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It is becoming more and more difficult for me to not be a "Yes Man"

Todd Haley is presenting me with quite a dilemma.  

I tend to be skeptical by nature.  If someone makes a claim, I'd like them to back it up with evidence, preferably in the form of something that can be quantified.  Otherwise, don't expect me to take it on faith (unless your name happens to be Jesus, and I have yet to run into that problem in my life).

But Haley is starting to make me feel stupid on such a consistent basis for doubting him that I think I may have to turn into a "Yes Man" just to protect my ego.  After all, one can only eat so much crow before getting sick, right?

Star-divide

Haley has made his fair share of player handling decisions that came under scrutiny since he came into town.  I'd like to look at a few of those decisions and go over what I thought then and what I see now, all the while pointing out just how wrong I was.

 

-Derrick Johnson-

                                                                

Many of us were stunned when he was benched last year and played sporadically.  It became one of the bigger debates on AP for over a year; "Should DJ be a starter"?  There were a lot of opinions, and I tended to fall on the side that he was too talented to go to waste on the bench, especially on a talent-starved team.  I appreciated the idea of teaching a lesson to an inconsistent player, but felt that the way he was being handled would lead to him leaving.

Now?  He's playing by far the best football of his career, having won his starting job back.  Also (and just as crucial) he's recently inked a new deal to stay with us.  If you would've asked me a year ago about this situation, I would've guessed it was going to end badly.  Whoops.

 

Dwayne Bowe

This guy is another very talented (but inconsistent) player who was given a great deal of grief from Haley.  While he was never benched, he was called out repeatedly for being out of shape.

When Haley showed up, many of us expected instant returns on Bowe.  After all, Haley's a receivers coach, right?  So when he had a subpar year, we were discouraged and felt a little lied to about Haley (at least I know I did).  Many were expecting Bowe to be gone soon as well. 

Now?  He's currently on the biggest tear of his career, and breaking records left and right.  He's still making amazing catches, but he's also catching the routine passes as well (always his downfall until recently).  And to top it off, he's turned himself into one of the best blocking WR's in the game.  Kudos to Haley for whatever he's done to help Bowe.

 

Glenn Dorsey

                             

We all remember this debate.  It was a stupid waste of a talented player to stick with Dorsey in a 3-4 defense.  He wasn't built for it.  Haley (and Pioli) was trying to fit a "square peg in a round hole".  We'd be better off trading him so we could get some real 3-4 defenders.  I defended Dorsey a lot, feeling he was better than people thought.  However, I really didn't expect him to ever be a key player for us.

Now?  He's a big part of our defense, and one of our better players.  He doesn't get a lot of flashy stats, but his improvement is a big reason why our run D is vastly improved over last year.  He's been very strong at the point of attack, and does provide some push in the pocket now (I sure hope it increases, but it's there).  

 

Matt Cassel

Still a controversy here on AP, but I've converted completely (well, maybe with .1% of me still doubtful) so I'll include him.

We've heard it a million times.  He's got no arm.  Terrible pocket presence.  Horrible accuracy.  Doesn't do anything to help us win.  A "drive killer".  Many of us assumed he was only playing ahead of Croyle due to his big contract (and Croyle's, ahem, minor injury issues).  I was actually asking people about college QB's a month ago because I felt like he couldn't get it done for us.  Haley was often called out for treating Cassel with "kid gloves" and not being nearly hard enough on the QB.

Now?  Well, it SHOULD realistically be too soon to say, but I'm going to because this is a blog, not a State of the Union Address.  Cassel's been killing it lately.  As Joel has pointed out, in our last 7 games he's got 18 TD's and 1 pick.  That's just incredible.  And even more importantly, in the last few games he's made big throws in important situations.  In short, he's been a huge part of our wins lately, rather than merely a stand-in QB that was propped up by a strong running game.

 

Those four players represent to me my own stupidity and inability to see whatever it is Haley (and again, Pioli) can see.  I know I didn't think those situations were being handled very well.  I thought that he should be kinder to DJ and Bowe, harder on Cassel, and maybe go ahead and ship Dorsey out for the "right" type of guy.  Well, I was wrong.

And this isn't even taking into account Jamaal Charles and Brandon Albert, two more players who are playing great football after going into Haley's doghouse.

Throw in Scott Pioli acquisitions I didn't think would be as good as they've been (Smith, Weigmann, TJ, our entire draft class) and well... I've just been wrong a lot, let's leave it at that.

Now everyone else is free to do what they like, but I have to say, I'm about as close to blindfolding myself and saying "in Haley/Pioli I trust" as I've ever been.

Especially with Haley.  Pretty much every player he's come down on has flourished.  When you look at DJ, Bowe, Charles, Albert, and Dorsey, you see guys who weren't necessarily looking like a big part of our future but are now forming the core of our young team.

So the next time I see a report on Haley being too hard/easy on someone, I may just have to channel my inner corporate suck-up and just say, "Why yes, that sounds like a fabulous idea, sir!"

Because hey, I'm sick of being wrong.

