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Interesting Chiefs Numbers (Including Pass Interference and Small Improvements by Cassel)

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Usually I like to post on one topic, but too many thoughts came into my head following the Chiefs-Jaguars game. So I thought I'd be sort of clever (but not really) and post a few numbers that I find to be interesting. Enjoy (or not)!

86 - Could that be Tony Moeaki's two-game receiving totals? Nope. Could that be Dwayne Bowe's total yards this week? Not quite. 86 represents the number of yards the Chiefs have lost in the past two games due to three borderline Pass Interference calls. Three. If that were a Quarterback throwing three passes, he would be averaging 29 Yards per Completion. Wow.

If you're going to cost a team more than 15 yards and especially if you're going to cost a team over 30 yards on one penalty, you better get the call right. Pass Interference needs to be reviewable. You cannot let a team march halfway down the field because of one missed call. 

116 - Let's piggyback off the previous point. Given that two of the PI calls were definitely Offensive PI and one of them (against Berry) was arguably so, if all three OPI calls are made, that pushes the opposing team back 30 total yards. So on three calls, the refs may have cost the Chiefs 116 total yards. When a Running Back runs for 100+ yards, that's considered an accomplishment. If a RB were to run 3 plays for 116 yards, that would be a pretty amazing 39 yards per carry. That should tell you how ridiculously, obscenely, insanely bad those calls were.

17 - You guessed it: that's the number of points the Texans and Jaguars have scored on those PI drives. Enough is enough. I know Todd Haley won't say it, nor should he have to, but the refs have to, have to, have to, have to stop screwing the Chiefs over on Pass Interference calls. And the refs have to start becoming accountable for mistakes like this. I'm sorry, but a letter to the team doesn't make me or you as a fan feel comforted. "Oh sorry, we apologize for costing your team 41 yards... AGAIN. We won't let it happen, except for when we do let it happen again, in which case, we will make sure it doesn't happen again until it does happen again.

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7 - Number of officials who stood around with their thumbs and flags in their pockets while Jackie Battle got tackled after a Touchdown and a Quarterback, of all people, gets shoved away from the pile. I don't care what the score is. That's textbook Unsportsmanlike Conduct and not calling that promotes that it's okay to act like a sore loser. On a side note, that Unsportsmanlike  tackle reminds of the days when I used to play Madden on my Sega Genesis 15 or so years ago. I don't know how many times I would get rung up for Unsportsmanlike Conduct because they would literally let you tackle a guy several times consecutively after a play was over. My other favorite play was to go offsides on an Extra Point and stand in front of the kicker to block the kick. Those were the good ole' days. Anyway, I digress. Regardless, for an officiating crew that was so liberal about throwing flags on ticky-tack plays, they sure were conservative about throwing a flag on that play.

75,000 - Arbitrary number for the fine Matt Cassel would have gladly accepted for defending Jackie Battle after that cheap shot. The commentators said that Matt Cassel should have stepped away from the pile to avoid a fine. I disagree. Matt Cassel needs to find every opportunity to win over his team. Stepping in and backing his teammate, regardless of the consequence, was just what he needed to do. It reminds me of a pitcher who throws a retaliation pitch. I can assure you of one thing: Cassel's teammates saw it and they won't ever forget it.

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28 - Third down efficiency % for the first 4 games. 14 for 50 for 28%.

56 - Third down efficiency % against Houston and Jacksonville. I've given Matt Cassel quite a bit of grief this season, but it's numbers like this that prove that he's showing visible improvement. He made a few big third down throws and, quite frankly, he got quite a bit of help from his friends but what Quarterback doesn't? The Chiefs as a team are executing third down plays and regardless of what kind of monster effort the receiver makes, credit always starts from the top and that's Matt Cassel. Good job, Matt.

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2 - Number of scores the Chiefs would have been up if Todd Haley chooses to kick a field goal

11 - Number of points the Chiefs would have been up if Todd Haley chooses to kick a field goal. It's also the number of minutes left in the game when Haley made the decision to go for it

89 - Ryan Succop's FG % from 40-49 yards throughout his career, so yeah... good chance he hits that Field Goal

Moral of the story? I love that Todd Haley is this aggressive, but over the past two seasons, he has cost the team as many games as he has helped by being too aggressive. There is smart aggressiveness and there is recklessness. An occasional onsides kick and going for it on 4th and inches is arguably smart aggressiveness. Not kicking a field goal in the 4th quarter to seal a 2-score lead and consistently running high-risk plays like the onsides kick is reckless. I know the outcome turned out fine, but there are only so many times in a season when you can pretty much give away points by taking daredevil risks.

