Arrowheadlines: Chiefs News 11/25

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 25, 2010 7:20 AM CST

Happy Thanksgiving! Here's some Kansas City Chiefs news to start out the holiday. Enjoy your friends and family today. If anyone's at the lighting tonight, see if you can get pics of Charles/Jones throwing the switch and post them.

"I’ll always have a soft spot for Kansas City. … It was a big part of my life," said Peterson, 66, who appeared as fit and relaxed and at ease as he ever was during his 20-year tenure as the Chiefs’ chief executive officer, president and general manager.

Although Peterson doesn’t instantly check the Chiefs’ box scores in the paper on Monday mornings, he takes some pride in watching the club’s resurgence to first place in the AFC West, especially because his administration formed the team’s nucleus in the last four drafts before Peterson’s departure after the 2008 season.

Carl Peterson’s fingerprints are all over the current Chiefs squad from KC Star

Things are at such an extreme that when asked whether the Seahawks could win without being plus in turnovers, Seattle coach Pete Carroll said, "Not very well and not very often. The football is everything to us. If in eight of our 10 games we had been plus, we’d be 8-2. That’s just the way I know football."

The situation isn’t as dramatic for the Chiefs, who are plus-5 in turnovers in their six victories and even in turnovers in their four defeats. But they’re protecting the ball better than any other team in the league with only seven turnovers.

Seattle relies on turnovers to win, but Chiefs won't give it away from KC Star

NFL.com Video: Week 12: Chiefs vs. Seahawks Preview

The 2006 addition of a Thanksgiving night game along with the death that same year of Kansas City Chiefs owner Lamar Hunt, a longtime advocate of rotating the Thanksgiving contests, quieted much of the internal chatter for change. And even with the Lions playing, the average television rating for the Detroit and Dallas games usually matches or exceeds what the league draws on Sunday afternoons. The Detroit-New England game Thursday should also do well primarily because of the Patriots (8-2).

The audience, though, would grow even more if the early game were played between two popular teams in a fresh market.

Tradition is costing NFL, players money from FOX Sports

In his latest effort to jump-start the Chiefs’ ability to win on the road, coach Todd Haley held practice outside Wednesday in noticeably Seattle-like conditions.

The Chiefs worked out in a steady drizzle, and though there was some slipping on the artificial surface, Haley said it could prepare his team for possible weather this weekend in the Pacific Northwest.

Chiefs’ notebook: Team prepares for hostile Seattle environment from KC Star

While the Chiefs control their playoff fate, they haven't controlled much while going 1-4 away from Arrowhead Stadium. Kansas City, which has lost 43 of 57 away games in November or later during the last 13 seasons, plays three of four on the road beginning Sunday.

"This is a tough stretch," coach Todd Haley told the Chiefs' official website. "Like I said (Sunday), this is a marathon and this is the true grind-it-out period of the season where I think teams are going to start to define themselves as good teams, in-between teams and not-so-good teams."

Seattle vs. Kansas City from CBS Sports

Seahawks wide receiver didn't practice Wednesday and is still in a boot because of a foot injury suffered against the New Orleans Saints last week, but head coach Pete Carroll wouldn't rule his pest receiver out for Sunday's game against the Kansas City Chiefs.

"He had a really good recovery the first couple of days," Carroll said Wednesday.

"There's an optimism about the injury itself that it might be able to come back."

Carroll won't rule out Williams for Sunday from The Seattle Post-Intelligencer

Seahawks RB Marshawn Lynch often refers to his style of play as "Beast Mode."

But last Sunday in New Orleans, he displayed a curious new style, "Least Mode." Lynch lost two fumbles, dropped two passes and was limited to seven carries, his fewest since joining Seattle.

Things got so bad that coach Pete Carroll benched Lynch early in the second half, replacing him with kick return specialist Leon Washington.

Seahawks: -1 Kansas City (6-4) At Seattle (5-5), Sunday, 1:05 P.M. from The Province

Kansas City Chiefs - It hasn't been the easiest ride to the top of the division and the hold is hardly strong, but there is no question that the Chiefs are on the right track under GM Scott Pioli, maturing head coach Todd Haley and superb coordinators Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel. Yeah, Haley could occasionally use a chill pill, but he's getting there.

