Croyle's Moment
Matt Cassel will not be playing on Sunday. Croyle will start...in the biggest game of his career and the most important game in recent Chiefs history.
I have never been one of these Croyle advocates who called for him to start when Cassel was struggling. And that's not to say that I've been sold on Cassel the whole season either (although now I'm fairly convinced that he's blossoming into the sought-after QB everyone thought he was in the tizzy to trade for him the off-season after he stepped-in for Brady).
All that being said, I think, in this game, at this moment, in this season, Croyle is not only going to perform well on Sunday, but may turn some heads in the process.
The Chargers are great...on paper.
First, lets take a few things into account about our opponent. The much-hyped Chargers are struggling. I love arguing with Chargers fans because they almost have a sense of entitlement to the AFC West title every year. "They always start late". "Phillip Rivers is one of the top 3 QB's in the league." "We have the #1 offense and defense in the NFL, its only special teams that are holding us back."
The third statement, to me, is the most absurd. Statistically, yes, the Chargers have allowed on average the fewest yards on defense. And yes, they have a lot of offensive yards. But average yards a game isn't the sole indicator of offensive/defensive effectiveness. Part of the reason their numbers are inflated is because of their poor special teams play. Typically, they are looking at a very long field whenever they get the ball. Also, when opposing offenses get the ball, often times they don't need a lot of yards to get a touchdown. This is the reason why, although they lead the league in yards allowed, they are 16th in points allowed.
The Charger defense barks loud on paper but bites like a 90-year-old with their dentures out on Sunday -- as was evident last Sunday against the Raiders. If you haven't seen that game yet and can, watch it -- you see the Chargers get destroyed for 60 minutes. There was never a moment in this game when the Chargers were in it. A few key stats:
-- Time of Possession -- 38:39 for the Raiders.
-- 3rd Down Conversions -- 8/15, (2/2 on 4th) for the Raiders, 3/10 (0/2) for the Chargers
-- First-downs rushed-for by the Chargers -- ZERO.
-- Rushing Yards for the Chargers -- 21.
The scoreboard didn't say it but the Raiders stomped the Chargers.
Another problem the Chargers were having was actually with Rivers' accuracy. Yes, invincible, all-awesome, all-knowing Phillip Rivers threw MANY terrible passes in last week's game. Some due to pressure, others that were just botched passes. Even when he was throwing completions, the ball was off the mark, not hitting the receiver in stride.
This was due in part to the Raiders playing a very solid gameplan against the Chargers (that I think we should emmulate). They dropped at least two and up to four guys into deep zone coverage every pass. Sometimes this was over the top of man coverage and other times just big zone coverages. Rivers seemed exceptionally frustrated by this, especially with those deep crossing-routes and post routes that he throws so well. The Raiders took those throws away from him and tackled the check-down guy well the whole game and the result was an anemic performance by the Charger's offense.
And finally, the Chargers special teams were terrible again. On top of that, the primary kick returner will in all likelihood not be playing against the Chiefs as he sustained a concussion on this devastating hit by Rolando McClain (this clip should be rated at least R).
Getting back to Croyle, the point of all of this is that although this is a big game, we're facing an opponent who does not even come close to the Cowboys-esque hype they have been showered with all season.
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So how does Croyle fit into this? Well lets just break this down pro-con style.
Croyle's Cons:
-- He's brittle -- This has been the primary reason he hasn't started nearly as much as his competition since he was drafted. There are some positions in the NFL where, if a player suffers occasional injuries, the team and the gameplan can remain unphased. QB is NOT one of them. Thus, in spite of some consistent performances in pre-season and during other opportunities and even some moments of brilliance, he just can't be a starting QB because you can't rely on him to be able to play every week.
-- Inexperience in big games -- We have never seen Croyle in a situation like Sunday will present. His capacity to step-up in the clutch is a total wild-card. We'll see.
-- Game speed -- I think this is the biggest one. No amount of practice can prepare a player, especially a QB, to be fully adapted to the speed of the NFL. Croyle will need a drive or two before he's really comfortable.