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Are you as close to I am to becoming a Todd Haley sycophant?
Yeah. I'm done doubting him for now. Look at his results
309 votes
Nope. He's getting lucky
3 votes
I'll give him more leeway now. But I've still got my eye on him
72 votes
I wish we would've gotten McDaniels instead
7 votes

391 votes | Poll has closed

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I've never doubted Haley

I’ve always liked him. I only have one problem with him now. Some of the decisions to go for it instead of taking points. Not all, but sometimes. Last year, I didn’t like that he alone was picking the plays on offense. Now, he has all the help in the world while focusing on managing this team.

Jamaal Charles...Enough said.

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by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 29, 2010 2:47 AM CST reply actions  

Well, he "took the points" against Seattle.

Oh, wait!

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 29, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I knew we should have gone for it on that fourth down!

WTF was Haley thinking?!? ;-)

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, they can't block a FG...

If you don’t attempt one :)

On a side note, I can see now why Seattle wins games despite a pathetic offense/defense. Their ST is amazing.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

To add

They can’t block a punt if you never punt :)

Just try to STOP US

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 29, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Getting existential is fun!

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Wanted him since the first time I heard he was available.

 Haley has made all the right moves since taking over. We might of had a couple more wins last year if DJ was on the field more. So I don’t give Haley much credit for DJ I give DJ the credit there. The coaching decisions as far as inserting Crennels D last year and waiting for Weis on O. Those were the two most important and best moves that have been made.

I look for this off-season to be even better with FA, since this team is headed toward the front of the pack. Players will be looking to KC for a home. Best fans in the NFL and now one of the best coaching staffs and front office.

by kcchiefstd on Nov 30, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much impossible to speculate that about DJ.

At least as often as he showed up to play last year, he completely disappeared. Probably more often.

DJ has come a very long way, and credit goes to both him and the coaching staff for persevering through a tough time.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Nov 30, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I too have changed my tune on Cassel..

You just can’t argue with the numbers. I guess it helps that I watch the Chiefs games with buddies who are Titans, Dolphins, and Redskin fans, so they kind of water down the talent pool.

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by severn58 on Nov 29, 2010 7:19 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, that'll help matters

When you’re comparing everything to garbage…

But yes, it’s tough to argue he results.

I should’ve added that before this season started, I said I’d be happy with Cassel if he improved by roughly 10%. You know, a couple more TDs, a couple fewer picks, a few % points up in the completions department.

He’s done that and way more.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

MN, great writeup as always.

If I could rec this twice, I would.

I’ve been labelled an apologist and a kool-aid drinker more than once since last season here on AP due to my comments suggesting Haley might be on to something (instead of “on” something, as many suggested). That we needed some time for long-standing changes to take effect. That maybe you don’t just flip a switch and overnight the whole organization learns what it means to be a winner, that it instead takes rattling some cages and hurting a few feelings in the short term to pay dividends in the long term.

And so far it looks like Haley and Pioli know exactly what they’re doing. We’re always a catastrophic injury or a boneheaded meltdown (hey, I live in Nashville – Vince Young syndrome is always at the forefront) away from things going south. But I’ve been cautiously optimistic since we tore down the foundation last year and rebuilt it.

And I’m still cautiously optimistic. I still think we’re a few pieces short of being a sheer powerhouse. But the front office and coaching staff aren’t those missing pieces.

I had high hopes for how much improvement we’d see this season over the last three. But we’ve already gone beyond that. So right now, it feels good to be a Chiefs fan in these shoes.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Nov 29, 2010 8:04 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks, and yes it does

That VInce Young thing is messed up. I personally believe that the guy may be a few fries short of a happy meal.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah VY is the Nuke LaLouche of the NFL.

Million dollar arm, ten cent head.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Nov 29, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I was impressed

by yesterdays game. There was consistency from the first half of the game to the second half ( well, defense slid a bit).

Cassel didn’t choke, he didn’t panic, he made his throws for the most part, he looked pretty good.

Bowe, no major dropsies, again, pretty consistent.

my main concern this whole season, particularly on those two guys has been consistency. one minute they make good plays, next time, back to high school.

 I liked what I saw as a whole yesterday.

 I didn’t see the game before that but heard and read quite a bit on it.

seems like there has been some schooling up of these guys over the past 3 or 4 games because this consistent play is something that was lacking at the beginning of the season.

 I hope they keep playing like yesterday and even better.

Good job Chiefs.

by bigbearomaha on Nov 29, 2010 8:44 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, truthfully the two places I'm most concerned about consistency right now

Are the D line and the Safeties.

If we can shore those up over the next few weeks, we can compete in the playoffs.

If not, we’ll be working on our draft board while the playoffs are going on.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Nov 29, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Still seeing the CBs NOT know where the ball is

That bothers me a LOT. I know we were sans Flowers, but c’mon. FIND THE BALL!

And don’t present the Daniels pick. He was roasted and ran into a badly thrown ball.

by SCKSChief on Nov 29, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Daniels IS our 5th CB for a reason

I thought Arenas looked great for the most part. But yeah, I saw a lot of heads not getting turned.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly!!!

I stopped counting how many times I saw the ball in the air and our guys are running down the field with eyes on the WRs. Just a second or two sooner, they turn their heads around, there are a lot more picks made in that game. Well, if they can hang on to the ball that is (looking at you DJ)…

2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...

by kcchiefsfan72 on Dec 1, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Very true on the consistency

I think they are both helping each other out right now.

