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Rivalry Reignited: Todd Haley Versus Josh McDaniels

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Kansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley and Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels are both in the second year of their first head coaching jobs and both are trying hard to stake their claim as best coach in the West. You could say both coaches are pretty, um, prideful too. 

Yesterday, after the Broncos blew out the Chiefs 49-29, I think it's safe to say that Todd Haley's pride was hurt. As the two coaches approached each other for the customary post game handshake, Todd Haley instead waved his finger at Josh McDaniels and uttered some angry words. No handshake was made. 

Check out the video of it here

I don't know what exactly Haley said to McDaniels but it was pretty clear it was said in anger. This Broncos win had "revenge win" all over it after last year's loss to the Chiefs in Week 17, which essentially sealed Denver's playoff fate. McDaniel's remembered Jamaal Charles' 256 yards rushing. He remembered that the Chiefs didn't let up that entire game either. 

Call the lack of a handshake classless. Say McDaniels was classless for "running up the score." But you want my opinion? I freakin' love it. Bring on the rivalry! Let's make Chiefs and Broncos really nasty again. Denver and KC hasn't been as exciting as it could have been in recent years.

With both teams fighting for the division, dignity and relevance, December 5th at Arrowhead Stadium will be intense. 

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I don't like it.

Haley and Pioli want guys who do it the right way. He should have shook hands. I don’t think the Broncos didn’t do anything that warranted his reaction.

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by saskwatch on Nov 15, 2010 9:05 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

I'm not saying Haley shouldn't ever shake his hand again

Just that in this particular incident, already being over, I like how it heats up Denver/KC.

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by Chris Thorman on Nov 15, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

I want these new guys to hate the Broncos like we all do. I don’t know if these newer teams have that fire in the gut like we do. I’m sure they know it’s a division rival and an important game – but we all remember the history of these teams like it was yesterday, and that fire never dies in us.

Bring it – I’m ready for a return to the fiery days of yore!

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

sask, wreck'd Sir ... I said the same thing yesterday

regardless of what it was that ticked Haley off, his failure to shake McD’s hand showed a lack of class and respect and civility … rise above WHATEVER it is and show the class that this organization (supposedly) embodies

it really is just that simple

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by upamtn on Nov 15, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, it is.
it really is just that simple

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

It shows a lot more class and character to suck it, smile and shake his hand then store the event in the back of your mind and remind them just how much fun it isn’t to be on the receiving end of this kind of butt whooping when they come to Arrowhead.

competition is no excuse for lack of civility.

by bigbearomaha on Nov 15, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

suck it "up"

oy vey someday I will be able to type

by bigbearomaha on Nov 15, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I love it too!

This is sports, I’m sure if McDaniels was in need of some help in the real world, Haley would oblige and help him… As far as a HANDSHAKE goes, I think this does nothing but help the rivalry!

by CapnCribbs on Nov 15, 2010 9:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Foe those of you who say they like it

What would you have said about McD if the roles were reversed? Would you have said the same thing? I didn’t think so.

I don't mean to brag, I don't mean to boast, but I'm intercontinental when I eat French Toast.

by craig in calgary on Nov 15, 2010 9:10 AM CST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

+1

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

But McD is an asshole to begin with

so it calls into question what exactly happened to cause Haley to do this, I’m thinking something happened off camera.

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 15, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

HAHA

And Haley is a jolly good great guy.

by kcsno56 on Nov 15, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Did I say he was?

No but on the Assholimeter Haley’s a 5 and McDaniels is a 10.

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 15, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

What crap did he pull?

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Nothing.

As far as I’m concerned, McDaniels > Haley.

At least today I believe that.

I don't mean to brag, I don't mean to boast, but I'm intercontinental when I eat French Toast.

by craig in calgary on Nov 15, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

At least in class.

I remain a Haley fan, though.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd probably laugh it off...

I’ve always said rivals should go for record breaking scores if they can.

Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.

by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 15, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

This is hilarious

Broncos fans are calling him a punk, but I say he isn’t. A punk if you’re going by the real definition would imply he was cowardice, but that is far from the truth. He ran up to MCD refused to shake his hand, wagged a finger, said something than walked away. A Punk would have ignored MCD and ran off like a dog who just pooped in the kitchen.

Who knows Haley’s reasoning behind all that anyways, maybe something happened that was off camera that we didn’t see. Not shaking hands is a pretty serious deal as far as coaches go, I honestly don’t care but many do.

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 15, 2010 9:12 AM CST reply actions  

Curious what Pioli thinks about this

Him and McDaniels used to work together. Too bad we will never know because the CHIEFS will never talk about it.

by dwil2009 on Nov 15, 2010 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

I like it..

at least we know someone’s pride was hurt after the game, and if it reignites a rivalry I don’t mind, I am however looking forward to them being in KC. I have a friend who is a Donks fan and he hasn’t shut up since the first quarter…

by MUChief on Nov 15, 2010 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

I was getting texts

from my friend who is a donkeys fan too in the first quarter. I couldn’t even respond

And the home of the CHIEFS!

by chiefsblondie on Nov 15, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep same here.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Nov 15, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

My boss is a Broncos fan.

Wish I could tell him how I really feel….but I need a job. Lol.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

You have a friend who is a Broncos fan?

Flagged!

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

That hurts,

I guess it’s not really a friend by choice situation. He is my roommate’s friend and I am always sporting some sort of chiefs gear, so naturally the ribbing begins.

by MUChief on Nov 17, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Haley should have shaken his hand.

while he was ripping him a new one. Just bad form and a fiery guy.

But I do love what it does for the rivalry!

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by skunk420 on Nov 15, 2010 9:17 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah.

If he had something to say to him, he could have said it while shaking his hand. No reason to let the organization look classless and whiny, especially when you’re not willing to offer an explanation.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't really care...

it would be interesting to know what Haley said though…

That game made me cringe…

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

by SFLChief on Nov 15, 2010 9:17 AM CST reply actions  

Eh maybe

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by Chris Thorman on Nov 15, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Not maybe

that’s a guarantee that guy was hot all game long

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 15, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually, yes. VERY maybe.

If Charles was 5 yards away, he would’ve left him in.

He was 37 yards down with a couple minutes left.

by kcsno56 on Nov 15, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

We were RUNNING out the clock, Jacksonville couldn't stop us, end of story. I don't think this was..."Hey you were running up the score", it was something else...