Croyle's Pros:
-- System -- Croyle is not some vet we picked-up off the street or a burn-out first round pick working on his second chance. He's been a Chief for the same duration and in the same system as Cassel for just as long. He's not some scrub -- he's a guy we've been developing for years now.
-- Culture -- One of the main reasons the Chiefs have had such a great season, even with many roster deficiencies, is that everyone has bought into the culture of Chiefs Will. In those types of locker-room environments, back-up QB's do their homework just as much as starters. This isn't some half-baked rebuilding team that has stumbled into some wins, its a motivated group of young players who believe in each other.
-- Arm -- anyone who has watched Croyle play before knows that he's got plenty of arm. He can make all the throws on the route tree. At times, he has struggled with precision. But the types of passes that will get the Chiefs going (below) won't be the kind that require pin-point accuracy.
-- the Other 10 -- the Chiefs have had a successful offense this year because of contributions from all the offensive players on the field. And since Croyle has been a product of that system for as long as Cassel, he should be able to take advantage of some of the same weapons/tactics that Cassel has all season.
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Why Croyle can win and impress:
1. Contain defense -- The Chargers were AWFUL at contain defense last week.
Take this play for example. Cambell does a simple play-fake to the right and Applewhite just has no clue. The laugh-factor on this one is a 10 out of 10, a real "com' on man!" moment.
While this may seem anecdotal, it was actually a pretty consistent problem for the Chargers the whole game. Applewhite was actually less guilty of failing to set the edge as Shaun Phillips was. Part of the reason why the Raiders were able to run the ball for 251 yards on the Chargers defense.
When the OLB's in a 3-4 defense have to over-compensate for containment, their pass-rushing ability is substantially mitigated. Thus, early in the game, the Chiefs have got to catch Applewhite and Phillips losing contain.
Look for the Chiefs to use Charles to do this. Another way to take advantage of this is McCluster coming on reverses or at least frequently coming across the backfield to take the fake from Croyle. I wouldn't be surprised to see McCluster get multiple hand-offs on reverses and maybe even a big gain or two.
Once the Chargers began to over-compensate for lack of containment in the second half against the Raiders, much more running opportunities started to present themselves up the middle as well. And since both Luis Castillo and Antonio Garay are pretty beat-up, those inside rushes can have pretty high success rates. The Raiders had just 2 plays for negative yards (not counting QB kneels). One was for -2. The other was a sack for -1.
2. Seattle parallels
Going into the Seattle game, it seemed as though the Chief's offense had been decrypted and destroyed -- put 8 guys in the box to stop the run, make Matt Cassel beat you. Well, he did...with remarkable efficiency.
Similarly, in this game, if you're the Chargers, you've gotta be thinking 'make the back-up beat us'. So I would expect to see a lot of guys in the box, especially early in the game.
The problem with putting that many guys in the box is that you often times leave your corners on islands without safety help over the top. This typically means that the corner has got to play off of the receiver by a few yards to avoid getting burned deep. Here's how that worked-out for Seattle on Bowe's 3rd touchdown.
Expecting run, Seattle crowds the box and the result is Bowe's slant is good for a touchdown. If you play off of Bowe, a quick 3-step drop on a slant pattern will work very often. And this is a throw that isn't too difficult to make, a throw that can get Croyle into a rhythm. We threw it a LOT in the Seattle game.
The Chargers have a much better CB than any player for Seattle, however, so they may choose to put Quentin Jammer tight on Bowe in press coverage. But Bowe is great with his hands and very strong so this is an exceptionally risky move for the Bolts. One missed jam and its a huge gain. Furthermore, the 3rd down conversion against the Seahawks that ended the game was also a good indication of Bowe's route-running ability and how he can beat press coverage. Bowe ran about 2 steps into a slant and then wheeled around behind the defenders back into a fade pattern that was good for 17 yards on a 3rd and 1 with 5:57 left in the game. This double move was pretty and the sort of thing that can create big plays early.
If Croyle can employ some of the techniques that Cassel did to beat the 8-in-the-box strategy that the Chargers will likely employ, he can get into a rhythm and force the Bolts to loosen defensive formations in a way that allows for more power running. Against the Raiders, the Bolts were terrible against the run.