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5 - RBs currently on the active  53-man roster. That's a lot.

4 - RBs that should be on the 53-man roster after this week. Look, I like Tim Castille. He's a tough runner and he's a pretty decent receiver for a Fullback. But let's face it, while he didn't play his way out of a job, Mike Cox most definitely played his way into his job. Cox should have been the starter from the get-go. He ended last season strong and this season, he's been absolutely phenomenal. This decision is easy. You currently have too many RBs. Mike Cox is not only clearly the better blocker, he's also a guy who seems to enjoy doing it. You also have two short yardage guys now in Thomas Jones and Jackie Battle. There are too many cooks in the kitchen. I like Castille, but I don't understand what his role is right now

3 - Number of active Tackles on the 53-man roster. I hate this decision. Barry Richardson has been far better than Ryan O'Callaghan, but I sense that he will lose his job only because the Chiefs don't have a backup Left Tackle should Albert fall to injury. I never liked the decision the Chiefs made to cut Herb Taylor. Regardless of how good the guy is, if Herb Taylor is still on this roster, then Albert and Taylor are your Left Tackles and Richardson and O'Callaghan are your Right Tackles. With a young guy with upside like Richardson, the Chiefs shouldn't force a player to be prepared to play two totally different positions in the event of an emergency. But to the greater point, I talked above about how Haley can be a reckless gambler. The Chiefs almost got burned big time when Albert was helped off the field a few weeks ago. It's interesting to me that that didn't open up the dialogue about how maybe they should bring in an extra Tackle on the roster, especially when they have about a bazillion WRs and RBs within their 53.

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 5 - Number of sacks Matt Cassel has taken all season. What I really liked this weekend was that he not only took few sacks, he also demonstrated pocket presence and slid around the pocket, something I haven't seen a lot of this season. That's another sign that he's progressing.

67 - Number of projected rushing yards Matt Cassel will have by season's end, a far cry from the 189 yards he put up last season and the 270 yards he put up the season prior. Some will suggest that he's being less productive. My opinion is that the 5 sacks and the 67 rushing yards are pretty clear signs that he's getting rid of the football better. I don't care about the lower rushing yard productivity. For Cassel to stay healthy, he can't keep putting his body in harm's way. For Cassel to get better, he has to learn to stay in the pocket, buy time, and find ways to let plays develop (and throw the ball away when there's nothing there). His limited rushing productivity suggests to me that he's doing that a lot better this season.

13 - Number of projected sacks Matt Cassel will take by season's end. That's less than one sack per game and more than 3 times less than what he took last season.

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100 - The number of minutes it probably took for you to read this post. Thanks for letting me ramble.

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Nice post

and rec’d. I agree with you on Cassel’s rushing numbers I think that shows he’s getting rid of the ball sooner

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by Aero on Oct 27, 2010 9:10 AM CDT reply actions  

122- the (projected) rushing yard differential. I only mention it because if cassel is projected to have 1/3 of the sacks as last year, this number sticks out.

after all, by definition, you lose yards on a sack. is that not credited as negative rushing yards?

Not really going out on a huge limb here, but I'm guessing the same people who think Matt Cassel is the reincarnation of Joe Montana are the same confused people who think our President is a god amongst men with his high intellect and tremendous ability to lead....

by chief Stevie_k on Oct 27, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Negative passing yards for the team

In college it’s counted as negative rushing yards though

by Cupadacoff on Oct 27, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

1

 - number of rec’s I give this post :D

by fongKC on Oct 27, 2010 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice!

Its almost like a ESPN magazine with better explanations! rec’d!

by truechief10 on Oct 27, 2010 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Great post.

Re: Cox

Avg rushing yards per game without him = 149
Avg rushing yards per game with him = 232

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 27, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Yea, shouldn't even be a question who the starter should be

And I believe Cox is just as sure-handed as Castille catching out of the backfield as well.