It’s an old cliche that a QB and WR need to “grow together” and “get comfortable”, but maybe it’s true.

I’m dying to see Dex get back. With Cassel looking better by the week and Bowe becoming a “you HAVE to double-team me” kind of guy, Dex could be that little extra (pun intended) that sends us from decent offense to dangerous offense.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Little Dextra, you mean!

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Nov 29, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that a new pill?

the little red pill

Just try to STOP US

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 29, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice Read MN!

Rec’d…

I was a bit down on DJ & Bowe last year, but am glad that I’ve been proven wrong about them. While I recognize that this is a blog and we all have opinions that get shared here — none of us really know what’s going on in practice and in the locker room. At some point we all have to trust in our Coach & GM to do the right thing for the team. I think we’re finally seeing some dividends from the decisions that have been made over the last couple of years.

Personally, during the game yesterday — I couldn’t believe that Bowe didn’t have any drops. I was watching the game with a buddy who’s a Seahawks fan. Everytime Bowe would catch another pass, my buddy would groan. He finally said “Sheesh, I thought that guy was supposed to drop alot of passes”. I told him that he was looking at DBowe ver. 2.0.

The other thing I wanted to mention, that I haven’t heard anyone comment on was the pass to Moeaki in the 4th qtr. I recognize that DBowe stole the show yesterday, but that laser pass to Moeaki was a thing of beauty. Cassel has steadily gotten better.

Thanks for the good read!

by Chief_Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 9:35 AM CST reply actions  

Good pass, better catch....

Moeaki seems to have the tools to be special.

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by WestonK on Nov 29, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Bowe did have one drop

Not complaining at all because he has played lights out but it was on a slant I believe in the middle of the field and he would have had a first down. That said 1 drop and 13 receptions I’m quite alright with that one drop…

by Bsketbal52 on Nov 29, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I could be wrong

But I think the defender got his hand in there. It was still catchable, don’t get me wrong, but not as horrible as his past drops.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I went back and watched it

You are right I think the defenders hand got in there. I wasn’t really complaining though it was still a hell of a game by Bowe. It will be interesting to see if he continues his touchdown tear throughout the rest of the season. I was just thankful to see that it wasn’t a problem the next time he was thrown to.

by Bsketbal52 on Nov 29, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's good that it didn't get in his head like it has in the past

I don’t know if he can keep up this ridiculous rate, but he sure is starting to look consistent, and his QB is definitely trusting him.

That’s a tough combo to beat.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Like I posted earlier on another thread

I’m hearing voices in my head….Oh wait! It’s that reporter asking about a month or so back “can this team win with D Bowe on it?” Coach said (for the thousandth time that weekend) " I know this team can win with D bowe on it". I haven’t heard him asking that stupid crap lately.

You Play to Win the game!!!

by Wichita Chief on Nov 29, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha true story

I’m just praying that Bowe has finally realized what Fitz realized under Haley… That he could be more than just “good”.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

And yes, Cassel has gotten better. Bowe had the one drop, but I believe a defender got his hands in there too.

That must have been fun watching that with a Seahawks fan!

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep!

Hilarious! He’s a good guy and took it all well. Not sure that I would’ve been as gracious as he was if the Chiefs were losing that way.

He did admit that he had JC as one of his RBs in his fantasy league. So, that helped ease the sting some.

by Chief_Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

No votes for McHoodie? ;)

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 29, 2010 11:26 AM CST reply actions  

Gotta add the "humor option" :)

Honestly, he seems like a very talented OC (look at DEN’s passing attack), but a terrible head coach and human being.

The stuff coming out about him right now makes it tough not to think about how Denver seemed in our heads that Sunday… and how ticked off Haley was.

I mean, are we supposed to believe this was the first time they’d done this all year? Against the Niners?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Ohh I can't wait for Sunday!

You just know this whole team must be dying to get a second crack at these guys. I fully anticipate our biggest blowout win this Sunday. In the end, McHoddie may have done us a favor. If we do end up blowing out Denver this week, we should have huge momentum to finish the season and SD especially.
Also, I’m really looking forward to see Dex back. It looked like he was just beginning to hit his stride and the coaching staff was beginning to figure out how to use him. I can’t wait to see this offense at the end of the season!

by Lokrath on Nov 29, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

this is true

McClusters last game was 4 rushes and 5 pass completions. Denver hasn’t experienced the Dex Factor yet

Just try to STOP US

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 29, 2010 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why I was so bummed when he got hurt

It seemed like him and Cassel had found a bit of a groove with each other.

Hopefully he can get back into the groove of things without messing up what Bowe and Cassel have going lately.

I’d imagine that Bowe is going to start seeing a lot more double teams, so Dex and Moeaki could have a lot more opportunities in the next few games than they’re used to.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

That's the only downside to the Bowe explosion.

Cassel getting too dependent on him. Luckily, he’s already shown that he’s very comfortable throwing to Moeaki. And I think he’s called McCluster the best route runner on the team, right?

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by Brsrkr on Dec 1, 2010 2:30 AM CST up reply actions  

It was Haley that said that, but yes it was said.

And luckily, Dex runs very different types of routes than Bowe. A lot of out of the backfield and very short stuff so he can work with it after the catch.