3. Chargers offensive woes.
The Chargers ran the ball for 21 yards against the Raiders. You read that correctly -- 21 yards. This is because of 3 factors in my opinion: 1. Tolbert has a broken right hand which means he's a fumble risk every time he touches the ball. 2. Sproles got hurt -- see hit above...ouch. 3. the Chargers are very quick to give-up on the run if they get down by many points and put the game in Rivers' hands.
All three of those factors could be similar in the Chiefs game this weekend. Tolbert will still have a broken hand, Sproles probably won't play at all, and we have demonstrated this season that we can score early in games.
Furthermore, the more the Chargers spread the field the throw the ball, the better our defense gets. I made a post about the Chief's 2-4 nickel defense earlier this season and so far, they've had a lot of success in that package. An early lead means the Chargers may give us lots of opportunities from that formation.
Lastly, Rivers just did not look sharp last week. His passes were inaccurate, he was missing receivers...I don't know what was going on but he just wasn't sharp. This is one of those passes he loves to throw -- high and over the middle -- but he throws it into coverage and the ball is just way too high for his receiver who's being blanketed by arguably the best CB in the league. This is just one example but he was looking bad the whole game. I think this was in part due to Oakland's persistent use of lots of deep coverage designed to take away those deep crosses and posts the Chargers run.
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Keys to the Game:
1. The first quarter.
The Chiefs need to score in the first quarter. Putting San Diego behind means that they will quickly abandon the run and give our defense the ability to put our best foot forward in nickel package. If the Bolts jump out to an early lead, it could be big problems for Croyle who will feel the impending pressure of having to play catch-up.
On-schedule offense in the first quarter will also get Croyle accustomed to game speed early on.
2. Get Croyle involved without putting the game on his shoulders.
An outside may look at this game and think "well, the Chiefs should probably just rely on their #1 rushing attack and try to throw as little as possible." I think that this would be a mistake. Croyle has experience in this system, he practices the same offense that Cassel does, and will be surrounded by the same weapons on Sunday.
The Chiefs need to let him throw the ball some on our first few possessions. But those passes should be quick, 3-step drop, relatively non-difficult, low-risk passes just to get him accustomed to game speed. The Chiefs cannot win this game without Croyle making a play at some point. So we need to get him in rhythm early to avoid having him blow it late in the game.
3. Beat the 8-in-the-box strategy.
The Bolts will definitely come out of the gate attempting to shut-down the running game with numbers. We need to find a way to be successful against this strategy early in the game to get them to open-up and let us get our backfield working. This key to the game is almost entirely on Croyle's shoulders but a good scheme means the throws he'll have to make won't be all that difficult.
4. The edge's.
This play, I think, was one of the greatest examples of why we're able to protect the QB this year. Brandon Albert had been using his quick-feet to get out on the pass rusher early in the game, sticking to his outside shoulder to ensure that containment/edge rushing was limited. This sets-up this play against the 49ers, because the contain man attempts to make an inside move to get to the QB. Albert shoves him to the inside to take him out of the play as Cassel delays slightly and sprints to hand-off to Charles. Once the contain man is out of the play, Albert is setting a second-level block for Charles. The message to the defensive coordinator: our tackles are going to contain the edge rush and if you give-up containment, we'll make you pay with our home-run hitter.
Similarly, running against the edges of this Chargers defense that has been having problems containing can solve two problems for us:
a. Box-crowding. Instead of Phillips and Applewhite crashing to the inside, they have to stay at home to make sure they can set the edge. Once this isolates the 3 down linemen to a greater extent, we can take advantage of their nagging injuries and out-power them up front.
b. Pass rushing. OLB's have to account for the run, spefically draws, a lot more, giving Croyle more time to get comfortable in the pocket.
This is not a new strategy, its something we've been doing all year and the reason why we've been able to protect the QB so well.
