Cassel 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in downfield passing.
by bfett81 on Oct 28, 2010 10:46 PM CDT
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We debated Cassel's downfield passing on Chiefsplanet earlier this week. I said I would wait for the splits to get updated before I compared him to the rest of the league, and here are the results (completion percentage, TD/INT):
Cassel is 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in the NFL in completion percentage on pass attempts over 10 yards.
Henne - 58.6 1/1
Rivers - 54.5 7/5
Fitzpatrick - 54.3 7/3
Romo - 51.7 4/2
E. Manning - 50.6 8/4
Young - 50.0 6/1
Schaub - 50.0 4/4
Kolb - 50.0 2/2
Flacco - 49.4 10/4
Ryan - 49.3 7/2
P. Manning - 48.4 8/1
Rodgers 48.3 10/8
Orton - 47.5 7/3
Favre - 46.9 5/6
Palmer - 46.5 4/3
Garrard - 46.4 4/5
Hasselbeck - 45.2 3/3
Anderson - 45.1 1/2
Bradford - 45 5/5
Sanchez - 44.8 6/2
Cutler - 43.2 3/4
McNabb - 42.8 5/
Brady - 42.0 4/4
Cassel - 41.5 4/2
Brees - 41.4 4/5
Smith - 40.2 4/3
Wallace - 38.2 3/0 (34 att)
Moore - 38.2 3/5 (34 att)
Gradkowski 38.1 2/4
Freeman - 34.2 3/2
Clausen - 30.4 1/1 (23 att)
Hill - 29.5 4/2
Campbell - 25.8 1/2 (22 att)
For comparison, Cassel's downfield passing history:
2009 - 38.8 percent, 8 TD, 13 INT
2008 - 40.2 percent, 12 TD, 8 INT
Notes:
1. Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski suck. We have no business losing to the Raiders.
2. Brees will bump Cassel to 25th in short order.
3. Sanchez, bitches!!!
4. Flacco is a fucking stud.
5. Impressed by Chad Henne and fearful of Fitzpatrick.
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What exactly what are you getting at? His completion percentage is 50 basis points less than Tom Brady, same amount of TD’s and less interceptions. How come I get the feeling this isn’t being posted over at Pats Pulpit?
I’m as critical of Cassel as anyone, but he’s played fairly well this year, we are winning games and cherry picking stats to fit your hypothosis doesn’t mean much to me. All i know is with our running game, with our 2 best pass cathing targets being a rookie TE and a posession reciever, I don’t really want him throwing the ball downfield all that much.
If you are going to cherry pick stats, I’d like to see his completion percentage/QB rating on play action/bootleg plays. With a mobile QB and a strong running game, I’d like to see at least 50% of the 20 pass attempts being from play action.
I don’t know if I’ve turned a new leaf, or I’m just sick of all this, but I wouldn’t want a different QB on this team. Do I think he is a franchise QB? No. Do I want to look for one in the draft? Yes….but with the running game and a bend, don’t break defense, I don’t think we’d be any better off with a Peyton Manning. That sounds stupid obviously, but what the offense has been doing since the SF game has been working…and all this with sketchy WR play.
We have the #1 ranked running game and yet we all bitch because the QB isn’t spectacular. To me this is like dating a girl with 34DD’s and complaining because her middle name is Beatrice.
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by craig in calgary on Oct 28, 2010 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 20 recs
LMFAO!
We have the #1 ranked running game and yet we all bitch because the QB isn’t spectacular. To me this is like dating a girl with 34DD’s and complaining because her middle name is Beatrice.
Quote of the year by far….REC’D!
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
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by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 28, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I love this comment of yours also.
Guess having a team who is RUN FIRST, PASS SECOND doesnt please some people.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
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by NJChieffan16 on Oct 28, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Fastest greened comment ever?
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by ArrowSpread on Oct 28, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh and Bowe is averaging like 18 point something yards per catch
Maybe he can be more than a possession receiver if he keeps it up.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
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by NJChieffan16 on Oct 28, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't really compare Cassel to Brady
Brady leads the NFL’s top-ranked scoring offense.
It sure ain’t because of his running game or receivers. Or his terrible defense.
hmm...Cassel is no Brady
and if we wanna, u know…run…and lead the league…he wont ever be…isnt our scoring offense like…ranked 8th..? Cassel isnt leading that?