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by ArrowSpread on Oct 27, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

But let’s face it, while he didn’t play his way out of a job, Mike Cox most definitely played his way into his job. Cox should have been the starter from the get-go. He ended last season strong and this season, he’s been absolutely phenomenal. This decision is easy. You currently have too many RBs. Mike Cox is not only clearly the better blocker, he’s also a guy who seems to enjoy doing it.

And, based on the soundbyte Nick Wright loves to play, Jamaal Charles thinks it is really good when he can “get Cox all up in there.”

To me, that is reason enough to keep him over Castille.

by JacinB on Oct 27, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

eeeeww

Is that seat getting a little worm, Mr. Gill?

by labbadabba on Oct 27, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jon can bring the numbers

on a weekly basis, as far as I’m concerned. Very good.

I want KC to be aggfressive, but not stupid on the 4th down calls. Where that line is, I don’t know. Sure seemed like the latter last week, but as I commented in an earlier post, I’d rather have aggression than timidity when it comes to these type of calls. I’ll accept the occasional bad result if there’s two good results in return.

by Ozarks on Oct 27, 2010 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Growing tired of hearing about the 4th down calls

Ya win some, ya lose some. Haley’s got balls, which is more than a lot of head coaches. It’s that same aggressiveness that has this ball club turned around. He does what he thinks is best, no matter who is criticizing his moves, and it sure is refreshing.

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by ArrowSpread on Oct 27, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about this stat

0 the number of superbowl wins Marty has. ( he would always take the field goal)
3 the number of Super bowl wins Bill Belechick has ( infamous failed 4th down call last year against Indy)

I’d say we have a coach more like the latter. If you hear him talk about his decisions he will tell you that they are well thought out and have short term and long term implications.
Consider this: if chickshit Marty doesn’t send a questionable Lin Elliot out to kick a frozen rock in the playoffs three times and instead gives same frozen rock to HoF Marcus Allen then Lamar possibly would have had another Lombardi on his mantle.

by paulredfish on Oct 27, 2010 11:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

everyone

seems to either forget, or disregard, this aspect of Haley’s decision. Except for the 4th down call to go for it at the beginning of the Indy game when 3 points would have tied the game, I personally agree with every call Haley has made in this regard.

by brand0n84 on Oct 27, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brandon that was the most obviuos good call of all

The reasoning is thus: 4 and goal from the 2
possible outcomes: kick field goal = 3 pts
convert for td = 7 pts
fail conversion Indy starts at their own 2 = huge field position advantage
the likelyhood of any opponent driving the field for any score is diminished.
It would take 2 1/2 field goals to equal one touchdown. The odds are in your favor to go for the td unless their is no time left for the opponent to score.
I realize those of us who were conditioned on Martyball and Hermball are uncomfortable with this but I really like Toddball.

by paulredfish on Oct 27, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

i really like toddball too,

but that was foolish in my eyes. everyone on planet earth knew exactly what play was coming as soon as cassel trotted onto the field. terrible d or not, they were stopping that play, and this was against peyton manning. anytime you keep pace with peyton, you’re doing great, and thats what they should have done. if it was the 4th quarter, ok, as they say, go for the win on the road, go for the tie at home, i presume that was the thinking, but this was the first posession we had.

by brand0n84 on Oct 27, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess you and I will respectfully agree to disagree on this

If my fuzzy memery serves me correct, our venerable old coach Dick Vermiel would have kicked the field goals as well. In fact going back to every coach we have had I have to think they would have kicked the field goal. The only exception to the list would possibly be Hank Stram if he was coaching in this era.
When examining our coach’s leaves we should look to the root stock of his genome. Father = Pittsburg Steeler scout and personnel director ( would have liked him wearing red all those years considering the plethora of Pittsburg talent)
Coaching mentor = Bill Parcells the Godfather of Superbowl winning coaches Bill Belicheck and Gary Peyton. All would have gone for it on 4th down IMHO.
For a complete dissertation on the subject I will point you to advancednflstats.com which has numerous articles, stats and graphs to satisfy the hidden nerd in any of us.
One more thing, I’ve got to really appreciate Pioli’s eye for picking talent. Not just players but coaches as well. Consider this, the decision to pick Haley over McDaniels could have as big an impact as picking Manning over Leaf.

by paulredfish on Oct 27, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree,

with disagreeing respectfully. however, that point about kicking field goals that past coaches would have probably made, well, i think you’re right, they would. and not a soul would have second guessed those decisions because it puts points on the board. i understand that field position is crucial. i understand lots of things like that. however, outcomes of games are judged by the scoreboard. and until they change that, i will always be for putting more points up there, even if it means conceeding going for it on 4th and 2 with a play that everyone in the building knew was coming. even if it means that worst case scenario, peyton gets the ball on his own two, or maybe three in the event of alost yard. just doesnt make sense. i remember sitting on my couch cursing the television thinking, TIE THE GAME!!!! PUT THE POINTS UP!!!!

by brand0n84 on Oct 27, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Be prepared to scream some more this year my friend

I do not think our Tiger will change his stripes anytime soon.