5. Time of Possession.
Despite struggling last week, River's is still dangerous. Keeping him on the sideline is obviously advantageous. And an easy thing to do, apparently, because the Chargers cannot and/or are unwilling to run the football. The Chiefs, on the other hand, are the league's best rushing team. We can control the ball for the majority of the game if Croyle can hold his own against defensive alignments that force him to throw the football (8 in the box, etc.)
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The Chargers are not nearly as good as their hype would suggest. Because of that and other factors, they are a very beatable team.
On Sunday, Croyle will play the most important game of his football career and, I think, because of assets that he has around him, he will rise to the challenge. This is a tremendous opportunity for him and given the culture that exists in the Chief's locker room right now, expect to see a team rise-up to support him in his most important moment.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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great post and awesome analysis ... annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd wreck'd
from what Weis has said, the Chiefs will do (or try to do) what they’ve done all year: run first … should the Chargers stack the box, I have no doubt Croyle can and will pick apart their Secondary (if allowed) … if the Chargers play it “straight up” it invites us to run it down their throats, and we will
I know Weis wants to keep it simple, keep it to a “short game” … not because he doesn’t think Croyle can get it downfield, but rather because that’s our game
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Wow, what a lot of work.
Appreciate the effort. Very good post. rec.
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I'll say this cus I haven't seen it said:
I’m not worried about the crowd. Croyle set records at Alabama, and places like LSU and Gainesville get every bit as loud as Qualcomm or whereever SD is playing these days.
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Very good point
After watching that Raiders game, the crowd is almost a complete non-factor. There wasn’t a single occasion where Cambell had to step away from the center to clarify the audible. They cheered loud but not strategically. I can recall quite a few 3rd downs for Oakland where you could hear a pin drop. The loudest they got was when they booed. Not a single “its getting loud in here” comment by the announcers. Did they even beat the blackout yet?
by hornetchiefsfan on Dec 10, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
but that's only because so many Chiefs fans will be there
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I don't think the crowd will be a problem either.
But I’m not sure college games played five years ago will help him much there. I just think he’s been around long enough to handle a Qualcomm crowd. If it was Seattle or Atlanta or something, I may be a little concerned.
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This was a great post.
I had to shave half way thru it but, still a great post. You make great points. However, I do believe SD is that good. On paper and on the field they are very productive on both sides of the ball. If the Chiefs win, it will be because they beat a very good football team. I’m not discounting the Bolts ability any at all in this game. We will see their best game Sunday. The Raiders tore them up and i’m happy about that but, if that is reflective of their overall team performance then so is the thrashing we took in Mile High. I wouldn’t count on a repeated performance.
At some point you are how you play
I know that whole record thing but it is not as indicative.
The Chargers caught Indy wounded, The Raiders caught SD wounded and beat the crap out of them. Good for KC :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 10, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Point taken.
Some of the things I say you have to take with a grain of salt considering I get nervous even when we play the bottom feeder teams.
Crap I wish it was Sunday already.
I agree
They have so much talent and — as coach Haley pointed out — skill that the shouldn’t be looked-past. But at the same time, one could’ve argued that last week against the Raiders was a must-win game for them at home and I just didn’t see competitive spirit on film. I really think that there is a big contrast between the Chiefs and Chargers that shows on the field. The Chargers players don’t have as much of a will to win because they know that regardless of how well they play, next season, or when their contract is up, they could be the next Marcus McNeill — do everything right, exceed expectations but still get snubbed if AJ Smith is feeling stingy. Pioli on the other hand…well I think that SI article gave me a pretty good impression of how he thinks of a football team.
But you are very right that their embarrassment over last week will motivate them. Just a question of how much.
by hornetchiefsfan on Dec 11, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
this IS it for the Chargers: win and stay in the race, lose and any hope of playoffs is gone
I simply can’t imagine they come out “flat” this week against the Chiefs … I just hope the Chiefs don’t come out as “flat” as they did in Mile High
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right, we cannot afford to take the chargers lightly
I think they will come to play. I think raiders had a good game plan but I also think that the chargers have an arrogance about them that sometimes gets the better of them. Last week was one of those times.
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A very good breakdown with links :)
I voted 100 yards and 0/0 but I think he will have a few more yards and a TD pass.
