When Winning Isn't Enough
by Aiken_Drum on Nov 2, 2010 9:46 PM CDT
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How many times have we heard it? Most recently it's the fact that the Chiefs only won 10 games in the last three years. In a bigger picture, Kansas City hasn't won a playoff game since Jan. 16th 1994. That, my friends, is sixteen years ago. That is long enough to have had a child, watch them go through all the primary grades, and junior high, get them some Drivers Ed and a license and turn them loose with a family car.
The Chiefs have lost their last six playoff appearances. That ties a record. One more playoff loss and KC owns the record all by themselves. What's worse, since their Super Bowl in in 1970, the Chiefs have won only 3 of 17 playoff tries. Two of those were credited to Joe Montana (so they don't really count, right?). All three games were extremely close: one win by eight points (Montana vs. Houston), one by four points (DeBerg vs. LA Raiders) and one three point squeaker (Montana vs. Pittsburg). In the 40 years since Hank Stram had the Chiefs "matriculating the ball down the field", the Chiefs have mustered one playoff win with a QB that wasn't Joe Montana, and have won the AFC West division a mere four times.
To say that the Chiefs aren't relevant in the NFL is a colossal understatement. Not only are they not relevant, for most players, coaches, pundits, reporters, coaches and fans the Chiefs are a speck on a flea on the dog known as the NFL. This is why, for many fans at least, winning is not enough.
via cjonline.com
Great defenses, Martyball and Dick Vermeil not withstanding, the last 40 years have been one long underwhelming performance after another. Chiefs fans are some of the most skeptical anywhere. I think that this 40 year record is why. When you build a legacy of losing like the Chiefs have, it's hard to believe it when you have a winner. Let me restate that. It is nearly impossible to believe you have a winner. Winning isn't enough. Many fans simply won't trust the Chiefs until that big win is salted, cured, packed and stored for the harsh winters ahead.
It is this attitude, IMO, that is the basis for all the back seat driving that consistently goes on with the fans. Every fan out there will take a 5-2 record. Who wouldn't? This team is 5-2 and has a one and a half game lead on the Raiders in Week 8. I don't know how long it has been since KC was leading the division come Week 8 but no matter. I submit that they could be a perfect 7-0 right now and have a three game lead in the division and the doubts, second guessing and Monday morning quarterbacking would continue in full force simply because these fans have seen it all before. They have been here before and they are afraid. Afraid of what happens when you let your guard down and believe in something only to have it snatched away from you when true adversity rears it's ugly head.
This is why these fans are critical -- of nearly everything, including the wins themselves. It's why they are critical of Matt Cassel. Until he repeatedly throws for three or four TDs a game and beats opponents with his arm in commanding fashion, he is a pretender. Forget the over 100 passes without an interception. Ha! they say, who cares? Has he set new records for TDs or passing yards? Does he glow when he steps on the field from divine intervention? Forget the fact that he has the highest rating of his career as a starter at 90.4, he hasn't done it yet, so what good is he?
Look what it took to silence these fans on the running game. Thank goodness for Scott Pioli and Thomas Jones! By adding TJ to Jamaal Charles in the backfield and moderately upgrading our offensive line, we now have arguably the strongest running back tandem in the league. They sure are performing like it. The duo ran for 250+ against the Bills. Not much nay saying is currently going on concerning our running game, but not all that long ago it was all the rage to discuss Jamaal Charles becoming upset and leaving the Chiefs because Jones was listed as number one on the depth chart. When does the negative viewpoint go beyond the pale? This was pretty close if it didn't.
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Then of course, there is the coach. I think that many of these fans are currently convinced that Todd Haley has more than one screw loose. Can this guy tell the difference between first down and fourth down? They seem to be the same to him. He runs the same plays, refuses to take field goals and punts instead of kicking for the obvious points. Some might liken this part of Haley's game plan to a game of spin the bottle, where Haley chooses the one that the bottle points to when it stops spinning. On top of all of this, his fashion sense is, shall we say, challenged?
If you add all this up, these fans must be absolutely beside themselves when they look at the record. 5-2? How did that happen? Here is the mantra for how they see the Chiefs season so far. We got lucky on the Monday night game, after all it was a monsoon, the Chargers wore the wrong cleats and Phyllis was having a bad hair day. Cleveland was pure luck. Crazy Haley went for it on fourth down and made it (his luck will run out) to hold on for the win. The 49ers hadn't won a game prior to playing us and their record since shows a measly two wins. Obviously they are terrible and we should have beaten them. Big deal. The fact that we did is no endorsement to this team. The Colts and Texans now, there is the REAL story. These are good teams that we simply cannot beat (holding Mr. football out of the endzone in his own house through the air was just more unexplainable dumb luck). This is what will happen should we make the playoffs.
Once again the Chiefs got extremely lucky when the Jags came to town. They had to go look for a QB in a corn field because all of theirs were hurt. We should have murdered a team like that and we did -- big deal. Buffalo? More evidence that we just aren't a good team. A good team would have buried those Bills. The Chiefs barely survived. How can you possibly believe in that?
I want to believe so I do. Others decidedly do not. Sam Mellinger writes an article wherein he describes the best way to put the final nail in our quarterback's coffin.
Is this how we want the world at large to see how we support our team? By laying in waiting with the express purpose of "crushing" our QB when he fails to complete a final drive? Not me. By the way Mr. Mellinger, don't you find it ironic that you mention this just as Matt Cassel completes one of these drives for a final score that you think he is incapable of accomplishing?
It's not how we support our team. I understand all the detractors. I understand their motivations and fears. Sometimes though, you have to be brave. Look through that bias and really see what is before you. I believe that we make our own destiny. Somehow, the Chiefs have won five games this year in their first seven played. It is becoming apparent that what is happening is more than coincidence.
Haley says the group is learning to become a team. I have witnessed this in other venues and I am inclined to think he is correct. Going for it on fourth down IS a vote of confidence to the team. If he didn't have faith in their ability to handle the consequences regardless of the outcome, he wouldn't make these calls. This is not just an inexperienced coach trying something outrageous to win a couple that we shouldn't. This is part of building a team.
Whatever the case, the teams that have to face us are hearing it loud and clear and you know what? So far, we have five beautiful Ws to show for that belief. You can say what you want about the way those wins were attained, but once you clear away all the junk, those wins remain. It's like a deposit that this team has put in the bank as a promise of what is to come. At some point skepticism begins to give way to belief. At some point, the reality of what is happening becomes undeniable.
The Buffalo game was a milestone in this team's development. You can look at it as a skimpy win, or you can see it for what it was. It was the team enforcing it's will on another. The Chiefs used everything available (including the now controversial calling time out as the opposing kicker is trying to get one through the uprights -- way to go Haley!) and came out with a win. How many times in the past several years has it gone the other way? You know the answer. This was not just another in a long line of losses that we as fans may have expected. This one was a W. It's not luck, it's not hallucination and it is not some dream created in clouds of fairy dust (I have been accused of spreading that stuff you know).
No, this season is the beginning. Things are different. The team is gaining time to come together. The Buffalo game was the team playing for each other as much as for the fans. I also think that they were playing for coach Haley. Playing to win for Haley because he has shown by his actions that he believes in them.
Cassel played well, The defense played well. The running game did extremely well. Special teams played well. Mostly, they didn't beat themselves. That is really the first step in becoming good. Once you learn how not to beat yourself, mistakes become the exception and not the rule. Pretty soon, winning becomes a habit. Once the fans notice the habit, things will change and one of my fondest dreams will come true.
Winning will finally, joyously, be enough.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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The Chiefs were very relevent at times in the 90's and the 00's
The playoffs are a damn crapshoot and we all know it. More of the we have to have that Franchise QB crap (like Montana). the issue is Lady Luck has not smiled on us dumb hicks in the fly over country for years an years.