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
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by NJChieffan16 on Oct 28, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair, I'm fairly certain the Pats actually lead the NFL in scoring per game
This is different than scoring offense per game – the Pats have benefited from scores on kick returns, interception returns, and a blocked kick for a touchdown. As far as actual offensive scores go, they’ve been pretty pedestrian.
You also can't judge a qb off of 1 stat
although you really shouldn’t off of passer rating either that only adds stats from 4 things. Bills qb is 2nd in league at passer rating
Easy Craig
That was a great quote by the way, but what if her midsection was 40? Just sayin’.
Its an interesting stat line. Does it matter? No, but stats are part of the game, and so are haters.
We all understand that, and it is part of the fun.
The bottom line on Matt Cassel that we are all learning, is that he is a good game manager, and a good fit for the offense that we are running. Sure, Kansas City could stretch the field more, but if we tried that with Matt Cassel, then his turn over ratio would just grow and grow.
I am okay with that risk though, if it helps our run game out, but if Matt can’t do it, then he just can’t do it.
I think this lesson Haley is teaching Chambers right now, will help our passing game. I could be wrong, but i think Chambers will step up now. The only problem is that it didn’t work for him in San Diego, but SD is a different beast than Todd Haley.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Oct 28, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
what if she has 34DD's but weighs 400 pounds..
I would be complaining,
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by bflowers24probowl on Oct 28, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey some guys like em, eh...politically correct term?
big beautiful women
By the way, this isn't cherry picking stats.
This is a seven week aggregate of downfield throws for every quarterback in the league.
You want to cherry picks stats, pick the one quarterback below Cassel who happens to be good instead of all the shitty ones.
Seems to me like you're not impressed with Cassel, and you're using this to reinforce your point
As in, cherry picking stats. And, in the same tone, give a +1 to Sanchez. How about these numbers, stat man…
Completion % / YPA / YPC / QB Rating / Sack % / NYA (net yards gained per attempt)
-————————————————————————
Cassel 59.5 / 6.8 / 11.5 / 91.5 / 3.2 / 6.4
Sanchez 55.4 / 6.2 / 11.2 / 86.4 / 4.8 / 5.6
-————————————————————————
And, frankly, the Jets receiving corps is a bit better than the Chiefs. Sooo… I dunno, man.. You tell me what you think about these numbers.
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by ArrowSpread on Oct 28, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
The Jets are a running team also...
Ironic that they are #2 and that Sanchez just so happens to be behind Cassel in the stats also. But, I’m convinced bfett loves this team and how it is ran, but hates Cassel. Sorta…
No offense or anything to u bfett…just kinda remind me of HIV 2 Elway
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by NJChieffan16 on Oct 28, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
You can use any numbers to favor a particular QB in most cases
These numbers insist that Sanchez is less then Cassel.
Now is that true? I guess that depends on who you ask. I for one hate the Jets, so I am gonna say hell yes it is. Though, I am obviously biased. So it is a matter of perception, Matt Cassel is playing well, no one can argue that.
The Chiefs and the offense are only going to get better.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Oct 28, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ah.. well pardon me, then..
btw, you got a link to that ChiefsPlanet thread?
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by ArrowSpread on Oct 29, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
i thought drew brees was pretty good and he's ranked below cassel
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Bfett your posts are awesome btw.
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by bflowers24probowl on Oct 28, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions
I love how they are listed in order of the 1st stat
Because the second column doesn’t make his point.
This is hillarious!
by cpa913 on Oct 28, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Why wouldn't they be listed in that order?
Comparing touchdown passes is unfair because certain receivers are going to make more plays after the catch.
The idea is to get a gauge of a quarterback’s effectiveness at throwing down the field. Completion percentage is the best indicator.
Maybe because your top 4 are all on loser teams
You can’t ignore Cassel’s passer rating, and the eye test – that pass to Bowe was beautiful, by Cassel and Bowe.
Guess what? There are only five QBs in the history of the NFL to have back to back 400 yard passing games. Guess who’s on that list?
Hint: it ain’t Sanchez
Maybe they have to throw alot because they are always behind
Instead of running alot and short passes to protect the lead
-it’s NOT rocket science!
