Dwayne Bowe IS a #1 WR
by JC25FoMVP on Nov 17, 2010 3:33 PM CST
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Dwayne Bowe is a #1. I am nearly 100% he would average 1,300 plus yards and nearly 10 tds in a pass first offense. He has been in a run first offense since he was drafted. He would be a definite pro bowler in Houston, New England, Indy, Denver, ect. Im tired of people saying hes not a #1 WR. He proved it last week. I know it was a blowout, but he was going against Champ Bailey. Champ Bailey is a competitor who will play man to man with all his heart even if the score is 200 to 3. Dwayne Bowe consistently made Champ Bailey look like Brandon Carr. Even when the game was in reach, he made great plays and ran great routes on a top tier CB. Not only does he play in a run first offense, but he plays in a division that has 3 top 10 cornerbacks. Two of which whom are in the top 5 in Bailey and obviously Nnamdi.
A great comparison to Dwayne Bowe is Hines Ward. Hines ward has had a great career in a consistently run first offense. He has absolutely no years that are astounding, or unheard of, or remarkable. But when it when Jerome Bettis, Willie Parker, or Rashard Mendenhall got/get tired, he always made a play.
Ward's stats
| 2010 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 9 | 9 | 30 | 375 | 12.5 | 43 | 4 | 1 | -2 | -2.0 | -2 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| 2009 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 16 | 16 | 95 | 1,167 | 12.3 | 54 | 6 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | 2 | 1 |
| 2008 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 16 | 15 | 81 | 1,043 | 12.9 | 49 | 7 | 1 | 4 | 4.0 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 2007 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 13 | 13 | 71 | 732 | 10.3 | 25 | 7 | 3 | 11 | 3.7 | 7 | 0 | -- | -- |
| 2006 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 14 | 14 | 74 | 975 | 13.2 | 70T | 6 | 2 | 30 | 15.0 | 21 | 0 | 2 | 1 |
| 2005 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 15 | 15 | 69 | 975 | 14.1 | 85T | 11 | 3 | 10 | 3.3 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| 2004 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 16 | 16 | 80 | 1,004 | 12.6 | 58 | 4 | 7 | 25 | 3.6 | 16T | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 2003 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 16 | 16 | 95 | 1,163 | 12.2 | 50 | 10 | 11 | 61 | 5.5 | 25 | 0 | -- | -- |
| 2002 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 16 | 16 | 112 | 1,329 | 11.9 | 72T | 12 | 12 | 142 | 11.8 | 39 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| 2001 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 16 | 16 | 94 | 1,003 | 10.7 | 34 | 4 | 10 | 83 | 8.3 | 36 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| 2000 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 16 | 15 | 48 | 672 | 14.0 | 77T | 4 | 4 | 53 | 13.3 | 23 | 0 | 2 | 0 |
And Dwayne Bowe has done nothing but that for our offense this year. As soon as Jamaal rushes for a 3 yard gain, boom... Dwayne Bowe breaks the zone, breaks a couple tackles, jukes a man, and takes it to the endzone. After we've ran all the way into the red zone. Bowe is there for the fade route. That is all you can ask him to do. He has made key drops, but im sure even Fitzgerald would after watching the team run or pass it to the tight end 30 straight plays. We didnt draft Bowe expecting him to be the next Jerry Rice, we drafted him expecting him to be the next Hines Ward. He is a #1 WR for this offense and could be a #1 WR on any team he wanted to. He is essentially the type of WR we need for this offense. We don't have a QB with a cannon arm, we need a strong possession receiver who can make plays for himself without much assistance. And thats what D Bowe does.
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Thats not a good comparison...
Hines ward is not a #1 receiver either. He’s a possession type if guy he makes plays but he’s never been or will be a #1 also people should not overreact to the numbers put up by bowe and cassel against Denver considering that most if those numbers came in garbage time when Denver was not in man to man and was perfectly fine giving up huge yardage with a 30 point lead.
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by bflowers24probowl on Nov 17, 2010 3:52 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Well
I guess Hines is going to be the first hall of fame WR that was not a #1 receiver then. IF Dwayne can get more consistent, then I like the comparison. But that is a big if…
If he stays healthy and plays 3-4 more years
Why couldn’t he be? 13,000-14,000 yards and maybe 100 touchdowns and maybe the greatest blocking WR ever…Doesn’t seem that far fetched to me.
We will agree to disagree.
If Ward goes to the HOF then there are about 20 or 30 other guys over the past 50 years that deserve to go. 30 is being conservative. And yes, I do like Ward.