Just try to STOP US
I totally agree with Steve on this
and we were relevent enough in 2003 to make the cover of SI just for being 9-0 (which of course promptly jinxed us)
bottom line, Aiken … just because we haven’t “won the big ones” since before your great-grandchild was born doesn’t mean we haven’t had some golden moments in the sun
and last time I checked, Montana was indeed wearing a Chiefs uniform when we won those playoff games in the 90s … therefore, it does indeed count
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by upamtn on Nov 2, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But are you happy with it?
Was it enough during the Peterson era that we had a bunch of winning seasons, one of the longest sellout streaks, and made a few playoff appearances?
At the time, for me, it was. Looking back now, it’s not. I was there to taste that bitter defeat handed us by the Colts at Arrowhead on a very cold January day when we couldn’t buy a stop and Gonzo didn’t make the catch.
I’m sorry, but I’m sick of being not quite good enough. I’m sick of being ridiculed by opposing team’s fans because I’m a fan of the Chiefs. I love this team. I love the energy at Arrowhead Stadium on gameday. I proudly wear red and gold nearly every day of the year because I love this team that my grandfather introduced me to.
At the end, I don’t want to see us just win some regular season games. I want to see us win playoff games. I want to see us win a Super Bowl. Then I want to see us win another. I believe we are headed in the right direction. I love the success we are having in what should be another rebuilding year. And I look forward to NEXT year too.
Dear Haters, F@&Y% U!!! Love always, THE CHIEFS!
Total Crap
Chiefs fans are some of the most skeptical anywhere.
We are the most loyal fans known to the NFL. Why else would we sell out a stadium for a million years in a row to see a loser :(
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2010 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Steve I usually agree with you
However with as many fan posts, articles as comments you have read and posted yourself.
You should know that indeed, Kansas City Chiefs fans are the most loyal and skeptical fans around.
Being skeptical doesn’t mean you are not loyal, it is after all the show-me-state.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Nov 3, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Saying Show-Me Since January 11, 1970
This combined with a skepticism rooted like a farmer’s hopeful distrust of midwestern weather may suggest we account for the things that can and cannot be relied upon. On a good day the best we may hope for is an owner, a staff, and a team galvanized in a single direction and built to last. All other factors are largely caprice. Martyball filled the bill but wasn’t sexy enough to be invited to the big dance. We had a couple of opportunities, but Marty fumbled a few key decisions, Grbac versus Gannon being a particularly painful example. Vermeil was an entertaining time, but not really something that was as sustainable as Martyball. The Greatest Show on Turf since the days of Coryell always seems to pack up the tents after a couple of good years, and resurface in another town. What is exciting to me is that we have Martyball again, but with the panache not of a gambler, but a strategist. Fourth down calls are a mark of desperation if 1) you are losing, 2) you have a losing record, or 3) a coach is on the hot seat. All of them come from a short-term one-season viewpoint. None of these are the case for the Chiefs. What we have is very different. We have a long-term outlook. We have a mentality that is willing to throw a few games away this year IF the lessons learned will win us two or more in the outyears. What we have is not only Martyball with more BALLS, but Martyball with more balls and a strategic brain. We aren’t used to this. We’ve been conditioned. To want it now. But for me, this is foreplay and a promise of things to come. Enjoy it for what it is and allow the expectations to rise slowly with anticipation. Be patient. Hell, enjoy the losses and look for the learning. After watching, waiting, and chanting the Show-Me mantra for forty years this feels like the real thing (I think). Show me! Go Chiefs!
by Stykman81 on Nov 3, 2010 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd. Should be required reading for everyone before you post.
That’s one thing that gets me. Everyone wants to WIN RIGHT FRIGGIN NOW!. Forget about building a dynasty, one brick at a time. Methodically laying a foundation, one brick at a time. Every player researched and examined. And then researched and examined again. Every decision this team has done with our new administration has been based on how it helps us in the long term.
No, we’d rather jeopardize out longterm viability by jumping for problem free agents. Draft the best talent out there every season, irregardless of character and drive, ignoring the fact that Dallas, Washington, and OMG the Vikings haven’t been able to make it work. Blast Pioli for terrible draft picks that are absolutely STUPID! They’ll NEVER work out! McClus … WHO? Asa … WHA? Moeaki? WTF!! Is that a Hawaiian drink? We’re not going to win even 3 games this year. Wha …. oh. Nevermind. BUT I’m still right!
I’m sorry, but you DO NOT have to drink the KoolAid to see what’s going on here. KoolAid is consumed to help one to continue the faith when there is NO REASON to. Kool Aid is pure hope. In our case, we have instance after instance that progress is being made. Foundation bricks are falling into line, mortar packed and solid. Obviously, not all pieces are in place at the moment. They may never be. Players are the fuel in this engine, and fuel burns out over time, causing it to be replenished.
Fourth down calls are a mark of desperation if 1) you are losing, 2) you have a losing record, or 3) a coach is on the hot seat. All of them come from a short-term one-season viewpoint. None of these are the case for the Chiefs. What we have is very different. We have a long-term outlook. We have a mentality that is willing to throw a few games away this year IF the lessons learned will win us two or more in the outyears.
Thank you for that. Everything is geared for the longterm growth. Dynasty in the making. You don’t buy trees. You plant seeds, and prune carefully each year.
Oh and Aiken. You come up with some great ideas amigo! Keep them coming! Rec’d. I love the stuff you write, but I don’t think it’s laced with KoolAid anymore — rather full of vitamin rich FACTS!
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
by rwalke10 on Nov 5, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What has loyalty to do with skepticism?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
by Aiken_Drum on Nov 2, 2010 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
everything
you, Mr Pixie Dust, should know that … and what’s wrong with being skeptical? what’s wrong with being BOTH loyal AND skeptical?
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
then why the post on how horrible it is to be skeptical?
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award (I'd like to thank my producer, my director, all of my wonderful fans ... )
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You said it was horrible, not me.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
by Aiken_Drum on Nov 2, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you spent 3 months writing this diatribe to convince us we SHOULDN'T be skeptical
… why?
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award (I'd like to thank my producer, my director, all of my wonderful fans ... )
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
why?
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award (I'd like to thank my producer, my director, all of my wonderful fans ... )
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Poor choice of words
I don’t care how skeptical you are.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
awesome!
and THANK YOU for NOT mentioning the Randy Moss Who Must not Be Mentioned
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award (I'd like to thank my producer, my director, all of my wonderful fans ... )
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
So which is it?
you think he shouldn’t be skeptical or you don’t care if he’s skeptical? That’s more than poor word choices, those are complete opposites…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNm2rFzdvW8&feature=related
In no way way are those complete opposites
The opposite of the first one is he thinks you should be skeptical, not that he doesn’t care whether you are
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Nov 3, 2010 5:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But who are you to tell us how we should be?
If you think Cassel is great and I don’t….fine…lets discuss it…try to convince the other to change. Get mad at each other and then make up. Why does it need to be “you’re wrong for having any opinion I consider critical”?
You’re wrong for telling us that we have to approach this the way you are choosing to. We’re not you. Let us be us,.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
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by KC_Satchmo on Nov 2, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Satch, let Aiken be Aiken ...
you know he has that addiciton (Koolaid) and remember when we took him to the psychologist and were told there was no hope and … well anyway, just let him sprinkle his dust (we know it’s nothing more than unmixed Koolaid anyway)
Aiken is harmless … it’s Steve you need to watch (he has a thing for goats, so I hear)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award (I'd like to thank my producer, my director, all of my wonderful fans ... )
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I like Aiken and his rose colored glasses
I don’t like being told how to think. If I say that Cassel sucked it up in OT and made some good throw to help us win a game…then it’s fine for me to have an opinion because it fits the world view of those who like Cassel.
If I say that he was lucky he didn’t have 3 picks this week because he made some crappy decisions to throw into double coverage while there were open recievers in the middle of the field, then suddenly it’s you have that opinion because you’re afraid of success so stop having opinions.
I have a beautifully written post above telling me that it’s only ok to have an opinion if it happens to agree with the poster. He’s not telling people that their opinion is wrong and here’s why. He’s telling them it’s wrong to have an opinion.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
no, he's NOT telling people not to have an opinion ...