Notice you didn't even address the 400 yard passing games back to back
lol
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
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by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 29, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude
Why would I care about what Cassel did in New England with a Hall of Fame wide receiver?
Irrelevant.
Hall of Fame receivers can't do anything if the ball isn't on target.
I don’t know if you watched the 400+ yard games, but Cassel was deadly accurate in both games with some of the most difficult passes a quarterback can throw – deep outs, a twenty yard laser into the endzone, etc.
It wasn't overthrown.
Cassel split the two defenders and put the ball where only Bowe had a chance at it. That’s what a good QB does.
Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven
Haha, that is such a joke.
He underthrew Bowe by a country mile. He had to freaking stop his route.
There was no safety behind Bowe on the play.
dude go back and watch it again
if he throws that ball any further then the safety is over to make a play on it, he split the defenders just how he needed to for that play to work
You don't know what you're watching.
The safety is way out of position. The only reason he’s even in the same zip code as Bowe is because the ball is underthrown.
not necessarily
because YAC can also be an indicator of how the qb hit the receiver on the pass, or the play called, or the defender fell, or etc…the only way to truly guage your QB is to look at the film and see if he is doing what he should on the plays
by Turkeyleg on Oct 28, 2010 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Apples and oranges
Joe Montana was a great QB…but Elway or Marino or Favre could blow him out of the water for downfield passing, but who would you choose…each player has strengths and weaknesses
by Turkeyleg on Oct 28, 2010 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That's false
Montana was a terrific downfield passer. He made some of the most gorgeous downfield throws in NFL history.
In a time when DBs could be quite a bit more physical with receivers, no less
Those throws had to be dead-on-balls accurate.
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by ArrowSpread on Oct 28, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at the brains on Brad!
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Thanks fer playin along
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by ArrowSpread on Oct 30, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
The West Coast Offense was specifically designed for a weak armed QB
Montana was the best.
Cassel throws just as good a deep ball as Montana, go re-watch the 9ers-Bengals Superbowl
Montana wan't just a great QB
He was the greatest ever.
Just thinking about Joe Montana, makes me want the Chiefs to beat the Bills just that much more, Dam kickers.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Oct 28, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way
Flacco is questioned for his ability to go downfield
Flacco throws one of the best deep balls in the game
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by bflowers24probowl on Oct 28, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Brady's stats from 2001
Here’s the link to nfl.com for Brady’s stats from 2001.
( http://www.nfl.com/players/tombrady/gamelogs?id=BRA371156&season=2001 )
Interestingly enough he really wasn’t an allstar (sarcasm intended). His reg season completion percentage was 63.9. He had a couple of games he was only 50.0. He had 18 td, 12 int’s and 41 sacks. Threw for 2,843 yds…oh and 12 fumbles. Man, Castle’s stats are already shaping up to be better than that. He’s thrown for 9 td’s, 3 int’s, 5 sacks, 1,044 yds and 1 fumble. Currently at a 59.5 completion percentage…but that’s been going up with each game. So if you really want to compare Castle to someone that was early in their career…then here you go. Oh, btw…Brady won the Superbowl that year with those stats. Just sayin.
by tlback20 on Oct 29, 2010 12:00 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
That's a relative comparison to.
Considering the that coaches and the talent level are similar.
One more reason I believe that this is the start of our own dynasty.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Oct 29, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow this is kind of hilarious...
Avatar from one of the guys on ChiefsPlanet
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Let's try NOT cherry picking the stats, and look Cassel is BETTER than average!
Cassel has 9 TDs to 3 INTs
QB Rating
Cassel 91.5
League Average 78.3
League Leader 122.4
Touchdowns
Cassel 9
League Average 7.1
League Leader 14
Yards
Cassel 1044
League Average 908.6
League Leader 2344
That's still cherrypicking stats.
Those “counting statistics” (like hits/runs/RBIs in baseball) never tell the whole story because they can be skewed by so many things outside of a quarterback’s control. Perfect example: Quarterback Rating says Ryan Fitzpatrick is the second best quarterback in the NFL this season. I don’t agree with that, do you?
Look, I get that people want Cassel to be successful, and that people are exasperated with fans that still critique the team even though it’s playing much much better.
