Arguing With a Raiders Fan
by MNchiefsfan on Nov 3, 2010 5:28 PM CDT
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PrintIt's Raider Week!!!! Time to renew our age-old rivalry against that team we all love to hate. And this year, it's EXTRA special. Why? Because the game actually MEANS something this year. For the last few years (really most of the last decade) these games have meant nothing other than bragging rights for the "We're not the worst team in the division!" award. Not exactly something to get crazy psyched about.
But this year? We're 5-2 and at the top of our division. Oakland is 4-4 and our closest competition, and is also coming off two consecutive blowouts. With this game, we can extend our lead in the division from OK to considerable, and they can pull right up next to us. The stakes are higher than they've been in years.
So naturally, we're all going to be talking smack to some Raider fans this week. So I thought I'd dust off the old "Arguing With..." series, rename it, and see what happens.
Many of you know the drill here. These are some simple an practical fact-based answers to the arguments that you're likely to hear from that guy who insists that the Raiders are going to destroy our Chiefs this Sunday. Knowing these things off the top of your head will save you some time when people come at you with simply wrong statements about the upcoming game.
Argument #1- "The Chiefs barely beat the Bills! They've had no real competition all year! We're going to POUND you guys!"
I've heard this one a few times and I have to shake my head every time. Here's the bottom line for us. We've played teams with a combined 21-32 record. That's admittedly not great. Of course, 25-28 isn't exactly light-years better is it? For those who don't know, that's the win-loss record for the teams Oakland has played. So they've played a slightly tougher schedule, and we've earned a better record. Wouldn't you think that cancels out?
And while we're on the subject of "barely beating" people and/or having a "weak schedule", let's be clear; the Chiefs have lost to a couple of upper-tier teams. Everyone else they've beaten. The Raiders, on the other hand, have lost to powerhouses like the San Francisco 49ers and the Arizona Cardinals. I'm pretty sure a close game against a bad team isn't as bad as an actual LOSS to a bad team. Maybe. But then, I'm weird like that...
Argument #2- The Chiefs are going to get run all over this Sunday! Darren McFadden is like no one they've faced, and your defense is going to be exposed for the frauds they are!"
OK, I'll give credit where credit it due. McFadden has looked very, very good this year. He's averaging 5.5 YPC and over 110 yards per game. That is incredible. He's looked like a great all-around back rather than merely some speed demon. Props to him for that, and that's great for those who cheer for the Silver and Black.
Here's the thing, though. This isn't exactly our first rodeo with a top-tier back. Or our second. Or our third. Take a look at the lineup of RB's we've faced. Matthews. Hillis. Gore. Addai. Foster. MJD. Jackson/Spiller.
I'll throw out Addai, Hillis, Matthews, and Jackson/Spiller as average to maybe a little above average backs. But it should be noted that none of them came close to 100 yards against us (Matthews came the closest with 78). But like I said, average backs. let's take a look at Gore, Foster, and MJD.
Those three are, without a doubt, upper-tier backs. They're ranked #2 (Foster), #5 (Gore), and #9 (MJD) in the league. That's a pretty scary group to face. So how did we fare against them?
-Foster- 71 yards on 18 carries (3.9 YPC, 1.8 yards under his average)
-Gore- 43 yards on 15 carries (2.9 YPC, 1.3 yards under his average)
-MJD- 47 yards on 16 carries (2.9 YPC, 1.1 yards under his average)
Those numbers speak for themselves, but I'll speak for them anyway. We haven't given up 100 yards rushing to a single running back this year. Not one. Zero. None. The number that's one less than one. The number that times any number equals... zero. No RB has even come within 20 yards of it. And we've faced some very, very good backs.
Does that mean that we'll be able to contain McFadden? Nope, not for sure. But what it DOES mean is that our running D is no fraud, and it's ridiculous to think that McFadden is an automatic to torch us. Maybe he will, but he'd be the first.
Argument #3- "Your rushing game isn't going to be so automatic against our D. We're gonna make Matt Cassel have to beat us, and there's no way that'll happen."
for the record, I've even been told by 3 separate Raiders fans that we'll be lucky to get 100 yards on the ground. And many others are predicting a subpar day for us rushing the ball. We just looked at the Chiefs running D, let's look at the Raiders...
Man, if you look at the last two weeks that Oakland rushing D has been impressive. They've held their last two opponents to 75 and 47 (47!) yards rushing. Nice! But wait, before we crown them a shutdown running D...
Those opponents, the Denver Broncos and the Seattle Seahawks, currently rank 32nd (DEN) and 27th (SEA) in the NFL in rushing YPG. So while Oakland fans point out those games and say "Wow!", it should be noted that they actually gave up MORE yards on the ground to Denver than they average per game (67.3)! Those aren't exactly great rushing teams. Or good rushing teams. As a matter of fact, they are God-awful rushing teams.
So what has Oakland done against better rushing teams? Well, it hasn't been pretty. For the sake of fairness, how have they done against the same elite backs the Chiefs have faced, Arian Foster and Frank Gore?
They gave up 133 yards to Foster on 16 carries (8.2 YPC) and 149 yards to Gore on 25 carries (5.9 YPC). One doesn't need to be a math major to realize that is... how should I say this? Much, much, much, much worse than the Chiefs performed against those backs.
Chris Johnson also torched Oakland's D to the tune of 142 yards on 27 carries (5.3 YPC). In fact, the only game against an elite rusher this year that Oakland held up even decently was against Steven Jackson, who they held to 75 yards on 19 carries (3.9 YPC). Not bad, but it was the exception rather than the rule.