0 interceptions is huge though.
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One of the best and most informative posts I’ve ever read. Thanks for taking the time, it was a great read, and I’m with you 100 percent
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Thx for the post. Prob'ly have to read it twice, though.
I’m interested to see if they’re just going to throw rhythm no-matter-what passes, or if they’re going to give Croyle his head.
The only thing about the safe passes you (and I) have been talking about is that I think San Diego’s smart enough to know all that stuff. I think it’s more subtle than you or I will ever capture with the written word. But the fun is in the chase, and the game’s afoot.
I think it quite likely that the Bolts will try the bum’s rush and sit on the short stuff, expecting and hoping that’s all the KC QB will have time to see. Some have said KC ought to uncork something deep. And that might be the answer. Something ugly that just beats the blitz, ending with a completion down the field, and with Croyle getting knocked on his ass. In order to break the ice, KC might just need a big play or two like that.
Not looking for the double move, unless there’s early heat that Croyle has to sidestep. Sometimes, if you can survive that first wave, the secondary breaks down quickly, and the easy completions are there, if the protections are spot-on and the QB is sharp. My main concern with the programmatic quick passing game is if you’re predictably in that mode, the players in coverage can jump all your routes, and essentially ignore the double move.
I wonder if the Chiefs will go with the double TEs, myself. It’s a good way to max protect, get blockers down the field on screens, and get 4 or 5 guys into the pattern. It’s not so much beating their #1 guy as it is getting SOMEone in a size/speed mismatch out of the 4 or 5 guys.
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Yeah but in most two TE sets you're giving up your Slot WR
And I’d really like to see a lot of Dex tomorrow.
Maybe some Ace packages with Moeaki moving around from TE to FB depending on the call and situation?
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I like most of the H-back stuff, and Moeaki can fill that role, either lining up deep, motioning pre-snap, or just pulling across the formation post-snap.
But you put your finger on the hole that I was thinking about when I commented. I comforted myself with the thought that Dex would get a few snaps as the single setback. From that personnel grouping, you could give a 4- or 5-wides look, with Moeaki as 5th wideout, or you could flip to something closer to a pro set, with Moeaki in H-back mode.
This personnel group could pose problems, because of its versatility, and high execution level in either mode. You dare not run nickel against the double tight ends, but if you don’t run nickel, KC’s capable of spreading things out and getting a nice mismatch into the pattern. And I’d include Pope in that mismatch conversation, because he’d likely be the insufficiently accounted-for target.
One thing I do NOT want to see is BOTH Jamaal and Dexter on the field at the same time heading in the same direction. You get more out of both of ‘em if you send them to opposite flanks. When you run Jamaal and Dexter the same direction, the defense will mow over one of them getting to the other, imo. I don’t mind setting both of ’em up in the backfield at the same time, but send them in opposite directions, which gives you more than asking either one to just block for the other.
Very true
And one thing I think they’ll also employ is some zone-blitzing out of those 8 in the box alignments. They’ll show 8 blitzing, blitz 5 on an overload to the side that d-bowe is not on, and drop some of them into short zone cover underneath his slant patterns. Against that, we’ll just have to run anyway to Bowe’s side and hope our o-line can get a good push with their LB’s back-peddling. Or the Chiefs could try too break contain on some of those big blitzes.
I also think that a good double-move early in the game would be a good way to check them. Overall, we’ve gotta have a great scheme to get him eased into the game.
by hornetchiefsfan on Dec 11, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
The trick will be to keep the QB on his feet long enough to pull it off.
Might be some trick value in the early flea-flicker, for instance, but I think KC just needs to eke out some tough quick-hitters and solid running, before they can afford to try much long-ball. I really want to make San Diego BITE on the fake, before relying on it to buy Croyle much time. I think they’ll be looking to overload blitz, as you say, and KC will have to prove they can beat it. I just don’t think that coming out in the 1st possession with play calls that are predicated on buying Croyle a lot of time in the pocket are very smart.
Yes, they were vulnerable to the play fake against Chokeland.