32 reasons to give thanks in the NFL from Yahoo! Sports

The Chiefs have a 31-18 edge in their all-time series with the Seahawks, including a 35-28 home victory when the teams last met, in Week 8 of the 2006 season. Seattle won the previous meeting, a 39-32 affair at home in 2002. The Chiefs are 0-2 in Seattle since last winning there in 2000. The teams played twice a year as members of the AFC West from 1978 through 2001.

NFL Preview - Kansas City (6-4) at Seattle (5-5) from The Modesto Bee

TODD HALEY: Chiefs coach refused to shake hands with Josh McDaniels after a 49-29 blowout loss even though the Broncos passed up a field goal at the end of the game (and, remember, the Chiefs rang up 44 on the Broncos at the end of last season). Afterward Haley was so angry he skipped the Chiefs' postgame meal of juice boxes and Dora shaped fruit snacks.

Turkey of the Year Awards from ESPN

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Hey Bowe I think that guy is giving tou a hand .

CHIEFS fan 4 life

by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Nov 25, 2010 7:43 AM CST reply actions

He's going all shaun smith on him

Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
Hali and Flowers are Pro Bowlers, even if the NFL fails to realise it

by trentchiefsfan on Nov 25, 2010 7:57 AM CST up reply actions

TSA

Cards have been drafting former TSA agents to play DB.

by eljefe83 on Nov 25, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions

They're also useful for the hands team on kickoffs.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 25, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions

I feel so conflicted on King Carl now

Without that 08 draft class, we look like a significantly worse team. It was his failure though to draft any talent when we were strong in the 2002-2005 period. that was our window and he couldn’t get the defensive talent to get us through the playoffs. then when he finally started getting some quality players like DJ and Tamba it was too late. Green was getting old, Priest was finished, Roaf had retired, Shields wasn’t far behind him. Then he didn’t have the offense to make up for that crap defense and couldn’t get the coaches to make those highly drafted players reach to there potential.

Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
Hali and Flowers are Pro Bowlers, even if the NFL fails to realise it

by trentchiefsfan on Nov 25, 2010 8:05 AM CST reply actions

That's how it goes though

We are where we are now because of the past, cant change it

Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!

by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 25, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions

I give credit to Herm for the 2008 draft class

that was Carl’s last season, and the one where he’d really been “transplanted” by Herm as “working head of the Chiefs empire and kingdom” … why? because that’s when Clark really took over for the late Lamar … who had given Carl pretty much complete autonomy

after the passing of Lamar, herm got the ear of Clark and got him to see that Carl’s methods of keeping the over-the-hill vets around wasn’t in the best interests of the team, and that the team really needed the rebuild that he (Herm) wanted to do when he got to KC a couple of years earlier

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by upamtn on Nov 25, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions

Sorry, but I think you're nuts

Herm was good for 1 thing. Drafting Corners. It’s all he really knows. Other than that, I think he’s the idiot that did us in as an organization.

RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Nov 26, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions

Poor Drafter - Free Agent Master

Carl did a tremendous job at reformatting the franchise which included the Marty hire and the Game Day experience. Not to overly critique trentchiefs but over all his drafting was low in the league and told the tale.

An often forgotten factor is that Neal Smith was here when Carl arrived and most observers attribute much of Derrick’s success to Neal’s multiple years of All Pro performance. Only one other #1 pops up as a tremendous, long term player after Derrick – Tony G.

Dale Carter had a few years and now we have the run of DJ, Tambla, Dwayne and Dorsey. That makes only 6 outstanding #1’s in 20 years.

Re Free Agents…Carl’s expertise at luring players to KC was what kept the Chiefs competitive and in some cases very good.

Carl’s greatest legacy are these names: DeBerg, Krieg, Davis, Anders, Montana, Allen, Phillips, Simien, Salamua, Hasty, Risen, Green, Kennison, Richardson, Waters, Rolf and his best All-Time Priest.

