Bernard Pollard, Wade Smith Fined $5,000 In Chiefs vs. Texans Game
A pair of former Kansas City Chiefs players are getting hit where it hurts after Sunday's game between the Chiefs and Houston Texans: the pocketbook. According to Houston's FOX affiliate, S Bernard Pollard and G Wade Smith -- both former Chiefs -- have been fined $5,000 for infractions in Sunday's game.
Pollard was fined for a late hit against Thomas Jones pushing him out of bounds.
"I understand the people who makes the rules are trying to bring safety to the game," Pollard said, "but how do you go to a bullfight and say,'be safe?""
I gotta side with Pollard on this one. That was a very tame push in the back at the end of the play.
As for Wade Smith, he was fined for a personal foul he received, specifically a leg whip.
Also fined for the Texans in the game was LB Adelwale Ogunleye for a late hit on Chiefs QB Matt Cassel.
(H/T oldchiefsfan)
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Is it just me or are these fines starting to get a lil ridiculious?
by ~chief_ganja_king~ on Oct 22, 2010 2:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
its not just you
this is getting a little silly.
by kcchief77 on Oct 22, 2010 2:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
Looked like to me that Pollard was intentionally trying to injure TJ…by pushing him into that kicking net thing.
Who was I discussing this very thing with the other day? I forget. Anyway…I’m shocked that a fine was handed out.
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
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Probably me.
I thought it was worthy of the 15 yard penalty, but not anything that particularly upset me. All things considered, I was glad it happened, considering Jones wasn’t injured (nor was really put in any danger).
(Hopefully, I won’t be accused of being a Texans troll again.)
I think it probably was...
But, I didn’t accuse you of being a Troll. Just to clear up any confusion.
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
Nah...that's cool.
Just didn’t want anyone else thinking that.
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
Tarkus lives under a bridge and waits for little children to come along
… then he steals their money before he allows them to pass over the bridge …
he’s obviously a Troll Collector
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The fines are getting out of hand.
And an even bigger problem with the whole situation is because of how the game is played and what’s being fined 90% of the time the guys getting the fines are going to be defensive players.
Shame that they aren’t taking these fines to the referee crews as well. I still say if you’re going to fine players for their blattant screw ups in order to better the game then some of these ref crews need to be fined as well.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
The refs aren’t putting other peoples’ health in jeopardy.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
He's more speaking towards keeping officials accountable
In all this helmet to helmet talk, I have heard almost nothing about how there are flags being thrown at the wrong time, but then there are hits where no flags are thrown but the player later receives a fine. I think we know what it is like to see a flag thrown when a foul is not committed and that timing of the flag can be at the worst possible time. If the referees are confused about the rules, then how are all the players and coaches supposed to know what is right?
by theaxeeffect4721 on Oct 22, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
And I’m saying that fines aren’t the way to go. Maybe reduce their role on the crew or something, I’m not exactly sure what the evaluation process is like right now. But to take money away from a person for making a split-second mistake is only going to make them more tentative.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
I think the bad crews are kept out of playoff games
which certainly equals a loss in pay.
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
Which is a big difference in a deduction in pay for a bad call.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
As long as human beings are used to officiate...
There are going to be bad / blown calls. There will be mistakes.
Overall, most of them do a pretty good job though. You just rarely hear about the 99 plays they called right. It’s just that one bad one.
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
Agreed. So what do you do to fix the mistakes that really impact the game? Expand replay? Maybe. I could see it expanded to, say, penalties that result in 15+ yards or a first down.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Well...
That’s the million dollar question right there. If anyone has any great ideas (that will actually work)…I’m sure the League would be interested in hearing them.
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
Id like to see expanded replay for certain penalties.
I find it hillarious that the reason the league keeps giving for not doing that is that it will ruin the flow of the game when teams still only have 2 challenges so I don’t understand where they come to that conclusion.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 22, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely. A play shouldn’t have to have a black or white answer (e.g. did he get in/did he not) to be reviewable.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
But, that's where the problem comes in...
Unless it is black and white, then it’s almost impossible to make the call (on replay). All your going to get is another opinion. And five guys can look at a play…and all see it a different way.
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
If you keep the rules about needing irrefutable evidence you limit it to calls that are obviously blown. Replay isn’t needed the overwhelming majority of the time, but it could be useful to reverse calls that are obviously wrong.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Playoffs is a bonus check though.
