2009 NFL Draft Memories: Tyson Jackson vs. Aaron Curry
by Joel Thorman on Nov 24, 2010 8:58 AM CST
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PrintAh, the 2009 NFL draft. Certainly one the Kansas City Chiefs (and the rest of the NFL) probably want to forget. Leading up to the draft, there was definitely a large segment of Chiefs fans that were pushing for Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry. 'Good defenses have good pass rushers,' was the common thought process on that one.
We all know what happened. The Chiefs took DE Tyson Jackson with the third pick and the Seahawks took Curry with the fourth pick.
So was it the right move to pass on Curry? We'll let a couple of Seahawks fans from Field Gulls weigh in on the topic:
He didn't live up to his pick last year. This year he started out the same, but in the last couple of weeks he’s had some great flashes of what he should be. Hopefully he’ll be an elite LB sooner than later.
It looks like we’re trying to give him some more pass-rushing duties, letting him use his speed/strength to good use. He’s still learning (racking up a fair amount of encroachment/offsides penalties), but he may end up being a nice bookend to Clemons.
Translation: He hasn't lived up to the hype...yet.
For KC, passing on Curry was probably the best move (but doesn't necessarily mean the Jackson pick was the right move(. The Chiefs were set at outside inside linebacker in 2009 and 2010 -- Tamba Hali and Mike Vrabel Derrick Johnson, Jovan Belcher, Demorrio Williams and Corey Mays -- and Curry hasn't shown he was worth the gamble.
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Curry was going to play ILB in the 3-4
And I don’t think many thought of him as a passrusher, really.
You just don't hear about anyone in Seattle
Matt Hasselbeck said you just kinda disappear from nat’l media up there.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 24, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
Study is 6'3" and 248. Not that big of a difference....
I hate looking at just the height /weight and saying that he’s not suited for a position. His talent/abilities should tell you what he’s good at.
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
Curry
doesnt have close to the first step or the athletisim that Study does as an edge rusher.
by Raiderhater1 on Nov 24, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
BTW
that isnt a knock on Curry. He is just built different. He is not an edge rusher what so ever and might or might not have the build for a Run plugging ILB opposite of DJ.
by Raiderhater1 on Nov 24, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Studie might be listed as that
but having met the guy in person, he sure as hell seems bigger.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi.
Safe to say
KC was stuck between a rock and a hard place on this pick. Lets just hope Jackson progresses like Dorsey has. Main difference is that Dorsey always gave 100%, from some reports that isnt the case with Jackson. Lets hope Crennel can get to him!
Jackson played well for the first game
After then injury he got in that game he seems to have gone backwards a little bit. I think that he will turn in to a solid end, but will never live up to the hype that a 3rd overall pick. But at the same time, very little people from the 2009 draft will ever live up to their spot. It was a historically bad class.
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Weight
I have heard a few KC sports guys report that Jackson worked hard in the preseason but once the injury happened he looked like he gained some weight and didnt maintain through the injury process. Now that is to be expected but at the same time something is different with him from that game 1 to now…
by Raiderhater1 on Nov 24, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
He has a knee...
I think that MCL sprain has certainly caused Jackson to take a step back, though not intentionally.
I would expect him to struggle a little with weight if he’s gimpy. It’s just flat out hard to maintain your conditioning when you can’t run or use your legs effectively. Also, I would wager that he’s a little more tentative on the field trying to avoid re-injury or aggravation. Both of these factors may be contributing to his slowed progression and return to form.
I was impressed by his play in the Chargers game until he went down, and I expect him to eventually return to that form. It’s a total bummer that he got tweaked early on, this may have been a great year for him. I like Tyson, I want to see him succeed.
by Ochophosphate on Nov 24, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I didnt expect him to come out of that injury in great shape but he had to have not done some things to be where he is right now. Smith is playing good ball but you need a solid rotation on the DL to be successful and it seems that Crennel has chosen to play Jackson very little since coming back. I think that says more about where he is as a player rather than conditioning.
by Raiderhater1 on Nov 24, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Tyson started two weeks ago and got double the snaps as Shaun.
Last week, they split. This week, Shaun started, played the first two series, and it’s been a lot of Tyson since. I’m still finishing up the numbers, but Tyson was very good this week. Shaun wasn’t able to do some of the things he usually does at DE, but when Romeo eventually subbed him in at NT, it worked really well.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Yeah, I've thought TJax looked pretty good the last few weeks.
I think some people are still equating big #’s on the stat sheet with a 3-4 DE playing well.
TJax does look heavier, but he’s pretty strong and playing like it, at least I’ve thought.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
He does look a bit heavier and a shade slower than preseason/week 1.