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by since63 on Nov 25, 2010 8:58 AM CST reply actions

Happy Thanksgiving all!!!

I’m not sure how much I’ll be able to get on here later and see if there is a thread for thanks so here’s mine. I hope everyone has a safe and enjoyable Thanksgiving! Enjoy the games too. I’m thankfull for so much I won’t make this a long boring post. One thing I will say. I’m sure thankfull for our Chiefs that are looking better than they have in years. How good? As is debated here many times a day, it’s still a work in progress. My thumbs are up. Enjoy!

You Play to Win the game!!!

by Wichita Chief on Nov 25, 2010 9:25 AM CST reply actions

Honestly I only see two good to great drafts out of king Karl

He occasionally hit on a great player, and that doesn’t always mean great for us, Look at Joe Horn.

2008 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State
1 15 Branden Albert T Virginia
2 35 Brandon Flowers CB Virginia Tech
3 73 Jamaal Charles RB Texas
3 76 Brad Cottam TE Tennessee
3 82 DaJuan Morgan SAF North Carolina State
4 105 Will Franklin WR Missouri
5 140 Brandon Carr CB Grand Valley State
6 170 Barry Richardson T Clemson
6 182 Kevin Robinson WR Utah State
7 210 Brian Johnston DE Gardner-Webb
7 239 Mike Merritt TE Central Florida
2007 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 23 Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State
2 54 Turk McBride DE Tennessee
3 82 Tank Tyler DT North Carolina State
5 148 Kolby Smith RB Louisville
5 160 Justin Medlock K UCLA
6 196 Herb Taylor T Texas Christian
7 231 Michael Allan TE Whitworth
2006 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 Tamba Hali DE Penn State
2 54 Bernard Pollard DB Purdue
3 85 Brodie Croyle QB Alabama
5 154 Marcus Maxey CB Miami (Fla.)
6 186 Tre’ Stallings G Mississippi
6 190 Jeff Webb WR San Diego State
7 228 Jarrad Page DB UCLA
2005 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 15 Derrick Johnson OLB Texas
3 99 Dustin Colquitt P Tennessee
4 116 Craphonso Thorpe WR Florida State
5 138 Boomer Grigsby LB Illinois State
5 147 Alphonso Hodge CB Miami (Ohio)
6 187 Will Svitek T Stanford
6 199 Khari Long DE Baylor
7 229 James Kilian - Tulsa
7 238 Jeremy Parquet T Southern Mississippi
2004 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 36 Junior Siavii DT Oregon
2 61 Kris Wilson TE Pittsburgh
3 93 Keyaron Fox LB Georgia Tech
4 105 Samie Parker WR Oregon
4 126 Jared Allen DE Idaho State
6 195 Jeris McIntyre WR Auburn
7 231 Kevin Sampson T Syracuse
2003 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 27 Larry Johnson RB Penn State
2 47 Kawika Mitchell MLB South Florida
3 92 Julian Battle CB Tennessee
4 113 Brett Williams T Florida State
5 153 Jordan Black G Notre Dame
6 189 Jimmy Wilkerson DE Oklahoma
7 230 Montique Sharpe DT Wake Forest
7 252 Willie Pile DB Virginia Tech
2002 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
2 43 Eddie Freeman DT Alabama-Birmingham
4 107 Omar Easy RB Penn State
5 143 Scott Fujita OLB California
7 221 Maurice Rodriguez - Fresno State
2001 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
3 75 Eric Downing DT Syracuse
3 77 Snoop Minnis WR Florida State
4 107 Monty Beisel DE Kansas State
4 108 George Layne RB Texas Christian
5 141 Billy Baber TE Virginia
5 150 Derrick Blaylock RB Stephen F. Austin St.
6 176 Alex Sulfsted T Miami (Ohio)
7 212 Shaunard Harts DB Boise State
7 243 Terdell Sands DT Tennessee-Chattanooga
2000 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State
2 54 William Bartee CB Oklahoma
3 85 Greg Wesley SS Arkansas-Pine Bluff
4 115 Frank Moreau RB Louisville
5 153 Dante Hall RB Texas A&M
5 162 Pat Dennis CB Louisiana-Monroe
6 188 Darnell Alford T Boston College