But we can’t deny that this is probably Cassel’s biggest weakness as a quarterback. Or that other teams will try to take advantage of that in their defensive schemes. Or that effective downfield passing attacks become important in the playoffs.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Oct 29, 2010 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Very nice
Is he helping win games? Yes. Is he Losing games for us? Not from where I sit. Untimely fumbles, Recievers dropping catchable passes and epic 4th quarter defensive collapses are a lot more to blame then Cassel’s play. Just an opinion of course.
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by dklogue1 on Oct 29, 2010 1:35 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Cassel has indeed lost games for us.
His utter inability to make a play in the fourth quarter at Indy and Houston was a huge factor.
I'd say a drop pass in the endzone
was a big factor since the ball was spot on in INDY…I thought Cassel only had like 20 seconds if that to make a play in Houston? Not many QB’s could win in that situation. He did throw how many TD’s that game in Houston? Seems like he did his job to me. The defense let us down that game and you know it.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
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We're seriously blaming Cassel for the Houston loss?
IND I can understand… even with that throw to Bowe, he threw something like 5 incompletions in a row in the 4th. So that I can get.
But Houston? Any game where you’ve got a ten point lead going into the 4th and blow it (despite scoring a TD in the 4th, which means the other team’s gotta score at least 18 points in a quarter to win) is on the defense.
He completed 69% of his throws, tossed 3 TDs, and didn’t throw a pick. That loss was not his fault at all. It was the fault of our defense, which gave up more points in the 4th than they’d given up in an entire game previously.
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all 5 weren't his fault
If you go back and look, those 5 incompletions weren’t his fault either. If I remember right they started when Bowe dropped the TD…then he dropped the next pass…then I think McCluster dropped the next one. So that’s 3 of the 5 that hit the receivers right in the hands. So essentially he had 2 incompletions that were his fault. I’m not a Cassel lover or hater. I played football for 11 yrs and coached HS for 5. The guy is doing what the coaches are asking and allowing him to do. He has progressively gotten better each game. As a coach that’s all I can ask for, a willing player to listen and learn and grow each game. I think of “What About Bob”….Baby steps folks. I honestly think Cassel can be a great QB. The coaches are making sure he gets rid of any bad habits he’s picked up and slowly molding him into a great QB. Will it be this year we see it? I doubt it. I think we’ll start to see more results next year. He manages this year and wins. Then next year he starts to truly bloom.
Good points
But Cassel holds at least some blame for the IND loss. He never really made an impact (not all his fault, but he made some poor throws when we needed him).
All that (very debatable) stuff aside, my main point was that there’s no real case for him being at fault for the HOU loss, whereas at least the IND loss there’s some blame for him.
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Agreed
I agree with you there. It was more of a team effort loss in the Colts game. Not just Cassel. Houston wasn’t his fault at all.
True
But when the other team is scoring in about a minute and a half every time they get the ball…
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5 incompletions
at least one thrown away to avoid sack (nothing wrong with that)
two hit bowe in the chin that he dropped.
Both losses were clear team effort...
Prevent D is a death sentence against Manning, for one thing. But the offense should’ve done more to run clock. 4th quarter futility when a great 4-minute offense would’ve sealed the deal was reminiscent of Marty ball. Punt it away? Hell, no. Go ahead and pull a Belichick. Go to 4 downs, sitting on the lead.
I would've loved to see that
The way Houston was moving the ball, I don’t think it would make much of a difference if they got it at our 40 or their 15.
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In a similar situation, Tom Brady threw a bad interception in the 2006 AFC Championship game.
It happens. Getting the ball with ~30 seconds and 60+ yards to go and getting a touchdown just doesn’t happen all that often, regardless of who the quarterback is.
bfett just drop the shit already
Brees has lost 3 games for the Saints this year due to multi-interception games of 2, 3 and 4.
How many games has Cassel lost us this year? Absolutely none. Could he have done more to win those couple that we lost? Absolutely. But Cassel is in no way responsible for giving up 4 consecutie scoring drives in the 3rd and 4th quarter, nor he is he responsible for Bowe dropping a sure TD or Peyton Manning driving the field on us after we kept him under wraps all game.
Cassel does well enough for what we need him to do, which is manage the game and not create negative plays. Those being sacks and turnovers, where he’s in the top of the league.
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by ArrowSpread on Oct 29, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hell, Phillip Rivers has 12 turnovers BY HIMSELF
In addition to taking 20 sacks. But I’m sure that has nothing to do with them being in the bottom of the division.