So he should be able to operate in a separate area and make defenses choose who to focus on (hopefully)

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 1, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I totally agree on all counts

You know Cassel is salivating, knowing he can pass on those guys. Bowe’s chomping at the bit, knowing he can burn their secondary. And Dex has to be dying to pick up where he left off (his best overall game as a Chief).

And I’d be willing to bet that RC has that defense absolutely enraged about what they let happen last time.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

One thing

How does a team go from a complete embarrassment (two blocked kicks, one for 6), to great plays, to embarrassment (WTF DBs?), to killing the opponent?

That was an absolutely bizarre game. When Seattle closed to 21-17, I thought s@#$, here we go. Remarkably, the guys went in the right direction from there.

Love the end result, still amazed to the point of vomit at some of the ridiculous gaffes. But, young players will do incredibly stupid things, I guess.

by SCKSChief on Nov 29, 2010 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

I was a little worried at the 21-17 point

But it still seemed like we’d dominated the game. Just, like you said, a few ridiculous gaffes.

And you have to give a lot of credit to SEA’s ST group. They keep those guys in games.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Wish our guys did

We are definitely NOT getting the most out of our ST units right now. Something has to change. Maybe more first string talent will trickle down to better skill on the ST units. Bad, bad, bad right now. full body shiver

by SCKSChief on Nov 29, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Lot's of injuries right now

the top ST’s guys are playing 1st string so you have Tucker and Copper returning kicks. So on and so forth

Just try to STOP US

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 29, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

SCKSCHief

WHat you saw was over confidence affecting play. Once we got up 21-7, a few of those players started doing a little coasting. Kendrick Lewis also made a very bad rookie mistake on the long TD pass. It was a perfect game for these guys to have to drive home the point that in the NFL you can’t let up. You have to keep your foot on the gas for the entire game. They are learning, but unless they all take heed their season will end before they want it to.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Nov 30, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

And once they got shocked a little

They definitely put their foot on the throat to close out the game.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and rec'd.

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by ArrowSpread on Nov 29, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

And I agree with you.

He seems to know when to get heavy on a guy, and when to lay off.

he could’ve killed Bowe after a couple of big drops this year, but instead he defended him and praised his blocking. And it seems to be reaping rewards.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I disagree with you on this one MN,

It is more about coaching from one consistent frame of reference than it is about knowing which guy to get “heavy” on. Haley’s way is the way it is. Each player reacts to it in their own way and that reaction garners them support and acceptance or shuns them with avoidance. It is funny to hear Waters talk about treating the players differently because from Haley’s perspective I’ll bet he feels like he treats them all similarly. It’s the players perspective that causes them to believe that they are being treated differently.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Nov 30, 2010 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

If you say so, brother.

All I know is that Bowe had some crucial, crucial dropped passes, yet Haley kept praising him and didn’t flip out on him on the sideline.

That IMO shows some knowledge on when to push a guy (last year) and when to help guide him through a rough patch (this year)

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Great Post. Agreed and Rec'd

Back when Pioli picked Haley, I went out on the net and did some digging to find out a little more info on him. I don’t remember exactly where I read it, but some info that stuck with me was Todd stated he remembered watching scouting tapes with his dad when he was 7 years old.

I think being a player could help, could hurt, depending upon what lessons you choose to apply. The fact that Todd Haley grew up in an environment where he was watching and learning how to evaluate players for the pro game from such a young age has got to be huge.

Clark Hunt is to be commended on picking solid people, and letting them do what they do.

Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!

by rwalke10 on Dec 2, 2010 1:39 AM CST up reply actions  

We may have something here...

but let me see next years schedule first…actually, can’t complain, they are competing and improving every game (that includes Haley). From here on out every game is like a play-off game, and that will be big for them.

by 12t on Nov 29, 2010 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

Good practice for high-pressure games, to be sure.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I am currently eating crow on Cassel. Which i was HOPING I would

But it was never the numbers for Cassel that i had a problem with.

It was just the lack of the “gamer” factor…

But these last 2 and a half weeks, Cassel has straight up looked like the MAN. And I’m loving it. I had no confidence in him when I would see him drop back. Now I get excited to see what’s going to happen watching him in that pocket.

ESPECIALLY when he was standing in there w/ backside pressure and makes the perfect read to hit Bowe and releases just in time on his 2nd TD. Straight ballin’ Matt!

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by Dustin SLO,CA on Nov 29, 2010 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

He has really looked better out there

And I know that every Cassel doubter (myself included) was desperately hoping he’d improve. It’s nice to see good things happen, rather than bad.

Crow tastes pretty good at 7-4, doesn’t it? :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Good call

I’d much rather eat the crow that erred on the side of caution than eat the s*#* flavored crow that predicted great things that never came to pass. Feels (and tastes) better all around.

by SCKSChief on Nov 29, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Then, of course,

there are those of us who haven’t tasted Cassel crow at all. My diet has been pretty consistent.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Nov 30, 2010 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok, its good but, not all good

This may be a small thing and, maybe its just me but, I really do wish he would stop being such a dick on the headphones. He must have said some really awful things yesterday and we could all read his lips on most of them. After the game Romeo wanted a handshake from Haley and instead, he got a hug. I am betting that some very mean things were said during the game on the Chiefs Channel. If he continues to hurt our assistant coaches feelings, that would not be good.
Seemed like a bit of grandstanding to me. But, I really like Romeo and would not want his feelings bruised.