Need me to make it a little more clear? OK, fine. Even after two performances in which they gave up an average of 61 yards on the ground, Oakland's rushing defense is STILL rated 26th in the league! Even after those two games (which, let's face it were against two of the absolute worst rushing teams in football), they're giving up over 125 YPG! That means that prior to facing bottom-feeding rushers, they were giving up an utterly ridiculous 149 YPG on the ground.
That is NOT the mark of a good, consistent rushing defense.
Argument #4- "The Chiefs offense isn't balanced enough to take advantage of the Raiders defense. We'll make you one-dimensional by taking away your running game. Then it's over, because Matt Cassel sucks and we'll pick him off AT LEAST twice!"
So many things wrong with this argument, so little time. Look, if you think you're going to stop the Chiefs from running the ball... you're probably wrong. Can't say for sure, but probably.
We're running for 190 YPG. Think about that stat for a moment. That's our average.
When we played San Francisco they were considered a very good run defense. Same with Houston. A big reason both are "middle of the pack" statistically now is because we ran all over them. We've gone over 200 yards 3 games in a row.
We've got a runner that's averaging 6.5 YPC. That's a yard more than Oakland's "elite" (if you ask any Raider fan) RB. So if he's elite, what does that make someone who is better? Beyond elite? Uber elite? Jamaal Charles is playing football head and shoulders above any running back in the NFL when he has the ball this year.
How about this... our second best rusher is ranked #14 in the league. And he's not even our best guy. That's how good our rushing attack is.
Our rushing attack is so good that our WORST game rushing the ball is better than what 19 of the 32 NFL teams average per game. Think about that. Our absolute worst game was better than more than half the league gets on an average day.
That's how good our running game is. I won't say for sure that you won't stop it, but the odds of it happening aren't good.
As far as Cassel goes... well, I'll stay away from that one, as it's a point of contention among Chiefs fans. But let me tell you this; if you're counting on Cassel to give you a couple of turnovers and help you win, you're likely going to walk away disappointed. Cassel's thrown 3 picks (to 10 TDs) this year, fewer than all but 3 QBs that have played in equal or more games. And he's fumbled the ball exactly once (which we recovered). He may not be a great QB, but he hasn't been turning the ball over. It would be a mistake to count on him doing so all of a sudden.
Well there you have it, a few simple answers based on nothing but a few facts that should helpful the next time you find yourself victim to a "you guys are going DOWN!" argument. Hope they help, and go Chiefs!
***disclaimer***- I have no idea who will win Sunday. I tend to think we will, but then, I'm a homer. And any visiting Raider fans, know that I respect the improvement your team has shown. I just think we're better. Maybe after the game Sunday I'll look foolish with these thoughts... but all I know is what I've seen so far this season. And that's what I've based these thoughts on. I'm very excited to see both Oakland and KC getting better, because I want that rivalry to get back to where it belongs... as the best, fiercest rivalry in the NFL.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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fan-friggin-tastic, rec
Very well written, good facts to back up your points, nicely done
I’m not sure who will win either, but I like KCs chances
It's all about the gameplan
Thanks stag
I feel the same way. These games are always tough for both teams, and there’s no reason to think that this year will be an exception.
I like that both of us have a strong running O, but only one of us has a consistently strong running D. I feel that gives us a good edge. But who knows?
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Head over to Silver and Black pride. There is a big smack talking thread up there.
It’s the most activity I’ve seen on that site for a really long time.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
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Good to know they finally learned to read and write/type over there.
I guess those classes in prison are really paying dividends.
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by MountainManMike on Nov 3, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Nope...they didn't, but they're posting anyway
Just waded through a some Faders fan posts and it made me appreciate the factual and insightful articles and postings on AP even more. I think I have an idea now of what it’s like to slog through a sewer.
Seriously, in the articles themselves and all the Fader comments, I only found one that had one or two sentences that made sense from a football standpoint. Come to think of it, that was the only one that was able to construct a complete sentence.
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes for the rest of the season...
I'm afraid to even read
I feel like my mind would just be destroyed from being trying to understand whatever it is they’re trying to say.
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joshsports60
Put up a pretty decent “breakdown” post of what to expect from the Raiders.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Was it unbiased?
Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 4, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds fun
I may have to check it out…
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I checked it out - lmao
;D
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by chiefsfan62 on Nov 4, 2010 1:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good post
Just keep your anonymity. You could get stabbed or have a drive by at your house for writing this. Al Davis and some random Raiders fans might put a hit out on you. Seriously though, I love to hate the Raiders too and am also excited to have a heated and meaningful battle against them again. I hope its a hard fought close game, that leaves them out of gas after losing.
Thanks, and I also
love to hate that team. And the feeling is mutual. It’s really the fans that have kept the rivalry alive all these years as players (and success) come and go.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Nice... and rec'd...
And THIS RIGHT here… this is un-freaking-believable:
Our rushing attack is so good that our WORST game rushing the ball is better than what 19 of the 32 NFL teams average per game. Think about that. Our absolute worst game was better than more than half the league gets on an average day.
Maybe you won’t say it… but I will. I said we’d rush for over 180 on JAX. I said we’d rush for over 250 on the Bills. I now say we’ll rush for over 200 on the Raiders. They’re about to see what a real rushing attack is.
Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 3, 2010 6:10 PM CDT reply actions
A real Rush'n Attack
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 3, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I never beat that freakin game!
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 4, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
RGB, one thing we all have to like is this ...