… he’s telling people we have a much better team than we used to, the whole rose colored thing, goes with the dust and koolaid
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award (I'd like to thank my producer, my director, all of my wonderful fans ... )
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Sure he is
the whole premise of the post is to stop being critical and just believe. He calls Mellinger “despicable” for having the opinion that Cassel may cost the team some games. Mellinger, by the way, was trying to make the point that we should give Cassel a break until (when/if) he costs us a game or three.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
Haley will cost us a game or two
Cassel is not allowed to lose a game and is also not allowed to win us a game. That is what 63 million dollars does, you do what you are told. As long as the coaches want Cassel to play error free we will have no errors and Cassel will look like Cassel. Cassel didn’t look like this in New England.
Back to point Aiken was saying we cannot look a gift horse in the mouth and say thanks, we are Chiefs Fans :)
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I will say it for the millionth time
Cassel does as Weis does. Good play call or bad play call, he isn’t going to stray from the beaten path. However, I believe as the season wears on and Weis feels his rebuilding project is close to completion, the reigns will loosen.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 2, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm positive he wasn't told to throw into double coverage on Sunday
The guy makes bad plays sometimes. It’s ok to say it. It doesn’t make you a bad fan.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
I agree. Said the same thing myself when he made the pass.
That doesn’t mean that he is useless because he made a bad throw. Both extremes have consequences it would appear.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Here's the thing
At no time have I called him useless. Well…there was an open thred where a guy was making personal attacks against folks so I called Cassel names just to get under his skin….but I digress.
The problem is that people who point out anything negative about Cassel with any frequency at all you’re classified a “hater”…you’re “blinded by your hate” you’re pigeon holed into an extreme that doesn’t has nothing to do with what was actually said.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
Bull shit
I expressly stated in another post that I don’t like the hater and apologist tags. So now you want to lump me in with that group? Pot, meet kettle.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Again
I did not say that YOU do this. I don’t even bother to have this conversation with you if you were that much of a dick.
No idea why you’re looking for a fight with me….
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
Not looking for a fight
You were the one who came here and asked me who I was to “tell” you not to have an opinion. Then you admit that you were pointing out the extreme and knew that this was not my intent. Can you see how to me, you were being a jerk? I was just minding my own business making a post and wammo! Satch throws a bomb. Do as you will. I didn’t seek you out.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Stop
If you reread every post.
Satch was just challenging the assertions.
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
A post is a thought
to see what others think of the thought and to add to the knowledge of the poster.
I write to learn more or to give knowledge as I see it. That is a post
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
What is that, in the corner of that field, holding up that wire?
That is a post
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 2, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn I thought we carried that to Harpos
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
All the way from Lincoln?
oh wait…sorry
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 2, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Wipe that sand out of your vagina
You were not minding your own business. You were posting a long diatribe on an open forum. In this diatribe you use the follwoing:
“that is the basis for all the back seat driving that consistently goes on with the fans”
“This is why these fans are critical—of nearly everything”
" It’s why they are critical of Cassel."
“have been here before and they are afraid.”
“I understand their motivations and fears”
" Afraid of what happens when you let your guard down and believe in something"
“To me, this is despicable. It’s not how we support our team”
You wrote a post telling folks they are only critical because they are afriad to see things as you do and you’re wondering why I find it a tad condescending? Give me a break.
You’re a great guy as long as people are kissing your ass. The moment someone points out that your soap box may be in a glass house you start calling them names.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
and so now I have a vagina?
Nice way to talk. You are the jerk and I get chastised. Go figure.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Your toilet must smell wonderful considering you obviously shit roses
You called me a jerk…so I return fire and point out your sandy vagina. You write a post criticizing people for being critical. Then you frak out when someone criticizes you for it.
Calm down. You started the name calling. I now understand why you don’t want to be critical of anything. You’re shitty at taking even the most minor of criticsms yourself.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
No problem satch
I understand. My post pissed you off because you just saw criticism of yourself there and couldn’t accept the truth of it. It’s all good.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
I'm not the one who's pissed off
There you go being condescending again. You’re in my head telling me how I feel and why I feel it.
Wait…you’re right…I’m just afraid to be like you.
C’mon man. I already admitted my part in this. I took an extreme to prove a point. Now accept yours…you turned in to a defensive, name calling chick the moment you got anything other than “great post rec’d!!!!!”
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I had a lot of respect for Satch before this thread.
Bad day maybe?
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Satch, to be fair
He didn’t necessarily call you a jerk. Yes, he used that word, but his exact phrasing was,
“Can you see how to me, you were being a jerk?”
That sounds like the statement of a guy trying to be understood, not attack, and it’s not even in the same class as telling someone they have sand in their vagina.
That’s an honest opinion from someone who can see both sides. You don’t like being told what your motivations are because it’s condescending, right? I agree! However, you overreacted to what he said. He wasn’t saying, “you’re a jerk”, he was asking you if you could see why he might think that.
Please don’t chomp my head off or think I’m being a buttinski (which I am), but you misunderstood him.
Of course, things have escalated since then… so maybe it’s a moot point.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Don't try to use that logic on a women MN...
I once made the mistake of saying to a woman, “you’re acting like a bitch”… BIG MISTAKE…
Hey...How'd everyone get in my room?
Yeah, That doesn't work on my wife...
“honey, I’m not saying YOU’RE crazy, I’m asking you if you can see why I think you may be ACTING crazy!”
(SMACK!)
“Ok, never mind. I’m sorry?”
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
now THAT'S funny
I don’t care what planet you’re from, that’s a hoot
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Narg
Satch,
I have been reading the comments to the various posts for years here, and you manage to come off as one of the biggest asses I have ever had the displeasure to come across. I am positive that you are the one person on the road that makes me think that hood mounted weapons are a good idea.
Drop your case of the ass every once and a while. You will have a much better life if you choose not to be the big grey dick in the room with every post you make.
Until next time,
Zif.
by Zif on Nov 3, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Irregardless of this thread ... Rec'd
I am positive that you are the one person on the road that makes me think that hood mounted weapons are a good idea.
That’s funny, I don’t care who you are!
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
Do you know what an “apologist” is? It’s a perfect description of a person who defends Cassel.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
And if I don't agree with you
that defending Matt Cassel makes one an apologist, what then?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Here, I’ll give you the definition from Merriam-Webster.
: one who speaks or writes in defense of someone or something
If you don’t understand that to defend something is to be an apologist then you don’t understand the word.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
There are other definitions
I choose the one I want to use and you choose yours. We will not agree on this. I am ok with it. Apparently you are the one who cannot let this go. This goes way back to another post that I wrote some time ago and you are still on this like a dog on scent. I let it go long ago.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
I’m asking for your definition since, apparently, it’s completely different than the one from the dictionary.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
I think apologist carries
a negative connotation. Apologizing is associated with fault or shame.
Not saying you meant that connotation, but I do think it exists.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 3, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. I understand that it does. The whole point of this discussion is that the connotation is wrong. An apologist is not one who apologizes for the mistakes of others or the result of something else. It is a person who defends someone or something. There is a HUGE difference so to be offended that someone calls you an apologist is to not understand the word.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
This is incorrect if you assume
that the word is indeed being used to imply that this is exactly what you are doing. In most cases when it is used in these threads it seems to me that this is what is happening.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
And you brought it back up with your comments so apparently you’re not over it.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
I guess I thought this is where it was brought up.
Bull shit
I expressly stated in another post that I don’t like the hater and apologist tags. So now you want to lump me in with that group? Pot, meet kettle.
“You gonna pull them pistols…or whistle Dixie?”
by Aiken_Drum on Nov 2, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
OK, once and for all
To apologize is to acknowledge faults, shortcomings or failings. Discussing Matt Cassel’s abilities and whether or not he has had proper circumstances to show what he can do is not acknowledging his faults, shortcomings or failings. This is what the apologist tag means to me.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Anyways, I’m not that worked up about the issue I just think that it’s an appropriate label if you actually understand what it means.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Do you understand how implying
that someone does not understand the meaning of words and how they are used in conversation is insulting? I do get somewhat worked up about elitist attitudes.