Dwayne Bowe is the Chiefs #1 receiver.
That does not make him a true Number 1. There are not 32 #1 receivers in the league. True elite WR command rolled coverage and double teams. The make the defense predictable because the safety will always shade toward the WR. Dwayne Bowe does not command a double team. Dwayne Bowe is a decent receiver, one who benefits from defenses rolling safeties into the box to try and stop the run game.
There is no question that Bowe is the Chiefs best receiver, and possible one of the best 32 WR in the league. But he is not a game changer.
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by saskwatch on Nov 17, 2010 4:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Although one thing with Bowe is that when his head is in it, he seems virtually unstoppable. He’s got the physical tools to be one of those “elites”, but seems to lack the mental capacity.
If he has another big game this week, maybe I’ll start to change my mind. But inconsistency has always been his issue.
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Right on MN
Bowe’s biggest detriment is Bowe. When he is tuned in, he can do most anything he wants to. Maybe Haley needs to find some new knobs for Bowes tuner. Something HAS to work.
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Don't change it too quickly
Remember, he’s done this already this year. He had a real nice two game stretch and then disappeared again, going back to dropping passes. He’s not consistent, like most of our team. I don’t see him keeping up this pace for the rest of the year. Maybe he’ll be good to great for another week or two, but eventually, he will lose focus and start dropping balls and not getting open again.
+1 I Agree Completely
People think that a #1 WR needs to be a burner with speed, and BFlowers comment saying Ward is not a #1 WR is rediculous, look at the record books he’s in there.
Bowe is a WR in the mold of Hines Ward and Anquan Boldin, yes he has had drop issues, but most WRs do every now and then… Just because he is a big bodied WR who will go over the middle and make the tough catch doesn’t make him a “Posession WR” it makes him a complete WR.
Also check out the solid, long runs by our RBs, he is almost always involved in a critical block to make it happen.
He is a #1 WR, get over it… Is he an elite #1? no, but we don’t need him to be. We do need a solid #2 though
We need an elite #1
The Bowe can be our solid #2.
“Also check out the solid, long runs by our RBs, he is almost always involved in a critical block to make it happen.”
Bowe isn’t even our best blocking WR. Copper is the WR out there on our 1 WR 3 TE sets so that tells me the coaching staff has more confidience in Copper as a blocker than Bowe.
Yes Bowe beat Bailey pretty bad but Bailey was playing zone a lot so that kind of opens up who is responcible for Bowe and the catches he is making. Im not saying Bowe is a bad reciever but he is not the Elite #1 that the Chiefs really need.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
Why do we need an elite #1?
NE won 3 superbowls without an “elite #1 WR”… 2 of the teams they beat in the SB had Elite WR’s like Torry Holt, and Steve Smith who I’d consider elite atleast back then.
Pittsburgh won a superbowl with Hines Ward and people are on here saying hes not even a true #1, let alone elite. And they beat Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald.
The saints dont have an Elite #1…dont try to tell me Marques Colston is Elite. And they beat Reggie Wayne with 1 of the best QB’s of all time throwing to him.
Giants didn’t have an elite WR when they beat Moss and the Pats in the superbowl.
Buc’s didnt have an elite WR (that i can think of anyway) when the beat the Raiders.
Going back and looking at superbowl winners, theres really not alot of “Elite #1 WR’s” on alot of these teams that win superbowls. But I HAVE noticed alot of “Elite #1 WR’s” on the losing end of the superbowl. Wayne/Harrison with Peyton is the only one out of the recent times unless you consider Hines Ward to be Elite.
You dont NEED an Elite player an ANY position. But you NEED an Elite player at SOME position. Basically, you dont necessarily need to have an Elite player in a certain position, but you’ve gotta have elite players somewhere.
WR is a position where you don’t NEED elite players..you just need guys who can catch the ball when the QB finds them. The Chiefs era of Trent Green is a prime example. Green consistently put up 4000 yard seasons with a TE as his best pass catcher. Had we been able to build even a mediocre defense with that offense, and we’da likely won the superbowl atleast 1 of those few years we owned the league in offense.
by Petey14 on Nov 18, 2010 2:52 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Great Post
I think the key for teams to be successful is just to have multiple reliable WRs… that’s what NO has been, which allows Brees to find 10 different “pass catchers” per game… If we get one more solid WR in the draft we will have a good receiving core with Bowe, Moeaki, and Dex
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by ArrowSpread on Nov 18, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
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That whole post just proves
You need an Elite QB.
by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 19, 2010 7:01 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
You either have to have an elite QB or an elite defense and we have neither. So having somebody that can turn a 5 yard slant into a 60 yard td would help our team out a lot.