The funny thing is I was screaming at my TV last year and thinking Haley was the wrong coach for this team. One columnist had him as the most despised coach in the league last year. Funny how things change in one year. Now his is so far the odds on favorite for coach of the year this year so far.
I am happy to admit that I was ignorant.
It seems that coaches and quarterbacks are like fine wine. They get better with age. It is time to turn your bottles coach Vermiel and about time for our QB Matt Cassel to turn over and rest easy. The criticism will quell as the season progresses. I have been critical of his faults in the past but always rooting for his progression. One day in December while warming my hands over the coals of an Arrowhead grill a fellow Chief fan may join me by the flame donning the same #7 jersey as I. As conversation ensues Arroowheadpride fills our thoughts. Nice to tip a glass with you HIV. ;-)

by paulredfish on Oct 27, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

going for it on fourth down wasnt really the problem to me

It looked like the players werent ready to go for it and the play looked rushed. And even with our great running game and Cassel at QB i would rather see play action in that situation, but thats coaching philosophy so i cant argue with the playcall

by Mayday07 on Oct 27, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I wish I remembered...

Is how many points we’ve scored off turnovers…

by Bsketbal52 on Oct 27, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was 27 when they put up the stat in Houston.

We didn’t score any off turnovers that game but got 14 more against the Jags.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Oct 27, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I think we got 21 off turnovers against the Jags though didn’t we??

by Bsketbal52 on Oct 27, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

however,

if you consider a turnover on downs an actual turnover, that stat isnt true. if you consider a turnover on downs as a turnover, then its at least 3 points, because when the chiefs failed on 4th and 2 against indy, peyton manning drove them down for a field goal on the insuing drive.

by brand0n84 on Oct 27, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good read and PI

Before HS and College football changed this from a spot foul to a 15 yd. penalty at the most many teams got “hometowned”, or screwed however you want to put it. Being able to give a team 40 plus yards on one play is a big game changer obviously so amending this rule was necessary. Your never going to stop the bad PI calls so the NFL needs to make this a 15 yd. penalty at the most so the refs are not deciding the game.

by chief66 on Oct 27, 2010 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

That creates a different problem...

and that is, Corners tackling receivers when they’re burnt to only give up 15 yards instead of (for instance) a spot 45 yards down the field

by Cupadacoff on Oct 27, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

forgot to hit the reply button

It already takes place in the NFL. Any DB that gets burned at the outset of the play, if he has one-on-one coverage is going to do this anyway. If the DB gets burned deep, he is not going to be in a position to bring down the WR. Coaches hate penalties. If you are close enough to make a play on the man, then make a play for the ball.

by chief66 on Oct 27, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would probably happen more if

they knew the spot would be 30 yards behind them though, just my opinion though

by Cupadacoff on Oct 27, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

We'll disagree on whether or not it may happen more.

No way a ref should be able to give a team 52 yds. on one play just in case the ref. gets the call wrong. That way a team is only hurt a little instead of alot based upon a mistake? We should all be able to agree on that.

by chief66 on Oct 27, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

True about the corners

but there is no guarantee that the receiver will catch he ball. It really shouldn’t be any farther than 15 yards and a first down. IMHO

by tybme on Oct 27, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here is what I hate

When the refs blow a call like this, which should be challengable (word?), nothing happens. If a coach complains about calls he gets fined (or player). If a WR starts to go low, and the defender then hits him in the head, he is fined. They say it isn’t the refs fault “cause the game is so fast” well the game is fast for the players too. Yet if the coaches or players mess up or complain they get fined. Nothing happens to the refs.

by MidMo Chiefs Fan on Oct 27, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

It already takes place

in the NFL. Any DB that gets burned at the outset of the play, if he has one-on-one coverage is going to do this anyway. If the DB gets burned deep, he is not going to be in a position to bring down the WR. Coaches hate penalties. If you are close enough to make a play on the man, then make a play for the ball.

by chief66 on Oct 27, 2010 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Here is an interesting number: 4

- 4 times last season Cassel was sacked 5 times in a game (the total of sack through 6 games).