…everyone knows McDouche earned his nickname. I would love to know, however right now, the best remedy is to win out at home take a road game and get in the playoffs while the Donks sit at home and watch.

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by crashman6 on Nov 15, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey...

I had no problem with Battle’s TD. But I have no problem with Denver scoring 14 second half points, either.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry.

I was just making a general statement. I didn’t mean to imply anything.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a Haley fan, but

I don’t think those things fit into the “right 53” category. It does not reflect good sportsmanship. The things that Josh did that upset Haley would be made clear but now it will only show up against the Chiefs. It does nothing for public relations except show a cry baby. We got our butts kicked and just need to move on to the next game and not hold grudges. Get even in the next game….

by chiefdan on Nov 15, 2010 9:19 AM CST reply actions  

How's it show a cry baby?

I don’t understand that argument.

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by ExRoyalsFan on Nov 15, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

"Cry baby" though?

C’mon man.

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by ExRoyalsFan on Nov 15, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed, if you want to see "cry baby"

Go watch a Chargers game when they are losing bad – you’ll see about 10 perfect examples of cry babies – and their leader (Rivers) will be the most blatant of all.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

-1000

I don’t care how good he is…..he is a whiny, crybaby. Would rather have a mediocre QB that plays his ass off and shuts his mouth.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's not start ANOTHER Cassel argument.

But….what did he do to lose this game for us yesterday? Yeah…he fumbled…but we were already down 4 TD’s at that point. Yeah…it was when we had no choice to throw…but which of his 400 yards and 4 TD’s made us lose the game?

Cassel has the least amount of INT’s of any starting QB. And….he doesn’t cry like a little bitch like Rivers. I’ll take that.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Cassel argument?

Cassel contributed to the loss by not performing better in all of the Chiefs’ first 3 quarter’s possessions. If the Chiefs offense performed better in the possessions, the Broncos wouldn’t have been able to score as many points because they wouldn’t have had the ball as often. I blame Weis as much as Cassel for the Chiefs’ loss. Of course, Crennel’s defense must be added to the mix. Johnson and Bowe are the only Chiefs that I give kudos to, for the most part. The others played at an average or below for most of the game.

by Flyboy26 on Nov 15, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Cassel didn't run the ball nor did he play defense.

I agree…he missed some throws and took a couple of sacks when he could have thrown the ball away. But….it’s not his fault the running game didn’t work and it’s not his fault that the defense got dominated.

And kudos to Bowe? Sure….but who was throwing him the ball again? You don’t throw for over 400 yards and 4 TD’s in the NFL and play below average.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Cassel had closer to 500 yards....

I never thought that’d happen. Ever.

I eat nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks, and I sh*t nickel.

by SupremeChief on Nov 15, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

How so?
Cassel contributed to the loss by not performing better in all of the Chiefs’ first 3 quarter’s possessions. If the Chiefs offense performed better in the possessions, the Broncos wouldn’t have been able to score as many points because they wouldn’t have had the ball as often.

So…you blame Cassel for part of the loss and because of him the Chiefs offense as a whole didn’t perform well. So it seems like you are blaming Cassel for the entire offenses problems and in turn, it’s his fault the Broncos had the ball so often. Pretty sure I read that right.

So then, the defense giving up all the points was because of the offense not having the ball long enough, which was Cassel’s fault by not performing better. So the Broncos scoring so much was Cassels fault? That’s the way I read it.

I blame Weis as much as Cassel for the Chiefs’ loss. Of course, Crennel’s defense must be added to the mix.

The defense is an afterthought to Weis and Cassel losing the game? That’s what that sounds like to me. Maybe I am wrong.

Johnson and Bowe are the only Chiefs that I give kudos to, for the most part. The others played at an average or below for most of the game.

So….no kudos to Cassel for throwing almost 500 yards and 4 TD’s. He was average or below average…since he was part of “the others.”

Please…tell me where I’ve ignored the content and intent? Explain.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

More like he displayed himself as being an actual man

Men actually stand up for what they believe, and in this instance its refusing to shake the other coach’s hand. Cry Babies go into the corner to sulk by themselves.

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 15, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

"cry baby" might be too strong of words.

Poor sportsmanship is not. Does not reflect well for the Chiefs organization.

by chiefdan on Nov 15, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll give you that...

Low on the sportsmanship totem-pole for sure.

BUT – it wouldn’t have gotten me this riled up if he had shook his hand and berated him the same way he did while pointing the finger.

This actually makes me feel better seeing him do this – cause I’m pissed, and clearly he’s pissed. How many times did Belichick refuse to shake a hand? Just walk on by or never even meet up? I like the fire in Todd Haley – this only makes me like him even more.

I’d give up one of my Christmas gifts if I could get a transcript of what was said.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Me too! Someone has to be able to read his lips....
I’d give up one of my Christmas gifts if I could get a transcript of what was said.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree with your "BUT"

Could have shook with one hand and pointed with the other and berated him. Then he would have come out of it looking much better.

by chiefdan on Nov 15, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

In no way, shape, or form was Haley being a "crybaby."

I have more respect for the man now. He stood up for what he believed in…no matter what anyone else thinks. I like it and I bet his players do too.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I love it!!

Nobody knows why he didn’t shake his hand so stop with the guessing! It was obviously something that Haley felt strongly about and i’m guessing that the players felt the same! This was a strange game from the start. This was the Chiefs second west coast road division game in a row and the Donks were coming off of their bye and rested. I love the Rivalry and cant wait to be at Arrowhead for the Denver game. I am coming all the way from Phoenix to watch them win. I love that we will have some extra fire for these games!

by Zane29 on Nov 15, 2010 9:21 AM CST reply actions  

No handshake is not in the Lamar Hunt lexicon,

so Haley should have girded the loins and shook.

What did Haley say?
From the picture it’s clear one of those words looks to start with “sh”.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Nov 15, 2010 9:23 AM CST reply actions  

I like it. Even though it seems to be getting blown way out of proportion.

It adds a lot to the rivalry too. McDouche ran up the score, challenged plays when they were up by 30, and their players were taking some cheap shots while up more than 3-4 scores. I wouldn’t shake his hand either.

Still don’t think it’s something to be up in arms over though…but it would be nice to know what he said.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 9:24 AM CST reply actions  

After Mays' hit on Moeaki...