In a sense
Although I firmly believe you dont NEED an Elite position anywhere. You just NEED to have Elite players somewhere, no matter the position. I HIGHLY doubt that you can find 1 position that every great team/superbowl champion had an elite player at.
Also, what defines “Elite”? If you were to ask me, there can’t be 10 “Elite” QB’s in the league. IMO, the top 5 QB’s could be considered elite, but the rest? Idk. I mean dont get me wrong..there are some REALLY good QB’s outside the Top 5, but how can they be “Elite” if there’s 5 or more guys better than them? “Elite” is the best of the best, right?
Some would argue if Big Ben is elite. Eli Manning certainly isnt elite. Tom Brady wasnt “elite” during his first Superbowl run. Brad Johnson? Trent Dilfer? Common denominator: Superbowl Champions.
Of course, you could also go back and say "Look at Manning, Brees, Brady (yes I put him in both. There’s no way anybody would say he was “elite” during his first superbowl run, but he definitely became “elite”), and Warner" etc.
My point is, teams have done it without Elite QB’s. The things that the elite QB’s and “not-elite-but-won-a-superbowl” QB’s have in common: Game Manager.
To me, a Game Manager is someone who, no matter how high or low his numbers are, is someone who can keep the drive alive and convert 3rd downs, and not turn the ball over. Kerry Collins did an EXCELLENT job of doing that in 2008. He started 15 games, threw for less than 3000 yards, 12 TD’s, only 7 int’s. He also was only sacked 8 times all year. He only completed 58% of his passes which isnt all that great.
To me, no matter what kind of team you are, your team is built in the trenches. A great OL makes any RB look good, and also allows a QB more time to analyze. Does anyone thing Manning or Brady (or any other great QB) would still become great if they had played for teams with piss poor OL’s? I mean, David Carr MAY have become a great QB if Houston had ever built a decent line in front of him. We’ll never know. And we’ll never know how any other great QB would have played in different conditions. On the defensive side, if you have a great DL, you can eliminate the run game and make teams pass on you. If you have a great pass rusher on that DL, well..i dont need to explain..
And this is exactly why I dont comment anymore..my comments end up long, and drawn out, and it really doesnt matter anyway..ha!
He's not a number 1 and neither is ward.
Get over it. Being in the record books doesn’t mean anything anyone who has ever caught a pass is in the record books. Why don’t we need him to be elite, he’s a first round draft pick why should we expect anything less than elite. Look at the stat sheets ward is not even the number one option on his team.
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by bflowers24probowl on Nov 17, 2010 4:11 PM CST reply actions
I'm pretty sure he meant that
The company that surrounds him in the record books is elite, so why isn’t he elite. He has 2 rings and an mvp. The HOF is hugely political, so I can see him not getting in, but if John Stallworth and Lynn Swann are HoF’ers then Hines Ward most definitely is.
Call me crazy...
but I don’t think a true #1 leads the league in dropped passes, despite missing five games. Yeah, every receiver drops passes, but if you’re a #1, it should be a surprise, and not expected.
I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.
Did he lead the league in dropped passes in only 11 games?
I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.
By some people's definition...
There would only be a handful of “#1 WRs” in the league.
Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss (kinda)
Who else? Reggie Wayne, Brandon Marshall? They’re #1s right?
Yes to all the ones you listed and here's a few more
Chad Ochocinco
Terrell Owens
DeSean Jackson
Miles Austin
And I think there are a few guys that could develop into number ones like Michael Crabtree and Dez Bryant.
Guys like Hines Ward, Anquan Boldin, TJ Housmanzadeh, etc. are great #2s, but not necessarily #1s. You are right though that teams can do great with two good #2s.
Brandon Marshall
He’s a possession receiver. So he’s not a number 1? Wes Welker, is he elite? I think that trying to distinguish between a #1 and a #2 is ridiculous. There are 2 starting wideouts and many plays on each team are designed for one of them to be the primary receiver. Todd Haley has specifically talked about people dwelling on a #1 or #2 and that it doesn’t matter. As someone that coached Keyshawn, Fitz, Boldin, etc. he might know something about receivers. Sometimes the primary receiver is the tight end.