7 208 Desmond Kitchings WR Furman
1999 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 14 John Tait T Brigham Young
2 54 Mike Cloud RB Boston College
3 75 Gary Stills LB West Virginia
3 84 Larry Atkins DB UCLA
4 108 Larry Parker WR USC
7 220 Eric King - Richmond
1998 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 27 Victor Riley T Auburn
3 88 Rashaan Shehee RB Washington
4 120 Greg Favors ILB Mississippi State
5 128 Robert Williams DB North Carolina
6 181 Derrick Ransom DT Cincinnati
7 216 Eric Warfield DB Nebraska
7 224 Ernest Blackwell - Missouri
1997 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 13 Tony Gonzalez TE California
2 47 Kevin Lockett WR Kansas State
4 110 Pat Barnes QB California
6 163 June Henley RB Kansas
6 195 Isaac Byrd WR Kansas
7 214 Nathan Parks T Stanford
1996 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 28 Jerome Woods DB Memphis
2 58 Reggie Tongue DB Oregon State
3 68 John Browning DT West Virginia
4 98 Donnie Edwards LB UCLA
5 135 Joe Horn WR Itawamba CC MS
6 176 Dietrich Jells WR Pittsburgh
7 211 Ben Lynch C California
7 241 Jeff Smith C Tennessee
7 245 Darrell Williams - Tennessee State
1995 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan
3 81 Tamarick Vanover WR Florida State
3 97 Troy Dumas LB Nebraska
4 134 Steve Stenstrom QB Stanford
5 155 Mike Pelton DT Auburn
5 164 Jerrott Willard LB California
6 202 Bryan Proby DE Arizona State
6 207 Tom Barndt G Pittsburgh
1994 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 25 Greg Hill RB Texas A&M
2 58 Donnell Bennett RB Miami (Fla.)
3 92 Lake Dawson WR Notre Dame
3 96 Chris Penn WR Tulsa
4 127 Bracy Walker SAF North Carolina
5 151 James Burton CB Fresno State
5 156 Rob Waldrop DT Arizona
6 185 Anthony Daigle RB Fresno State
7 199 Steve Matthews QB Memphis
7 219 Tracy Greene TE Grambling State
1993 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
3 74 Will Shields G Nebraska
4 103 Jaime Fields LB Washington
5 130 Lindsay Knapp T Notre Dame
6 159 Darius Turner - Washington
7 186 Danan Hughes WR Iowa
1992 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 Dale Carter CB Tennessee
2 40 Matt Blundin QB Virginia
4 101 Mike Evans DT Michigan
6 159 Tony Smith WR Notre Dame
7 186 Erick Anderson LB Michigan
8 213 Jim Jennings - San Diego State
9 244 Jay Leeuwenburg C Colorado
10 271 Jerry Ostroski G Tulsa
11 298 Doug Rigby - Wyoming
12 325 Corey Williams - Oklahoma State
Darren Mickell DE Florida
1991 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Harvey Williams RB Louisiana State
2 50 Joe Valerio T Pennsylvania
3 77 Tim Barnett WR Jackson State
5 133 Charles Mincy DB Washington
6 162 Darrell Malone DB Jacksonville State
7 189 Bernard Ellison CB Nevada-Reno
8 218 Tom Dohring T Michigan
9 244 Robbie Keen - California
10 273 Eric Ramsey - Auburn
11 300 Bobby Olive WR Ohio State
12 329 Ron Shipley - New Mexico
1990 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 13 Percy Snow LB Michigan State
2 40 Tim Grunhard C Notre Dame
4 96 Fred Jones WR Grambling State
5 124 Derrick Graham T Appalachian State
5 127 Ken Hackemack T Texas
6 152 Tom Sims NT Pittsburgh
7 180 David Szott G Penn State
9 235 Michael Owens - Syracuse
10 263 Craig Hudson TE Wisconsin
11 291 Ernest Thompson - Georgia Southern
12 318 Tony Jeffery - San Jose State
1989 – Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 4 Derrick Thomas LB Alabama
2 32 Mike Elkins QB Wake Forest
3 60 Naz Worthen WR North Carolina State
4 88 Stan Petry DB Texas Christian
6 143 Robb Thomas WR Oregon State
7 171 Ron Sancho - Louisiana State
8 199 Bryan Tobey - Grambling State
8 220 Todd McNair RB Temple
9 227 Jack Phillips - Alcorn State
10 255 Rob McGovern LB Holy Cross
11 283 Marcus Turner DB UCLA
12 311 Bill Jones RB Texas State