OF COURSE I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU ARE BEING ELITIST. See how that works?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Do you think I care that you’re insulted? You obviously don’t comprehend that people are not apologizing for Cassel’s play. They are justifying or excusing it by saying he needs more time to develop, better receivers, etc. If they were saying “Cassel played so poorly this weekend, I’m really sorry for that guys” then referring to them as an “apologist” would not be appropriate. But since they are, instead, defending the man it is absolutely appropriate.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
That doesn't really take into account
the way that words can sometimes grow and change in certain places (think lingo rather than language).
The word “apologist” has definitely been used (albeit incorrectly if one goes by the actual meaning of the word) as an insult here on AP multiple times.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
If you don't care that I am insulted
then there is no reason to continue the conversation.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
and BTW
Who said I was insulted? I merely asked if you could understand how what you did could be considered insulting. It would seem to me that someone who was as devoted to clarity and education as your words have indicated that you are, would be very careful about reading the written word so that you have a clear and appropriate understanding of what was written when you attempt to to make an response. Comprehension of the written word can be difficult. If you take your time in the future, you will improve.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Labeling people
never improves a discussion. Quite the opposite. It turns off the desire to speak (or write in this case). Do you want to know what people think or do you just want them to STFU and think like you?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
You think people’s desire to comment is turned off by someone calling them a hater or an apologist? You haven’t been following these discussions much, then.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Didn't you say in a comment awhile back...
is general area?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Fail
What I MEANT to ask was this…
DIdn’t you comment awhile back (when I asked you about why you defended H2E) that a lot of commenters and members had left after being attacked a lot?
Wouldn’t that fall into the “the desire to comment was turned off by others” area? Or am I off base?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Is there a difference between continually calling people idiots and saying that all they do is talk shit on the organization and blah blah blah and referring to someone as a “hater” or an "apologist in a discussion?
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Not in the result that you have
now made it clear to the person that you are talking to that you are not in agreement with their position.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Well...
You’re comparing extremes right now.
If you’re going to talk about “continually calling people idiots” then it’s only fair to compare it to continually calling someone a hater, not merely bringing it up during discussion.
If someone is called a hater constantly is that any different from being called an idiot consistently?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
It's an old tactic MN
He is trying to use logic to prove my premise is wrong and therefore my entire post is wrong because it is based on a faulty premise. The problem with that line of thinking is the it doesn’t change the reality that words mean different things to different people. Trying to pidgeon hole a post by using a black and white argument about the definition of the word apologize is like Bill Clinton saying “It depends on what your definition of the word is, is”. It is ridiculous to the extreme.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
You’re fighting PV’s straw army here. I never once referred to your post.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Straw army. I like that :)
Excellent phrase. It’s stronger than a straw man… but still straw.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
The straw army is not mine
I just point them out…and there have been hundreds of them born on AP in the last few weeks.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I have the problem
That a team has to have a leader.
Maybe Cassel is not the ultimate leader but he stays on the field, he makes plays that he can, and he has never publically said anything negative about his team or teammates. He is not anyone other than himself working hard to do what he has been tasked to do as the Chiefs QB.
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He does
but what QB doesn’t? I just wish before people come on AP and start tearing him down, they’d apply the critical thinking they do to Cassel to their own lives. He’s human.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 2, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
So because you or I make mistakes in our own lives
we can’t point out that Cassel makes some on gameday?
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Not saying that
I’ll even say, “damn, I wish he’d have hit him, he was wide open.” But, I won’t come on here with the attitude of, “my god, he sucks…my grandma coulda made that throw…kick his ass to the curb…where’s Ryan Leaf?” Some people are just hateful and dwell on one negative as opposed to the ten positives.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 2, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
yes they do
but it is what AP is for, it is how you ignore or disagree that can end up the problem
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I ignore usually
but I’m not above calling someone an idiot. Though I’m sure some of my comments look retarded at times too.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 2, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
it's spelled retarted
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It's AP-ese actually
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It's actually
Anne Retart – ese.
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i think he is critical of Mellinger
Because Mellinger wrote that some day Matt Cassel would have to make throws to win us a game, right after Matt Cassel made several throws and enabled us to win a game.
I still don’t know what the hell Mellinger was thinking
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by PVChiefsfan on Nov 3, 2010 5:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with your point about Mellinger
As far as his point was taken out of context.
But where did Aiken use the word despicable? Did I miss that?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
MN
If Mellinger was trying to give Cassel a break, why does he mention crushing him. I can see what you are saying and maybe you are right, but given how critical Mellinger has been of Cassel the former seems more likely to me.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Yeah, I suppose it's more of a judgement call
Given his wording, it sounded more like he was defending Cassel to me.
He’s basically telling those who are currently crushing him to at least wait until he loses us a game. That’s how I read it.
But interpretation can be very subjective…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
In addition
I have no problem with being critical of the Chiefs. I was extremely critical of Herm and still am. What I do have trouble with it the “crushing” as Mellinger puts it of a player who has given us no reason to want to do that to him. Cassel may not be a HOFer but he sure ain’t Ingle Martin either.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Then I did something wrong.
My point was not to tell anyone not to have an opinion. It was to provide a possible answer to why those opiinions are diametrically opposed to mine. I assume as a Chiefs fan you hold very similar opinions to mine concerning the Chiefs winning a Superbowl. Therefore, to me there is some reason that you do not express that opinion. That was the sum total of my idea. Somehow though, I have now created an idea that it is not ok for anyone else to have an opinion. That was not what I wanted to say.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
I know that wasn't really your intent bro
I’m showing you the extreme view so that maybe you can see that we’re on safer ground if we stick to debating the points rather than the validity of our individual frames of refernce.
In my world, it’s ok to say Cassel or Haley or Pioli or whomever has both good traits and flaws. I have no need to live in absolutes. It’s November…everything is grey. If people don’t want to just believe, there’s nothing wrong with that and they don’t need to be convinced that there is. If they want to see everything as negative, that’s their problem…not ours.
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- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
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- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
Damn
I thought in America I had to be told how to think
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I cannot change my frame of reference
simply because others don’t share it. My frame of reference is built on what I see. I trust what I see. That validity is mine. I won’t apologize for what I believe. I will apologize for unintended consequences to others though.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Not asking you to change your frame of refernce
Just suggesting that a good post would have been much better if had been about why you have that point of view rather than trying to tell others why they don’t.
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- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
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- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
by KC_Satchmo on Nov 2, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then write that post
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Nov 3, 2010 5:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's
one of the biggest points here.
Too often everything has to be an argument. Trying to change other people’s minds or influence what they think.
I don’t know that someone can just post what they think and why they think it and have it be left alone. Someone else will inevitably come along who must challenge it and try to ‘convert’ the person and if they can’t convert them, then denigrate them.
This reminds me of a story
Company I worked for would send us to company shrink for team building..first meeting had us introduce ourselves and guy, I’ll say Bill had this introduction “I’m Bill and I like farm animals”…needless to say, meeting went downhill from there
This is the problem
It’s why they are critical of Cassel.
This guy is not going to win those Super Bowls, Shit he is a Manager QB.
Damn we need Flacco or Sanchez, they are the future, not this 28 year old POS
New England throwaway. Belichick has sold us another Randy Moss :(
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2010 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
no, Steve ... a "manager" makes decisions
This guy is not going to win those Super Bowls, Shit he is a Manager QB
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Let's not break the code of silence
How many more games is it? I can’t wait.
by paulredfish on Nov 3, 2010 12:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
not sure Flacco or Sanchez are the best options to use
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.
~Aristotle
This is one of the best posts I have ever read and rec'd. My first one.
While I do not agree with all of it, I do agree with about 90% of it. I believe we have a great team, a great coaching staff and great fans. Some of us can agree to disagree. I think all of us true fans are loyal to the chiefs in our own way. There are some of us that are skeptical of our quarterback, but that does not have anything to do with loyalty.