They need to be penalized for the job they’re getting paid to do. I’m not suggesting singling out individual refs because as far as im concerned the reffing crew is one unit and they are all able to correct the mistakes of eachother. It would also spread out the fine over 6 or 7 guys which would make it less of a blow financially but at the same time definitely get their attention.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 22, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not like they’re intentionally blowing the calls, or at least I hope not. So what do they do instead once you’ve gotten their attention?
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Guys aren't intentionally hitting helmet to helmet either.
Or doing any of the other infractions. It’s about accountability. I’m talking strictly blattant misses. I understand they’re human and the game moves fast but there are multiple sets of eyes watching every play and there’s no reason to have blattant horrible calls.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 22, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The guys hitting helmet to helmet can learn techniques that don’t require them to fly through the air with their face towards the ground. It’s not impossible
Horrible calls are a “blattant” to us because we have the chance to watch it two or three times from a thousand different angles. The refs have one opportunity from the ground to see what happened. Very few things are that spelled out when a decision has to be made in a matter of seconds.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
It's a very tough job.
Thats why they hire seasoned executives when they should hire ex players who have the ability to perform their duties. It would create a world of goodwill between the NFLPA and the league. The ex players “get it” and I think the officiating would be better.
"The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong is to let him have his way" Josh Billings
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I don't think ex-players would necessarily be better refs
But I do think the league should get some former players on the committee to deal with the fines they are handing out right now. I think that would be a something they could do right away that would build goodwill AND protect players.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
agree with the referees
I do not see why things like the Flowers/Johnson interence call that is so blatantly wrong do not get fined. I’d be good with that. Or allow them to be challenged. (Pass interference cannot be right?)
22.
by kabrink on Oct 22, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats an idea! Or, better yet, require them to get a 95% acceptance rate
voted on by the head coaches at the end of each year so they can stay in the league. Hey, only the top 5% of the players stay in the ranks, why not the refs?
"spend all your time on Xs and Os and Jimmys and Joes" -- Charlie Weis
Every reciver knows there is or was a price to be paid going over the middle to make a catch.
Now you might get a fine if you make a hit on someone. This is terrable for football.
No, you get a fine if you make an ILLEGAL hit on someone. There are plenty of ways to make a big hit legally.
The decision of whether to go across the middle or not is made with the assumption that the other members of the game are going to play within the rules.
Do I think the fines are excessive? Yes, but it’s not going to have much of an impact on the game.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
by JComp11 on Oct 22, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It puts the game in the ref's hands. You can throw a flag on any play.
Just like holding they can throw a flag for holding on about eveyplay. Why don’t they play flag football.
by OJ In Nevada on Oct 22, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Just like holding they can throw a flag for holding on about eveyplay.
So they’ve been able to throw a flag on every play for holding but the game hasn’t been ruined by that. How is it going to be different for personal fouls? The difference is fines and suspensions. The rules haven’t changed.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
by JComp11 on Oct 22, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was wondering that too
The refs can affect that game as much or as little as they’d like. Nothing’s changed as far as that goes.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
It is
but I thought it looked unintentional.
I was surprised it drew a flag and now a fine! that’s ridiculous, IMO!
I will admit that Matt Cassel is not the "Franchise QB" that every fan hoped he would be when we traded for him. We don't have a better option so I say we ride this out, make a decision on 2011 after the season, and draft a freaking project QB!
If you read KaloPhoenix's breakdown of the front seven
you’ll see that Mr. Wade Smith got away with a few other leg whips without penalty.
If he does it a few times a game it’s not unintentional, even if he is only flagged once
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Intent is not part of the rule anyway.
People get called for blocking in the back all the time, though they probably didn’t intend to.
Agreed
but a fine should only be on obvious intential “leg whips”
I will admit that Matt Cassel is not the "Franchise QB" that every fan hoped he would be when we traded for him. We don't have a better option so I say we ride this out, make a decision on 2011 after the season, and draft a freaking project QB!
I didn't get a chance to read that this week
but thanks for clearing that up.
He should get fined then, no doubt.
I’ll look up Kalo’s post.
BTW guys – Kalo = Defense, Beswaf = O-line
I will admit that Matt Cassel is not the "Franchise QB" that every fan hoped he would be when we traded for him. We don't have a better option so I say we ride this out, make a decision on 2011 after the season, and draft a freaking project QB!
As Bewsaf pointed out in his weekly analysis of the front 7
Wade Smith also went out our D-Linemen’s knees on multiple occasions (while they were engaged with another O-Lineman).