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by Spunky on Nov 29, 2010 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

Good point

I noticed him being pretty heated on the headphones as well.

I don’t worry too much about Crennel. He seems much more professional than Weis, and a lot less emotional.

But yes, when someone’s doing as good a job as RC is, we want him happy.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Haley's intensity boils over in the language department

Some people would describe this as a hot head. I think most of us have played for a coach like this in the past who communicates his emotions of dissatisfaction through screaming yelling and cursing at us. We get used to it and realize that is how it is. Our feelings arent hurt, In fact, sometimes that emotion drives us to greater success. It seems to work whether we like the looks of it or not. The leader must have already earned your respect due to his passion, hard work ethic, intelligence, etc…
I remember the best project I ever worked on was run by an individual very similar to Haley. He got the best out of all of us and if you knew what you were doing you stood up to him toe to toe and barked it right back at him. Strangely enough he respected me more after that. I really miss that job now.

I am guessing that is what it is like at the Chiefs facility these days.

Good write up MN

by paulredfish on Nov 29, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

I felt I owed it to him (because we all know he cares a great deal what people on AP think, right?)

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice write up

I’ll have to eat my words on Dorsey. I jumped on the “draft time trade to lions talk”. I have backed Haley and Cassel from the beginning. Loved the trade from NE and loved Cassel for the way he went about his business. I’m not surprised with how well he is playing, he worked hard and everyone backed him. I was luke warm on Bowe and DJ but I felt like if the coaches weren’t trying to motivate them than why keep them around?

I’m glad that we can go back and look at comments from our “AP past”. And Wreck’d!

by BJ Kissel on Nov 29, 2010 2:09 PM CST reply actions  

thank you I just think Cassel handles things the right way, and that’s overlooked. Nobody will be too surprised if he’s a top 12 QB in the future. He has the abilities, work ethic, put a solid team around him and he won’t hold them back.
by Bajah07 on Dec 31, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions

by BJ Kissel on Nov 29, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Like you said...

Good to look back and see where we are now.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Good post as usual MN. Nice to see humility in public action. ;-)
I haven’t been a ‘hater’ per se, but sure had my concerns early in the season about Cassel and Bowe.
I’m thrilled with the way they’re both playing and hope they set NFL records and keep going season after season.
The Chiefs overall have done much better already than I thought they would this year so I’m happy!

I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes for the rest of the season...

by WorL4Chiefs on Nov 29, 2010 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

Rec
“Why yes, that sounds like a fabulous idea, sir!”

and away you go to the top Again :)

Just try to STOP US

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 29, 2010 6:50 PM CST reply actions  

Over the river and through the woods...

Up to the top, from Steve. Thanks.

Man, lotsa newbies around here lately (which is cool by me). Time for an old guard like you to do a good ol’ fashioned “welcome to AP, now let me show you what the sarcasm font is” type post.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

That was not

sarcasm

it looks quite different

Just try to STOP US

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 29, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha thanks

I just figured I’d bounce that idea off you while I had you here. Seems like more than a few new guys have flipped out on someone, not knowing what the sarcasm font is.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I always liked Haley

He was busting jokes on Sean Smith in the press conference today :)
Whats not to love?

Just try to STOP US

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 29, 2010 6:52 PM CST reply actions  

Ah Dwayne Bowe

An enigma. A mystery wrapped in a dumbass. After the Oakland game I dropped him from my fantasy team. Not because of his fantasy production, but because of his contributions to the Chiefs loss column. I have never had a problem with his overall production. My problem with him as been his game winning production or lack there of. I have to hand it to Bowe. He has recently found a way to overcome his short comings. He makes enough offensive production during the the first 58 minutes that we don’t have to rely on him in the last 2 minutes. Here is a challenge for Bowe. When the game is on the line, all we need is a first down, onside kick recovery, or god forbid a touchdown, please make me feel like an idiot for screaming over and over again; please not to Bowe, please not to Bowe, please not to Bowe. Until that happens, he is a good receiver but definitely not a “go to” receiver. The Chiefs need a “go to” receiver.

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by Idahochief on Nov 29, 2010 7:21 PM CST reply actions  

Huh?

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

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by GetRight on Nov 29, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

You heard him

“excuse me, sir, do you know where I can find backalackalacka street?”

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

He had a couple of crucial 3rd down catches this game

When it was still relatively close.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 29, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been saying this about Bowe

and bashing Cassel all season long. While I would still like to have another WR opposite Bowe (I’m currently working on my Larry Fitzgerald Chiefs jersey), I’ve gotta say Bowe has stepped up and been THE go to guy. He and Cassel are connecting like Joe Mo and Jerry Rice, it is a B-E-A-utiful thing to watch.

Bowe is not Jerry Rice, and Cassel is not Joe Montana. But for once we have a passing attack that looks darn good, backed by the leagues best rushing attack, and lately I’m finding it hard to scream and yell at Bowe or Cassel anymore. Give credit where credit is due.

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by shotty on Nov 29, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

By the way, great post MN, REC'd sir!

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by shotty on Nov 29, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Shotty

And I’m with you. Larry Fitz! You KNOW the guy wants to play for Haley again.