But his anchoring has been really good lately. When he gets the double team, he’s been holding it right at the gap, forcing the wall that the RB has to go around. When he’s singled, he’s getting some push…not a lot, but enough to cause some disruption.
He’s nowhere near “there” yet, but he’s not the liability he was last year.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Nov 24, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Plan
I think that was the plan at the beggining of the year. Jackson starting, Smith sub for either Jackson or Edwards on first and second downs. Gilberry in on passing situations.
I think Smith is starting to wear down. He has played a lot, for a guy off the street, since Jackson went down.
by Raiderhater1 on Nov 24, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Completely agree
TJax was in his best shape in week one. That injury let him get out of shape. This may be something to look at next spring. But at the same time, I don’t think that people make it to game one out of shape on Todd Haley’s team.
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Should have been Brian Orakpo….with Vrabel jumping from ILB to OLB…
imagine Orakpo and Hali coming off the edge…we still don’t get enough pressure
Yes...
Hindsight 20/20, that would’ve been great. Although there weren’t many wanting Orakpo taken that high.
Only thing is, I think in that scenario Vrabel would be a roll player, which would he would be very good at.
He could play Nickle and sub in at both ILB and OLB.
I did!
Orakpo was a beast. Too many thought he was nothing but a workout warrior and couldn’t translate to the field.
Dear Haters, F@&Y% U!!! Love always, THE CHIEFS!
Love Orakpo
I think GMs tend to overthink things too much in the draft.
- QB
- People to protect the QB
- People to get after the other team’s QB.
If you don’t have one of those things, then the decision should be easy.
I still stand by my pick...
B.J. Raji… he would have solidified the center of our defense. Then we could have brought in John Henderson(removing him from the Raiders roster) and had Shaun Smith.
Granted we still would have needed a pass rusher, but I’m hoping we will see that from Cameron Sheffield(not putting eggs in that basket) next season.
Go Chiefs!!!!
by ravenhawk on Nov 24, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 24, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
As far as which would have been the better pick...
That’s very much still up for debate.
Ty Jackson is a part time DE right now, I would guess Curry would be starting next to DJ.
Would Curry be outperforming Belcher? I would guess, but who knows.
What we do know is Shaun Smith is outperforming Ty Jackson (unless you still believe the depth chart).
I'm still for taking Curry over Jackson...
But I’d have taken Orakpo over both of them…
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
But to be fair...
I’m only basing that off of what all 3 have become… I would have probably taken my chances on Curry. I think he would have made a good ILB next to DJ.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
Two years later, still nobody understands the Tyson Jackson pick
He wasn’t that great in college. Why did Pioli think he would be the cornerstone of the defense in the NFL?
I think part of it was that it was more of a safe pick compared to a boom or bust pick. He looked good at the beginning of the season before getting hurt. And if he does well he can be a corenerstone of the defense for years.
Plus he played next to Dorsey in college too.
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
by EyePod on Nov 24, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He was actually considered the best defensive 3/4 end
And we were transistioning to a new defense. He was projected mid to late 1rst, but we took him at 3rd out of need.
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I don't think he expeted him to become a cornerstone
by Joel Thorman on Nov 24, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Shouldn't a Top 3 Pick be a cornerstone?
That’s why that pick was such a headscratcher to begin with.
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 24, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't he compare him to the DE on the Cowboys
That didn’t put up big stats but was what made the whole rest of the defense work?
Sounds like a cornerstone to me.
3-4 DE
We were going to a 3-4 and had no 3-4 LDE on the roster. Any spot on the DL is a cornerstone in a 3-4.
He just wanted to draft a player that would contibute from day one… Swing and a miss so far. We will see how this pans out tho.
by Raiderhater1 on Nov 24, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
I am not so sure its a complete swing and miss...
maybe a bunt so far, and he hasnt reached first yet?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
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by Lanier63 on Nov 24, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
Yeah I only call it a swing and a miss for strike 2. Last year was a complete miss. Lets see what happens on his 3rd swing. Maybe he gets a home run like Dorsey did or maybe he get called out looking like Simms.
by Raiderhater1 on Nov 24, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
What came to mind when I saw the comments from Seattle fans was
it sounds like…..DJ. Maybe he needs better coaching? (aka second string)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
you know…in Orakpo’s senior year, he was ranked as a top 5 pick.