Kyle Orton, 5 turnovers, 17 sacks.. think he’s winnin games for the Broncos?
Tony Romo? 7 picks, 7 sacks
Cassel has a better INT and sack rate than all of those guys, including Brees.
What are those records looking like?
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by ArrowSpread on Oct 29, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Cassel does well enough for what we want him to do?
LOL!
Boy, that’s a quarterback I want. One that does “Well enough” for 15 freakin mil.
It’s comical how some of you have low standards for the QB position.
by bfett81 on Oct 29, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some guys don't pan out the way you want them to, and you end up having to tailor the gameplan around them to be productive
Would you rather him be winging it all over the place, getting sacked, and throwing INTs? Or would you rather be 4-2. Because Cassel IS our QB, and we’re winning with how he is playing now, with what he’s being asked to do.
Until we get the QB we traded for, this is how we have to play this game. You can choose to lose sleep over it if you wish, but I will not. He is our QB, and will be for the remainder of the season. And if he continues to improve, which I suspect he will, he will be our QB next year as well.
How big is Rivers’ contract, and how many games is he winning? Hey, but those yards and TDs look nice. Hurrah for 2 and fucking 5. Chargers could learn a few things from what we’re doin in KC.
Miss me with your bullshit please.
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by ArrowSpread on Oct 29, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
This is how we have to play?
I am sick and tired of people talking like there is something wrong with the way this offense is playing. Until we get a “real” qb I guess we’ll just have to keep leading the league in rushing. We’ll have to keep controlling the clock, not turning the ball over and playing smart football. Not to mention the fact that outside of a wildly inconsistent Bowe, we have NOTHING at the WR position. DMC is a nice slot option, but not a number 2 receiver by any stretch. There are too many fans that have bought in to the Mike Martz school of 5 wide formations, chucking the ball all over the place, getting our qb killed.
by southsidekcfan on Oct 29, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, this is how we have to play
And until we stop winning with this formula, there is nothing wrong with it.
Fact of it is, Cassel IS limited to what he can do. Most QBs have plenty of limitations. What’s important is that Weis and Haley know what his limitations are and work around them while Cassel himself develops those areas where he must improve. And that we win while Cassel makes that transition.
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I don't have low standards
I choose not to sit around and cry about something you can’t fix by, uh, crying about it.
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by ArrowSpread on Oct 29, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
You know why I'm crying about it?
Eventually everyone is going to be crying in January if Cassel doesn’t improve.
last night
I was on my way to the casino for some poker and listening to some Chiefs radio show on 810. Danny had on Stan Weber and they were talking Cassel. Something that Stan said really caught my attention. This is all paraphrasing – Stan was talking about how you could see improvement from MC but until he could learn to trust his receivers it would be an issue. His example was a MC to Copper pass (I don’t recall which game) he was saying how MC had thrown a great ball to the right spot but Copper had stop his route short. If Copper had continued his route he would have had to make a good toe tapping catch but the ball was put in the only place MC could put it. Now Stan goes on to say – next time MC will be thinking – do I throw to the proper spot for Copper or do I throw a couple yards short – where is he going to be?
This made me think of the obvious miscommunication between Bowe and MC in the last game. Bowe breaks his route short instead of running some type of fly patter and MC throw is no where near a receiver (or a defender thankfully).
I know I have seen several instances where there was an obvious miscommunication between QB and WR.
So I guess I’m saying – if the receiver isn’t doing his job then how on earth can you evaluate a QB? As the season goes on and the WR stay the same (unlike last year) and MC gains trust or maybe just an understanding of what his receivers are doing I believe you will see MC continue to improve.
Cherry pick stats all you like – in the end we will all know.
by tybme on Oct 29, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
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excellent thoughts
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 29, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm....
Completion percentage- up 4.5%
Number of TD’s)- up by .5 per game
TD/INT ratio- from 1/1 to 3/1
Sacks taken (a BIG complaint about him)- down 1.8 per game
Yards per Attempt- up by .9 yards (so basically a full yard better)
fumbles per game- down from nearly 1 a game to .17 per game
Seems to me like he’s already improving… or was he supposed to completely skip this “much improved” phase and go straight to “Manning clone” phase?
He HAS improved by quite a bit already.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Some people will never change.