I’d give up a 1st and 3rd for him without even blinking.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

they need a QB

I suggest Brodie and a 3rd. (Because many of you guys on here know that Brodie is worth a 1st (or two)!)

I love me some Shaun Smith!

by kabrink on Nov 30, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Forget the 3rd

Just give them Brodie. Straight up :)

After all, he’s got a great arm

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Great point!

How great is it to be at the time where we start speculating about the off season, and still be able to speculate about the playoffs as well?

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by Brsrkr on Dec 1, 2010 2:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Same here

although with the threat of a lockout looming for 2011, and Fitz being a FA in 2012, I’d say Pioli will role with the draft and try to pick up some needed pass-rushing help on D, and maybe draft some OL.

If Pioli trades any high pick(s) this offseason I think it would be for Haloti Ngata at NT, or Marcus McNeil at OT. Doubt Ngata slips away from Baltimore, and McNeil I just don’t have a clue about. Another guy on the radar (for me), is Richard Seymore.

Just a thought here, but both Chad Greenway AND Ben Leber have expiring contracts this season, I would love to have either of these guys. Also, Atari Bigby has a contract under expiration as well. I like Kendrick Lewis, but given the state of our rookie S and our secondary’ plague of injuries, I’d like to see someone a bit more seasoned back there with Berry that could mentor both.

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by shotty on Nov 30, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

you didn't give us supporters a poll choice

I’ve gladly supported Pioli and Haley since day 1. I wanted a young coordinator instead of a tired retread coach and was happy to get him. After seeing his style I liked him even more and have always agreed with his hard nosed and aggressive approach. My arguments of support for Pioli/Haley/and even more so Cassel have always just been to have some damn patience. This website thinks oil tankers can turn on a dime. Nope, they can’t. But, we are ahead of schedule.

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by kabrink on Nov 29, 2010 9:45 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

+1

Last year I took a ton of crap for believing Haleys approach to discipline was the right way. Some folks would compare his philosophy to their own working environments. My point was always that you can’t compare football world to our world. I’ve never had a coach treat me like a human and I was always better for it and from the looks of things, so are the Chiefs players and coaches. Also, you’re right about needing another poll choice but I don’t think that’s really what this post was about.

by Chiefs_40 on Nov 29, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

My bad kabrink :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed and Rec'd

I was hoping Haley would handoff his OC duties to someone else this season. While I felt I understood why he did those things last year, my guess is we could have won 3 more of those close games in 2009 if we’d just have tried to win with what we had — BUT, it wasn’t his way, and I’m good with that. Better to blow everything up and install your way from the get-go, and that took cahonies larger than we can fathom in this win at all costs league. I think it also shows there is understanding all the way upto Clark Hunt we had to literally start from scratch on everything about how we did things.

Knowing what we know now (that Haley had contacted Crennel last year, but it was too early after Romeo’s hip replacement surgery for him to return to coaching), its easy to see why we changed over to the 3-4 last year. Better to blow it up then and have a decent idea of which players can adapt, and which cannot. That way you hit the ground running for 2010 knowing what your needs are.

Bill Maas stated awhile back on sports radio that Weis has developed not good, but VERY GOOD offenses and QB’s everywhere he’s been. I’ll be the first to admit I scratched my head at some of the playcalling, but then again, Weis is very respected around the league for his ability, and I’m just a fan; huge difference in expertise there. In addition I understand offenses take longer to gel than defenses. Finally, its never a dumb call when it succeeds, only when it doesn’t work. When you’re trying to build confidence for the long term, I imagine you may do it a bit differently than if it were 4th and 1 from 6 with .06 left in the Superbowl.

Crennel? Well, he’s just been awesome in this fan’s book. Both Romeo and Charlie have been around long enough to have seen every type of every alignment. They also have a history of results that our young team doesn’t question.

Speaking of which, back before the season started, I did a fanpost about our coaching experience. During my research, I discovered our staff has 25 WINNING Superbowl rings, from 33 appearances. That experience runs deep — 12 folks share in that total, more from a coaching vs playing perspective.

 One thing I heard Haley talk about early last year, was when they hired coaches, they also realized attrition was a valid concern, especially once you start winning. So, they were already allowing for coaches being siphoned off to bigger and better opportunity by hiring young, inexperienced coaches (like Sirianni) who would mentor with our seasoned staff.

How do you describe year to year dominance? Think about how dominant NE would have ended up had those 8-9 coaches and staff not left to persue their dreams? Almost puts a shiver down one’s spine.

Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!

by rwalke10 on Dec 2, 2010 2:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I posted my opinions and observations about Cassel just after the Denver game

In which I questioned almost everything about him in the way he played the position. I say ‘played’ because, since the Denver game, he hasn’t played at all the way he had all season. In my post I observed (amongst other things) his slow read progression, bad timing, twitchy footwork, lack of line adjustments, etc… I also said that I doubted he’d ever be more than an average QB.
I’ve never been so happy to be so wrong before! I will gladly eat this kind of crow all year long! I still have serious doubts that he will ever be an ‘elite’ QB, but I’m really hoping I’m wrong again!
As for the rest of this team, I think we’re all elated that all our first round picks and young guys are finally coming around and having such a huge impact. I’m really hoping that Dex can fill in the slot position and we begin to use Tony Moeaki more and more. If we do that, then we don’t need to draft a WR and we can go after a pass rusher. People better beat us this year, because this WILL be the decade of the Chiefs!!

by Lokrath on Nov 29, 2010 10:21 PM CST reply actions  

ou must have stopped watching the Denver game at halftime... and who could blame you

I dont usually do the ingame thread posts but I was in on that one. Right after he got sacked fumbled and returned for a TD, I said it was time to pull the hook on Cassel. Now I was never a hater just a realist who saw the same shortcomings everyone else did with the locking in on one reciever, no pocket presence, bad reads, etc… I saw some good games before as well like SF and the 2nd half of the Cleveland game.
Could I have been anymore wrong on the pull the hook comment? I dont think so. In fact, ever since that he has basically been on fire. Look at the second half of the Bronco game up to now and tell me if you see the same QB as before. He makes the progressions. His feet are set. He has greatr pocket awareness. All he needed was the confidence to pass the ball at will. It was like he needed that game to realize he really did have it. The same could really be said for Bowe. So in a very strange way we can thank Denver for unleashing the three headed monster known as Charles Bowe Cassel. My thoughts for this Sundays game: take the Chiefs and the points

by paulredfish on Nov 29, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he's looked like a different QB

I was wondering if him tossing the ball all over the field in the 2nd half would wake him up a little and maybe give the coaches enough confidence in him to let him loose.

And it’s been night and day. Better footwork, snappy throws, much better accuracy, gunning it in there a few times, buying time with his athleticism… a crazy amount of improvement.

That 36 yard TD toss to Bowe was a thing of beauty. Right on the money.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Another Cassel Stat

Since the 1st quarter of that San Francisco game, Cassel has thrown 21 TD’s and 1 INT, that is flat out incredible. He’s undoubtedly coming of age.

We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.

by Flowers24 on Nov 30, 2010 12:36 AM CST reply actions  

My God

That is insane.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Know the easiest way to get embarrassed? Only think in terms of garbage vs diamonds.

Know how you can never get embarrassed? NEVER commit! I frickin’ LIVE on the fence, man! ‘Course, I’m also a lifelong bachelor…but screw that! Like the wise man once said, “The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.”

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After a first glimpse into the truth of football, tackles are no longer tackles and touchdowns are not touchdowns.
After enlightenment, tackles are once again tackles and touchdowns once again touchdowns.

by Brsrkr on Nov 30, 2010 2:43 AM CST reply actions  

Haha nice

JComp gives me a hard time for being on the fence. But I’m with you, it’s a good place to be :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

moderation in all things

whether it is praise or criticism. It appears our coaching staff is getting the most out of our players abilities. The Chief’s have burned me so many times in the last 40 years. I try not to be reactionary. IMO the Chief’s are what they are, a well coached team with some holes and some very young players still learning how to win.

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by dklogue1 on Nov 30, 2010 5:24 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Very true

On the upswing, but with some serious holes before we should start buying SB tickets.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!

by rwalke10 on Dec 2, 2010 2:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Another great post MN!!

I am becoming a Cassel convert. Not quite there yet but I’m leaning way over on his side of the fence now. He is showing great poise in the pocket and his consistency has been over the top lately. And I am becoming an MN fan as well with all these great posts you have been coming up with. Just want to say thanks and keep it going, also rec’d.

by chiefdan on Nov 30, 2010 8:01 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks chiefdan

Just having some fun. And I’m with you. I’ve got just the TINIEST portion of reservation left about Cassel, but it’s rapidly gone.

One could easily argue that he hasn’t had a bad game since IND. Not saying he’s been great in every game, but it’s been a while since he’s been below average.

Hopefully the improvement just keeps on coming :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see a look at how Pollard, Page, Tank, and Turk have turned out.

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by Justin Bopp on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 PM CST reply actions  

Well from what I can gather on a quick look

Tank Tyler – Cut from CAR
Jarrad Page – Started 0 games, played in 5, 2 tackles, 1 INT
Bernard Pollard – 85 Tackles, 11 games started so far. But he had a lot of tackles with us and was horrible in coverage. I know he was still a liability in coverage through weeks 4/5 when I was still kind of keeping up with him. No idea how he’s doing since then though. Would suspect he’s still a liability, but that’s just speculation – who knows, maybe he’s improved like Bowe has?

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Nov 30, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I was hoping for more from Page.

I’ve got nothing really against him. And more importantly, it’d mean a better draft pick.

When a rookie first comes to football, tackles are tackles and touchdowns are touchdowns.
After a first glimpse into the truth of football, tackles are no longer tackles and touchdowns are not touchdowns.
After enlightenment, tackles are once again tackles and touchdowns once again touchdowns.

by Brsrkr on Dec 1, 2010 2:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he's been hurt some as well

but not sure.

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by kabrink on Dec 1, 2010 6:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Good Read.....and a Couple Thoughts....
Otherwise, don’t expect me to take it on faith (unless your name happens to be Jesus, and I have yet to run into that problem in my life).

