Network interview with a doctor about when Cassel might be back.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Dec 8, 2010 6:26 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Interesting video.
That doctor says there’s really no danger, and he doesn’t put any restrictions on his own patients after that type of surgery. He basically said pain is the only limitation.
I spilled spot remover on my dog... now he's gone.
hey, it's late, aren't you supposed to be sleeping or getting stuff for tormorrow's post?
I swear I read that as “interview with a witch doctor” at first
I blame kabrink
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Cassel has grown on me...
But ive been waiting to see what Croyle could do with THIS offense…it also give the Chiefsa chance to showcase Croyle for trades…there will be a lot of teams looking for a QB next yr……may be able to trade him for something worthwhile…many consider Croyle as one of the best back up in the NFL….
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
Just curious....
But who are those “many” that consider croyle the best backup? Hes done very little with the opportunities he’s had, I can’t see what would make him the “best” compared to guys like Kerry Collins, Kevin Kolb, and even Bruce Gradkowski.
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by FalconMF27 on Dec 8, 2010 6:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I said...ONE OF the best
Croyle has great tools….the only knock on him is he is fragile..I, for one, attribute a lot of those injuries to the shit O Line he played behind….Ive heard the guys on NFL network call him one of the better back ups in the league….he has just played on terrible teams….that is why I said I would like to see him with THIS offense….also, Todd Haley said last yr in camp, Brodie was the best QB he had in camp…
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
I guess his oline in HS and at BAMA were shit too.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
He was known
for taking 11 sacks from Auburn in one game. They also weren’t hand tackles or anything, they were solid hits from 7 different players…all in one game.
You cant take the homer out of them...
some of these folks believe that Brodie has this massive pile of talent, that’s just been hiding behind horrible offensive lines since the guy was in highschool.
There;‘s never been any evidence of it, but they go on believing it anyway. But you can’t burst their bubble with a howitzer.
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NOW you tell us!
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btw, Tark ... love the new sig line
that’s Wright on!
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ahhh...my bad
i was think they just resigned him prior to this season….but i guess that was just his tender huh?
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
ive been curious to see what croyle can do as well
but this is a suuuuuppppper risky time to be toying with a back up lol
I think we're all missing the bigger picture.
Cassel’s 27 straight starts might be broken!
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But now he has to start all over ;)
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Cassel's surgeon said that Matt should be able to play in a week.
He said that IF he has no pain, no clotting, etc. he will release him from the hospital. I think it’s pretty much going to be Brodie starting at the dolts.
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At least Cassel waited until we got our 2 game lead back!!!
So a loss hurts, but not the end of the world
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
Brodie will be ok
He’s not 206 as stated on the roster I read somewhere he’s around 218. Haley showed alot of interest in Brodie at the end of last season stating he was part of the CHIEFS core. If the strenght and conditioning coach has pumped him up a bit it might be interesting. He has a o-line, running game, receivers and a defense he didnt have before Go CHIEFS GO BRODIE
We'll see
I’m not trying to be negative, but let’s look at this objectively: croyle had bowe AND tony g. when he was tabbed to be our starter in 2008. Tony g. was light years better than any other wr. we have opposite bowe right now. And how many times has Cassel avoided sacks from throwing the ball away; not saying our o-line isn’t improved, but it still gives up some qb pressures. I don’t expect croyle to handle it as well as Cassel has this season, considering his lack of game experience the last two years. Defense is playing well, but not many have shut down rivers this year, including us in a monsoon. And like I said above, the SD defense will commit to stopping the run, making brodie beat them. Overall, not a good setup for brokie unfortunately.
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by FalconMF27 on Dec 8, 2010 6:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Croyle refresher course
Want to see him in action? Go to my Facebook page (Dave Keeler) then to profile, check out “Red Tribe Cinema”, there are a couple of clips of Croyle in action.
Cassel is a tough guy but really...
….expect to see Croyle. I am sure that this Coaching Staff will have a plan that covers all contingencies. If Croyle plays,Croyle has had more time to grow and learn since last start even though he has had no game reps. Plus he has so many more weapons and a much more coheisive offense that can man up around him.