But Chokeland MADE them vulnerable by running right at them successfully. I don’t think KC can just power-run up the gut with much success. They’ll have to get their 1st downs in some other way. But they will have to run it up the middle numerous times, to really freeze those LBs.
Great post ..
I expect Brody to be on target and to keep the Chief’s rolling to a division title. He’s got a great arm, has been in the sytem so he knows the throws and with our rushing attack I expect it to be a long day for the Charger’s.
I agree. This is not a game to be taken for granted by either team. But Croyle isn't why Chiefs should worry.
I’ve been a big-time Cassel defender for a long time, now. But for the same reasons I defended him when things were going poorly, I’m not as concerned about his missing a game. I think that the OTHER 10 guys getting their shit together has more to do with KC’s success, and the scalpel that opened up Cassel’s midsection didn’t touch any of those other 10 guys. Croyle has great mechanics and heart, and he’s in a system that doesn’t WANT the QB to do a lot of forcing passes into tight windows, or taking big hits all day because they’re expecting miracles from the QB. Just take what’s there when you can see it. Execute your game plan and keep your eyes open.
you mean the other 21 ... we do have to play defense, too
the OTHER 10 guys getting their shit together has more to do with KC’s success
in fact, let’s call it the other 44 (active players) … counting reserves, STs, everyone … plus Croyle, who is, as you so rightly said, the least of our worries this game
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awesome post
reading posts like this and most other ones we often have here make me happy again we have AP. if when we get to the playoffs, imagine the awesomeness we’ll have on here then! hopefully we’re going into the post season as a force instead of lucking into it like last time (what was AP like then? first season of the blog no?) and we’ll see if we can crash this thing…
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I think Croyle will put up basically the same numbers that Cassel does. He’ll probably get a pick though and maybe a little less on the completion percentage. I have a feeling our defense is going to have a hell of a game.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
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They really remind me of the maturation of New England's young D this season.
But this will be a stern test. Great QB and talented (BIG) WR corps. But how close to football shape is VJ? How much will they miss Nanee? Their big men took a beating last week. Except for Glenn Dorsey, NONE of KC’s d-line rotation has taken an absurd number of snaps.
I think a big part of San Diego being favored is onlookers questioning whether KC can really cover all their weapons. And it’s a legit question. Floyd and Jackson are TREES. Flowers can stick like glue and STILL be out of position for a well-placed ball, just on height alone.
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Very good breakdown of both Croyle and the SD game.
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Great post, very informative
I agree wholeheartedly about your analysis on Croyle except one statement you made definitely has me worried:
The Chiefs cannot win this game without Croyle making a play at some point. So we need to get him in rhythm early to avoid having him blow it late in the game
This is the same QB that has yet to win a game he has started, hasn’t looked the part of “playmaker/game winner” in his career, and faces a pretty stout pass rush that may rattle him based more on Croyle’s recent inexperience of game situations, especially one of this magnitude, more than anything else.
I can see the game being relatively close initially (although I have a creeping feeling of dread of a game like @Denver), but our true shortcomings of an inexperienced backup QB that hasn’t excelled when given the opportunity will show through. I voted on 15 att., 100 yds., 0 TDs, 0 INTs b/c I see Croyle playing like the coaches want him too, limiting mistakes, not taking too many risks, but I just don’t see the playmaker ability to win us this game. I can only hope he won’t have to win the game for us.
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I disagree
Look at P Manning this year with all the guys hurt,weak line and lack of D and they are still better than Croyle’s Chiefs team.With that being said He would have been lucky to win 3 of 9 Croyle’s games and thats one of the best qbs all time.I am excited to see what he can do with a real team.He didnt do bad aginst the Ravens and we are much bettter now.
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‘Most everything I’ve seen from Croyle has looked like very good talent, good-to-great mechanics and throwing arm. If he’s absorbed all the teachings this last two years, and the game has slowed down for him, he could be very very dangerous.
But it’s all “could” at this point. He still has to notch a victory and a good Missourian is entirely within the norm by being a Croyle skeptic, at this point. I’m inclined to skepticism, myself, but I also trust what my eyes say about Croyle’s individual play. Reasoning from that to the MUCH better looks that Cassel has been getting from the OTHER 10 guys, I’m pretty optimistic about Croyle.
In fact, I’m pretty optimistic about the Chiefs’ chances, on the whole. Plenty to be worried about, but this KC team started the season much better than expected, and they’ve been getting better, right along, and they’re FRESHER than their December opponents, which I expected, coming in, but they’ve rotated their D-Line in some ways I didn’t expect, coming in, especially later on with that nickel. So they’re even better off in the conditioning and rest category than even this Kool-Aid addict expected.
great post....
i just dont agree with every one doubting the 0-9 record… i mean everybody has to get there first win sooner or later… not every good QB starts out on a hot streak… i think we will be fine with croyle :)
by kc fan from korea (army) on Dec 11, 2010 9:25 AM CST reply actions
Its Definately Croyles BIG GAME!!! Injury Prone but a key player in times of need!
The Offensive Line has done there job this year and I think Croyle will be a lot more comfortable in the pocket. Is it Sunday YET? Fantastic Post by the Way!
PLEASE.... Play Good!!!!
Can we get some Vegas help PLEASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSE!LOL.. You know that the gambblers are gonna plunge on the chargers so in some odd case we’ll pull out a win!!lol
Chargers favored by as much as 9.5 points over Chiefs
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Great post! Thanks for all the research, made for a great read. Rec'd
I also believe SD will load the box and force Croyle to take them out of that alignment by using his arm. If we can start out with some playaction and a few slants I’m hoping that might do the trick. Of course, one of our receivers busting one loose early couldn’t hurt either :)
This would be a great time for Charlie to have DEX run the play where he threw the TD during the LSU game!
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
Early playaction would be nice, but I'm not sure that turning his back to the defense early will be good for Brodie's health.
I think it’s more likely to get him blindsided by the blitz. I kinda want Brodie try to hit a slant, before they fake the slant and go up the field with the ball. I’m fairly confident about the offense being able to set him up for the double moves at SOME point, off the play fake, but I think they want to be fairly sure they’ve set the Bolts up to bite on the fakes, first. Looking for and taking the hot routes might be the best, ugliest way to keep the offense on the field, early.
Chiefs have come out a couple times hitting Bowe 10+ yards down the field to start games, and if Bolts expect that, it could be very bad for Croyle to uncork that pass right away. I LOVE seeing Bowe notching the early reception. It’s a tremendous weight off my shoulders, and gives my confidence a real boost when games start out that way, as it does the Chiefs, I expect. I can just see an aggressive run/pass blitz stuffing the early long-ball attempts. Throw a few stiff jabs, before coming with the right hook.
Turning ones back to the D is never a trivial thing, so good point on playaction against the blitz.
My original thinking was SD would be expecting us to try and establish the run early, that’s why I mentioned playaction. I neglected to take into consideration Brodie will need to get readjusted to game speed, so you’re probably right about playaction early, The way teams have been stacking the box against us lately, If we do utilize it I hope he’s ready with the hot read.
I like slants too, but if my memory is correct, they require the defender to be off the LOS about 10 yards or so. If they’re in press coverage, I’m not sure if they even throw it. If SD bites on fakes even 1/2 as bad as they did against the Raiders last week, we should be ok. Man, those killed them in that game. Screens also work well on penetrating D’s. I agree with you on allowing Bowe to get a couple of completions early. It does seem that the earlier he becomes involved the better he does, and the team for that matter.
All the talking heads on NFLN seem to think Brodie can’t throw at all. They’re saying we’re now 100% one dimensional for this game. We both know he has a gun, so lets hope he gets to throw for 175-200 yards. I love it when we can prove those idiots wrong.
Despite all the coachspeak, this is truly their biggest game to date. I’m interested to see how our young team handles the pressure.
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
So much for THAT, rwalke10.
I still like Croyle’s mechanics and arm, when he has time. But he wasn’t up to the pressure last Sunday. That game tape could’ve come from ’08.