Move to San Antonio, Texas or southern California. You’ll meet someone named ‘Jesus’ on a daily basis. But even then, I wouldn’t recommend taking everything they say on faith. =)

He’s [DJ] playing by far the best football of his career, having won his starting job back

DJ has always been a talented player in KC. DJ has also always been alone as a talented LB in KC. I would attribute a very large part of DJ’s growth to pairing him with Belcher. Belcher’s ‘stay at home’ meat an potatoes play has allowed DJ to be the QB spy, shallows pass coverage, blitzer that we always knew he could be. The scheme plays much more to his strengths than the 4-3 does, but he has to have talent next to him..and Belcher is a great complimentary piece.

BTW Rec’d your article.

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by Texas Chief on Nov 30, 2010 3:51 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks, and nice point on Belcher

I’ve seen people talking about replacing him, but he seems decent to me. Which, considering he’s in his 2nd year after being an UDRFA, is very impressive.

He’s a guy that, like you said, is steady. And we need that next to DJ.

I’d also say that our D-line’s improved play has made a big difference as well.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 30, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

He is steady

But he is a huge liability in the passing game, especially when in zone coverage. Also, lately he’s taken to getting out of position when filling on run plays and allowing them to go where we don’t have support.

I like him on Special Teams, but as an everyday starter at MLB, I don’t think Belcher is the guy. I think there needs to be an upgrade there.

by SCKSChief on Dec 1, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

No argument there

We are fairly non-existent (overall) at NT. Granted a more dominating NT would make any LB look better. Still think an upgrade is needed. But, you have a point.

by SCKSChief on Dec 1, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Great read MN -- Rec'd

My early faith in Cassel started to waver as we got to midseason because of his sketchy play, but as it often is with developing players, you have some roller-coaster events. It seems to me the game is slowing down for Cassel quite a bit here of late, and he’s looked awesome. I try to remember we’ll have some occasional setbacks with such an inexperienced QB, but he’s (to quote Haley’s way of saying it) stacking good games on top of good games recently. Kudos to Cassel.

I’m very happy to see Bowe starting to mature, but to be a true #1 in my book, you have to make those game clinching catches on a consistent basis. I want to see him succeed, but I’m going to withhold my nod until the end of the season. To me, he remains Haley’s biggest project, and he (Haley) will need to keep a close eye on this loose cannon. I’m starting to get nervous watching Bowe start to talk with the Media again. I hope he doesn’t revert back to the DBowe of years past.

I’ve said this before, but I believe a lot of the instant criticism around here stems from all our years suffering thru the Peterson era. Year, after year after year of broken promises. It seemed to me the longer Peterson was here the more his players turned into thugs—talent over heart. Its very refreshing to this fan to see that trend quickly reversing itself with our new administration.

Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!

by rwalke10 on Dec 2, 2010 3:06 AM CST reply actions  

When I see Bowe

I don’t see a bad guy. I see a guy who isn’t all that smart.

I don’t mean to be a jerk, but that’s genuinely the way he comes off. I think he needs a strong figure to look up to, much like a young teen would. If that’s not around, he ends up saying stupid things and losing his focus on the field.

And I think he’s bought in so totally and wants so badly to be the “right kind of guy” that he’ll do whatever it takes.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 2, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And I agree with that.

That’s what I was trying to say about Bowe, which I guess didn’t come across very well. I wasn’t trying to say Bowe was a bad guy, just didn’t have his shit together life-wise. Easy to let stuff crawl in his head, fragile ego, etc., and that Haley, in his mentoring, has to really keep his thumb on the pulse of Bowe’s psyche.

Kind of like in Men In Black and you peel an aliens’ cranium back and there’s a little guy with a couple of joysticks in his hand sitting in his head. That is what I picture Haley doing with Bowe.

Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!

by rwalke10 on Dec 2, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha nice

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 2, 2010 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

This is a great comment.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Dec 3, 2010 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I know

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 3, 2010 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Haha thanks

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 3, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

:)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Dec 3, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I've liked Haley since day one

From the time he started the whole weight loss and conditioning kick, along with all the practice in pads, I thought we had a guy who knew how to get this team headed in the right direction. I expected he would made some personnel and coaching mistakes, and he has, and he still will from time to time (resigning Chambers is looking like one that he and Pioli flubbed). But I thought it was clear he was intent on building a championship team, not just a winning one. That’s what sold me.

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by Big Chief on Dec 2, 2010 9:42 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah I also liked him, even if I disagreed with how he came across

Like you, the condition thing won me over.

The Chambers thing sure does look like perhaps their biggest miscue thusfar. I can see why they did it though. He looked like a very solid receiver last year.

It’s frustrating. Can you imagine what our offense would look like if he’d kept up that kind of play, with Bowe having such a monster season and our rushing attack being so dangerous, not to mention Cassel’s development and our added talent (Dex, Moeaki)?

Very frustrating.

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 3, 2010 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed

they had to resign him. We needed to have some kind of veteran guy there. It’s too bad the way he is panning out. Even worse, it’s just how our SD “friends” told us he’d be.

I love me some Shaun Smith!

by kabrink on Dec 4, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Are there even 6 Denver fans

That like McDaniels anymore?

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 3, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope...

…that is why 6 Denver Donkey fans voted that they wished the Chiefs would have picked up McD.

by DivineGrace on Dec 4, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahh Right :)

Now I see the light

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by MNchiefsfan on Dec 4, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

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