If Cassel is available, so much the better. Don’t forget the D is now better than when Croyle last played as well. A 3 and out will not mean we won’t see ball again till next quarter or 7 points. Which ever comes first.
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I'm pretty sure that this is the best thing that could happen for this team right now.
I’m not really sure why, but I think I will now go consult Mr. Daniels. Jack might be able to make me understand why this is such a fortuitous turn of events.
Homers vs Haters... Will there ever be a winner?
hater!
Negative Nancy!
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aye, Sir!
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The Chiefs will get better overcoming adversity
like the Super Bowl winning Chiefs did once
Just try to STOP US
and remember when Len Dawson was hurt that year
Mike Livingston stepped in for what … 4 games? 8 games? and did very well indeed …
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We really need you Jamaal !
JC has to take over the game sunday eve…..thats all there is to it….no offense to Brodie,but it will be very hard for him to win it…we just cant have him lose it….Jamaal has to take the game over…a few passes along the way and decent defense we should be fine!!
How long has Cassel known he needed this?
Before I go all conspiracy theory I’d like to know if he’s known about this for a while.
friend of mine told me last night he kid needed an emergency appendectomy the day before .... came outta the blue
you never know about some things
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send them on to the Warren Commission anyway .... might still find someone on the Grassy Knoll
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Nah...
send them to Jessie “The Body” Ventura. He’ll blow the lid on this conspiracy theory…

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by kcchiefsfan72 on Dec 8, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
You are probably right about this.
They could have performed the surgery in the locker room last Sunday. He will probably be practicing at full speed by tomorrow.
Homers vs Haters... Will there ever be a winner?
Aside from playing well
We need to get lucky. Both with Cassel’s injury and whatever we have to do without him.
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something tells me
that this game is going to come down to special teams and defense. Lets hope both units can get some points for us.
ummmmmmmmmmmm
off topic, disallowed :-)
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hate to say it, but I agree with ya
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i think we will have to outsore them…they are too good….we can do it…no doubt….this is when they all have to man-up….do it…this is what they want….so…lets do it!!
we have an Einstein amongst us!
we will have to outsore them
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Wondering about the game day threads...
Will they still be filled with Cassel sucks! comments?
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only if Croyle passes for 540 yds, 8 TDs, 0 INTs, 0 Sacks
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I tend to stay away from Cassel posts, even now.
(At least FanPosts and FanShots.)
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If we lose yes, if we win yes
In either scenario Cassel obviously didn’t want to help the team win.
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I'm not sure how much out game plan actually changes
It’s not like we had Cassel airing it out all the time. It’ll still be short-intermediate relatively simple passes once we establish the run. They might try and stack the box so Dex in the slot with some quick throws can eliminate that fairly quickly.
I put as much on the rest of the skill positions to raise their game as much as I do having Croyle play his best. As long as he doesn’t turn it over we should be in this game.
Heres my opinion..
I think that this happening is at a very bad time no doubt. We win, we are in playoffs, we lose then comes the nasty tie potentially. We are not going to risk further injury to Cassel, just not going to happen. Croyle will be starting this Sunday. The Dolts will be preparing to stuff our run and if they do that then they will be after the QB (Brodie). If I am a believer that Brodie is a decent back up QB which I think he is ( hell of an arm) then if I were the Charlie.. I would go to that game passing first! Set the tone a bit that we aren’t afraid to pass with him, then run. Just have an awful feeling that the dolts are going to do everything to stop the run first. Just an opinion. I do agree with what someone above said as well.. time to bring the tricks out a bit.. Maybe have MCc pass a ball even. Something to throw at their defense.
Scary time. I had mine removed and yes people heal differently and the procedures are much better then back in the day. Very small incisions (3 I had) with the biggest one at 6. Just above your junk, one in about the middle between your belly button/right hip and one very small one actually in the belly button. Really not a bad deal unless it erupted, then we have issues for sure.
Anyways, Have faith I suppose. I will have my beer and food and nothing but CHIEFS in front of me. Better record than I had anticipated originally, so GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!
I REMEMBER THE COMMENTATORS IN THE RAVENS GAME TELLING HOW GOOE BRODIE SOLD HIS PLAY FAKES
If this is true and with his arm and accuraccy, could be a big day. Especially if the bolts are looking to stop the run
Go deep the first play of the game!
why not
by VermeilLikesToCry on Dec 8, 2010 6:49 PM CST reply actions
so it's true ...
… you’re afraid of widths
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why not?
waste of a play …. going deep would mean someone getting open deep …. like that’s gonna happen? I don’t THINK so … other than Dex we got no speed
I think Weis calls the same game he would if Cassel was in
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As long as its not a throw back to run middle, run right, run middle, punt, I'm cool with that.
" That was a cajun run! Flew Bayou!" - Dexter McCluster
agree the game plan will stay in place reguardless.
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every good team goes deep every so often
Not going to win being ultra conservative. I’m just saying to do it out of the gate.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Dec 8, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe not. Remember Brodie has been working with both Tucker and Copper . and Copper has speed
I also believe that Tucker can grow some wings also
we’ve already surpassed all the "analyst predictions this year (even my own) as far as what the CHIEFS would do this season. Doubt anyone in the chat room expected this so GO CHIEFS GO BRODIE
Honestly I thought they would just go 8-8 this year.
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me too
and we’ll do at LEAST that well
ok, we’ll win another couple, I believe
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Me three. I would have been happy with 8. But I guess anyone’s window is small. Have to take it while you can.
by kc571 on Dec 8, 2010 8:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Me three. I would have been happy with 8. But I guess anyone’s window is small. Have to take it while you can.
by kc571 on Dec 8, 2010 8:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is the advantage of having a quarterback
who is as good as or nearly as good as the starter. Brodie can win with what he has around him now. As long as Brodie doesn;t get hurt, we will be just fine. I think Brodie can easily engineer a win against the Chargers.
"The Hammer"
yup, he CAN
question is, WILL he?
more to the point: how many do the Chargers score on us? if Rivers and Gates and Co are in tune, could be a long day for the Defense
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and what would lead either one of you believe that Brokie is as, or nearly as good as the starter
Obviously nothing that has every happened in teh real world of NFL football.
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Then I guess Pioli and Haley are idiots for keeping him as a back-up, huh?
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
Um, no
They didn’t have anyone better.
Same reason they resigned Mike to safety.
Same reason Palko is still around.
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Another advantage he has is very little pressure.
Had the Chargers not lost to the Raiders this would’ve been a must win. Although it’s still an important game it isn’t a must win for us and we have a little bit of room for error.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Wouldn't it be crazy if..
Croyle steps in, lights it up & all of sudden a “rusty” Cassel returns after 2-3 weeks to a “quarterback controversy”!
Brodie just needs to step in the huddle and tell Bowe, Moeaki, Tucker, Mccluster and Charles GO LONG lol
I had the same surgery Cassel had
but I was 10 years old. I’m sure the pain tolerance is a lot different between a little kid and professional athlete. That being said, it hurt like hell the first couple of days where I could barely move. After that I didn’t have too many problems getting around.
Second, I like Croyle’s arm and release of the ball. He hasn’t played in a game for a very long time. I can see a ton of blitzes and the Chargers stacking the box to prevent the run. They will get to Croyle and make him beat them.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
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apendectomy
the biggest issue for cassel is the amount of pain he’s going to be in. that’s it. a lot of times there’s not even any incision or staples or anything….if it’s laproscopic that is.
How many Kansas Citians are googling "Apendectomy" right now?
by BJ Kissel on Dec 8, 2010 7:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
No wonder, they can't even spell TOUCHDOWN.
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by Tarkus on Dec 8, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Never thought I'd be so nervous that Cassel might actually NOT play
…as opposed to last year when I was ‘meh’ about him. But now I am hoping and praying and keeping my fingers crossed that Cassel will play. Yeah, like everyone else is saying, it’s just a matter of his pain threshold and if Haley even wants to let him go. Cassel is on a great streak and the team is clicking. I like Brodie and I think can be a good QB but for the life of me, I want to keep doing what’s working and that is Cassel back there, with HIS team, doing work. The dude has grown on me. Then again, I can totally see the team wanting to win badly for their quarterback if he does have to stand on the sidelines. I just want to WIN. Get better Matt!
Defense Needs To Step It Up A Notch...
to quote Karl Mecklenburg, “Defensively, I think it’s important for us to tackle.” So basically, tackle and we win the game.
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
THAT, Sir, is the quote of the day
or the year
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so you're saying tackling IS important?
wow, what a novel concept
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So if he does play,
he likely won’t be 100%. So what do we take? Croyle at 100% but unknown? Cassel at 75%….50%…..
"What we need is......more cowbell." - C. Walken
accept nothing less than 82.47%
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as Marie Antoinette didn't say ...
Let Them Eat Pi
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I thought it was Freddie Mercury.
But I guess that was cake.
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disagree
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me too cause Cassel at 11.5% > Croyle
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Under the category of "Be Careful..."
Early in the season, before Cassel apparently came of age as a QB, I posited the notion that I’d like to see Croyle get a shot at starting a couple of games. Reminds me of the old adage, “Be careful what you wish for”. If Haley/Weiss don’t go totally conservative, i think Croyle can be effective. If we have a game plan similar to last week’s, we’re in for some serious hurt.
Is anybody else excited that we'll probably see more of Mrs. Croyle??!!

Yum Nom Nom Nom
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 8, 2010 7:14 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
And the game is in San Diego so she won't be burdened down with winter jackets or pants.
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by ChiefMedic on Dec 8, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ding Ding Ding!!!
I think we have a winner folks!!
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 8, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just going to go ahead and dig in baby
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
doubt it
they still need to stop our running game … and our WRs are still slow
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Probably
they won’t know how to gameplan against Croyle, especially in this offense. They’ll probably stack the box and blitz the ish out of him, maybe some misdirection. But it’ll probably be the same plan for Cassel.
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 8, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
that'd be dumb ... Croyle (I think) would be better at reading and reacting and calling audibles for short dumps and or fast slants than Cassel
if they’re smart they play it “straight up”
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plenty of practice time, and as much game film as Cassel
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No way that prepares you as much as 27 consecutive starts.
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Yeah practice and Film room
are definitely not the same as actual game time experience.
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 8, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Croyle is rusty
he didn’t even play in the preseason, who knows how good he is at reading and reacting and calling audibles. I think that’s how they start to “shake him up” a bit, but they’ll probably pull back if it isn’t working
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 8, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt it.
The Chiefs might run a little more, but I think the basic gameplan will be roughly the same. Maybe they might look at some Croyle film to spot some tendencies, but I wouldn’t think they’d spend a lot of time doing so.
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they've been doing about a 50/50 mix ... run and pass almost even, good balance
and I hope they continue to do that … run Jamaal, throw, run TJ, toss to Dex, run TJ, toss to Bowe, run Jamaal, toss to Moeaki … mix it up
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I think the run ratio will go up.
It took a long time for them to be comfortable enough with Cassel to hand him the keys, so to speak. I don’t think they’ll trust Croyle just as much, right out of the gate.
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find out in a few days
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Croyle Bandwagoners Unite!
Nothing can stop Croyle now…except for maybe a knockdown
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
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Or an errant pom pom.
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by Tarkus on Dec 8, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Lol...and I'm not lying.
I actually LOL’d.
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Not everything is Matt Cassel's fault. I promise.
well
I’ve wanted to stay with Cassel the whole season to see what he can do, but now that he won’t be 100% I am all in on Brodie.
I also think the Chiefs can win with Brodie. It’s situations like this that cause teams to step up their game and play lights out.
I predict Brodie’s first NFL win.
I'd love to agree, but ...
the Chargers are scary … I’ve been looking at this as a (probable) loss all along, regardless of our QB
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Disagree
I think it’s the best test this season for our guys. Let’s see what they’re made of. I’m sick of all the pundits who say the Chiefs are more pretenders than contenders.
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Haley et al theory
is that we should be able to plug the next guy in line into any position and not change what we are doing or the results. We will see.
I love me some Shaun Smith!
precisely
we can lose (or win) with Croyle just like we could with Cassel
… Palko, however, would be a totally different thing (and that would be REALLY getting ugly)
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yeah
I’m not sure why we still have Palko at all. I know we need 3 bodies but it seems like we could have found someone more promising than him.
I love me some Shaun Smith!
one would think, huh
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I actually hoped he'd stick around.
Not because of who he is, but who he’s not.
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Are they any good
It doesn’t sound to appetizing
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 8, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
namely: Tyler palko ;-)
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I think most of us would agree
that if something happened to Brodie, we’d be better off just running the wildcat the rest of the game. Where’s Mark Bradley when you need him?
by rhinosaurus92 on Dec 8, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
if something happened to Brodie they'd be best running a Fullhouse T/Veer
Dex, TJ and Jamaal in the backfield … then run the ball, every single play
hey, it worked for Stram
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I loved that man
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Palko has shown just as much NFL talent as Brokie has
He has the same number of wins.
And a better reputation of health.
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In that case, let's suit up Humpty Dumpty
at least we’ll have all the kings horses and all the kings men to help put him back together again.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Dec 8, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
At least everybody will probably be back
and at full health. All of our starters except for Cassel anyways, that’s at least better then nothing.
I've learned not to take any of our DBs for granted.
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Nope
but they’ll all be back, and in good health most likely. Only one that might be questionable is Lewis but he almost played last week, so he should be ready to tear it up this week. And with Flowers back at full speed, we should be good in the back.
That’s why I really liked our chances this week until this appendectomy, but oh well I’m worried but not as worried as others might be. I think we’ll be alright.
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 8, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Flowers had to be carried off the field.
I know he said it was only cramps, but you never know… Hamstrings can linger.
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damnit, I was afraid of that
any word on how long he might be out?
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Depends on how long the Robot Legs take to kick in
With modern Technology he’s 50/50 on playing today.
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 8, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
Well
We have the #1 run offense and their is still defense and special teams. Not all on the QB. I trust the coaching staff too. The Chiefs will still won bc they are the better “team”.
Lots of negativity on this board. I wouldn’t write off the Chiefs, Croyle, or the Coaching staff. Won’t be easy, but no divisional game is.
Time to slam the door on the Chargers and there are multiple ways to do so on Sunday.
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Yeah but you're a SwimCoach
what do you know about football ;)
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SC is one of the most knowledgable guys on this board
and he’s right … even if his spelling and grammar are atrocious (and they are)
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by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 8, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
ahhhhhh missed da winky, bad eyeballs here
goes with being older than dirt
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Just for you Ups
I’ll say JK from now on, or put it in sarcasm font.
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 8, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
well, thing is ...
I was there when my Dad sold the original recipe for dirt to The Almighty Hisself
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So you're a Titan?
Do you know Liam Neeson? Awesome
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 8, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Jeff Fisher
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I feel like this situation happens in the NFL where a backup QB steps in a critical game and pulls it off. His stock rises and becomes the hottest item on the market. Hopefully he rips it up and we sign him up for a couple years. Teams through players and picks for Croyle’s services (Cards, Panthers, Bills, Seahawks, etc.).
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by SwimCoach on Dec 8, 2010 7:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have lots of faith in Croyle
not so much in us winning this game, per se … but that has nothing to do with my faith in Croyle
and yeah, I do hope they keep him around … I like the guy, more talent than a lot of other guys out there right now
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I was texting on my phone today about Brodie
and when I typed his name, my swype thought I wanted the word “brittle”. No bullshit.
That being said, I am comfortable with Croyle starting. As a matter of fact, considering his surgery I believe we SHOULD give Cassel the week off just for safety.
MS Outlook
spell checker wants to make Nascar into mascara. Kind of fits imo.
I love me some Shaun Smith!
off topic but
the picture at the top of the mothership front page is hilarious. look at leonard pope
I'm actually a little excited about seeing Brodie out there
He has never had this balanced of a team around him. There is no question that his arm is better than Cassel’s and with the better protection I think we could see something good. Gannon-Grbac part 2 here we come
NFL Network is saying that he's expected to play...
Guess we’ll find out. Still, of all the games for him to miss, it’s the one where I had his jersey picked out to wear on sunday…
better yet, get an Iron On Tattoo
be a REAL man
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yup, just put my Bowe in the washer
Cassel will be riding in the backseat of my car though, in the slim event that he’s a go.
if someone has a TIVO we can freeze time, right?
that way if Croyle tosses a pick or Charles fumbles we can undo it …
damn I love modern technology
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
we call it "being prepared"
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Damn.
I just checked and they’re showing Patriots @ Bears here. We used to get a ton of AFC West games, especially involving the Chargers and Raiders.
Looks like I’ll be doing the online thing again…
I spilled spot remover on my dog... now he's gone.
Sweet
7 is around the 35 yard line, row 4. I’ll be with 2 other guys in chiefs jerseys and a charger fan. Should be fun. Are you tailgating??
yeah, headed out there around 9am
told heather we’d swing by their tailgate. It’s just me and the wife but we’re riding with some charger friends.
you live in SD?
I've worn my Bowe the last 2 years
I wanted to switch it up, and my 2 friends already called Flowers and Charles.
go slow if you hit any speed bumps
he’ll be a bit sore after the appendectomy
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Dec 8, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And yes, I've considered it
The arrowhead on my left asscheek. Something is telling me to hold off for a moment though.
shhhhhhhhhhh
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Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Uh, can you throw?
I say put on that jersey and show up. You go in first series.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Dec 8, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Haley said it is a goal of the mgmt to "endear" Matt to the fans
Maybe they are setting up a “oh man, do you remember when Matt Cassel took us into the playoffs three days after having surgery.” “Oh hell yeah, that was awesome!” “That was the beginning of the dynasty!”
he could hand out thousand dollar bills to fans as they enter the stadium
that would endear him to a LOT of people
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as I remember
it was a stack of 20’s at the bus stop… but yeah 1000’s at teh stadium would do just fine
hell I was extremely happy with my monday night terrible towel
what just happened?
by ArrowheadHunter on Dec 8, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm happy with Croyle starting
He did good against Baltimore last year who were one of the top defenses. and he had absolutely no run game and our defense was horrible. yet we came awful close to winning that game. Show us what you got Brodie
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
Hali and Flowers are Pro Bowlers, even if the NFL fails to realise it
I remember Croyle playing pretty well that game...
wasn’t it our safeties that gave up big yardage (Todd Heap) and essentially the game.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Yep some clutz called Mike Brown was the key offender
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
Hali and Flowers are Pro Bowlers, even if the NFL fails to realise it
by trentchiefsfan on Dec 8, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
I am actually almost as confident that Croyle could win as I was that Cassel could have
We have an offensive system that is much more comfortable/supportive than anything Croyle has ever had. He may be a bit behind in the rate at which he moves through his progressions, but as long as we can run effectively and Croyle can avoid turnovers and throw it away instead of getting sacked, we will win. We may not win solidly (I don’t see Croyle being as effective against the blitz) but if we avoid penalties, this team can win on the road.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 8, 2010 8:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Avoiding turnovers is the key
As long as the game stays close and our run game is still in play we have a chance. There will be 4-6 3rd down plays that could decide this game. Croyle just needs to make the correct reads on those key plays.
Even if he doesn't
We may still win…I think we stop their run game, make them one-dimensional, and blitz the QB on third down (how the Raiders beat them, and how we beat Denver, another great passing offense)
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 8, 2010 8:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yes
But with Jackson and Sproles not likely to play and Gates not at 100%, we should be able to overcome a few mistakes by our secondary
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by PVChiefsfan on Dec 8, 2010 9:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If Cassel does play
then that would show us that they have know faith in Croyle. No way Cassel should play this game if Haley thinks Croyle can do a decent job.
by bringbacktheglory on Dec 8, 2010 8:40 PM CST reply actions
There is good news here
1. Only films of Brodie available for SD are him running Herm’s offense…ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
2. No pressure – Thigpen not breathing down his neck.
3. Pictures of wife will be back in the paper.
Mark it down.
The passing offense will be more explosive this week with Croyle at QB. He might make some mistakes and might not be as consistent as Cassel, but I think the passing offense has more explosive plays than with Cassel.