…I think this had everything to do with the WAY McDaniels had his team playing & acting with the game well out of reach. Mays was attempting to seriously injure Mo on the onside kick and it was the icing on the cake as far as unsportsmanlike conduct from McDaniels and his team on the day. Unlike the other “hits” that the league is fining players for, Mays’ hit looked 110% intentional. He should be fined & suspended.

There’s a lot of history between the Parcells/Belicheck/Pioli/Weis/Crennel/Haley crew and what seem like some hotshots like McDaniels & Mangini, so it’s tough to say what kind of bad blood exists, but I’ll side with Todd anyway, and that’s not because I’m a Chiefs fan – it’s because he’s proved to all of us that he’s committed to doing things for the right reasons, so I’m sure he had them for this.

Either way, I fucking love Haley for this!

by HTrayne on Nov 15, 2010 9:25 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

If they do it...BOOOO

If we do it….HURRAY

This is more bush league than making players sleep in twin sized beds. Grow up and be the bigger man. Pissed about him running up the score? How about trying to stop them?

I don’t comment on this site for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it. I comment for the people that have always believed in me. I comment for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that.

by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 15, 2010 9:27 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Speculation is that Denver was running up the score...

much like we did against San Fran. Don’t like it? Play defense. This isn’t some Pop Warner everyone gets to feel good about themselves and gets a juice box bullshit. Be a pro.

I don’t comment on this site for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it. I comment for the people that have always believed in me. I comment for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that.

by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 15, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the speculation is wrong

Denver only scored 14 points in the 2nd half. It’s not like they put up an extra 30 and kept on going. You can’t possibly expect them to stop scoring after 35… and if they had, they only would have won by 6 – not a margin to feel safe about.

I think it has everything to do with the method and approach. Something douchey is at the core of this whole episode. The handshake comes down to respect and there is apparently a pretty hefty imbalance there. Maybe it’s the fact that I don’t have a lot of respect for McD that allows me to so easily write this off.

Again – how many times has Belichick refused to shake a hand? I know he’s not the only one that has done it. So calm down before you relegate Haley to Pop Warner detail.

Would it have been more “professional” and “sportsman-like” for him to do it? You bet your ass.
Do I care? Not one damn bit.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

If he wouldn't have shook his hand

I would not have a problem with it.

I would prefer he mans up and shakes his hand, but whatever.

I have a problem going out there and pointing your finger at him and making a spectacle of it. Makes him look like a whiny little kid and accomplishes nothing.

That BS about it supposed to have been a ‘private moment’ get the F out of here, he knows that everyone will see it.

by kcsno56 on Nov 15, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

If there was something wrong...

with Denver’s “method and approach,” why doesn’t Haley share that with the rest of us? Instead, the national media is making the assumption that he was whining about them running up the score.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't dispute that

This would all be a totally different discussion if we knew why Haley did what he did.

Until then, the madness that is this debate will continue… for a short while at least.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

HIV just ahtes the organization. He's been bitching from the get go.

He always finds something to complain about.

"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."

by crashman6 on Nov 15, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Nah, he's just different... and we need different

Can’t all be spouting the same thing here like we’re some sort of cult that everyone has to be in lock-step with 100% of the time.

Though you are talking about the guy who tried to get several Chiefs players to get high with him at an NBA game during a bye week a few years back. That is fairly subversive. :)

He still watches the game each week, and cheers when we don’t suck and gets pissed when we do.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Sums up my thoughts as well.

by kcsno56 on Nov 15, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree with this

I think not shaking McD’s hand made Haley appear the petty one. I don’t like it.

by Chief_Elmo on Nov 15, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

What people aren’t getting is that all the negative vibe is being directed at Haley, not McHoodie and the Broncos. So if he wanted to make a point, he did a piss-poor job of it.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Haley Rocks!

The way Mays was headhunting all game, coupled with all of that bullshit hand in the face waving by every Donk player, I think Haley was a lot more composed than most of us would have been.

My son was born an hour after Glenn Dorsey was drafted - and yes, I watched the draft from the hospital.

by CDN Chief on Nov 15, 2010 9:31 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

What was that about?

The hand in the face thing?

Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.

by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 15, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

No idea...

But I thought it was funny when Bowe did it back after his first TD.

My son was born an hour after Glenn Dorsey was drafted - and yes, I watched the draft from the hospital.

by CDN Chief on Nov 15, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

John Cena U Can't see Me

No big deal. Denver deserved to do whatever they wanted. They schooled us.
Haley, OTOH, came off looking like a classless whiner, and that is completely out of character for him. I’m disappointed in him for the 1st time since his hire.

by dablueguy on Nov 15, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Haley should have shook his hand...

…squeezed really hard, and not let go until he said what he wanted.

Then this wouldn’t be an issue.

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by Mikestars65 on Nov 15, 2010 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

Or the old Ric Flair move...

shake his hand and kick him in the gut. Hold McDouchebag in the figure four until he’s crying for daddy Belechick to save his ass.

Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.

by Randy5225 on Nov 15, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I would've been even happier to see Haley punch him in the mouth

the two of them make a good matchup, should be a good fight

Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.

by Randy5225 on Nov 15, 2010 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

And don't expect a beat down in the rematch

How often do the Chiefs destroy the Donks or Raiders at home? Rarely.

Huge Dino Hackett fan.

by Mikestars65 on Nov 15, 2010 9:35 AM CST reply actions  

And how often do they get destroyed on the road?

When they have a good team, that is?

Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.

by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 15, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Unless Haley offers up an explanation (and I seriously doubt he will)…then I’ll consider it a classless move.

Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Nov 15, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Not once scenario huh?

Does a handshake mean anything to you? I’m not going to shake the hand of a guy I don’t respect.

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by ExRoyalsFan on Nov 15, 2010 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Not one scenario

It doesn’t matter what the issue is. Showing class is doing the right thing despite your emotions and feelings. It speaks of a lack of maturity to me. Not shaking his hand doesn’t say anything about the other individual, but it speaks volumes about you. It is a tradition in sports that has gone on forever. It is the prime example of sportsmanship in all levels of athletics. It’s not a symbol that shows how much you respect the other person, but more so the game itself.

by Detroit Buckets on Nov 15, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

You do, in my book.

You’re not only representing yourself…but your team, organization, and city. You grit your teeth, shake the man’s hand, and go on.

Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Nov 15, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree and it looks like right now so do 67% of other Chiefs fans.

Haley had his reason(s) and is sticking by it. He doesn’t owe any explanation to anyone but his players.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Character

None of us know the exact reason as to why Haley did what he did. But to me it’s the definition of Character. Sometimes it’s doing the right thing even when it’s the unpopular thing to do. I know several will disagree with me here but hear me out. I believe Haley didn’t shake hands for reasons other than the score. There was something there that made him decide to do the “unpopular” thing and not shake hands. He stood up for what he believed. I don’t think it was a winey or being outclassed thing. It was something completely different. We all sit here and judge from an outsiders perspective and “guess” why he didn’t shake. Who are we to judge. We know none of the facts behind the decision.

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by tlback20 on Nov 15, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Kudos to you tlback20

This comment was, by far, the best one that I’ve read on this issue.

by Flyboy26 on Nov 15, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Right.

Nobody’s saying anything about McHoodie today. All they’re talking about is Haley and what he did(n’t) do. So exactly what was accomplished by not shaking his hand? It didn’t make McHoodie look bad; it only made Haley look bad. (At least to the non Kool-Aid drinkers.)

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

What's the point of shaking hands if you do it no matter what?

The hand shake means absolutely nothing if it’s always done in any circumstance. It has to be a choice to mean anything at all. As a rational and objective person, I have to withhold judgment until when/if I know why he refused the hand shake.

by VermeilLikesToCry on Nov 15, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I liked it

There were a lot of cheap shots going on in that game from the Broncs…I was at the game. There was one hit where the guy went straight for JC’s head and nothing was called. Also, sitting there watching, it was odd early in the game how the Broncs D was in perfect position to stop a lot of our plays and the their O had the right play called it seemed every time. It was almost like they knew what we had called offensively and defensively. Call me crazy but something just didn’t feel right as I sat there watching. Plus the replay “not working” early on and there were a couple of angles i saw on the big board there that looked like the ground helped him catch the ball. Again, the whole feel of the game wasn’t right.

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by tlback20 on Nov 15, 2010 9:42 AM CST reply actions  

spygate

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by ExRoyalsFan on Nov 15, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

That's what I've been turning over in my mind.

The idea that they may have cheated.

This is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.

by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Nov 15, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

The score is not the issue.

Haley was pissed about the hits his players were taking. JC took a cheapshot in last season’s game in Denver and I saw two more directed at him on Sunday. Haley has to take up for his players if he feels this is intentional. Targeting the same player twice in two seasons could lead one to believe the hits were intentional.

by chief66 on Nov 15, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

And you know this... how?

Haley’s not saying anything. If Denver did something wrong, he should have the balls to tell everyone about it. Refusing a handshake puts the spotlight on himself, not on McHoodie and the Broncos.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Haley doesn't owe anyone an explanation but his players.

I’d much rather have a head coach with some balls that stands up for his players and for what he believes in, even if it isn’t the “popular” thing to do.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

When did he stand up for his players?

If he wants to stand up for his players, refusing a handshake with no explanation why is not exactly the best way to go about it.

And I disagree that he doesn’t owe anyone but the players an explanation. He represents the entire Chiefs organization and the city, not just the players.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure he explained it to the players, and ownership, and those in the Chiefs org. that needed/deserved an explanation...

If he’s standing up for them, then he damn well should have at least. To the people that matter most in this scenario – I’m assuming it has been made as plain as day. If we come to find out that he kept it all to himself after that little interaction, then yes, that is foolish.

He doesn’t owe me an explanation, he’s not standing up for me.

I would like an explanation because I am nosy and like gossip and this is an interesting story. But clearly I don’t always get what I want.

Not to mention that this isn’t over – he might come out later and explain what happened. Maybe this just isn’t the time or place… maybe he’s still cooling down. We just aren’t privy to all of the details and information here… which is why it’s such a buzz right now.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed 1000000000000% -

Best take I’ve read!

"We're making progress, that's the key thing." - Todd Haley

by chiefsfan62 on Nov 15, 2010 12:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Then he should have the ball to tell everyone.
head coach with some balls that stands up for his players and for what he believes in

He half-balled it yesterday.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 15, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Everyone gets their ass kicked in sports

and it doesn’t bother them as much as you think. But teams who take cheapshots at one of your best players will piss you off everytime. Is points scored not one of the tie-breaking scenarios? I don’t know, but if it is then teams just have to deal with teams putting up big numbers in a game.

The spotlight is only on Haley b/c some people feel protocol is more important than player health. The cheapshots on Charles could unnecessarily end his career and nothing Haley did jeopardized anyone’s health.

by chief66 on Nov 15, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

If Denver was taking cheapshots, why wouldn't Haley state that?

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Because it's not for the public

I know that he’ll say it to his players. JC got lit up illegally twice… Moeaki once very late in the game. Haley was sticking up for his players… perceived the headhunting order either came from the top or at least wasn’t being dealt with in a proper fashion. and he didnt shake hands. Big deal.

That is what’s classless. Junior hoody needs to control his players. This is going to be a short lived coaching rivalry anyways. Jr. hoody will be gone in less than two seasons.

by Ozarks on Nov 15, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'll play your game. Why would he? To make you feel better?

To make the city feel bettter? For the media? How about for the children?

If you have not been paying attention, concussions and the type of head-hunting that is going on in the league is causing a small PR problem for the NFL. Have you not ever worked for an org. who speaks candidly among themselves, but will never utter in public what they do in private? This is what is going on now in the league. The NFL is dealing with these matters behind closed doors and the league does not want coaches displaying the dirty laundry at their press conferrences.

by chief66 on Nov 15, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

At first, I was pretty disappointed.

But I think there’s more to this than we, the fans, are privy to. Additionally, the more I think about it, the more I like it. It reminds me of when Marty used to give his hate-filled speeches about the Broncos and Raiders. I believe he truly hates those teams, and it’s kind of cool that Haley is that fired up.

This is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.

by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Nov 15, 2010 9:45 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I think there could be a situation

where this would be justified, but I saw nothing Sunday that rose to that level.

As to “crybaby,” that’s certainly the way it’s being taken in the media I’ve seen so far. I’m not sure they’re wrong. Is there a difference between crybaby and sore loser?

“Boo Hoo you kicked my team’s butt and didn’t stop. I’ll show you. I’ll not shake your hand. Oh, I know! I’ll wag my finger at you. That will teach you.”

Seemed low class/ boo hoo-ish to me. Man up and take your lumps, then give them theirs next time.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 15, 2010 9:45 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I don't get 'crybaby' out of it

I do agree with you that it may have been better to just avoid McDaniel and deal with the issue when the come to Arrowhead in a few weeks.

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by ExRoyalsFan on Nov 15, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree with you, NJ

Regardless of his reasoning…it looks bad on Haley, and the team.

Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Nov 15, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

The hit to JC's head in this game

and being slammed on his shoulder in last season’s game would be enough for me to not shake the SOB’s hand. It may look to Haley like the donkeys are targeting JC b/c of last season’s butt whipping he put on them. So he may have just taken up for his players. If that is what he was doing then good for him.

by chief66 on Nov 15, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Then he should come out and say that.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I am sure he explained himself to the players.

That’s all he needs to do.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

No

Haley represents more than the players. He represents the entire organization, the city, and the fans.

Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Nov 15, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Haley doesn't represent Kansas City. He represents the Chiefs.

He doesn’t owe ‘the city’ an explanation.

@RaiderHater86 on Twitter

by ExRoyalsFan on Nov 15, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Really?

Because I kinda’ thought we were the ones filling the stands on Sunday.

Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Nov 15, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not from KC and I fill up a seat.

He doesn’t owe me any explanation. He’s the head coach and I am not. It was his decision and not mine. I respect him more for it and we’ll see how the players respond.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

He may do that.

But not in the media b/c it would be a distraction to his young team. Take it up with the league, which is the best place to handle it now.

by chief66 on Nov 15, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Only if they are paying attention. They got their ass kicked on sunday

and are probably not the mood to see the lowlights of this game. Maybe they are moving on to next weeks game and not reading the paper or watching the tv.

by chief66 on Nov 15, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I will take Haley standing up for his players and for what he believes in.

In this day and age, a handshake means nothing. But it’s a sign of respect and gratitude. McDouche deserved neither after allowing his players to take cheap shot after cheap shot on JC, Moeaki, and I am sure there were others. They were intentional and McDouche didn’t put a stop to it.

I have more respect for Haley for what he did than had he been like the spineless Werm and smiled and shook his hand and said “good game.” I bet his players have more respect for him too, and it seems like the majority of Chiefs fans agree.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Except he didn't stand up for crap.

He refuses to say why, leaving his motivation up to speculation, which has left most of the media assuming he was whining about running up the score. So exactly what did he accomplish?

If he thinks Denver played dirty, he should man up and let his feelings known.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

When?

Were you in the locker room?

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Were you.

Were you on the field. Josh is known as McDouche for a reason. Handhake? Shit this is the pro’s not Pop Warner. The only cry babies I see here ar ethe ones pissing and moaning about a handshake. Haley had a reason we don’t and won’t know why, but I will give OUR coach the benefit of the doubt.

"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."

by crashman6 on Nov 15, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

That's my point.

We don’t know why, so all the people (most of the media, and non-Chiefs fans) who think he was whining about Denver running up the score have just as valid an opinion as anyone else.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

He should.

What he does is a reflection on the entire organization.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Again - I think we're missing the point with the "running up the score" argument

They won by 20 – not what I consider a “running up the score” deficit. If they had bet us 55 to 14 and put up 20 in the 4th quarter, then ok.

They scored 14 in the 2nd half of the game – again, not what I usually consider running up the score.

Something else is at the root of this and I don’t think it’s the score. If for some reason it is, I don’t think it is the only reason.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow, someone from Jersey talking about class. Bwhaahahahahaha!

"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."

by crashman6 on Nov 15, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That's

probably the most insightful and well thought out reply I’ve ever read here.

Thanks for your input. Rec’d.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 15, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

That was a classy reply.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I like it

Screw Mcdonkey ______ enter explicit here haha 3 weeks Denver just 3

by Supersexy on Nov 15, 2010 9:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Challenged call

Late in the game from McDouchechills was ridiculous and a bit of sportsmanship. Also, I got the feeling that the Donks players were going a little over the top on Charles all day. Maybe it had to do with his big game last year. There will be some fines from the Donks performance yesterday. I would be really pissed if he had gotten hurt.

by Zane29 on Nov 15, 2010 9:49 AM CST reply actions  

I see it both ways.

It was very out-of-character for Haley. Even though he’s emotional and wears his heart on his sleeve, he’s usually still pretty classy in the traditional sense. Which makes me believe there must have been a STRONG reason for him to act like this. And I can see Chris’s line of thinking in that it’s good for the rivalry and all.

However, I’ve always really like Todd Haley, but it’s hard for me to be proud of a move like that. It just kind of rubs me the wrong way, because it’s not only out of character for Haley, it’s out of character for the Chiefs and “they way they do things” as they say. I don’t like the way McD handles a lot of things, and to me, it was kind of sinking to his level, even if it was warranted.

Not completely sure what to think of it, however, it will be a non-story by next week, so….whatev.

by jbj8609 on Nov 15, 2010 9:50 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think it will be a non-issue by next week....

This hatred will continue so long as both coaches are with these teams.

@RaiderHater86 on Twitter

by ExRoyalsFan on Nov 15, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Well...
He remembered that the Chiefs didn’t let up that entire game either.

Not quite. Jamaal Charles got benched before he broke the single game record.

I’m not sure what the deal was, but I don’t think Haley was mad at him for throwing the ball. There was something else going on, IMO.

Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.

by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 15, 2010 9:51 AM CST reply actions  

I hate the Broncos so much

I have 0 respect for that ass clown McDaniel’s.

Glad Haley gave him the respect that i think he deserves. Broncos have ALWAYS been a dirty team. I mean STINK played for them. Dude used to put shit on him. literally shit on his hands an jersey to mess with opponents. They have ALWAYS been notorious for chop blocks an going at players knees. I have no respect for that organization. Less than even the Raiders.

Would ya like a free NANAA!

by Jazzy Megalodon on Nov 15, 2010 9:52 AM CST reply actions  

agreed.

Ever seen the movie Green Street Hooligans? That's how I feel about my Chiefs.

by zyker on Nov 15, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Agree with every thing you said. I think Haley has earned more respect from his players by standing up for them.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Nov 15, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha! This is a football game we're talking about...

Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Nov 15, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

So...

Not shaking a man’s hand after a football game does not compare to not shaking someone’s hand because they killed people.

Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Nov 15, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

As someone who has been to war and back.

No. Football is not a war.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Metaphorically speaking, ok, but that is not an apples to apples comparison you made

(I can’t believe I’m making this argument)

This just isn’t the same thing. You do realize you used Haley and McDaniels in a comparison to FDR and Hitler?

Not only that – but it is not customary to shake hands with the enemy during a war.

“Well troops, the clock says 00:00, time to lay down your weapons while I go across the battlefield and shake the hands of the opposing general. Nice battle there general, you killed 40,000 of my guys, but I respect you so here’s a good hand-shake to let you know how good of a sportsman I am.”

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Really?

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow, Godwin's Law has made it to AP!

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

This really pisses me off.

66% approve of this garbage?
How does everyone call McDaniels every name under the book, when it’s clear that he outclassed Haley.

The Chiefs were embarassed, and Haley just made it worse by showing that he still has a long way to go before he’s concidered a real head coach. What exactly waranted this? They ran up the score? The Chiefs were still trying to score when the game was already decided, so it’s ok for the Chiefs to keep trying, but the Bronco’s can’t? Give me a freaking break. And were these teh same 66% who were jumping down Singletary’s throat for the final drive? How is what the Chiefs did any different?

My God. Everyone here says that AP has the best fans, and best contributers. Well not today we don’t.
Haley should be ashamed of himself. If he wan’ts a rivalry, prepare your team because they were clearly not prepared.

I don't mean to brag, I don't mean to boast, but I'm intercontinental when I eat French Toast.

by craig in calgary on Nov 15, 2010 10:12 AM CST reply actions  

and you're ok with all the broncos cheap shots?

how are you going to feel next week if moeaki is out b/c of a concussion? What if the hits on charles were more serious than they were? you are OK with broncos intentionally trying to hurt our players?? That is about as classless as I get. I think it shows Haley’s character to not put up with that shit.

by chiefsfan83 on Nov 15, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

+1

Haley stood up for his players even though he probably knew there would be people out there bashing him for this. He stood up for his players rather than save face and shake McDouche’s hand. I respect him for standing up for what he thought was right, whether or not I agree or disagree.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't be mad dude...

I hate the Donkeys so I approve. You don’t approve but Canadians rock anyway. Difference of opinions. I can’t stand anyone in our division and maybe Im a poor loser by nature but I couldn’t of cared less if he bitch smacked McD to wipe that shit eatin’ grin off of his face. Not everyone always takes the high road.

by JCharlesFan on Nov 15, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok

Did you ever play or do your kids? . I don’t believe that Haley was mad about the score. If you watched the game, and i’m assuming you did, you should have seen what he was obviously upset about. He is the leader of these men and wanted to get a point across. One voice for the team and that should do it. Score didn’t matter one bit! My respect for Haley is growing.

by Zane29 on Nov 15, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Agreed.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude... how many times did we get smoked by San Diego last year?

Let me check…. oh yeah, BOTH of those games.

In both of those we got crushed by a differential worse than this game (30 in the first game and 29 in the 2nd). If I remember correctly, Haley shook Norv’s hand on both occasions.

Something else is at the root of this, or at least was adding fuel to the fire of the score.

And I really didn’t give a crap about Singletary trying to score. Sure I wanted the shut-out, but big whoop. I guess other people cared about that.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

There's was definitely

something weird about the game.
Its obvious that they didn’t run the score up. Look at the second half score card.

Arthur Bryants: Rib Tips and Fries with a Red Soda, please. Oh, and don't forget the 'Sweet Berry #29 Sauce' and the 'McCluster-Fukin-Eh-Thats HOT!' sauce.

by MtnChiefsFan on Nov 15, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

What really pisses me off is when protocol takes precedent over player health

The hit JC took last year and got two more from the same team this year seems a little more than coincidence. Mays looking from any red helment to put his shoulder in is way out of bounds. McDaniels didn’t deserve a handshake.

But I do agree with you that Haley should have handled the situation better. He should have a called a running play directed at Mays, which would have two OL, 1 TE, 1 FB and running back all taking a shot a Mays and any other Bronco who got in the way. But Haley is probably like many of us (myself included) who don’t want to see folks unnecessarily hurt and would rather tell McD off after the game.

by chief66 on Nov 15, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I voted I don't care - and I don't

The post game handshake has been skipped by many coaches many times. The fact that Haley bothered to approach McD. and shake a finger at him tells me that TH was upset about something – what that something is I and you don’t know. Nor will we probably ever know. I can make all sorts of assumptions as many of you are but I chose to not care.
Calling TH classless for it – that’s your opinion and I respect that you have it but I don’t have to agree.

by tybme on Nov 15, 2010 10:30 AM CST reply actions  

I think it has to do with something else

Either challenging the TD when they were already up by a significant amount of points, or by playing a guy who got a DUI just days before. Sure D.J. Williams didn’t do much anyways, but it doesn’t show a lot of character to play a guy who made such a terrible decision.

by satirical duck on Nov 15, 2010 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

Classless? Yep.

Raiders fan here. I don’t consider myself a troll, because I’ve come on to this site in the past and posted very complementary things about the Chiefs. I actually picked them to beat Denver (my pocket book is not thanking me for that).

With that being said, Haley acted like a crybaby. He got his ass beat and refused to act like a good sport. Denver called off the dogs late, and didn’t even kick the FG that would have given them 50+ points. Just like the Raiders called off the dogs after scoring 59 in three quarters in Denver.

You people love calling McDaniels a baby, etc, etc. Maybe look at your own coach.

Out.

by YouWin,Chiefs on Nov 15, 2010 10:58 AM CST reply actions  

He was the opposite of a crybaby

Babies go into the corner to sulk, Haley went right up to his ass and refused the Handshake. Maybe a lack of sportsmanship true, buy being a Baby NO.

by ChiefWarPaint on Nov 15, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

“Raiders fan here.”

/stops reading

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Astute point.

Sound logic.

In any case, it will certainly spark a rivalry between those franchises. Should be fun to watch.

by YouWin,Chiefs on Nov 15, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

He's only echoing what pretty much everyone else is saying...

except for some Chiefs fans.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry...

I don’t take the polls on here remotely seriously.

There was a poll two weeks ago about which was the best 5-2 team in the AFC, and the Chiefs won.

If you put up a poll of who would you rather save from a fire, your mom/wife/kid or Pioli, I’m pretty confident Pioli would win.

by kcsno56 on Nov 15, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but you don't know my mom/wife/kid.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Nov 15, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I was just taking a dig at a Raiders fan. FWIW I have no problem with the non-handshake.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Nov 15, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

When have we called McDaniels a baby?

I can’t say I’ve seen a single post in all my years where we called him a baby. Please point me in the right direction if you can find one… on AP or S&BP for that matter.

I can find about 150 posts calling Rivers and LT a baby… nothing on McDaniels.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Cool. Thanks for keeping a tally on that.

Fine, I guess I was paraphrasing.

Rather than crybaby, you call him things like:
-16-year old in a man’s body
-McDouche
-McDouchebag

But thanks for your precision in rebutting my post.

by YouWin,Chiefs on Nov 15, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Well... you said Haley was being a baby

Sure we’ve called McDaniels a lot of things. I’m sure we’ve also heaped some kind words upon your man Cable and we damn sure have said disparaging things about Al Davis. But that’s a bit different than calling them a crybaby.

Call Haley a douche, I’m fine with that. I just don’t really think this was an example of being a crybaby. He went face to face and had some choice words… so he didn’t shake his hand, oh well. He’d have been more of a baby if he didn’t go out at all, or even if he “touched hands” and didn’t say a word while tears were welling up in his eyes because mean ole McDaniels beat him in a game of pigskin.

You want to see someone being a baby – watch Rivers kick the ball when they’re losing. Go watch the Miami game yesterday and see Brandon Marshall throw the football in frustration because he’s not getting enough passes thrown his way (in a game his team won, no less).

Don’t tell me that a coach going straight up to someone and getting verbal with them is being a baby just because he didn’t shake his hand. Come fu#king on.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Nicely stated points. Sorry if I was being a little sarcastic a few minutes ago.

Anyway, I’m not sure what to make of Rivers.

My thoughts:
1) As a Raiders fan, I would KILL to have Rivers on my team (oops.. don’t tell my parole officer)
2) I think Rivers is more of a “Red-Ass” than a “Baby.” He’s an ultracompetitive guy who doesn’t tolerate losing.

But I’m sure it can come across as whining.

My least favorite coach in the NFL? Coach Singletary. GREAT player. Sad coach.

by YouWin,Chiefs on Nov 15, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

No worries...

and it really pains me to say this too, if Rivers were a Chief I would probably stand behind him with pleasure (as long as the wins came too). He has an ugly delivery (looks like he’s throwing shot) and goes nuts from time to time – but man is he accurate and usually makes good decisions.

I don’t know if I have a least favorite coach. Tough call on Singletary… great player and I thought he was actually a good D Coord before taking HC duties. So I’d say he’s just not a good HC.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

As for Cassell

I’m surprised you guys villify him so much. Granted, he’s no Joe Montana. Not even a Rich Gannon. But he’s a decent quarterback.

I think he would get blamed if the team catering tray shows up late.

by YouWin,Chiefs on Nov 15, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL
I think he would get blamed if the team catering tray shows up late.

The sad part it, some Chiefs fans would.

He made some bad plays, but who in their right mind has a QB who throws for almost 500 yards and 4 TD’s and still trys to put the loss on him? Sadly….some Chiefs fans.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm actually a Cassel supporter

I’ll admit I almost lost my shit yesterday in the first quarter and the words “Brodie Croyle” came out of my mouth more than once (as well as countless f-bombs and s-bombs).

That being said, I’m not ready to call it quits on him yet. I probably would have flipped out if we had Aaron Rogers and he had the first quarter that Cassel did yesterday.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

i dont like it

It won’t let me participate in the pole fr/my mobile. I think he shoulda shook his hand. He need to hit the track and run till he’s sick and get his mind right….you lead by example. He’s getting an F there and it has to effect his players and his relationship with them…. I mean do you respect your coach. Chiefs players?!?

by SeeNred on Nov 15, 2010 11:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

i dont like it

It won’t let me participate in the pole fr/my mobile. I think he shoulda shook his hand. He need to hit the track and run till he’s sick and get his mind right….you lead by example. He’s getting an F there and it has to effect his players and his relationship with them…. I mean do you respect your coach. Chiefs players?!?

by SeeNred on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

calling haley a cry baby...really?

no one knows what actually happened

in my limited time around nfl teams, I can tell you I saw things go down FAR differently than many thought they did….Haley may have just wanted to get the team fired up and the rivalry going…we dont know…he may have had a cold

but to assume one thing…is no worse than assuming another

so you all peg haley as some bad person, Ill believe that we never heard the audio, we never got the real explanation…

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Nov 15, 2010 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

The right way to do things.

It’s just my opinion but, Haley let his emotions get the better of him and didn’t do the right thing. It sets a bad example for those who he’s trying to lead. What can he say to his players now about “sucking it up and getting on the field and doing what they’re told?”

If he wanted to make a statement, he should have clamped McDaniels’ hand in a death grip, stood tall over him, and gave him an earful.

I love what it does as far as firing up the rivalry. But, again, there’s a right way to do things. Our complete lack of effectiveness against a mediocre team should be enough to light a fire under our players’ asses.

The head coach should maintain the same level of professionalism that he expects from his players.

I believe in the Chiefs' Way. Someday, we will set the standard for how to be a championship team!

by Face Painter on Nov 15, 2010 11:56 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Todd Haley does not fir the Right 53

/gag

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Nov 15, 2010 12:18 PM CST reply actions  

just saw this on kctv 5

Disappointing coming from someone who preaches high character. I bet he shook Haleys hand last year.

The climate has changed once again.

Maybe it was to take some of the publicity off of this terrible performance. Either way we are better than that.. or I thought we were at least

what just happened?

by ArrowheadHunter on Nov 15, 2010 12:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

This whole thing is getting overblown

If Haley was overreacting I’m sure he’ll apologize to McDaniels and it will blow over. If he had a legit reason to be ticked, then he won’t and it builds in the next game.

I’m also starting to wonder if Haley isn’t taking a technique that basketball coaches and baseball managers use all the time. They get into it with the refs/umps and opposing coaches to help build a fire under their teams. Well, this team looks like they need something to fire them up, so Haley may have grasped (or refused to grasp) the opportunity to play that card.