Had to log in
and rec this. Really nice post! Croyle has the tools IF he can avoid TO’s and getting broke in half.
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He's a pitbull mixed with redbone coonhound
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by hornetchiefsfan on Dec 12, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Watch Croyle just completely destroy SD and STL.
and then KC Fan go nuts when Grbac—err, Cassel gets the start in the playoffs.
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He sure destroyed them...
0-10. Final nail in the coffin for Croyle lovers I hope.
by MaxiVisVires on Dec 12, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Croyle's moment is now over
Thank the football gods. I hope Cassel is healthy for next weeks game, but the chances are slim. We may have to endure another week of weak play.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Yeah...
my optimism clearly did not take into account a moronic offensive game plan.
by hornetchiefsfan on Dec 12, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
Same game plan that Cassel has been winning with all season
I don’t want to hear any more about how Croyle hasn’t gotten his chance with this much talent around him. He got his chance today and we see the results.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
yeah the same offensive philosophy which includes
1. Fauly Offensive protection
2. Bowe being himself……dropping the easy passes
3. which isnt our fault but the refs making horrible calls all game
the best one….
Charlie Weis running the ball first two plays and then passing on third down….sure worked well
Same game plan that Matt Cassel has been winning games with all year.
Make all the excuses you want, the game plan is the same. The biggest difference was the QB.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
I strongly supported Cassel before.
This just put the nail down on the coffin.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 12, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
He's had 4 years.
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by Texas Chief on Dec 13, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously, Croyle isn't your guy.
With Cassel, you would have been mollywhopped anyway. You might not have been blanked.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 13, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I guess we'll never know
(sighs)
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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 14, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
For the love of...
Really? I cannot stand this type of thing much longer.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Dec 14, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry Aiken...
but this was not the same gameplan. Weis’ playcalling was vanilla to say the least. Even in the 3rd quarter when we were already chasing 21, he was still trying to establish the run game. Albeit, Croyle was firing lasers to even the 5-yard checkdowns. Just saying the playcalling was much different than it has been in the previous games with Cassel at the helm.
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
by kcchiefsfan72 on Dec 14, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe it was similar
I don’t think nearly as creative, but even if it was the same gameplan, part of my point was that Croyle is not as good as Cassel and has a lot of downside BUT we still need him to make a play at some point. So the gameplan NEEDED to change to get him comfortable…it didn’t. In fact, it got less creative and he never really got a rhythm. Of course he’s not a good QB so its not like getting in a rhythm would’ve produced terrific results, but the gameplan didn’t even give him a chance to showcase his mediocrity.
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by hornetchiefsfan on Dec 16, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Totally agree with you Aiken.
Cassel is the man and I think you were right all along and i was wrong. There, i said it.
0-10 as a starter in four years. I've seen enough.
time to upgrade the position and player at the same time.
Croyle had his moment..
Now time to find a new line of work.
Give the ball to #25!
by Anderson 00 on Dec 13, 2010 3:44 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
He had his moment that everyone on this site has been screaming for all season...
and he blew it.
"Gonna gallop all over the Chiefs. Cleat prints on the chests. Mud in the face masks." - 2.7* *Yes I know it was changed to 2.9 but f*ck the statisticians.
by Kristospherein on Dec 14, 2010 11:22 AM CST reply actions
I love reading this after the fact.....lol
I'm a Chiefs biatch, don't @$%& with my team!
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Dec 14, 2010 11:29 AM CST reply actions
I don't think you put the sun in your receiver's eyes on a half-sunlit playing field on 3rd down.
Saw a couple of those. I kinda doubt they practice that way.
I love the quote from Belichick the other day. “What, you can’t throw a wet ball?” when he took the team out in a snowstorm to practice, and he caught Brady wiping off the ball.
I love the way the Patriots play in the snow.
Everybody’s at a disadvantage, but the offense knows where they’re going and the defense can’t change directions very well. The crap conditions, if the offense practices in all weathers, is actually an advantage for the offense, imo.
Brodie Croyle might be the worst quarterback in Chiefs history
Jamaal Charles + Thomas Jones= 2010 Playoffs

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