by mcclanahanman on Nov 25, 2010 9:26 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

What really killed me in going back and looking at these drafts...

Was seeing who was picked a few slots after we picked, Ed McCaffrey was taken a few slots after Tim Barnett. Look at all the tackles and quarterbacks Carl screwed up on. I imagine Elkins and Blundin might have actually had NFL Careers on different teams. It just blows my mind that someone might actually hand him a team someday. He can’t draft but he could bring in the free agents.

by mcclanahanman on Nov 25, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions

every GM hits on some and every GM whiffs on some

nature of the beast

by upamtn on Nov 25, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions

hell of it is look at his consistant whiffs

by mcclanahanman on Nov 25, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions

This brings back memories.

I remember that 90 draft thinking this is great. I was a Snow fan.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

by Helmets on Nov 25, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions

Giving up the fewest turnovers in the league is great. Being only +5 says they ought to create more turnovers, though.

But that’s why they’re DBs and not WRs, I guess…

Carl did hit on some FAs. He also whiffed on quite a few. Going after those FAs tightened the budget, and made it tougher to retain talent. Going after FAs was also a result of failing to pick players in the draft that they could successfully develop. He drafted two decent tackles while GM, and one of them couldn’t leave KC quickly enough.

I didn’t like the way they played favorites with stars, either. Neil Smith, whom they inherited, eventually left because the pie was too small to show HIM the respect he deserved. Ironically, he ended up going to a team that saved money and high picks for other-than-RB talent. Carl wasted a lot of picks on RBs, when he should’ve kept going after great linemen.

Basically, he squeezed too hard to build great teams on paper, without really taking into account the team aspects and football environment pieces. The current regime is a true meritocracy that cares more about how you practice than about your measurables. This is an underappreciated aspect of football, although everyone talks about how important preparation is. Not everybody knows the difference between practicing long and practicing smart. Improving yourself means a lot of boring things that you don’t LIKE to do, but must. It means practicing scales, when it’s a lot more fun to just play songs.

by hmills110 on Nov 25, 2010 10:22 AM CST reply actions

Thats how I feel..

and I like how you compared that to scales/songs. Im in the process of learning how to play the Piano right now so I’d like to add on to that..

Those boring things that you dont LIKE to do, are usually things to improve your mechanics. I know how to play a couple of different songs on the piano. I basically learned these through a combination of short cuts (note labels on keys, note labels on sheet music, repetition to the point of memorization) but my mechanics were horrible. My hands didnt necessarily flow from key to key, my fingers sure as hell were crossing all over the place. Now, I’m actually learning scales and how to move from key to key the proper way. And I dont even want to play script music. I listen to rap and R&B music, and the creation of a beat is interesting to me. Difficult to do when you can’t play a keyboard. So I’m learning..consider it a hobby I guess.

In relation to football, Bowe is a perfect football example of this. He took short cuts, didn’t work on his mechanics, got lazy, and ended up nowhere. Haley cracked him, got him to work hard, work on his mechanics, and now he’s been among the best of WR’s over the last 6 weeks. There’s no telling where his potential ends.

Another good example is Cassel. His mechanics arent the greatest. Releases the ball low, bad footwork and so on. Weis is working 1 thing at a time. Cassel’s drop back seems a bit more fluid (a result of better footwork) and he has less passes being batted down (a result of better release). Now I’m not saying everything is fixed, but when you work on your mechanics, you improve the overall result.

by Petey14 on Nov 25, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions