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Matt Cassel - 14th Out Of 32 NFL QB's

I get so tired of hearing how Matt Cassel is a BIG problem for KC. I posted on Matt here earlier in the season. Now the boo birds are out in even fuller force!

Look, Matt is doing what he is expected to do, and he is Better Than Over HALF of ALL NFL QB's in doing so. I think, before it is all over, you Matt haters are going to have to eat your words!

As of week 9, Matt's QB rating is 89.2 - good enough for number 14 on the list of 32. Matt is doing a better job than all of the following QB's (at least he is rated higher):

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Rank    QB            Rate
15     Matt Schaub HOU    88.0
16     Jay Cutler     CHI     86.0
17     Ryan Fitzpatrick     85.8
17     Josh Freeman TB    85.8
19     Kevin Kolb     PHI     85.3
20     Carson Palmer Cin     83.6
21     Jason Campbell Oak     81.3
22     Shaun Hill     DET     79.6
23    Mark Sanchez NYJ     79.4
24     Chad Henne     MIA     78.2
25     Donovan McNabb WA     76.0
26     Sam Bradford SL    75.9
27     Brett Favre MN    75.7
28     Alex Smith     SF     75.0
29     Jon Kitna     DAL     70.9
30     Matt Hasselbeck SEA      70.8
31     Derek Anderson     ARI     67.0
32     Matt Moore     CAR    55.6


The number one ranked QB currently is Mike Vick. Personally, I'd take Cassel over Vick any day of the week - and Always on Sunday! Matt is MUCH more durable. I look for Vick to be sidelined with injury AGAIN before the end of the season (for fun look at what KC did to Vick last time he came to Arrowhead).

Of the other QB's rated higher than Cassel, I would not trade straight up for:

2      Vince Young    103.1
4      David Garrard    98.8
7      Tony Romo        94.9
8      Kyle Orton        92.7

That is 5 out of 13 QB's ranted higher than Matt that I would HATE to see KC trade straight up for Cassel. That leaves only 8 QB's in the whole league that I'd prefer over Cassel. (I wouldn't take any of those rated lower than Matt - except maybe Bradford)

Now, I know I'm going to get hammered for saying this, but of those 8 remaining QB's, I would NOT want Rivers. I think he has an attitude problem that can be harmful to a team. Just look how he acted in KC on opening week. I think his hot-headed nature is why his teams never go too far in the payoff's. Dan Marino used to act the same, start yelling at his team mates when things were not going well. Joe Montana was the BEST at staying cool no matter what the circumstances were. (While I don't think Matt will ever be anywhere near the QB Montana was - he does have a similar cool-headed nature I like).

So, that means that out of all the men who are qualified to play QB in the NFL, there are only a handful that I would prefer to Matt Cassel. I know that is only my opinion, but again, look at the ratings. I think Cassel will be higher on this list by the end of the year!

A few teams have more than one QB on this list. Like PHI with Vick and Kolb. That means that some teams have had such bad QB problems that they don't even have one on this ratings list!!! One of the main reasons is that they can't stay healthy enough to qualify for the list. Would you Matt Cassel haters like to have one of those guys in KC? No matter what you think of Matt, you will have to admit that he stays healthy and has shown to be tough! Anyone who can take the beating he did last year and keep on ticking has my vote.

Want to trade for the media circus that is Brett Favre??? I'll take my chances with the quiet and mild Cassel, thank you very much. Keep up the good work MATT. There are fans out here who know how hard you work and appreciate what you do!

UPDATE:

I think this post says it best on Cassel. Might as well learn to love him, cause he is going to be here for a while - perhaps a LONG while.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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I don't think this is a great argument for Cassel

The QB rating is, in my opinion a garbage stat that means practically nothing. But lets say that it is a good stat. Having the 14th best QB in the league is not good enough for us to win the Super Bowl. Now, I don’t think we are going to win the Super Bowl this year, but I think most of us are hoping that we will in the somewhat near future, and for that reason I think we need another QB. I don’t think we need another QB this season, but I think we need to find another long term solution. I think we have seen what we are going to get out of Cassel, and that is an average QB. Average QB play is not going to win us a Super Bowl, unless our Defense ends up developing into an all time great defense (that would be fine with me too).

by NCChiefs on Nov 12, 2010 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

Oh, I forgot

And if the Chargers called us and offered us Philip Rivers for Cassel straight up and we didn’t take it, I think my head would explode.

by NCChiefs on Nov 12, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

As would mine

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I am NOT cleaning that up!

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

better believe it

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Good man

Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!

by BAMFSpecialOps on Nov 13, 2010 5:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Yours and mine both.

I would have the same problem if the opportunity to get Vick was there and we did not get him.

by chiefdan on Nov 12, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

That'd be about the equivalent of refusing to trade

Ron Edwards for Vince WIlfork

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

so

if you dont like passer rating then what stat would be good for you. winning percentage?? turnover ratio?? cassel is very good at both of those. and if you dont think our WR/s are still hurting his stats your wrong. plus when you have the number 1 running offense. middle of the pack qb CAN win you a superbowl. look at san diego. they would appear to be your ultimate team due too 1/2 in both offense and defense. and rivers sure is throwing that ball around. just like orton, and just like romo, considering we have won 10 games in the last 3 years you would think people would be ecstatic about 5-3 and middle of the pack for cassel. this is by far the stupidest argument on here. much more annoying then the mock drafts or anything. cassel this cassel that we should start croyle, thigpen shouldnt have been traded. BLAH, VOMIT, BLAH

by Hendrix on Nov 12, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

AP has been mostly dead all week… I bet this is the slowest week for comments out of the last 2 months.

People haven’t said a peep about Cassel in days.. until you and the post under yours popped up.

Cassel has been hashed and rehashed on here over the last 2 or 3 weeks… everyone knows about his QB rating… Whoopee. Your case for Matt is nothing new.

And just for arguments sake…

The number one ranked QB currently is Mike Vick. Personally, I’d take Cassel over Vick any day of the week – and Always on Sunday! Matt is MUCH more durable. I look for Vick to be sidelined with injury AGAIN before the end of the season (for fun look at what KC did to Vick last time he came to Arrowhead).

Mike Vick is playing lights out football right now. His passer rating is superb, and he’s shown he still has good legs under him. As for his injury, just throw that one out. If you actually SAW what happened to him, you’d understand that NO QB would have not been injured by that hit. He got sandwiched between 2 linebackers. I like Cassel… but I’d take Vick over him in a heartbeat.

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by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 12, 2010 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

The way he's playing ball now?

Me too. Plus, a dude like Vick is built for a team like us. Only need to throw the ball 18-20 times a game, maybe snag us a couple of 1st downs with the legs…

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel scares the bejeesus out of me when he runs...

It does not look natural at all.

Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.

by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 12, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

H'e gotten way better at being elusive though

That play early in the 1st he really showed nice movement in getting the 1st.

OT (well, kinda), what does anyone know about that Newton QB? He legit?

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

His pocket presence is noticeably better...

But he looks like he’s going to get hurt when he runs.

Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.

by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 12, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

His dad's pocket presence is even better.

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by Tarkus on Nov 12, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

and just what's IN those pockets?

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

More than $180K, apparently.

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by Tarkus on Nov 12, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I can haz?

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly right.

We would have an unstoppable offense, i do believe.

by chiefdan on Nov 12, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too

That’s why I’d like to see us get a running QB in the draft. Nothing crazy, but as elusive and mobile as Freeman would be nice.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet we draft...

Ricky Stanzi in the 5th round out of Iowa. Incredible intangibles, comes from a good program, and can make NFL style throws. His accuracy is suspect as is his decision making, but he has above average arm strength. If anything he could be a good QB and we definitely have a depth issue there.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Nov 12, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Is he mobile?

Sorry, I’m college FB illiterate…

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I bleed

." His accuracy is suspect…" Then why draft him? We’d just have a Cassel clone.

by Special K on Nov 12, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a difference

This guy has gotten better every year in college, and is having a phenomenal senior year. Also, he’s got a strong arm.

As opposed to Cassel (who don’t get me wrong, I like) who didn’t play at all in college, and does not have a strong arm.

Some pretty crucial differences there IMO…

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

but he DID do a fine job of sitting on the bench
As opposed to Cassel (who don’t get me wrong, I like) who didn’t play at all in college, and does not have a strong arm

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, if you're gonna box quote me

You’d better add a “emphasis mine” statement when you italicize what I say…

Trying to make me look like a (gasp) hater or something? :)

I like Cassel. And I think he’d doing a pretty decent job. He’s a gamer, he works hard, and he at times makes some pretty good throws.

But it’s also pretty clear to me that we could upgrade the position with relative ease. Cassel’s not doing something that Todd Bouman or Damon Huard couldn’t do.

It’s taken me half a season to come to that conclusion, but unless he shows a little more “playmaker” (and even a little improvement would do it for me), I’d like to see us get someone who can in the offseason.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see that. I can also see not going hog-wild for QB until the hogs are all in place.

I think Pioli’s working his way around all the position groups. This is currently a team where more wins are more easily had by upgrading O-Line than by upgrading QB. When the team is built, you’d be surprised how many good-enough QBs there are hidin’ in the rocks.

by hmills110 on Nov 12, 2010 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt he's still around in the 5th with the year he's having

I’ve been hearing talk of him possibly creeping into the 2nd.

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by JrGrayson on Nov 12, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It's an impressive statline...

And he’s played well against some pretty good defenses…

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Which doesn't sound too bad to me

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks cpa

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

No Problem

How high is Blane Gabbert projected to go?

I’m sure there will be a steal, like Colt McCoy was last year, if we want to develop a young QB

by cpa913 on Nov 12, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I really wanted us to take McCoy

What was he, 3rd round? Would’ve been worth the risk…

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I would too.

Someone like Freeman would be ideal. It would compliment what we have in place with our running game.

by chiefdan on Nov 12, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

While right now we may look back at that '09 draft and think

“if only” about Matthews, I think Freeman may end up being the one that REALLY got away.

He’s winning with minimal talent around him.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes he is.

He really fooled me because I didn’t think he would make it in the nfl. Boy was I wrong.

by chiefdan on Nov 12, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

He's already got something like 5 comeback wins

He’s clutch.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Great kid

But he was a horrible college QB. Good he’s proving us wrong!

by cpa913 on Nov 12, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh and BTW

You’re right, this HAS been a slow week here on AP.

I think it’s the grind of the regular season combined with the disappointment/worry after the Raiders game.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

And it's opening rifle season (deer) in Mo. this weekend.

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by ChiefsChance on Nov 13, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

And BTW part 2...

There’s still “most rec’d” posts from 12 days ago…

I think it’s time for you to give us a writeup and take care of that RNG :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I got nothin' right now... I don't have anything worth writing about.

Besides, my employer has actually made me work this week… weird, I know.

Maybe it’s time for another doctor lawyer?

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by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 12, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I keep thinking that and meant to today...

But for some reason I can’t seem to work up the mood necessary to make one.

I’ve gotta be in a pretty goofy, cheerful mood to make those funny.

I’m with you, I’ve got nothing. I think I’ve written too many the last couple of weeks and burned myself out… maybe the Donkey game will give me something fresh.

I thought about an ode to Tamba Hali, but let’s face it, we all know he’s a stud. And I can’t find detailed stats (like hurries and knockdowns) that would make a post like that any good. You know of anywhere that doesn’t charge like PFF?

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

and it's about damned TIME you did some actual work ...

goldbricjers all over the place, no wonder the economy is at a standstill … lack of production everywhere you look :-)

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Lost me at wouldn't trade for Orton.

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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 12, 2010 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

^This

Is a knowledge bomb.

They’re basically the same QB, with Cassel slightly more mobile and Orton much more accurate.

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

^,

…yeah, that ’bout sums it up

by Special K on Nov 12, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

All right H2E... Gun to your head... who do you take...

Sanchez or Freeman?

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Vinny > Sanchez > Freeman > Orton > KCQB#7

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by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 12, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I forgot about Vinny

Criminal mistake I won’t repeat

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by MNchiefsfan on Nov 12, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

When did we bring

into this arguement?

Just try to STOP US

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 12, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know where to start

Using a stat that places Cassel at 14th in the league. Then there are 6 QB’s that are better than Cassel in that stat and you would not take them. You would not take the #1, #2 or #4 QB based on the stat you picked to show how good Cassel is? Maybe its a flawed stat? Oh Well

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by mysonmylife on Nov 12, 2010 3:45 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

WTH?

I typed # 7 in your programs and #1 in your hearts and it changed to numbered bullets. That ain’t right right there!

by cpa913 on Nov 12, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

He does have heart and I like him in the red zone. He really hasn’t been to bad on 3rd and longs but I don’t know if it’s him or the play calling on 3rd and short that I don’t like. I think its both.

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by mysonmylife on Nov 12, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

What no recs

A got a rec right here

Just try to STOP US

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 12, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

ok, so who's been bashing Cassel? other than Yoon, that is ...

but to say that Cassel is so awesome because of his QB Rating is … well, no, we just don’t do that here

14th best because of QB Rating??? riiiiiiiiiight …

15 Matt Schaub HOU 88.0
16 Jay Cutler CHI 86.0
17 Ryan Fitzpatrick 85.8
17 Josh Freeman TB 85.8
19 Kevin Kolb PHI 85.3
20 Carson Palmer Cin 83.6
21 Jason Campbell Oak 81.3
22 Shaun Hill DET 79.6
23 Mark Sanchez NYJ 79.4
24 Chad Henne MIA 78.2
25 Donovan McNabb WA 76.0
26 Sam Bradford SL 75.9

yup, I’d take any of those guys over Cassel …

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 4:35 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Henne? Campbell? Hill? Cutler? Kolb?

You crazy Ups… you crazy.

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by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 12, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I would for sure.

But would rather have Vick or Kolb

by chiefdan on Nov 12, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

why yes, yes I am ... and it's about time you noticed!

ok, scratch Henne … Campbell? in a heartbeat … funny, I seem to recall him hitting a few crucial plays leading to an OT victory not too long ago … Cutler can pass, hell if he wasn’t getting sacked 5 times a game the guy might be leading the league

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

any of those guys?

Really? You’d take Jason Campbel? Or Chad Henne? Gotta disagree with you there.

by tybme on Nov 12, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I would for sure.

They are better quarterbacks.

by chiefdan on Nov 12, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

then

I’m glad you aren’t the GM cause you’re scouting sux.

by tybme on Nov 15, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Henne was just benched for Chad Pennington.

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by nateforchiefs on Nov 12, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

And Cutler

Ask these Bears fans how they feel about boy wonder. The definition of losing games!

by KCinIL on Nov 12, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I blame the OLine

sacks galore … he had a good game last week, if I recall, despite all the sacks

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

He's to blame for a good amount of sacks

And for most of the turnovers. Holds it for that 90 yard TD pass every time thinkin Brandon Marshalls still down there. 60% negative 20% positive 20% Hester =)

by KCinIL on Nov 12, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

He makes poor decisions, always has.

The last game I watched him play was against the Giants, when the G-men were trying their damnedest to break the single game record. At least half the sacks that he got were because of him either holding on to the ball waaayyyy to long, or not making adjustments at the line to have extra blitzers picked up.

And he makes boneheaded throws on a regular basis. He’s never thrown fewer than 14 INTs in a 16 game season. His career passer rating is a 84.1… that’s not very good.

You might be able to argue that Cutler is as good as Cassel… they’re both average QBs… I don’t think you can argue that he’s better than him though. And you definitely can’t argue that he would be leading the league with a better line. He’s never shown he’s that good.

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by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 12, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

And Carson Palmer is basically done.

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by Tarkus on Nov 12, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

is he? maybe, maybe not ...

my point is that there are a ton of QBs with lower “ratings” that are as good (if not better than) Cassel … that’s all

ratings are by far NOT the definitive thing in terms of looking at how well a QB is or isn’t doing on the field … they don’t tell you if the QB is or isn’t calling audibles, what he looks like when he drops back, what his passes are like, etc … it’s an “incomplete” stat, and like any stat, it can be used or misused at the discretion of anyone

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree, QB ratings only tell you so much.

Especially when they make Cassel look good. When they make him look bad, by showing he’s performed many times under the average QB rating of opposing defenses, then it’s much more meaningful.

I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.

by Tarkus on Nov 12, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Ratings are a pretty good gauge, IMO, of showing how efficient a QB is.

It makes it so that a guy like Cassel can be in the discussion of “good” QBs, even though he’s not throwing for 4,000 yards a season. He manages a rushing team. That means a lot. The type of offense we have isn’t catered to a big passer. It’s catered to a QB that protects the ball, leads the offense, and makes the needed throws… and that’s what passer ratings are based off of. Cassel can thrive in this offense if he keeps it up. He still needs to get a little better, sure, but he’s on the right track.

Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.

by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 12, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

that's just it, though ... he isn't "managing" a damned thing

he doesn’t audible, he doesn’t look off a coupleof guys who are covered and go to his 3rd option …

he runs the plays he’s told to run, no more and no less … and in terms of how much he’s being “asked to do” it’s a LOT less than the vast majority of QB’s in the league

I’ll grant he’s turning it over less, but he’s also throwing less, and most of his plays are designed to be fast, short tosses … and even at that we know for a fact he’s overlooked wide-open options 5 yrds away because he’s locked in on his main (called for in the play) target

that’s not a “manager”

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by upamtn on Nov 12, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I did say:
He still needs to get a little better, sure, but he’s on the right track.

And I’ve seen him audible. And I think he had a problem with looking for too many options… that’s likely what caused his issue of holding onto the ball too long that we saw from him in 2008 and 2009. For whatever reason he wasn’t getting it done when he was looking… maybe he didn’t want to take a chance in that small window that QBs have to put it through… or maybe his WRs weren’t getting open. I think it’s a combination of both… the WR issue was pretty bad last year.

All that aside, he’s essentially in his 3rd year as a starter, and is 8 games out of a season that had him sacked and hit a ridiculous number of times. He might be a little gun shy… and the coaching staff might be bringing him up slowly. And I still think that the OL’s pass protection might be a little suspect. Give Cassel a little more time. I still don’t think we’ve seen his best.

Every week he does something that gives me reason to think that he does have good QB qualities… he’s just not consistent. Last week was the fade to Tucker. That’s the hardest throw a QB can make. The week before was the 20-ish yard laser beam he threw at Bowe for a TD. The guy can make the throws. He’s an intelligent guy. For whatever reason he’s not been consistent. I think we’ll see that change as the year goes on… come week 15 or 16 Cassel (and the Chiefs as a whole) are likely to be firing on all cylinders… at least I hope.

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by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 12, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

you can keep cutler.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Nov 12, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Sam Bradford would be perfect for this offense

But basically the Chiefs would still be 5-3 with any quarterback that rarely makes bad decisions and can hand it off to the backs. I don’t think we’d have a winning record with a guy like Cutler, Campbell or Palmer. We don’t have the type of reciever speed to create a deep threat.

by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Nov 14, 2010 8:00 AM CST up reply actions  

WR speed would be a biggie.

I’d add that a Sam Bradford might very well be injured by now. I think we underestimate how tough Cassel has been thru some tough times. Still not an ideal situation for QB:

  1. Protections
  2. Receivers

Upgrade those. Revisit QB position.

by hmills110 on Nov 14, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

How about rating and valuation on him being based on the most important things?

Like his play or lack thereof, not costing us games. We’ve got bigger problems and I for one am getting tired of the perpetual Cassel bashing. Matt is most obviously NOT the weakest link…..get off him.

by WyoChief1 on Nov 12, 2010 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

I disagree.

Cassel is not “costing us games”, but if I look at where the Chiefs are set up long term, I think besides WR, QB is the weakest position on the football team. The offense is being held back because Cassel and the WR’s.

Having a player at the most important position in all of team sports that “is not costing us games” is not good enough. Is there a better option on the team right know. Definitely not. Should pioli seriously try and improve the QB position in the offseason (hopefully through a high draft pick). I believe it is necessary.

I believe if you have a chance to draft a QB that you feel has a chance to be great, you always take the risk unless you already have an elite QB on your roster. The Chiefs certainly do not. If you want the Chiefs to be a playoff team year after year after year, the best way to do that is to have an elite QB.

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by saskwatch on Nov 13, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think it's risky to address skill players before you're really set in the trenches.

It’s easy to see how a better skill player might’ve made the difference in this game or that, but sometimes pursuing the skill player sets you back in the trenches.

I think it’s a balancing act, and while I love dominant wideouts, it’s tough to get ‘em 2 deep, and so your fortunes rise and fall on the one guy. Short term, I’d rather see ’em peck away all over the team than just zero in on WR. If the real deal falls to us, great. But the guys they have and their system approach might be smarter.

by hmills110 on Nov 13, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

One thing Bowe has shown that isn't talked about a lot is toughness.

There was that TD catch where he was hammered and held on. And he got right back up, unscathed. It’s no small thing to have a 50-50 receiver who’s durable.

by hmills110 on Nov 13, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

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