Cassel could win the Super Bowl and they would still bitch about how he sucks.
Arrowhead Stadium = Football Heaven
by GetRight on Oct 29, 2010 7:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't always depend on stats.
Some Cassel lovers skew them to try to sell his abilities, and some Cassel non believers skew them to sell his inabilities. We do have a weakness in our offense and defense and those weaknesses will show up in very important close games such as playoffs and such. They don’t always show in lesser quality games and can be masked over. I believe they will then show that we have a weakness at quarterback, nose tackle, wide receiver. But if you are not a Cassel lover, then you are bombarded with other people for stating anything negative. They just don’t want to hear it…
Cool I got to green 5 comments in one post :)
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
bfett, I love your GIFs and vids but give it up man
I know you demand absolute perfection from all players in every phase of the game but just give it up. There will always be flaws with this team. It will never be perfect, no matter how much you or any of us want it to be. Bottom line – we are winning right now!
Just be happy and enjoy it while you can. No amount of bitching will change anything. And for someone that I’ve heard demand improvement from Cassel, you’re ignoring it if you haven’t seen it.
I don't demand absolute perfection.
Cassel is freakin’ 30th in passing yards
30th!
I’m not asking for Cassel to be Peyton Manning. I’d settle for Matt Ryan.
He 25th in attempts per game which is why he is 30th in passing yards
he is averaging 25 attempts a game. If he was averaging 35 attempts per game, which is about middle of the pack, based on his 6.8 yds/att avg he would have around 1500 yards passing right now which would put him around 15th in the league. If he was averaging 40 attempts per game like the top 5 passing qbs are, then he would be around 1700 yards passing right now which would put him in the top 10 in the league. You see how that works more passing attempts = more passing yards.
by badassz1987 on Oct 29, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
How does that not make sense?
The playcalling dictates how many times he throws it (for the most part), and if he’s throwing it more and keeps the same percentage and YPA his total yardage goes up. Badassz1987 doesn’t need to teach a basic arithmetic lesson here, does he?
Chiefs Will
He's 30th in passing
because we’re #1 in rushing. We run the ball 35 times a game for close to 200 yards per. WTF are you bitching about? If we were passing the ball like the #1 passing team (Chargers #1 in passing with a 2-5 record tied for last in the West) what would you bitch about? Where are we in the West, ummmmm, let me think. Fan-up dude! Chiefs are great, why the hate?
by ChiefsColoredGoggles on Oct 29, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Thanks guys, my first green!
I love AP and all of my fellow fans, even you bfett81. If you’re a true fan, then your ok in my book.
by ChiefsColoredGoggles on Oct 29, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
He is, he loves the Chiefs
He just doesn’t like Cassel as our QB.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Can't see the forrest for the trees?
by ChiefsColoredGoggles on Oct 29, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
But he’s passionate enough about it that I know he really believes it.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I respect that
Just don’t understand all the hate. No hard feelings bfett.
by ChiefsColoredGoggles on Oct 29, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you!
That’s what I’ve been trying to say! Why do some people think that chucking the ball everywhere is the only way to have an effective offense? Points scored on drives that were composed of mostly rushing yards count the same as points scored on pass heavy drives, at least the last time I checked.
by southsidekcfan on Oct 29, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
becaused they are pissed that Cassel isnt gettng them any fantasy points
thats the only logical reason, we are atop our division, 1 more win and we equal our win total of the past 2 seasons combined, looks now that we should make the playoffs, and still people have to find something to bitch about, I dont get it either
Winning?!! isnt't this the purpose?
If we are winning we don’t need no stinking deodorant, smells like roses already.
You play to win the game! Sorry for the Hermism, almost lost my lunch.
by ChiefsColoredGoggles on Oct 29, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
bfett81
Are you Brodie Croyle?
Because you obviously like the Chiefs, but you are blindly throwing darts at the reasons Matt Cassel needs to be replaced.
He is managing the games well and not losing any games for the Chiefs yet that your arguments have supported. The Chiefs need you on the bench ready to go, you never know when you will get your shot, just hang in there.
Yes the Kansas City Chiefs could use a Peyton Manning, but he doesn’t come around very often and the Chiefs haven’t had a chance to take him or the like. Sure we could of had Sanchez, but Peyton Manning he is not.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Oct 29, 2010 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Not picking on you by the way
I like your vids, but I don’t get the hatred right now. Keep on the good work on the vids though they’re humorous.