The Chiefs will play action on the first play and Croyle will chuck it deep.
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I agree
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by PVChiefsfan on Dec 8, 2010 9:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yes, and there will be more picks, more sacks, and more injured QB's carted off the field too
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All those things are quite possible too. :)
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So what should we expect?
We should expect him to lace em get on the field and lead the team to a victory.
I’m sure he expects no less of himself.
okay reality………
Should probably expect an interception and two or three sacks.
55-65% completion percentage (yds largely depends on Haley and the score)
1 or 2 TD’s – I think 2
Expect Haley to try to force the run even with eight in the box.
Expect no passes on 1st down if we are leading or the score is tied.
Expect a trick play or two (Haley will think we need it to win). we dont
It's funny, I was thinking this morning that the Chiefs ought to get Brodie some playing time
here at the end of the season so they could make some decisions about him. Let’s face it, he could probably take the starting QB jobs in Arizona or Carolina tomorrow. And probably SF as well.
The good news in all of this is that it happened early in the week so Croyle gets an opportunity to work with the starting offense and has a chance to get some timing down with the receivers. It also gives Weis and Haley a chance to reshape the offensive game plan to better fit him. It will be interesting to see how this goes. I expect the Chargers to blitz the crap out of him and try to put him on the bench as well, based on his history. But I’m assuming Weis has coached him as well, so it will be interesting to see how he plays – I don’t believe there’s any chance Cassel is out there this weekend.
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lots of positive comments
I too be;lieve Brodie has not had a decent chance with a GOOD team. Think NFL might be in for a surprise.
Call Me Crazy, BUT I look forward to seeing Brodie play in this system...
First off let me start that I think Matt Cassel is a good quarterback with growing flares of greatness thanks to Charlie Weis.
I think Brodie has grown up alot since we seen him in action last. I think he put into this system can have a great outcome. Our line can protect him and he can throw a deep, hard ball to Tucker or Dexter. I think Moeaki and Bowe will have double coverage alot and with the right reads Brodie could destroy the Chargers defense. He the go zone he can throw the dink and dunk passes all day.
The way I look at it is the Chargers will be convinced that we will run all day because our backup QB and receivers don’t have timing and everything down. I think our passing game would surprise them better if Croyle was under center.
Outcome: Chiefs still win.
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OK, you're crazy.
Call Me Crazy, BUT I look forward to seeing Brodie play in this system…
Brodie Croyle is not this rough around the edges, heaped with talent, just never got the chance QB that I keep seeing people say he is.
Brodie Croyle on the field looks a lot like the Jay Cutler that played in weeks 1-5 for the bears. He’s a guy with a strong arm that can throw a deep ball, only he makes really really poor decisions and often counts on his arm strength to zing a ball in somewhere that he never should have thrown it in the first place. – That’s Brodie. That’s what he’s shown the vast majority of the time that he’s been on the field throughout his NFL career.
Go ahead and blame the Oline (that that wasn’t so bad as to send any other QB’s out with injury 6 out 9 games). Blame the lack of a running game…that Thigpen seems to be able to work around and still make the offense exciting (bad, but exciting). Make all the excuses you like, just remember:
The truth is that Brodie Croyle has spent his career holding a clipboard for a reason. Even at his clumsiest, Matt Cassel was still the better QB at reading the defense and not making dumb decisions. Cassel may have taken sacks holding on to the ball too long….but Croyle would have thrown the ball 55 yards down the field, off his back foot, into tripple coverage, while being hit at the same time….. A stronger arm does not make for a better QB: Just ask Tom Cable.
For the Chiefs to win Croyle will have to hand the ball off a lot, and manage the game, and take advantage of play action underneath passes, as well as having to learn how to go beyond his 1st read before he tries to force a ball into someone that isn’t open. The reason Todd Haley had to scream from the sideline “SNAP THE FUCKING BALL BRODIE”, is that Croyle is so poor at pre-snap reads of the defense.
The biggest factor in the Chief’s being able to beat the Chargers this time around will be the play of the defense, and limiting turnovers and penalities. Croyle is a back up QB, and that’s where he belongs.
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