Have Belichek and Mangini ever shaken hands? I recall all the coverage where they didn’t. And I remember when Reeves pulled a Haley on John Mackovic, the Chiefs coach. It happens in this league.

Why are all the comments in bold at the bottom of this thread? Did someone screw up the formatting?

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx

by Big Chief on Nov 15, 2010 12:32 PM CST reply actions  

It's one thing to not shake hands.

It’s another to walk up to the opposing coach and wag your finger while he’s extending his hand for a handshake. I don’t recall ever seeing that. If Haley would have just immediately ran into the locker room, I don’t think much would have been made over it. He made it a big deal in the way he went about “not shaking hands.”

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

So it's not just the not shaking hands?

Its the way he went about not shaking hands? Not only is there a protocol for shaking hands, but there is one for not shaking hands now?

I can’t keep up with this.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that's what I said, yeah.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but

that would have pissed ME off more than what he did. I would have given him a big “crybaby” strike for taking his ball and going home.

At least he had the C.O. Jones to go up and let it fly.

You know what? I’m surprised that McDaniel hasn’t leaked out what was said to him. Maybe it was something pretty detrimental to the Broncos and that’s why McD isn’t talking. If Haley just came up and said some shit about running up the score, you think McD would have blabbed that by now – “oh, he was just upset that we put up 49 on him, yada yada”.

If Haley said “your players were blatantly trying to hurt mine and I’ll make you eat a shit sandwich when you come to KC” then that’s not something you’d want to get out on either side.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Or maybe McHoodie is just taking the high road.

Since nobody is talking, all we can do is speculate.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I knew this was going to get blown out of proportion

ESPN is even talking about it.

People need to get over it. I for one voted that I approved of it, but simply because I admit I’m a sore loser and can be a jerk, so I almost kinda liked seeing our HC act human and not necessarily take the high road.

Either way, no one knows exactly why he didn’t shake his hand. Who knows, come tomorrow we could find out why and 99% of us would say it was a good move. We’ll probably never know though. Oh well…

by Tyran on Nov 15, 2010 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

I will take Todd Haley and his approach over what we had before.

Herm wouldn’t have ever had the balls to stand up for his players.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 1:04 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Again...

How do you know he was standing up for his players?

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

And how do you know he wasn't?

I think it was more of a generalized statement that we know Haley is the type to stand up for them when the Werm didn’t seem to have a backbone in his body.

by Tyran on Nov 15, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't.

Which is why I’m not making such assumptions.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry if you’ve said it elsewhere in the thread but do have a theory as to why he didn’t shake McDaniels’ hand?

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Nov 15, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Lots of theories.

But it’s all speculation, since nobody is talking. I wouldn’t have a problem with it, if Haley offered a good explanation. As it is, he’s coming off real bad in the press and to fans of other teams, because most are assuming he was whining about running up the score. That’s probably not the reason, but given the absence of information, I don’t blame people for speculating along those lines.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I see he has apologized. However, since many people felt that the reason would dictate whether or not he was justified I still don’t see how this is put to rest.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Nov 15, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the issue will now have a 24 hour cycle.

At least nationally. I’m sure Chiefs and Broncos fans won’t soon forget it, but at least the rest of the nation can now move on. I’m already sick of hearing about it on sports talk radio. Sadly, the Chiefs have gotten more coverage out of this than they have all season. And it’s not real positive coverage.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well don’t expect KC to ever get any love from ESPN and the like. Seems like only things like this elementary school stuff gets coverage if you aren’t the NYG or Steelers.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Nov 15, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe we will all know what happened

Pioli might make him issue an apology. It’ll probably be your average, “I screwed up, I’m sorry, it was poor judgement on my part and made the organization look bad, etc etc.”
I was always taught to shake hands no matter the out come of the game, so I think it was a poor decision on his part, but I will say I’ve always respected him as a coach and he probably has a good reason for doing what he did. I think it has more to do with the sideline celebrations the Broncos were having or the headhunting their linebackers were doing, but in any case, it should make for some drama on Dec. 5.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 15, 2010 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

boooooo....

well, an apology has been issued.

Here’s the AP article – I’m sure more details will come.

by Ochophosphate on Nov 15, 2010 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

Pretty sure he didn't have a choice.

No other option, especially if the order to apologize came from Don Pioli.

Haley got his point across though. Bring on the Broncos at Arrowhead.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

and as far as Donkey fans saying McDaniels is classy and Haley isn't

McDaniels had a player in the game fresh off a DUI arrest. Sure, he was fined and didn’t start the game, but I believe he was in when the Chiefs made their second offensive play from scrimmage.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Nov 15, 2010 1:28 PM CST reply actions  

I'm glad Haley was pissed.

I don’t expect him to take losing well. Or would you rather have an “aw shucks” coach like Wade Phillips? Hopefully the team takes on the coach’s personality. He should have sent Shaun Smith over there to shake hands with McDaniels’ crotch!

by BGiZZY on Nov 15, 2010 1:35 PM CST reply actions  

Exactly

I’m all for being classy, but I also like emotion in this case. It’s a game, it’s okay to be emotional.

Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.

by jmcgoblue on Nov 15, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

He should be pissed at his own team first.

They laid the egg, not the Broncos.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

people, it's a phucking football game

It’s not like the US president refused to shake hands with some foreign leader.

Personally, I like it. I like the fact that Haley is so pissed off by being embarrassed like that, and I hope it rubs off on the team. As Joel says, it just adds to the rivalry. I’m REALLY looking forward to the game in three weeks.

Does anyone remember the whole Bill B. vs Mangini thing a few years ago?

Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.

by jmcgoblue on Nov 15, 2010 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

Thank you.

I think the complaining about him not shaking hands is more evidence of the national pussification that’s going on.

I’d also like to thank George Carlin for introducing me to that word.

by Tyran on Nov 15, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

For telling the truth about how we’ve become a nation full of whiny, sissy crybabies. Aww….they didn’t shake hands….booo freaking hooo.

And for the George Carlin reference.

Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven

by GetRight on Nov 15, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't we all just get along?

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 15, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

JMcD: “Good Game Coach”
Haley “F*CK You..I’ll see you in 3 Weeks little Bi*ch”

by JonSarah Roberdes on Nov 15, 2010 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

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