- the only running backs that can get past our Front 7 are on our team
- the only Front 7 that can stop our running backs is our own
- our offense and defense practice against the toughest competion around: our own team
as proof, just watch this video which CLEARLY shows what ANYONE who isn’t blind could figure out … the awesomeness of the Kansas City Chiefs
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Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Is it me... or does that guy's voice not match him? I smell a Milli Vanilli there.
Dear Haters, F@&Y% U!!! Love always, THE CHIEFS!
So soon after I just rick rolled you Ups?
I don’t think so… Nice try though… it’ll take a little more time than that to get revenge…
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by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 3, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh Snap!
I just got rick rolled on AP! Whats this place coming to. In the spirit of a good joke I always force myself to watch the whole thing. Painful every time
I've seen the video so many times
that I start to sing along with it, even though I absolutely hate it. (I did go through a period where I actually liked it, which scares me.) It’s like those Chevy commercials with Mellencamp’s song in them.
Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down…
That's a nice point
Having to practice every day against a top 10 rushing D has to help our offense, and vice versa.
I mean, if the D can hold its own against Charles and Jones, who is going to scare them?
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Rick Astley?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Well besides that
That’s just a given
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that is the critical element in everything, imo.
having the best running team in the nfl facing their own team defense, which is arguably one of the best. it’s so awesome.
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by 25JCPavedTheWay on Nov 4, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
OK I've gotta ask...
What’s this all about? Obviously it’s something that precedes my time here on AP… Rick rolled?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I'm no expert on the subject.
But it has to do with clicking a link to see one thing and you get Rick Ashley. It happens on other subjects too, but you get the same video.
Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
That's funny
AP’s crazy…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Yeah, I just kinda stumbled across that
While looking at our running stats in preparation for this post.
That, to me, says a lot about just how good we are on the ground.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Nice job MN
I think we win, but I will say one thing about McFadden. The dude accelerates like no one else right now. I watched him vs. the Broncos and he hit the holes quickly and accelerated like he just drank rocket fuel. We need to be quick to grab that! I think this is another close game.
rec.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Can we order a steroid test on McFadden?
His sudden vast improvement this year is a little suspicious, don’t you think?
Good point.
I was actually thinking about the big guys in front of him needing the test. Those guys are pretty scary.
You know, they've looked good lately
But this is the same unit that’s already given up 22 sacks and was considered AWFUL for the first 5 or so weeks…
They’re riding high on momentum, but they’ve got issues.
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and we all know, MN ... when it comes to having issues ...
you’re the best, Man ;-)
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Very true
I haven’t had time to put on my Dr/Lawyer hat lately, though.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I hadn't thought about that
but now you got me wonderin’.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
As in
2nd worse rush D in the league? :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
To be honest
We shot ourselves in the foot against Buffalo. I know that game’s over and all the stuff has been debated, but we left more points on the board than just 3 from the now-infamous “4th and 2”.
We kept passing in short yardage. It just killed our offense. We’d march down the field then stall.
I hope to see less of that this week. Or if they do, I want to see them targeting Moeaki more.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Great facts MN.
And Rec’d as usual.
As for the game itself. I’m going with the same prediction I had for the Bills. A close game with the score in the low to mid 30s. Needless to say I was way off last week.
that's MN for ya ... constantly confusing the issue with FACTS
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Thanks Steve
I hope our D can hold them to fewer than that. Should be fun…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Thanks Chiefs
I hope we can hold them better than that, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it turns into some kinda crazy shootout.
You just never know with these games…
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Another good post there hotshot ;)
I’m gonna have to commit some of these to memory because I know a few Raiders fans, my girlfriends brother being one, that have already started chirping automatic win.
no worries, Ram ... you have the FACTS on your side, that's always a PLUS
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Hey, I do what i can
I just give you the tools… now you must use them wisely :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Great stuff MN
I think I’ll just print this off and hand it to my co-worker. This is useful stuff.
You will be RECeiving an award from me for this one.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.
~Aristotle
Nice
You know, it was actually you talking about your situation with the co-worker that got me thinking about writing this. So you can have half that rec back if you want :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
This is the non-lazy way to write a post like this
It crossed my mind to get a little more in-depth but I will leave that to the Pro’s. I am more excited about this game than any other so far this season. I think JC just goes off this week and approaches 250. My bold prediction.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.
~Aristotle
That's how I like to argue
Game. Set. Match. :)
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Great Post MN and to add some more gas to your fire...
Stephen Jackson actually left that game with an injury and if I’m remembering right he had 70+ yards in one half against them.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Seriously? I'll have to look at that and adjust if so...
Thanks man!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
From the looks of it, his touches went way down in the 2nd half
But he did get touches late in the 4th. So maybe a slight injury that limited him?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
To argue:
Give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one’s view.
This seems like a logic thing. I see a problem here with Raider fans and logic.
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Nice MN! We do understand arguing with a Raider fan is an exercise in futility, no? Are you married by chance? (No homo, it just seems us married guys understand no-win arguments)
Argument #3 is a laugher; Can’t run the ball against them? Yeah, the last two games their opponents didn’t run for much — they were being blown out, so they were tossing (or at least attempting to toss) the rock all over the yard. Well, that’s not entirely accurate, Denver can’t run the ball period. In my book the more important stat is we’re #7 against the run, and they’re 26th.That fact has been hidden the last two weeks due to all the points they were ‘spotted’ by sloppy opponent play, which means the Raiders weren’t facing the run.
Argument #4; How are you going to take away the run when you’re 26th against the run? You gonna throw golf balls at us like your fans do? 26th against the run means decent running teams like SF’s Gore lit them up for a buck 49 (200+ total), Houston’s Foster for 131 and Ward averaged 6.7 per carry. Denver and SD aren’t known for pounding the rock. Even then, SD’s Mathews averaged 6.6 per carry. Why do we need Cassel to beat them with his arm when we have RB’s like we do? I’ll bet they had 8-9 in the box against SF. Didn’t seem to stop Gore.
Lets see how they handle our 3 TE set where we pull the guard. Speaking of which, I watched a clip on NFLN where Asamoah blocked (actually manhandled) a guy sideways 25 yards all the way to the sideline — and the play was loooong gone by the time he got there. Guy’s got an attitude and I love it!
Personally I like it they’ve blown out their last two opponents — puff up those big, ugly heads. In years past if you played them hard they’d always fold in the 4th quarter. Get them playing from behind and see if it happens again.
Bottom Line: They’re scoring a lot of points this season, not just the last two games — they scored 100 points in the reseason. And honestly, they always play us hard. Our best chance (IMHO) is ball control. They’ve fed on turnovers the last two weeks with sloppy opponent play. Pound the rock and keep their O on the sideline.
Romeo is great at taking away the one big threat, so lets see what he schemes to take away McFadden, and let our secondary man up against their receivers. I like our chances unless Carr or Berry have a bad afternoon. I think they’ll target Berry and Carr, so lets keep our fingers crossed our secondary gets a pick 6 or two. Our ST’s need to have a good game too. Probably moreso on punts than KO’s. Most of those will be out of the endzone, unless their kicker has a bad afternoon (we can always hope!)
I had listed alot of stats like you did, and then went on to dissect why … but hey, we’re talking Faiders here, are facts even relevant? Great attempt at logic MN, not sure they’re understanding that “L” word though … :)
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
They’ve fed on turnovers the last two weeks with sloppy opponent play.
This FACT cannot be stated enough. Those two games were absolutely ridiculous on how many lucky breaks they got with balls just blooping right into their hands.
And, the best point of your rant is that in those two games those teams couldn’t run. They had to pass. Great point.
Sorry, wasn't trying to make it a rant, but that happens sometimes when I talk Oakland :)
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
Not even that much of rant
And perfectly valid points. They way they played the last two weeks was a fluke.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Hey MN! That was a great post you wrote, and I was trying to add fuel to your fire. I wasn't trying to come after you.
I went back and reread my post above and didn’t want you to think otherwise. Kabrink noted it sounded like a rant, and I was trying to diffuse some Faider BS, and agree and compliment what you had posted. Sorry if it may have given the impression I was taking issue with something you wrote, that wasn’t the intent.
Oh, and also as I forgot to mention in my post and now two replies, Rec’d! :)
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
no, no!
I didn’t mean it that way. I didn’t think you were going off on MN at all. A rant isn’t necessarily directed toward anyone. It’s perfectly awesome to rant off on a long stream of consciousness about some subject or other. It’s just pretty funny when someone sounds really worked up and going off on something – like kicking the raiders ass!
Haha no worries man
It didn’t come off at all like you were coming after me. I agree with a lot of what you said.
I especially agree that it’s a good thing that they’re coming off of two blowout wins. Yeah, they’ve got momentum. But that also leaves a lot of chance for them to forget about flaws.
I don’t know if Cable’s the type of coach that can keep them focused and hungry. I guess we’ll see.
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Rec'd - great post MN!
Uber elite?Oh, yeah – Jamal’s THE man!
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes for the rest of the season...
Maybe we should call him "Uberback"...
In fact, I think I will from now on :)
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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 4, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
these next two weeks are going to be awesome
being able to clown two afc west opponents and extend our stronghold on the afc west division title.
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I hope so
These are winnable games. We just need to play mistake-free (which we have for much of this year).
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fantastic article....and that's coming from a Raider fan...
Argument number 1 is true. The Chiefs haven’t had a signature win yet. Nevertheless, you guys took care of the teams you were supposed to beat.
Argument # 2 is a good one. The chiefs do have a solid, solid rush defense. I don’t think dominant is the right word, but I think disciplined is the right word for the chiefs d-line. The fact is is that the raiders have the second ranked rush defense in the NFL. So, something will have to give.
Argument # 3 is flawed. Yes, the stats look bad. However, stats don’t tell you the whole truth.
The truth was that Chris Johnson had one big run in the tennessee game. Frank Gore had one big run in the Niner game. Steven JAckson had one good drive in the Ram game. The point is is that we contained them for most of the game.
I’ll give you the Texan game. (BTW, I actually attended that one). The Texans thoroughly dominated us.
Admittedly so, we haven’t faced very good rushing attacks the past couple of weeks.
Argument 4 is also solid.
The Chiefs will get way over 100 yards on the ground in this one. I don’t think anybody denying how good Charles is.
I just think his stats are getting inflated by playing really bad defenses week in and week out.
I think Hue Jackson will have a huge effect on this game.
He’ll usually call 2 or 3 reverses in the game. Ford will probably get the ball too.
Also, the chiefs need to prepare well for the screen play. the Raiders execute it very very well.
I think Hue’s going to pick and choose his one on match-ups carefully.
For example, the Raiders split Reece out on a corner. Surprisingly, Reece beat him on a slant. Reece is a match-up nightmare for linebackers also, so I expect him to see his way into the game plan.
Another point about our rushing offense. Jackson loves to get McFadden on the outside when the opportunity is right. If McFadden gets that 1 on 1 on a guy like Mike Vrabel, it could break for a big one.
As I was studying the chiefs, it isn’t exactly a complicated offense. The Raiders know what’s coming at them.
Whether it was a run, screen, or short pass, the ball almost always went to either Charles or Jones.
And I’m impressed how good Charlie Weis is at keeping the defense off balance.
Anyway, I think this will be a very close game. Recent history has told us so, anyway.
As a loyal Raider fan, I think we have a good shot to pull off the win. As good as we’ve been playing, we NEED this game going into the bye.
After we play you guys, we face Pittsburgh, Miami, and San Diego (in December) consecutively.
All I can say, is that this is quite possibly the most anticipated Raiders game since the super bowl in 2002. And I mean it. This game could very well define our season.
Wolverine?
I think the Chiefs defense has shown pretty good side to side pursuit and can shut down screens and reverses. This will be easier since we probably won’t be too worried about your receivers (esp if Murphy is out) – but will need to contain Zach. If McFadden is getting past Vrabel he will quickly meet Eric Freaking Berry.
I suspect it will be a tough, close game too. That’s just the way these things go generally. Although, I’d love to see us pound you guys – as I’m sure you would like the opposite.
As I was studying the chiefs, it isn’t exactly a complicated offense. The Raiders know what’s coming at them.
Every team before this knew what was coming at them too. Didn’t seem to matter.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.
~Aristotle
Yeah, he's a big part
Of keeping teams off-balance
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Nice reply and good info josh
I appreciate that you seem to realize this is all for kicks and you’re not taking it personally.
I take the most extreme version of arguments to bring down in these posts (it makes it easier to argue against them). I know most logical Raider fans aren’t expecting to shut our running game down, I’ve just had it said to me a couple of times.
I’ve heard about Reece. Seems like a playmaker. And yeah, if McFadden ends up one-on-one with Vrabel it’s over (much like against JAC when he got matched up against MJD…awful).
On a side note, I think you meant the Raiders have the 2nd ranked rushing offense, not defense :)
I didn’t realize you guys had such a tough schedule after our game. I have to say, I don’t hate that.
I understand that one big run can really skew stats, but great run defenses don’t allow those long runs to happen every game, know what I mean? Although granted, those are tough, tough backs to contain.
Anyways, good luck and we’re all psyched for the game too. It’s awesome that it finally means something again.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
On the matter of engaging in a battle of wits with a Raider fan.
First of all, do not do battle with an unarmed man………………I rest my case.
"The Hammer"
+1 and rec'd
The 2010 Kansas City Chiefs draft class will go down in history as one of the single greatest draft classes in the history of the league.
by OnlyKCFanNVA on Nov 4, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Best Raider thread to date.
I’m glad to know I now of quantitative data to support my theory as to why the Chiefs will be successful running the ball against the Raiders.
“I think we’ll run the ball effectively because teams have yet to stop or slow us” doesn’t sound very convincing. Throw in the stats you provide and BAM! One hell of a sound argument.
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Well, it still hasn't had much of an effect
over at S and B Pride. But that’s cool. The bottom line is we’re all pretty much homers and almost always believe we’re better than our stats say we are (except in the case of Cassel, when pretty much all of us think he’s worse than his stats are :) ).
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I still maintain Cassel can be efficient. He just has to learn to be consistent.
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by SupremeChief on Nov 4, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I still maintain Cassel can be efficient. He just has to learn to be consistent.
I’ll go a step farther – if Cassel becomes consistent, he will be more than efficient. If he plays like he did against San Fran and Houston consistently, our offense will flourish.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
There's no doubt.
I just wish we had more weapons to give him. A deep threat WR would be nice. It’d help with the separation issue our receivers seem to have.
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by SupremeChief on Nov 4, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
You should have kept the "Arguing With Idiots" title
or at least kept it as a subtitle.
I didn't want to make too many waves
Since there are likely going to be some Raider fans here, I don’t want to start any drama. All that does is take away from real football talk, which is the reason post.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
always the reasonable one, arguing with “facts” and “statistics.”
I’ll see your reasoned logic and raise you a blind hatred.
That'll likely win out in the end...
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Found this on the front page over at S&B Pride.
The total Defense of each is fairly equal. And, while KC currently has slightly better stats in rush defense the margin is close 96.4 to 127.4 AND Oakland has been narrowing that margin for the past 3 weeks.
Too funny not to share here. 31 yards per game? Pretty close? Bwahaha!
Dear Haters, F@&Y% U!!! Love always, THE CHIEFS!
by Falcon58 on Nov 4, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah, i saw that too...
they give up 32% more yards on the ground than KC does… that’s not “close”
It's all about the gameplan
Yeah I tried to debate that
And was told that their stats are inaccurately representing them because …
A) each runner they played against had only 1 or 2 big runs and was mostly “held in check”
and
B) What they’ve done the last two games is more important because it indicates a turnaround. Kind of a “what have you done lately” approach. Very lately.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Look we can cherry pick statements from each sites and come up
with the same type of crazy talk. Bottom line is throw the stats out. It’s rivalry week. What it will come down to is execution and poise. Don’t discount our team. Our line has improved drastically once Cable figured out you don’t start a D2 OT at center in his first NFL game!!! Cable has since wisely moved him to his natural position at LT and replaced Henderson.
I will be the first to admit you have a great run game. The many formations and uses of your backs are cause for concern. I’m not sure if Arenas is injured but you have a great return man. The matchup that I see us having a problem with is Moeaki and your RB’s vs our LB’s unless Thomas Howard is in the game. I’m not too worried about Cassell because even with Nnamdi out I have faith in our DB’s. Here’s to a renewed rivalry. And I hate you twice as much as you hate me!
by Raider76 on Nov 4, 2010 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't take you guys likely
You’ve got a team that has shown a lot of improvement and is currently riding a hot streak.
Feel free to take any quotes from here that are silly and make fun of them, that’s what rivalries are for right? :)
And I hate you… wait for… here comes the atom bomb…
INFINITY
That’s right. I went there.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Lol.
INFINITY X INFINITY.
In all seriousness if you guys want to talk football and have serious questions feel free to ask away. I would do a Fanpost but I’m at work. I’m sneaking this in now. HaHa. I’m getting paid right now to talk football.
How is the Rookie MLB doing?
and did you adjust the Defense in the last few weeks to go from 1-3 to 3-1 in the Quarters lingo. Buffalo scrapped their 3-4 and play more 4-3 now. I was under the impression that Oakland was shifting defense this year (from memory)
Just try to STOP US
McClain is going to be a solid MLB!!!
He has stepped into that role very nicely this year. He does have a tendency to overplay at times and thus giving up a large run ( ala CJ and Gore) but I credit those to rookie mistakes. He is a student of the game and the coaches rave about how he loves to study film. My main concern with him is in passing coverage. If you guys can exploit that matchup we can be in for a long day on sunday. I’ll give him 2 maybe 3 years and he’ll be getting pro bowl mentions (But thats the homer in me).
It was rumured that we were going 3-4. We haven’t completly transitioned to the 3-4. Instead Marshall is giving the Raiders different looks on defense. He is going out of the Al Davis 4-3 norm and trying 3-4 to get more pressure on the quarterback and to help stop the run. At times you will see safety Mike Mitchell playing as a LB. Expect to see lots of blitz packages leaving the db’s one on one with their man.
Do you guys think that DHB can ever be a good, consistent receiver?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Me personally. I can't see it
but the kid is working hard to improve that. Certain things you can’t really teach and hands is one of them. He uses his body too much. He’s just another on the list of Raider recievers that can run fast but can’t catch the ball (ex. James Trapp, Willie Gault etc.).
I can't say I'm sad about that
But that’s a bummer. He’s a rare physical specimen. You’d think that putting in enough hours with the jugs machine would help eventually (and maybe it will).
Want some encouragement? Years and years ago, the Chiefs drafted a young player that they were really excited about. He was decent his rookie season, but not great. He got a lot of flak for dropping passes. So he spent hours and hours practicing catching after every practice.
That player’s name? Tony Gonzalez. So maybe there’s hope for your guy yet (I hope not, of course :) ).
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Just checked
San Diego 3-4 W
Cleveland 3-4 W
San Francisco 3-4 W
Indy 4-3 L
Houston 4-3 L
Jax 4-3 W
Buffalo 3-4/4-3 W
A tendency maybe
Just try to STOP US
Thanks AZ
Just a little celebration of Raider Week!
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Nice
Great use of stats to backup things. Several times we’ve gone into games where announcers have said our running game will get shut down. And every time we continue to grind teams out for 200 yards rushing. I have faith in our running game to the bitter end.
It’s been a while since we’ve blown the raiders out and I fully expect me to be yelling at my television(or the bars television) in the fourth quarter due to anxiety. But, I can always pray we win by a large margin.
Exactly
It’ll probably be close… but we can hope, right?
Whichever team wins this is going to gain a lot of credibility…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Who knows.
I think analysts will still find a way to predict the Chargers winning the AFC West.
Haha you're probably right
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
well, we have to be honest enough to admit
they have been absolutely decimated in the WR ranks – kind of a not good thing when you’re a passing team especially
They’ll get better when some of those guys come back – especially VJ
Thanks fairmont
It was worth it to stumble across the phrase “uber-back” as a nickname for Charles.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Raider fans can't argue. They can only hurl insults.
Statistics seem to scare them.
I eat nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks, and I sh*t nickel.
I've seen you taking some punishment over there
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Your Stats are misleading (and by that I mean they are filthy lies)
Unless yu’re trying to game the stats to make a point, receptions count also:
Frank Gore had 24 touches against KC for 145 yards.
Arian Foster and Derrick Ward had 28 total touches against KC for 167 combined yards and 3 Rushing TDs with a 6.0 ypc
MJD had 21 touches for 121 yards and a TD with a backup QB
Against the Browns, Hillis had only 8 carries for a 4.4 ypc and a TD….While Jerome Harrison actually had the bulk of the workload with 16 carries a 2.1 avg and a fumble lost. You weren’t playing the Peyton Hillis led Browns yet. You were playing a backup QB in Seneca Wallace and a guy who would soon be traded to Philly.
You gave up 34 touches to Addai/Hart for 144 yards and a TD (which a “weak” Denver defense had held to a 1.8 ypc for 0 TDs) Your 2 guys had 27 touches for 120 yards 0 TDs and a fumble….managing 12 yards while being shut out in the 4th qtr.
Against SD…against an average rookie in his first game in the rain on the road, he only had 7 carries in the 2nd half….While playing from behind. In the 1st half he had 12 carries for 50 yards and 4.0 ypc.
It doesn’t matter what the Bills did, because you had 40 carries for 0 TDs.
As for the Raiders:
Chris Johnson did have 31 combined touches and 150 yards….but with a long of 74. Or, as I prefer to think of it, 30 touches for 74 yards and a 2.5 avg, and 1 carry for a 74 yard avg.
Arian Foster: 15 carries for 57 yards and a 3.8avg and then 1 carry for 74 yards.
Frank Gore had 24 carries for 85 yards (3.54 avg) and 1 carry for 64 yards.
I know that they all count (not like the author who ignored/manipulated the reception stats), but the point is that the the Chiefs do not have any defensive advantage when it comes to containing RB production, or compared against the Raiders. Furthermore, those long gains had something to do with a rookie middle Linebacker, who has since settled into himself.
Another point to make is that the Raiders have given up only 6 rushing TDs in 8 games (to 3 teams) and only 46 1st downs, while having not allowed any Rushing TDs in 5 of their 8 games, and allowed only 1 in a 6th game. While KC has allowed, in 7 games, a very similar 5 TDs and 36 1st downs, and have not themselves allowed any rush TD in 3 games, while allowing only1 in another 3. The Chiefs and Raiders have both allowed multiple TDs to the Texans.
After giving up 3 ground TDs to the Titans in Week 1, the Raiders have only allowed 3 to their other 7 opponents combined. (Actually only 2 teams have scored: 2 to Houston and 1 to SD). The 3 teams to have scored rush TDs on the Raiders are ranked 1st, 3rd and 4th in Rush TDs scored NFL wide (with the Raiders ranked 2nd in that category also….The Chiefs are 14th with 1 more scored than the “terrible” Broncos).
The Raiders have not allowed a rush TD in 3 straight games, and only 1 in the past 4. They are 3-1 over that stretch. KC has not allowed one in 2 straight games, after allowing 3 against HOU and 1 to IND, losing both of those games following their bye and going 2-2 over the past 4 games.
However, the Chiefs have scored only 1 rushing TD in their 3 road games combined. They have also only scored 3 passing TDs on the road. ALL 4 of those Chiefs road TDs came against the Texans in a week 5 loss.
The Raiders have scored 3 rushing TDs and 6 passing TDS in 4 home games, and are 3-1, averaging 6.46 yards per RB touch, and have been led by 3 different receivers with yardage marks of 91,122, 62 and 105 and respectively scoring 1, 2, 1 and 2 passing TDs in those games. They score an avg of 27 points at home, and have given up an avg of 18.75 (14, 31, 27 and 3). The Raiders have generated an average of 398 yards in each of those 4 games, but have allowed an avg of 329.75, including their 2 of their highest and 2 of their lowest defensive outputs.
I just don’t see where the Chiefs plan on generating enough points to fulfill the predictions that I’ve read in here.
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pfassad
--Facepalm--
Those stats were RUSHING yards. No RB has put 100 yards RUSHING up against us.
If you’re going to form a rebuttal, make sure it makes sense please.
I eat nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks, and I sh*t nickel.
If you're going to use a stat...
Then don’t manipulate it. I counted RB touches both against the Chiefs and against the Raiders. Mine tell a more complete picture and are more accurate, and if they make you feel slightly less warm and fuzzy, then that’s just too bad.
pfassad
How the fluff is it manipulating statistics?
The discussion is rushing defense. Fact: the Chiefs have held every RB they’ve faced below 100 yards r-u-s-h-i-n-g. I don’t see why you’re having so much trouble with that key word. Rushing and catching are two different things. We aren’t discussing total yards. Just rushing yards. Are you following now?
I eat nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks, and I sh*t nickel.
Have you ever seen a football game?
Nothing happens in a vacuum, and you sound ridiculous defending a cherry picked stat. RUNNING BACK PRODUCTION is what matters, at least as far as these 2 teams are concerned.
Do you understand that if McFadden or Charles takes a screen to the house, that the points still count?
Because you obviously understand that it is too inconvenient and embarrassing for you to acknowledge that the RBs you have “shut down” still produced like the Pro Bowlers that they are.
pfassad
Okay. You're trying to debate something that wasn't even being argued in the first place.
We are offering evidence as to why the Chiefs have a top 10 rush defense. These RBs were unsuccessful in rushing the ball against us. That is the fact. You can’t argue with it. Sorry you are having difficultly fathoming this. It’s even in bold for you. I suggest you scroll up and read again.
I eat nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks, and I sh*t nickel.
Hey, it's a good thing to introduce those stats. Thanks for the info (sincerely) Know what they show?
Your pass defense is better than ours. Something we already knew.
My only point is that our rushing defense is superior. And it is.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
My only prediction
Is that we’ll be able to run the ball pretty well. As far as points and a win, I couldn’t tell you.
I’m curious, why do you feel the need to take shots at me? I wasn’t trying to manipulate stats, I was showing what was relevant to my point. Perhaps asking me about it instead of assuming I’m a liar would be a good first step?
Your stats show that we do have a weaker passing defense, which is absolutely true. It’s not as if RBs are unable to capitalize on that fact.
But the bottom line of that particular part of my post is that when other teams try to run the ball against us, they are not successful. A fact which is not changed by showing passing stats.
We’re not very good against the pass. Your stats make that even more clear. But we ARE good at stopping the run.
I’m sorry if you feel as though I was “manipulating stats”. I only was talking about rushing the ball. Screens are not running plays. I wasn’t saying “we shut down the other teams’ short passing game as well”. I made no such claim.
Again, my claim is this; teams have not run the ball nearly as well against us as they have against you. And they haven’t.