Jones is just taking carries away from Charles
Charles is a stud that could have 2000 yards all by himself, Weis and Haley are screwing this thing up
Just try to STOP US
You seeing something different than what I see.
Jones is a very important part of our team and is doing a great job. We do not have to run Charles into the ground risking injury and shortening his career.
he forgot the sarcasm font again
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Well written post as usual
By why is it that if a fan criticizes something it’s because we’re afraid?
I’m not afriad of anything. I’ve seen winners and losers…good times and bad. At no point in the history of any team has everything existed only in these absolutes. The scale simply slides slightly from one side to the other.
This is sports, not religion. We don’t have to give ourselves over with absolute unquestioning faith to the unknown. We’re allowed to question and wonder and wince and rejoice. That variety is part of the fun. I have no interest in being brainwashed into a single frame of reference.
Go to blogs for any other team and you will see some players being criticized and decisions questioned. There is nothing unique about what is happening here and it has nothing to do with the past. It has everything with the fans wanting to be involved. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe you should try embracing the conversation. ;)
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I have had conversations here.
Many seem to be set in their ways of either supporting or not supporting particular parts of this team. I simply put forward an idea as to why that might be. I cannot read the minds of these posters, only their posts.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
And you aren't set in yours?
You’re writing as post criticizing people for being critical
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because it's yours ;-)
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Your opinion is that some people are wrong to have theirs
I’m not here telling you that you shouldn’t be thrilled with everything and critical of nothing. If that’s how you want to approach things…more power to ya. You’re the one giving us 750 words on why we should stop being the way we are.
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- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
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- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
psssssssst Satch ... you missed a tree
while you’re barking and all
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I'm not barking at all
I’m not mad at my brother. I just want by brother to stop telling me how to raise my kids.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
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- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
He isn't
just a possible different thought pattern.
We (some) of us have seen a million different Chiefs teams play.
This is just another permutation of how to build a team. Compared to some this one is looking good. One built to last, solid Run and solid run defense is always good in an outdoor stadium that also plays in December on the road. Turnover free and penalties are low. I remember Mackovic :(
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnny Mac shoulda never been fired
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- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
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- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
Tell that to Lowery
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually think I may have told Lowrey that once lol
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- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
I have lost spin the bottle, Not pretty :(
Some might liken this part of Haley’s game plan to a game of spin the bottle,
Haley and his Goatee sitting there Nekkid on the concrete floor…. Banish that image
Just try to STOP US
ha!
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Steve ... what were you doing to Haley's Goat?
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Checking it for "flavors"
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- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
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- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
Well Hell Yeah
This is what will happen should we make the playoffs.
We can’t beat anyone with a QB
Just try to STOP US
what if we use the QB like a club to beat people?
Dorsey and Hali grab his ankles and hold him perpendicular while Smith grabs his …
you get the idea
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Not Me
Is this how we want the world at large to see how we support our team? By lying in wait with the express purpose of “crushing” our QB when he fails to complete a final drive?
We need to get Fitzpatrick, He can lead us he is a real QB.
Just try to STOP US
Steve, you're killing me with these
Trying to break the tension? :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Rec Aiken
Cassel played well, The defense played well. The running game did extremely well. Special teams played well. Mostly, they didn’t beat themselves.
Good teams do and the Chiefs are becoming a Good team.
The Buffalo Bills are a good team trying to get to where the Chiefs are right now.
The Chiefs did this last year and we fought and struggled and lost as a team.
The worm is turning and I totally agree with Aiken, WE are ill prepared for the change and guarded in our support. Fan is short for a totally Fanatical supporter of something.
We are totally fanatical supporters of the Kansas City Chiefs :) I am
Just try to STOP US
you're just a fanatic ...
btw Aiken … wreck’d! awesome post full of fairy dust and koolaid, now where’s my *$&@^#)$!!(#^#)&&%$(#^ chocolate?!?
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You lost me at
“The Buffalo Bills are a good team "
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
hide and watch ... they're going to win a lot of games next year ... just like the Lions
both teams are going to be heading up very, very soon … mark my words
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
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MARK MY WORDS, PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now it’s more believable and irrefutable.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 2, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
So we were a good team last year?
who are you and what have you done with Ups?
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
How about
the Bills are a better team than their 0-7 record reflects?
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 2, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
without question
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I went to the game with my avid Bills fan buddy
He knows that team much better than any of us. He happens to think that they’re not only a bad team, but they played even shittier than normal on Sunday.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
Sorry Steve
I am a nobody who told you not to have an opinion. Don’t listen to me.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
I didn't call you a nobody
sheesh you’re sensitive
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
Aiken...
Everyone enjoys your weekly dose of “Sunshine and Dwayne Bowe’s.” I think the earlier comments were folks just being ornery and razzing you a bit. It’s a good post as your posts usually are. I BELIEVE! I’m just mad that the Chiefs may be making Super Bowl reservations before I can get there!
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 2, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd and front paged
I like that Aiken’s posts draw plenty of debate. This site wouldn’t be any fun without it.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 2, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Thanks Joel, but I think there are others who do not share your opinion.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
only the "jerks"
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
- If you don't like that I think Matt Cassel sucks stoic eplilpetic spider monkey balls,
take it up with my butt because he's the only one that gives a crap.
- Favorite Movie: "Canadian Tentacle Porn - A Documentary by Craig in Calgary" Good work Craig...good work.
- Favorite Quote: "Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things" - Shawn Smith
Who apparently have sand... well yeah
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
common idea
on most media outlets the fighting gets most of the air time. The insightful, educational stuff is less exciting so gets the back seat till there are fewer fights to promote.
So...
How about those San Francisco Giants? :)
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 2, 2010 11:26 PM CDT reply actions
Every person has their own way to deal with the time between their teams SB Championships
Isn’t this just a pessimism vs optmism debate?
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.
~Aristotle
by BJ Kissel on Nov 2, 2010 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Exactly!
Now that’s the kind of thinking I can get behind Bajah!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
DING DING DING! WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER. Rec'd.!
Can anyone tell I"m impressed? I don’t need any damn KoolAid. Reality is just as sweet!
Wow
I don’t know what was the better read – the article or the comments.
by tybme on Nov 2, 2010 11:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The article
People (and I do mean multiple, there’s plenty of blame to go around) got too pissy and/or sensitive…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
rec'd
Though I may have doubts about this teams ability to achieve super bowl success this season it was hard to read this post and not at least get caught up for a few moments in the thought that your optimism may hold water…rec’d def!
by Chieforlife8730 on Nov 2, 2010 11:54 PM CDT reply actions
Good points
However I do think we were relevant in the 60’s, 90’s, and early 00’s. I think most Chiefs fans are skeptical or not totally buying this team because of the last 3 seasons. But I do think as the team keeps winning more and more fans will come around. In my opinion most already has. I mean anytime you can run the ball and stop the run its going to translate into wins bottom line. That’s how the Steelers did it for yrs. The only thing I will say is Chiefs fans need to lay off Cassel. He’s not been costing us games. Its not his fault he doesn’t have a strong receviing core. You can’t expect Cassel look like a pro-bowl player with average receivers. Bowe is playing better but still needs to be consistent. Chambers no where to be found. Mcluster as a receiver still work in progress. And Moeaki has been solid but is still a rookie.
That being said he’s the QB and based on how he’s playing he’ll be the QB of the future. WE need to live with it support the guy and get him similar weapons to what he had in New England so he can show the same type of consistent performance.
Great post.
I understand where you’re coming from. I also understand that some folks are afraid of another broken heart but, many of those people have turned the corner IMO. I’m basing this mainly on the threads here on AP. Things are much more positive and we’re actually talking about football. My biggest disapointment so far this season is Arrowhead. I know, I know, i’ve been harping on it all season but, it’s just not there. I’ve been grading Arrowhead weekly kind of the same way we grade our football team and the improvement just isn’t there. MNF was great. That, was Arrowhead. It wasn’t the loudest by a long shot but it was our house again. Since then, instead of seeing improvement game to game it’s been flat lined. It actually went backwards this week against the Bills. Some of you would say “yes but, it was the Bills. Why would anyone get up for that game”? That’s nonsense. If a 4-2 record, leading the division, and playing a tight game in overtime won’t get you up then what will? That’s not the way Arrowhead performs. Yes, performs. It doesn’t matter who we play or how bad their record is because we show up every game. I’m not talking about empty seats. I understand empty seats and why they are empty. Many Americans are doing good to pay the bills so buying a ticket to a football game is at the bottom of a long list. It wasn’t easy for us to renew our seats this season because it’s been tough on my family as well so I get it. My point isn’t empty seats. My point is 66,000 fans were in attendance at Arrowhead Sunday. That’s more than needed to frustrate any offense. The fans simply are not inspired. Or, there has been a turnover in fans and the new fans simply don’t know when, why, or how to make noise that is what makes Arrowhead, Arrowhead. My section is silent with exception to a few of us who show up every defensive down. No, I don’t think that makes me a better fan. I’m just trying to understand why we can’t keep pace with our rapidly improving team. We helped them on MNF and we were a part of that win. The other 3 with exception to about 3 snaps per game was accomplished by the Chiefs football team only. We are not doing our part. The CHiefs are undefeated at home so far and we’ve had very little to do with it. That’s not Arrowhead. What will it take for Arrowhead to return?
by Chiefs_40 on Nov 3, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
If many of those fans are young, you are probably right about them
not knowing what to do. Make a sign that says BE LOUD. They will get it, but they may have to be lead to water.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
many years ago, a young Samuel Morse was working on the problem of communicating over long distances ... but he hit a "wall" in his work early on
to help him, his wife drew a nice, hot bath and told him to go and just relax, and perhaps the answer would come to him whilst sitting in the tub
and so he did, he climbed in, leaned back and relaxed, and waited for the revelation that would help him past his mental block … he waited, and waited, but nothing came of it … no grand thoughts that would lead nim anywhere productive
all of which proves the old adage: you can lead a Morse to water but you can’t make him think
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by upamtn on Nov 3, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
BOOOOOO HISSSSSS
Somebody play him out!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Right, on it!
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Nov 3, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aiken, another great post my man
I don’t have much to add to the convo. I believe we can win any game at this point. I have 2 words that sums it up for me. Why Not?
by RamX21 on Nov 3, 2010 12:31 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Aiken
I feel where you are coming from, yet I don’t really get the friendly out lash. I mean it is not like you were talking about hamsters.
Anyway, I tend to agree with you, most fans are waiting until they see more proof to let their guards down. There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
I just wish more people would have blind optimism that the Chiefs are going to win every game and the Super Bowl. There is nothing wrong with feeling that way either. It is okay to be optimistic and realistic at the same time,
Believing in the growth of players, instead of wanting to cut them after a bad game or two. E.I Matt Cassel, Dwayne Bowe, Derrick Johnson, Glenn Dorsey and others etc. That wouldn’t hurt either, but we want results now people, that is how the world is.
Drumm this was a great post, keep up the good work, most people will forget they were ever skeptical after the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, but then next year it will be rinse and repeat. After the honeymoon is over that is.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Nov 3, 2010 12:36 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No problem Aiken
You think things through and look at both sides and i respect that.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Nov 3, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
We have to have the record for
consecutive home playoff losses… That is the one that hurts the most
We are actually tied
I think there are two or three other teams with the same six in a row losses.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Good Article.
Well thought out opinions with understandable perspective.
by dbowefosho on Nov 3, 2010 12:43 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Got my rec, Aiken.
Thought/discussion provoking.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Solid artcle
Good article, well written Aiken. I’ve been a Chiefs fan for 45 years and I can’t help but hold my breath every week and wonder if the bubble is going to burst. I have to say though, this year you can see a difference and a lot of it has to do with Haley. Win or lose we are playing good football every week. Even when we have what seems to be an off week like last Sunday we still had the fortitude to pull out a win. That is a complete turnaround from the last 4 years. I think Haley is building something good that will carry over into the next several seasons.
Agreed.
I have a question. Is it me getting older or do these guys on the field seem faster and to hit harder than ever? Sometimes I am truly amazed at the speed of what happens.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
I, for one, totally understand your point-of-view.
I love to see us win games. I want to see us win playoff games. I want to see us win the big game.
I know I love this team. But I also know, that love doesn’t make everything alright. Sooner or later, we fans need to be rewarded for the support we’ve given to this team. We’re paying in dollars and in emotions. We are the most loyal fans in the NFL and we deserve a champion.
I looked up into the stands today and I still see empty seats. WHOLE sections in the Club level. Rows of seats in the upper and lower sections. We were 4-2 and I’m still seeing empty seats. We could be 7-2 at home against the Cardinals in 3 weeks and we will still have empty seats. That right there is enough to show that we have skeptical fans out there that don’t quite fully believe in this team yet.
Dear Haters, F@&Y% U!!! Love always, THE CHIEFS!
And also that the economy has tanked and a lot of people are broke
I’d love to spend some funds on some new Chiefs schwag, get directTV NFL package and all kinds of other goodies.
But work / economy have resulted in extremely tight times on this end. And I’m far from alone in that.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
The team aspect of this whole picture cannot be taken for granted.
We don’t have a BUNCH of stars. Of course, there are exceptions to this statement, and our stars WILL emerge over time. So what we have is a team that is just exactly that, a “team”. The sum of the parts is greater than the whole. This team supports and battles for itself. Good teams find a way to win. We are becoming that good team. this is the beginning of a Chiefs dynasty. We have players who are rookies stepping up and being an important part of the team. We have players who floundered over the last few years stepping up and being big time players. We have experienced vets who are grooming their own replacements (i.e.) Vrabel/Studebaker. We have great kickers. We have players who can break it for a score on special teams. We have players who can take it to the house from the line of scrimmage anywhere on the field. We have a POUNDING ground game which is smash mouth football taken to the extreme. We have a very efficient offensive line which is allowing few sacks and opening holes for the running backs with basically no “stars”. To sum it all up, we are a damned good football team and to borrow a phrase “getting a little bit better every day”. We are on the verge of becoming a FORCE in the AFC West. This is a team which is ascending. The sky is the limit. Maybe this year will not be “our year” but it is going to happen. What we are seeing is the early stages of a team on the cusp of greatness. Geaux, Chiefs.
"The Hammer"
Too long
I don’t comment on this site for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it. I comment for the people that have always believed in me. I comment for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that.
Too $hort
I don’t comment on this site for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it. I comment for the people that have always believed in me. I comment for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that.
Haha I like it
You know, for a guy that I occasionally want to climb through the computer and fight, you’re pretty funny…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
And so the little tiny baby bear
tried the third bowl of porridge and it was just right………………..
"The Hammer"
by G.L. on Nov 3, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
and every time I think of porridge I think ...
Soylent Green is PEOPLE!
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Nice post Aiken. Good read and rec'd
Can I offer some advice though? You expressed in an earlier comment that you weren’t trying to tell people how they can or cannot think. You’ll find that in this relativism-driven world, people are always going to react defensively any time you present an argument for thinking a certain way (except relativistically, of course. Ironic, right?).
Perhaps a way to avoid all the drama in the future is to make the post slightly more introspective. That way, you avoid coming off as condescending to those who are inclined to feel condescended to…
I personally don’t feel that telling someone why they’re wrong is a bad thing, but I am in the minority on that opinion. So I try to phrase my posts (when I can, and when I remember) as more “theories” than facts. That seems to get people less riled up.
Anyways, that’s my advice, take it or leave it. Again, I really enjoyed your thoughts on the subject.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
defensive?!? WHO ARE YOU CALLING DEFENSIVE!!! just who do YOU think you ARE, Sonny?
how DARE you try to tell others what to think or why they’re wrong, you condescending whippersnapper, how can you POSSIBLY sit there and …
oh, wait … never mind! :-)
carry on, Laddie, carry on!
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
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Exactly :)
Although as I say below, I do find the irony of people telling others not to tell them what to say or think interesting…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
This is ridiculous in my opinion...
I ain’t no good at book learnin’ but the entire premise of this post bogus.
There are some fans on here that are criticle of Cassel, and rightfully so to an extent.
There are some fans here that are criticle of of Haley, personally I think he is a good coach.
There are some people here that question why Charles doesn’t get more touches, nothing wrong with that, this is a blog after all.
:
If you add all this up, these fans must be absolutely beside themselves when they look at the record. 5-2? How did that happen? Here is the mantra for how they see the Chiefs season so far. We got lucky on the Monday night game, after all it was a monsoon, the Chargers wore the wrong cleats and Phyllis was having a bad hair day. Cleveland was pure luck. Crazy Haley went for it on fourth down and made it (his luck will run out) to hold on for the win. The 49ers hadn’t won a game prior to playing us and their record since shows a measly two wins. Obviously they are terrible and we should have beaten them. Big deal. The fact that we did is no endorsement to this team. The Colts and Texans now, there is the REAL story. These are good teams that we simply cannot beat (holding Mr. football out of the endzone in his own house through the air was just more unexplainable dumb luck). This is what will happen should we make the playoffs. "
I am not on here all the time but, I have not read where Chiefs fans are saying that garbage, I have read that from opposing teams fans and the media but not Chiefs fans…and if a fan has said any of that about those wins, I can almost guarantee that that individual did not trash every win like that…
I guess that my main problem with this post is that you lump every “negative” issue together to come up with an irrational conclussion that fans who are criticle are somehow afraid to admit that our team is good. You imply that someone who is criticle of Cassel is also criticle of Haley and how we win games and Charles not getting touches. Most fans are criticle of a specific area and not other areas, in this post you throw everyone that has a criticle opinion into one big negative basket and try to psychoanalyze why they think a certain way, assuming that there is something wrong with them…
I seriously doubt that there is a real Chiefs fan that fits into the mold that your post is about, negative about every issue that is debated on AP(except HIV, but he is here to stir the pot), but in this fanpost you essentially created this fictional super tool fan that does nothing but complain for no reason about everything the Chiefs do. just my take…
Hey...How'd everyone get in my room?
I can almost guarantee that that individual did not trash every win like that…
I don’t think any one individual has said all of those things, but in many threads those basic ideas were put forward at one time or another
Aiken is guilty of a little elaboration – I don’t recall any of the criticisms being quite that ridiculous.
(Oh, except the claim that Fitzgerald’s INT was in garbage time…)
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
You mean Fitzpatrick? :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
yeah
Stupid phone autocomplete nonsense.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
PVC, we call it "editorial license" :-)
Aiken is guilty of a little elaboration
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"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
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Thanks for your reply.
It was not my intent to say that any one fan embodied all of these issues. Rather, many different fans embody one of more of them as they see fit. The fact that you made a post that takes issue with who I was talking about rather than what I was talking about could indicate that you feel like I was talking about you. Then by discrediting what I said by implying that I am talking about no one you get to impune my post from a safe distance without consequence. Did this article make you reconsider your criticisms? Just my take…
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
These fans, these fans, these fans... you are the one lumping them all together...i am just pointing out the ridiculousness of it all...
This is why these fans are critical — of nearly everything, including the wins themselves. It’s why they are critical of Matt Cassel."
Look what it took to silence these fans on the running game."
I think that many of these fans are currently convinced that Todd Haley has more than one screw loose. "
If you add all this up, these fans must be absolutely beside themselves when they look at the record. 5-2? How did that happen?"
Hey...How'd everyone get in my room?
Yes the word is fan(S), plural
I have already told you that my intent was not to lump them all together in believing all of these things, yet you persist in trying to make it look like I was.
As far as being ridiculous, I would say that criticizing a QB for not being able to handle the passing game when that same QB has thrown 119 passes without an interception is ridiculous. I would also say that implying that Haley is a new coach that doesn’t get it and that is why he goes for it in fourth down situations (particularly when he has explained that this is not the reason he does this) is ridiculous. I believe that suggesting that Charles will look to be traded because he is unhappy about who is listed as number one on the depth chart when he is clearly the leading rusher in KC is ridiculous. And yes, criticizing a 5-2 record after only seven games in a seaon when that same team won all of four games the previous year is ridiculous.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Aiken, how do I tighten my loose screws?
and would I be better off using bolts instead?
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Nov 3, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you can claim that you weren't lumping them together...
but you did…
btw thanks for the English lesson…had no idea the s made it plural…
Hey...How'd everyone get in my room?
How many Kumbaya circle jerk posts is this clown going to give us?
Can’t we all just get along? Can’t we just be happy with what we have? No reason to point out areas for improvement.
I don’t comment on this site for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it. I comment for the people that have always believed in me. I comment for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that.
You bring up circle jerks a lot...
Were you a frat boy by any chance?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
You prefer elephant walks?
I don’t comment on this site for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it. I comment for the people that have always believed in me. I comment for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that.
Haha oh Lord I don't know why I said anything...
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Yeah!
We should only have posts that point out the flaws of our team! That’s the only kind of thing worth reading! Everything else is a circle jerk written by evil clowns! No reason to point out areas that we’re doing well in.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Insane Chiefs Posse
kinda has a nice ring to it, yanno?
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award (I'd like to thank my producer, my director, all of my wonderful fans ... )
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I like it
I’m not putting on makeup though…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Here's a fascinating irony...
Telling someone else that they shouldn’t tell you what to think or say.
If you can’t think of why that’s ironic, take a moment…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Just remember...
It is impossible to focus on the reverse of an idea.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
But if you look deep enough into the galaxy
You can see the Beginning of time :)
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 3, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW!!
That is EXACTLY how I feel. I have almost stopped coming to sites because of the constant negativity. Yeah I have Rose Colored Glasses but I also have patience and understand that the Coaches know more than I do. They are 5-2 and are improving. It is still a process. People make mistakes. The smart people learn from them. Aiken_Drum I commend you on a very well written article.
Joel.. Why isn’t he on staff???
by Trapped in Donkeyland on Nov 3, 2010 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Aiken, I think you pulled them pistols
But a few of the bullets were blanks.
god, i hate firing blanks
um….i mean….what?
Make sure you give The Hoff some love:
Here's to you Steve Hoffman
It happens
I guess the only way to know if you ammo is any good is to pull the trigger every once in awhile. :>)
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
That's exactly right.
I’m glad you know I was only kidding. I figured you did though.
Sooooo....
Which poster is rubber and which is glue? And did I see a Nanny Nanny Boo Boo in there somewhere?
Face it Aiken, We could win the Super Bowl and for some fans it will just not be good enough unless we went undefeated, Cassel had a 100% completion rate, Jamaal scored a TD on every touch, we shut out every opponent and did not allow a single positive yard on Defense. I blame video game cheat codes :)
by fairmont on Nov 3, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
TOTAL BS!!
We are all fans and we all want the chiefs to win every week. We just all don’t wear rose colored glasses.
Your right
I would never question anyone’s fandom. And you should try the rose-colored glasses sometime… it gives averything a nice warm glow, kinda like canldelight :)
I don't think a positive attitude or a negative attitude or perception
distorts the truth. Glass half empty or glass half full still equals the same amount. So if I have a positive attitude ar you are saying that I do not see the truth?
by fairmont on Nov 3, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because if you were I would have to say...
“We are all fans and we all want the chiefs to win every week.” We just choose not to enjoy the winning ways of our favorite team.
by fairmont on Nov 3, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't know we were playing truth or consequeces.
I brought up neither. Depends on what the glass has in it I suppose. I didn’t bring that up either. The truth? I didn’t even bring that into the conversation. I guess it depends on what we are talking about. Are talking about what is fiction and nonfiction? Positive, negative are you talking about batteries? Perceotion?
I truly think we could come to an agreement on beer though.