I also don’t know why bashing posts like this one get all of the attention.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Oct 29, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Because people like to argue
Isn’t that the fun? :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I remember the good ol' days
What’s the record of the top 4 QBs’ teams on that list? 6-19
Any measurement of a QB’s ability that places Manning, Rodgers, and Brees out of the top 10 is one that obviously means very little in the way of a QBs overall ability.
Successful deep ball throws require a certain kind of receiver as well. So who is our deep ball guy? Anyone? Anyone?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Man we could use him right now...
Take the in-his-prime Fast Eddie and our offense would be absolutely set.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Here's a 4th
He’s wedged in between Brady, McNabb, and Brees. Man, what poor company to be in…
That stat is not very telling of what QB I’d want on my team.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
How about a 5th...
Even going by this ridiculous stat that has very little to do with who the best QBs in the NFL are… Cassel has improved over last year.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
and out of all those qbs
who are chucking the ball all over the field, how many of them have a better record then Cassel, isnt wins/loses more important then leading the league in downfield passing
Lay off hater
What gets me riled up is that you give no chances to Cassel, but “oh yeah Brees will bump Cassel to 25th in short order”
Mate not the way he’s playing. How about you open your eyes and watch Matt win us football games.
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by AustralianChief on Oct 29, 2010 6:48 PM CDT reply actions
Matt isn't winning us any football games.
The #1 running attack and our top ten defense is.
At best he’s a complement.
Sorry dude.
He’s playing good enough for me.
by idahochieffan on Oct 29, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It's funny you say that.
Football is the ultimate team sport, right? Has Manning or Brady ever won a game?? Nope, if they didn’t have 52 other guys around them they would lose every freaking game. Cassel has won 4 games so far this year, just like the rest of the damn team.
Chiefs Will
That view of the NFL is far too simplistic.
You win with your quarterback in this league. I don’t know why Chiefs fans can’t understand this after two decades of dicking around with bums like Bono, Grbac, Huard, Croyle, Thigpen and now Cassel, but it’s maddening.
What’s “good enough” for you will never win a Super Bowl.
I have a question for you
if the only thing that matters is having a great QB, then why has Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Drew Brees each only won 1 SB? Why has Phillip Rivers not won a SB?
The answer only reinforces my point.
They ran into better quarterbacks.
And it’s not the only thing, but it is the most IMPORTANT thing.
Um, who was the last QB to give him an L, again?
R-E-S-T-E-C-P! Find out what ya mean to me.. R-E-S-C-E-T-P! ... 10-6 motha@$#%!! You know how'ta spell it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6J_zw29RY (mild cursing. ahem.)
by ArrowSpread on Oct 29, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Rivers, I mean
R-E-S-T-E-C-P! Find out what ya mean to me.. R-E-S-C-E-T-P! ... 10-6 motha@$#%!! You know how'ta spell it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6J_zw29RY (mild cursing. ahem.)
by ArrowSpread on Oct 29, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
False
Peyton Manning is the best QB in the league. He hasn’t run into a better QB in years.
Are you saying that The Giants beat the Pats because Eli>Brady?
The Saints beat the Colts because of their pass rush. That’s also why they beat the Vikings (that and a boneheaded play by Favre).
The Giants beat the Pats with their pass rush.
The Steelers beat the Cardinals because their defense made some big plays while the Cards could not.
In every one of the last 3 Super Bowls the better QB has walked away the loser.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Oct 30, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
really can you see into the future
its amazing how people said the same thing years ago about Dilfer and the Ravens and guess what they won the SB, not to mention in 01 Brady wasnt putting up all pro numbers and guess what he won the SB, so if you want to keep hating then why dont you go cheer for another team that has your idea of the perfect qb, meanwhile us REAL Chiefs fans will continue to cheer for our team that is 1st in our division and on our way to the playoffs, quit bitching about stupid little worthless shit that means nothing, who the hell cares which qb has the most pass play over 10 yards, the only thing that matter in the end is wins/loses
Here's what you don't even get, man
It’s not about overall stats.
It’s about the ability to throw down the field with effectiveness.
On New England’s game winning drive in that first Super Bowl, Brady made a huge downfield throw to Deion Branch in the clutch.