If you want to argue that your passing defense has been superior, I TOTALLY agree with you…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
And for the record...
A lie is an untrue statement, right? So where in there did I utter an untrue statement in the stats?
Now if you want to say they don’t tell the whole picture (although they do with reference to the running game. Again, I’m not talking about the passing game) feel free.
But to call me a liar? That seems a bit over the top. And it doesn’t fit, since none of those stats are, in fact, “filthy lies”.
Again, sorry if my intentions were unclear and that led you to believe I was lying to you.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I don't wanna speak for the other dude ...
But I think he was trying to make a Mark Twain reference there.
“There are lies, there are damned lies, and then there are statistics”.
He used ‘filthy’ when he should’ve used ‘damned’ to match the exact quote, but …
I’m pretty sure he didn’t really mean YOU are lying. It’s more that statistics can effectively ‘lie’ … even when they’re technically accurate. It’s reference to the way they can be ‘cherry-picked’.
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 5, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahh I see
That’s definitely a possibility. I’ve heard the quote, I just didn’t think he was perhaps attempting to use it (not smart enough to make that connection). Good thought.
I just wanted to clear the air as to what exactly I was talking about, know what I mean? I don’t see why passing stats are relevant when discussing rushing defense.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
So, really...
You’re the second guy that comes on here and admits that the raiders are very prone to give up huge yards in chunks. Well then, it’s a good thing we don’t have any rbs that would be able to take advantage of thay little nugget.
Look, not trying to be a prick. We Chiefs fans know thay little argument all too well. That’s been the story here for years. We would hold a back in check all game long. We’d feel really good about. Like we accomplished something…. And then BAM!! 50+ yard TD run to blow out our stats for the day. You are what the stats say you are. We’ve all had to come to terms with thay over these last long years. I suggest you do too.
by Lokrath on Nov 6, 2010 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember those days (as in last year)
If you hold a RB all day, then he breaks for a 50 yard run, it’s tough to NOT make that argument…
But a big part of being a good defense is stopping those big plays.
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I'd say we're prone to it under one condition ...
And that is that the offense isn’t playing well, and the defense gets discouraged and tired because of it.
I don’t think anyone’s ripped off a big chunk of yards rushing against the Raiders in the first half. I could be wrong but I don’t remember it.
I really think the key for the Chiefs in this game is going to be whether they can shut down the Raiders offense early, hold us to a bunch of 3 and outs. Every game I’ve seen over the past 7 seasons where the O starts off really slow, we’ve lost. Our defense feeds off the play of the Offense SO much, you can see it out there every game.
If our O is choking, the defense will start choking soon thereafter. That’s something you could take to the bank about the Raiders the last 7 years. Our D isn’t going to keep us in a game for too long if the O is getting shut down.
OTOH, if we march down and put up some points on our opening drive … we tend to end up winning ball games.
I don’t know the stats offhand, but I think that in Raider games, the team to score first wins a significant majority of the time. Esp. if we’re talking TD’s.
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 7, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Going to have to hang up my D. Thomas this weekend....
I’m watching the game with 20 Raider fans, and there’s nothing they hate more than being reminded of how stupid they are. The 1994 #32 is coming off the rack.
by RockinTheD.ThomasInDonkeyLand on Nov 5, 2010 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
YOU GO ROCKIN! That's worth a REC just for pissing them off!
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
Very cool, just like when I wear my N Smith jersey when I visit my family in KC!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 14, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
A trenchant analysis ...
As a denizen of the S&BP, I’ll just say this (on accounta I’m over here and not over there) … I don’t disagree w/much of what you said there.
I think the Chiefs stand a reasonably good chance of beating my team this week, but the reason I say that is because of some very key injuries we have coming into this game. Our two top receivers are most likely out, as is our pro-bowl shut-down corner.
With those three guys in, I like the Raiders at home in this game. W/O those three guys, it really changes the complexion of this contest, and if I’m totally honest w/myself … it means the Chiefs are fielding a slightly better team this particular week, and probably should emerge with a close victory.
Not that we can’t beat you … because we could. But if I were betting my hard-earned cigarettes, I’d probably put them on the Chiefs for this game. Mainly because of no Nnamdi or Zach though.
Just as a point of reference ...
I seem to recall a number of Chiefs/Raiders matchups back in the day where, had either Tony Gonzalez or James Hasty been out of the game (let alone both … although I don’t recall if they actually played together offhand) … the Chiefs lose the particular games I’m thinking of ;)
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 5, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
That's very true
It’s tough to lose two of your best players and come out ahead in any situation, let alone against a rival where the games are always tough.
I do think it’ll be a tough, close game. I don’t see a blowout happening here.
So is it pretty much official on Miller and Asomugha?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Injuries affect every team of course ...
But we’re talking about our inarguably best defensive player, and our arguably best offensive player. If Murphy is also out or hobbled, we’re basically missing our top two receivers.
I think we’re in a lot worse shape in this regard. Not trying to make excuses here, but this is the reason I’m not about to talk smack about this game. With those guys out … an already tough game becomes much harder to win in my estimation.
But we’ll see. The really good teams find a way to just plug other players in and win anyway (see: the Patriots of the past 10 years, or the 49’ers in their hey-day). My Raiders haven’t shown me nearly enough yet to convince me we’re even remotely in the same league in terms of having ‘a system’ where that sort of thing works.
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 7, 2010 10:48 AM CST reply actions
You know you love to hate it
We do it so much more bad then you. Its alright.
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
by DarthDavis on Nov 7, 2010 7:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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