The ability to protect Cassel, and Cassel’s ability to avoid taking sacks might be the thing that surprises me most of all about the season so far.

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by saskwatch on Oct 27, 2010 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

The ref's are deciding games, and on numerous occasions.

Remember Calvin Johnson’s TD that wasn’t and the Lions lose? How about a fumble, Pittsburgh, that wasn’t and the Dolphins lose? An interception that was in in the end zone but wasn’t as he landed on a leg and wasn’t down. So many penalties that are questionable, and not reviewable, and so many that are and the “new” rules make it wrong. It seems to me there is a fox in the chicken coop
Also if I am a defensive back that gets unjustly flagged because the NFL and Television moguls want exciting tv, I will absolutely take the head off a WR any chance I get and pay the fine.

by dubld on Oct 27, 2010 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I mostly agree

but the Calvin Johnson TD is a bad example b/c they got that call right according to the rules.

"Wow! Eric Berry can do anything!"

by aasukisuki on Oct 27, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

more like 10 ... good read, interesting (mostly) and love the roster spots questions (RB & OT)
100 – The number of minutes it probably took for you to read this post. Thanks for letting me ramble.

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by upamtn on Oct 27, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Excellent, excellent post!!

Great read and very interesting!

by Chieftain58 on Oct 27, 2010 10:40 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

1-5

1-5. If we talked about who’s record this would be at this point in the season, either the Chiefs or the Cowboys, how many would have guessed Chiefs? I not talking about on AP, league wide? Who’d thunk it? Oh yeah, US!

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by Wichita Chief on Oct 27, 2010 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Officiating crew

Wasn’t this the same crew we had for a pre season game this year when they gave the opposition an extra down int he red zone?

As for Pass interference calls, make it a fixed yardage penalty in both directions. Why spot the ball on the 2yd line just because the QB managed to hurl it from the middle of no where into the end zone for jump ball?

Blame my wife!
Waiting until August 2011

by sir eccles on Oct 27, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

93 <- # of pass attempts without a pick so far

And I probably just jinxed it but ya know what, it’s def worth mentioning!

by KCinIL on Oct 27, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

+7

Really love this stat as well!!!!

by Bsketbal52 on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

In regards to OT depth....

When Albert injured his wrist this season, against SF I think it was, they moved Brian Waters over to LT and Asamoah to LG.

Is JC Jesus Christ or Jamaal Charles? I think they both will be our savior.

by 25JCPavedTheWay on Oct 27, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

matt cassell

sure seems like he’s getting much better getting rid of the ball and not taking the sack.

by kcchiefs19 on Oct 27, 2010 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Great Post.

It’s amazing to see just how much those terrible Pass Interference calls have actually hurt us. They have to make that reveiwable…I agree. If you can hurt a team that much and change the momentum that much…it needs to be reviewable.

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by GetRight on Oct 27, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I like how Matt -

Rushes to the End Zone and ‘body lifts’ the receiver anytime a TD pass is caught.

But, when he rushed back into the pile after Battle was hit late – well, I think a corner was turned on who’s team it is..

by chiefsfan62 on Oct 27, 2010 12:19 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

The commentators said that Matt Cassel should have stepped away from the pile to avoid a fine. I disagree. Matt Cassel needs to find every opportunity to win over his team. Stepping in and backing his teammate, regardless of the consequence, was just what he needed to do

Couldn’t disagree more. Cassel getting hurt or suspended a game isn’t going to help the team win.

by bonesjackson on Oct 27, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

1

the number of Cox in this story!

I like Jon’s posts, very well thoguht out and worth the read. :)

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Oct 27, 2010 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I dont want all replays to be fair game for review

but to put the ball on the one…I dont know, maybe something where if its a PI over 25 yards you could start to put stipulations in based on where it is on the field…handing them the ball on the one yard line from a bad call…I mean it just defeats the purpose of playing defense…Time and time again I see a defender make a great physical play much like WR’s do and get flagged for it…the only time I see the O PI called was when we had Tony G…stupid colts game

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Oct 27, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

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