By the arguments that some of you are using, your definition of a #1 is a speed guy, and a #2 is a possession guy. I contend that an elite wide out causes the defense to pay attention to him no matter what the play. Whether that means playing a safety over the top, or drawing an extra linebacker over the middle. If he needs to be double teamed, he is elite. If he is causing the defense to leave other areas of the field less guarded to make sure he is covered that is elite. It doesn’t matter if that is the deep quarters on the shallows. The great ones are double and triple teamed, and still make plays. D Bowe might not have burner speed, but he draws double teams over the middle and is a “primary” concern for defenses. And, I guarantee you that DBowe can outrun TO right now.
I think the real question is..
are you content with Bowe being the best wide out on the team or do you want someone better?
I don’t comment on this site for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it. I comment for the people that have always believed in me. I comment for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that.
Like Fitzgerald
or someone else?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
so basically
Bowe is like Boldin (minus the drops) and we need to find a Fitzgerald to play opposite him? I approve….actually finding a great receiver…not so easy.
Not really
IF…and I reiterate IF…it is made a PRIORITY. Unfortunately, this team looks like swiss cheese right now and we have too many other holes to fill.
I'd be content with having someone opposite him that is equally as dangerous or even slightly less
Chambers isn’t even close.
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by ArrowSpread on Nov 18, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Now THAT is a good point
If we had a guy that was even 80% what Bowe is on the other side, I think he’d have a much easier time of it.
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I shake my head at people who want Bowe gone.
He most certaintly is our #1 reciever, and trading him will make an anemic passing offence…..well…..what’s lower than anemic? Carolina Pantheresque?
Get another guy across from him, and who cares who is the #1 or #2? I like a couple of the guys in the draft but drafting WR’s for some reason is more of a crap shoot than any other position so I’m all for trading for a proven vet like Lee Evans or someone like that.
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by craig in calgary on Nov 17, 2010 4:44 PM CST reply actions
I absolutely agree with this
WR’s seem to be one of the dicier positions. Every year you see just as many 3rd and 4th round WR’s making an impact as 1st rounders.
I was bummed that we didn’t make a move on Evans before the deadline.
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maybe that was him
guy who bounced around the practice squad and made plays everytime he was in the game.
Regardless of who IS our #1 WR -
We need that vertical deep threat who can stretch the field.
Bowe is a great weapon for us..
A big bodied leaper.
We need someone opposite of him to maximize his effectiveness!
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by chiefsfan62 on Nov 17, 2010 8:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Yup
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by chiefFANatic on Nov 17, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Dwayne Bowe is an elite receiver...
When he keeps his concentration enough to run decent routes and focus on catching the ball.
Let’s see him do that two games in a row.
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In that vein, so am I
When I’m running my 4.5 40 and actually get my chance with a pro team….oh wait…
yeah im not there yet...he dropped 1 game, possibly 2 this year if the colts game counts as the 2nd(raiders being the first...that game is over if he catches that catchable ball)
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Clutch.
IMO the sinlge most important “unmeasurable” trait in any “elite” player…in ANY sport.
Montana, Jordan, Kobe, Tiger, Jeeter…the list goes on.
Ask yourself this;
With the Superbowl on the line, 1 second to go, I would rather see the ball thrown to_____________
A. Dwayne Bowe
B. Tony Moeaki
If 90% or more of AP would say “A”, then Dwayne Bowe is an “elite, #1 reciever”
My guess is he wouldn’t even get 50% of the vote
Dauntlessly Matriculating
Depends...
Is the ball to him or placed somewhere that makes the catch difficult?
Bowe can catch the tough ones, not so much the easy ones.
by LTownChiefsFan on Nov 23, 2010 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Also dwayne bowe has become a very great deep threat
throw him a 40 yd post in zone coverage, he’ll break a tackle juke a man, a1nd sprint an extra 10 yards for paydirt.
Bowe is arguably the best WR in the league after the catch, he is arguably the strongest, the biggest redzone threat, and hes showing when he concentrates he can have some soft hands.
That Indy drop was a blessing in disguise, if he caught that, their would be no wake up call. He would just continue his inconsistent play. Dwayne Bowe is a #1 WR, and hes putting up pro bowl stats in a run first offense. Give credit where its due
Also consider that when we pass
noone is worried about chris chambers, there are usually up to two corners and a looming safety on Bowe.
A great pickup if the Jags dont go to the playoffs, would be MSW. He would be perfect in this offense. he runs good routes, good possesion wr, and has great hands. he would be the boost to superbowl contention
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