in fact, some of us were thinking he may not get to us…classic case over evalauting…the guy was a beast….powerful and fast….dominated in the big 12…
the chiefs needed a pass rushing attack…and they went with Jackson to fit their 3-4 mold….but I see Orakpo as a 15 sack per year guy…
Orakpo
When watching him play… He did not give 100% all the time. He took plays off at Texas. There is no way Pioli was going to draft a guy as an edge rusher at #3 that doesnt give 100% on every play. Sucks tho for us!
by Raiderhater1 on Nov 24, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't watch a lot of Texas games that year, but I've heard that about Orakpo a few times.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Orakpo would have been cool. But if we're gonna dream here, why not have Suh fall to #5? ;)
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
by rwalke10 on Nov 24, 2010 9:28 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Mobile reply fail ... 5 should have been 3
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
by rwalke10 on Nov 24, 2010 9:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Duuh. You are so correct. Should keep my mouth shut while I'm distracted!
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
by rwalke10 on Nov 24, 2010 2:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously? You guys are all over Rak, but nobody's said the obvious?
Give me Clay Matthews 8 days a week.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Does it matter?
He’s doing just fine without ’em now. =)
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Nov 24, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Was a less direct way of saying, "Character issues + Pioli / Haley's "right 53" m.o. probably =/= Clay Matthews.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
And mine was a less direct way of saying "I don't care, the guy's an impact player"
=)
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Nov 24, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Until he gets suspended and stages a monster of a comeback a la Cushing?
R-E-S-T-E-C-P! Find out what ya mean to me.. R-E-S-C-E-T-P! ... 10-6 motha@$#%!! You know how'ta spell it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6J_zw29RY (mild cursing. ahem.)
by ArrowSpread on Nov 24, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Innocent until proven guilty.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Nov 24, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Only a matter of time!
Dude’s GOTTA be juicin!
R-E-S-T-E-C-P! Find out what ya mean to me.. R-E-S-C-E-T-P! ... 10-6 motha@$#%!! You know how'ta spell it!
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by ArrowSpread on Nov 24, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
suh falling to 5 doesn’t make sense….the only team that past over suh is the rams….and that was for Sam Bradford…
its not about dreaming…its about passing over guys you could have had…2009 was a terrible draft…and we are 6-4…imagine if we had drafted smarter in 2009….the team would be just one more step closer to elite status.
I guess, you have to include Cassell and Vrabel in that draft…which has done us good….we all knew Jackson was a reach at the time…Michael Crabtree…or ya, I forgot about Clay Mathews….or MArk Sanchez…..some good ones that were passed over trying to fit a square peg into a round hole
Just curious how you see it as a square peg in a round hole?
We were switching to a 3-4 defense last year. We took the best available 3-4 DE who was projected for the first round (we just couldn’t trade down to take him lower, nobody wanted to spend the $$ with a pick that high).
I’m fine with discussing it being a reach or not, there’s plenty of ammo there. But square peg / round hole analogy?
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Should have taken
Orakpo or curry, what an awful decision I mean we have belcher starting
by Supersexy on Nov 24, 2010 9:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Belcher's fine.
He does what he’s supposed to as a run stuffing ILB.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Nov 24, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
For a UDFA he is playing damn well. I think he fits the bill of a run stuffing ILB to a T. He is only in his 2nd year as well. If he learns a few tricks to pass rushing and coverage, I think he can be a good play. Not star but you cant have 22 stars on a team. You have to be able to develop and find diamonds in the rough!
by Raiderhater1 on Nov 24, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
He's a good pass rusher.
Crennel loves to blitz him late, and he’s hit the QB quite a few times.
Most of my problems with Jovan relate to him finding the game speed from play #1. It always seems like it takes him 2-3 series before he’s shooting the gap with force. When he doesn’t have an offensive lineman breathing down his neck, he’s solid at filling the gap, standing up the lead blocker, and forcing the RB to choose another lane.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Yeah
I do love his “Hit u in the mouth” attitude. That is what you need at him ILB position. DJ is playing more of the flow and go ILB slot. I think Belcher is doing just fine!
by Raiderhater1 on Nov 24, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, man...
Belch is playing really well on the inside
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
T Jax is overpaid but was the right decision
We needed a true 3-4 DE and with all the teams switching to 3-4 defenses, we weren’t going to get a good one through FA.
I’d rather pay a big-ugly top 5 money than an ILB. ILBs are the RBs of defense, you can usually get a talented one later in the draft or as a UDFA.
Orakpo had questionable effert on some plays in college and seemed to be limited in his repertoire of rush moves. Crabtree was/is such a diva he’d be more of a headache than he’s worth (remember his protracted holdout). Sanchez has proved to be a good QB but had the classic warning signs of QB failure: good for one year and left after his junior season. Mathews has been a beast but also had some question marks coming out of college.
Last year was a crappy draft class and we took the most relibale player that would immediately contribute. T Jax is overpaid right now, but Pioli could restructure that contract at pretty much any point; it’s not like any other team is going to pay T Jax what he’s making now. His next contract will be more in line with his actual value.
Coulda been Sanchez
I don’t comment on this site for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it. I comment for the people that have always believed in me. I comment for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that.
I was waiting for it.
Figured it was too easy to pass up for you.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Nov 24, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
At least he said "coulda"...instead of "shoulda".
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
"Shoulda" haha
Traded our 3rd overall pick for the 23rd overall (somewhere around there), with another 3rd or 4th rounder attached. Maybe even some conditional pick based on performance. Pioli did a lot of wheeling and dealing in NE, would have been a good situation to try and pull something. WIth the hope of course of still being able to grab Jackson.
Had to pull the Shoulda after the Coulda!
I bet he tried
There were several problems with pulling off a trade down. With the current scheme of rookie contracts, it’s more of a punishment to pick in the top 5 (or even top 10). Right now we are paying Berry more money than any other safety in the league and if he plays well, he’ll get paid even more in his next contract. While Berry is promising, that’s not a good situation for a team to be in. So no team wants to trade into the top 5 so they can get bogged down in contracts. The other things was that last year was a terrible draft class. Why would anybody in their right mind want ot trade up into the top 5 and be obligated to overpay a player who likely wasn’t worth it?
by Chiefs4Life on Nov 24, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't have taken Sanchez either.
And I’d look silly because he’s playing well, but he had the signs of classic QB failure coming out of college. He was a solid starter for all of about one year, left college after his junior season, and was supported by a very talented team – similar warning signs to Jamarcus Russell. Had I been in Pioli’s shoes, I’d have gone with trading a second round pick for two starters, one of whom had proven he could play QB in the pros, and used the 1st round pick on a reach to bring in a guy that looked to be an immediate starter and one of few true 3-4 DEs we had a chance to grab last year. Not a sexy pick but a solid, safe move for trying to rebuild a team that was a disaster.
by Chiefs4Life on Nov 24, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Woulda, Cudda, Shudda...
I was positive we needed a QB that draft. Unfortunately the two best after Stafford were Sanchez who has been OK but is still very much protected and given a very short leash in NY. He benefits from a great O-line , RBs and WRs. His QB rating is only 82.8. His main positive over Cassel is ability to move in pocket and extend play. The other QB available was Freeman who has QB rating of 92.0. Very near Cassel’s numbers with his main asset being hard to sack and able to extend play.
Either of these would have been comparable to Cassel. We would not have had Vrable or JAckson but we would have had a 2nd round pick that year. ( Slim pickings in 2nd round) If we had 1st round choice again it would be between Jackson, Mathews, Curry or Cushing. If we had not taken T-Jax then we would have had to take a DE in 2010. Who would we have to give up from 2010 class? Berry? McCluster?
I actually like what we ended up with and would prefer to go on instead of dwelling in past.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Still not a believer.
I think it’ll take me years to get on the Sanchez train…I just don’t think he’s that good.
I AM willing to be wrong (and I know Jet fans, USC fans, and you think I am). But right now (ever?) I just don’t see Sanch as a franchise.
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-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 24, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
DJ and Curry in the middle would look really good, considering tyson jackson is pretty much a ghost when hes on the field.
Not true.
Jackson’s doing his job, grabbing double teams, anchoring the gap, and getting some push on singles. Teams don’t run at our strong side because he, Vrabel, and Shaun Smith have been incredible difficult to run against.
He’s a LDE. He’s not going to get sacks, and he doesn’t play the “penetration” role…that’s Dorsey. His job is to make the linebacker’s job easier.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Nov 24, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Since we're playing the "Woulda,Coulda" game, here's one vote for Oher..
Locks down the line, and I can sleep better paying an OT that kind of money then a DE.
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by severn58 on Nov 24, 2010 11:17 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Screw Orakpo or Oher I wish we would've drafted Raji
I know, he had those “Character Concerns” but the guy is ballin in GB. I’d even say he’s been one of the best NTs in the league up to this point. Imagine Dorsey, Raji and a Combination of Smith and Edwards at DE 
Suffice to say we’d have our DL locked up for quite awhile.
Wake up and slow down
On the kool aid belcher isn’t very good, I like him but he’s not a starter
by Supersexy on Nov 24, 2010 12:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
He definitely is a starter
Because he starts for our team of course. What would you rather have Mays starting?
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by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 24, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
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