Cassel hasn’t done that this year.
My post earlier
I refer to my post earlier about Brady’s stats in 01’….they are actually a little worse than Cassel’s are now…again you have no leg to stand on. Seriously dude, you need to understand the game of football. It is a TEAM sport. Cassel is doing his job and winning games. Have you ever played football? Or even coached it for that matter? I have done both and I would take Cassel 6 days a week and twice on Sunday(cause that’s when he usually plays)…Peyton is not always perfect…My job as a receiver in college was to make the QB look good. No matter how good or bad the QB was. Our receivers are starting to do that. High, low, it doesn’t matter. It hits the hands, it’s their job to catch it. But hey, I’m just speaking from experience. Cassel is leading us to W’s….not L’s Unlike several of the other “Great” Qb’s out there.
once again dude your are wrong, so that 50 yard pass play in the 9ers game
wasnt a deep enough pass for you, not quite sure what you want, I guess you just have to have something to bitch about
And once again you dont even get it, so you would rather have him make a couple of whatever you consider down field throws then have him have the stats he has right now and we keep winning games. Why dont you quit worrying about fantasy football points and start caring more about real life football
bfett would rather look good and lose
Than have average QB play and win
We’ve got Woody Harrelson, and he’d rather have Wesley Snipes!
R-E-S-T-E-C-P! Find out what ya mean to me.. R-E-S-C-E-T-P! ... 10-6 motha@$#%!! You know how'ta spell it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6J_zw29RY (mild cursing. ahem.)
by ArrowSpread on Oct 30, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we should've been dicking around with Dan Marino...
Oh wait! That’s right he never won a Superbowl either!
And try telling Trent Dilfer that Baltimore shouldn’t have won XXXV because he wasnt “good enough”
It’s a team sport. Stop picking on our QB. Sure he is in an important position, but he is doing everything he needs to to complement our offense and take us deep into the playoffs.
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by AustralianChief on Oct 29, 2010 9:36 PM CDT reply actions
He's not doing everything he needs to do, that's just it.
Go look at our third-down conversion percentage. It’s horrible. And that falls on the quarterback’s shoulders.
Wrong that falls on the offense, not just the QB
btw last game Cassel was 4/5 on third downs with 3 of those being for first downs
by badassz1987 on Oct 29, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Amazing.
You want to blame everyone but Cassel.
As it is he’s lucky guys like Copper bail him out on shitty throws.
You reference one play out of four
And that proves your point?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
You want to blame no one but Cassel
Is that better than blaming everyone but Cassel?
The answer (as always) lies in between.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Mate I know you've entrenched your position
So I forgive you for not opting to change face and allow the rest of AP to convince you otherwise.
I’m just done arguing and nitpicking. Go and jump on the Chargers bandwagon. That way you can talk up Philip Rivers QB play to the Bolts in the Blue while watching us “unable to throw downfield” Chiefs make the playoffs and have a legitimate shot at going all the way. So in summary. I’m going to enjoy watching us make the postseason. You are going to follow the Chargers, and feel better inside because you will finally have a “franchise QB”
"Insert distinctive, Chiefs-related signature here"
by AustralianChief on Oct 29, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions
The Chiefs would be a Super Bowl contender with Philip Rivers
With Cassel they’re going to get beat at home in the playoffs.
Yeah...
Cause Rivers could win…let alone get to the super bowl with a more talented chargers team the last 4 years…If you like him so much go root for the chargers. Stats mean jack wins and losses are what matters and right now Cassel has more wins then you homie. These weekly (or is it daily) posts on how much you think Cassel blows are getting old, you would find reason to hate even him Cassel led this team to and won the SB this year cause he didnt have the stats you thought he should or because other QBs had better stats…we have the #1 rush offense, there are only so many yards to go around so get over it.
WOW
cause Rivers is looking so impressive this year, I forget whats his record, and he has led the Chargers to so many SBs hasnt he, I guessed I must have missed those years that happened
Hey man, it's real simple.
If Cassel actually steps up and performs in the clutch and wins big games he gets my respect.
Otherwise, GTFO!
STFU, Gif Horse
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which game has he lost it in the clutch for us in the last 2 years, that would be none, how about you go cheer for another team, cause the hating coming from you is getting really old around here
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