After about 6 or 7, who cares if the glass is half full or half empty…
On a serious note what is Perceotion?
or was that a typo? (I am really being serious not being a smart ass)
and on the contrary
The Chiefs could lose every game, blow up on the field when ever given a chance, fumble constantly, etc… and some people would still defend the players doing it. Saying “they are misunderstood”, “still growing”, “waiting to hit their stride” and so on.
what we are describing here are the extremist views which both exist in posts in places like this. Most fans live somewhere in the middle, perhaps closer to one end or the other, but mostly still willing to recognize both the positive as well as the negative.
The point is, just because someone is skeptical or pessimist doesn’t mean they should be shouted down and called names like “hater” etc.. told if they have nothing nice to say to not say anything.
same goes for the kool-aid drinkers who are the sunshine and rainbows folks. They can post their thoughts just the same, or should be able to without folks telling them to sit down and shut up.
Just because you don’t like or disagree with what others post doesn’t mean they have to be shouted down. At least, so I have been told. We don’t have to read the posts we don’t like. just because we don;t like it doesn’t give us the right to tell them to shut up.
Joel told me so.
thanks but
I never left, just been holding my tongue more.
Great Post, one of the best I've ever seen
It’s all so true. Some people on here are gonna get all bent out of shape because it’s the truth. As loyal as Chiefs fans are, we’re extremely pessimistic. Keep up the good work Aiken, and just so you know, I believe, and it’s already enough,
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Good post A_D, rec'd!!!
However, I think it’s in the genes of every fan to be critical of their team regardless of who their team is. We have one of the most historically rich teams, with one of (if not the most), rabid fan bases in the country. It’s our nature to quibble, debate, and competitively banter our thoughts, strategies, and thesis-like formulas to and for success. It’s just who we are. Win or lose, we’ll always be here to shoot the sh*t. Just wait until the great 2011 draft debate starts up in January…
" That was a cajun run! Flew Bayou!" - Dexter McCluster
Great read Aiken
Don’t let anyone bring you down. Keep bringing these posts. Everyone has a right to their opinion. If someone disagrees strongly enough with your point they should write up something of this quality to state their case.
Keep in mind you’ll never sway everyone. At the end of the day if you let the people who attack you or mock you get to you they win. The great thing about enjoying what is right (with the Chiefs or in life in general) is that you don’t walk around pissed off and frustrated all the time. Don’t let anyone take that away from you.
"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda
Thanks for the encouragement Porkchop
I hope you are doing well over at arrowhead addict. I will always keep my positive outlook. Somebody’s gotta keep it goin’ around here in your wake!
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Reminds me of a statement made by Rush Limbaugh.
When President Obama won the election, Rush (get me some illegal Oxycontin, so I can concentrate on The War on Drugs)Limbaugh, stated that he hoped Obama failed, to prove his point. Well, he proclaims to be patriotic, but would rather be right, despite millions suffering if he is wrong. It is similar to the comments about Cassell. People are so determined to be right, that they would rather the team fail, than to be wrong, and are damn determined to make Cassell the scapegoat. I have a hard time considering these Cassell haters true Chief Fans. A real fan would wish him success, even if they had to eat an infamous shitburger, for being wrong.
I am not against constructive criticism of our team, despite our early success. We will all have concerns about various elements of the team. I feel like we definitely need a 2nd receiver to step up, as we are too dependent on Bowe, and I even see this game possibly manifesitng that problem. The difference is, I want to be wrong, and see us win the game rather it is with Bowe or Terrence Copper. I know that the hard core Cassell haters are a minority, but I do think they harbor the same sentiments that Rush does. Cassell also seems to be held to different standards than any other Qb, by the haters, and some can’t wait for him to have a really bad game, that potentially loses the game for us (which he will, along with every other Qb in the league).
I will say one thing, that may contradict my good friend Aiken. I think we have learned to accept mediocracy, or worse, for so long, that we do tend to be cynicle, until we are shown that this isn’t just another team that benefits from a fairly easy schedule, and then falls apart in the playoffs, when confronted with the league’s elite teams. That may manifest itself again this season, if we make the playoffs (which we should, unless we really go to shit). I guess what I am excited about, is the change of mindset on this team, an entirely new culture, and an Owner, GM and Coaching staff that look even beyond this season, and see a team that can compete for that Lombardi for several seasons to come. I didn’t expect a Superbowl this season when it started, and still don’t , but I see it being a reality sooner than later, and a team we can be proud of for years to come. I am very proud of this teams accomplishments, in such a short time, under an entirely new regime, and It’s been a long time since I felt that confident, about now, and even more, the immediate future.
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
How can anyone say Cassel played well in the Buffalo game?
Some of the things I read here just boggle my mind.
We came within a hair’s breadth of losing the game because of Matt Cassel.
If you're going to point out the struggles (which is a valid point)
It’s also important to point out what he did well… drive us down the field in just over a minute to put us in position to kick the game winner.
Pretty bad game, but he did end it very well with a great drive.
While we were “within a hair’s breadth” of losing because of Cassel, we won because of his clutch passes at the end of OT.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Great post
It’s a shame it became a “Is Cassel the future?” discussion though. I think there is a lot more to the team and we’re we are at than just Cassel. Oh well, people do what they do.
I've come back to thinking about this post after today's game
I really though that we were going seal the deal today. So that got me thinking that winning would be enough. I was giddy at the prospect of going up 2.5 games in the west. After watching the way San Diego moved the ball today and how our game ended up, I kinda got that “oh shit” feeling. I fell silly for thinking this team could pull off a close win against a team fighting for relevance. San Diego won the close game against Houston that we could not. We couldn’t put away Oakland even though I think we are the more talented team. However, as a long time Chiefs fan, this feels all too familiar. You are correct I think to point out that Chiefs fans tend to expect the worst. Today I tried to expect the best, but somewhere in the back of my mind I knew that it was all in vain. I think this post (and certainly the comments) captures the central dilemma facing Chiefs fans. Do we believe? Can we love again after having our hearts ripped out and stomped on so many times? Right now, I don’t know the answer to this question. In 6 weeks we will know.
OU SUCKS!!!!!!
Nice read by "Aiken"....
…Wasn’t sure where you were driving but it had some pleasant views along the way. You brought out the reasons why Chiefs fans have every reason to be “Skepticle” and then supplied the rays of hope. I think, however , the reference to a 40 year “Legacy of Losing” could have been replaced with a 40 year “Legacy of lost opportunities”.
Ya gotta admit that we in K.C have been teased by the potential of greatness as no other fan base for lo these 40 years. The promise of “the offense of the 70’s”, " the Longest game ever played" to determine a championship opportunity, hope faded with sudden death of Joe Delaney, glimpses of greatness in the 80’s ( Wow ! What a Defense!), And , How about those offenses in the 90’s and even The Priest blessed us with some stirring performances in the"00’s". But all for naught. Not a wiff of the scent of success for any of those years of frustration. Who’s to say we are not wittness to one more “Big Tease”.
I’ll tell ya what. The fact that we have a shread of optimism is remarkable. The fact that we are witness to a program that is definately on the rise once again brings hope. I love the give and take on the merits of Matt Cassel. It reminds me of all the " Dawson Haters". He was “only 50% in Super Bowls”. And of course “all but two of his Playoff Seasons ended in a loss”. “He had great WR’s but still he failed to find them about 40% of the time”.
Once again we can see a little bit of sunshine and we should bask in its glorious warmth. Cassel lead not just one but two drives at end of Bill’s game. Don’t forget Cassel lead a come from behind drive in fourth quarter of Raider game as well. We have the most promising draft class in a long time, an outstanding tandem at RB, a relentless Pass Rusher, a couple of High Picks on D-Line, and one of most exciting offensive weapons as a multi purpose back.
We are almost up to date in KC. Almost. We have waited 40 years as you have said. Who is to say we can’t wait another year. And, oh yeh, no one is preventing us from enjoying the wait as well.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
by CatChief on Nov 11, 2010 12:54 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I like the lost opportunities line
Thanks for the comment. REC.
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