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While the push by Pollard wasn't much
It was completely unnecessary, and was done after TJ had let up. He was pushed into the kicking net for no reason. Would everyone consider it a silly fine if Jones were injured on the fall because his cleats got caught up in the net? Probably not…
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
Yes, I would still have considered the fine ridiculous even if Jones got hurt
If Pollard was trying to hurt him it wouldn’t have been a push. It was penalized correctly and that was all that play justified. The fine is ridiculous, period.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
I think the league is looking at this from a revenue standpoint...
Not to make revenue from the fines, but what if a star player is hurt by an “illegal hit”? Owners could say, “they took out my $60 million dollar man and now there’ll be less fans in the seats on Sundays.” I think they’re just trying to set a precedent, “if you’re going to do the extracurriculars after the play is over or hit someone helmet to helmet, we’re going to hit you where it hurts as well….in the pocket book.”
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions
While i Don't agree with what those 3 guys did
i must say the NFL is becoming a fine happy league i have 2 reaso i think there going this route
- there being greedy and with the CBA Labor dispoute theymust be secertaly losing money and are stealing the players money for cheirty instead of using it to help the retired players
- or they are in the hole as far as paying for there stupids cheritys so they are fining players left and right to make up the money the should be using for the retired players who need it more then those stupid charities
bottomline the fines have gone to far and the NFL has become vary fine happy sadly!
by ChiefsFan4Life8884 on Oct 22, 2010 2:47 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think you're seeing it in the right light....
Owners have a large amount of money invested in players…at least certain players. They need those players on the field, not nursing injuries, especially if that injury was caused by some safety making himself into a human missile pointed at someones head.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
outrage
This is the new form of football I was watching old highlights of old school football and the guys back in the day prided them selfs on being tuff playing with broken hands broken legs making the big hit the game changing play by crushing a reciever over the middle
Those plays and type of players r long gone. I understand that the nfl wants to keep players safe but its like telling a boxer to not get in the ring u play at ur own risk that’s what makes the game great not many people can take that hit give that hit and walk away these guys r trained to hit trained to take hits its what they do. I see it as the nfls medical bills r way to high and they can’t afford guys getting payed out the rest of their career its become a joke. Like I said I agree let’s keep the game safe but understand this is a game built on toughness not weakness.
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by sexassassin on Oct 22, 2010 2:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
And a lot of those guys are suffering, now, for their earlier glories.
When you’re young, it’s great to wow folks. You’re not thinking about the ultimate price you’re paying until you’re old (like me) and every joint aches, and some days you can barely walk.
BUt they get paid sooo much more now, than back then.
I see what your saying an your right but if those players got the kinda treatment the players now are getting than i think its a whole different story.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Oct 22, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
The Pollard penalty wasn’t’ a devastating hit. I think it was the fact that it was clearly unnecessary that made it a fine. If you inflict gratuitous violence after the play, you’re being stupid and malicious, and so even though it wasn’t a HARD push, it was gratuitous, and he deserved to be slapped.z
I hope the Dunta Robinson fine is overruled. I hope they revisit the “defenseles WR” rule, which I still don’t really understand.
That's probably true.
It wasn’t that it was a vicious hit, but the fact that it was so far out of bounds that it was clearly intentional. I don’t really care one way or another on the fine (it’s his money, not mine), but I can see where the league is coming from.
I think the rules/interpretations as they relate to protecting the QBs are ridiculous.
Everybody wants Brodie Croyle to have a shot. I understand that. But…
they better not forget to fit him for the body cast
in case he actually does play.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a Chief
so I like him too. Someone’s gotta take some of the heat off of Cassel. That’s the #2’s job!
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
If he's really that "brittle"...
Then Haley and Pioli are morons for wasting a roster spot on him.
I think Brodie has just had some bad breaks. (Pun intended) Not to mention a shitty O-line. I think he would do just fine in a game now…as far as being injured.
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
It was all in good fun, Scott
but I too hope he can do a great job if ever called upon.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know.
Didn’t mean to come off as being pissy.
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
I'd like to see something a little MORE aggressive about going for the knees in the tackle box.
That’s chickenshit, and the Texans pulled a lot of that last Sunday. They have a very good line. Very physical. Knock off the cheap shots. Win straight up, if you’re man enough, but I hate that shit more than I hate the “defenseless WR” stuff.
Yeah, that's where all the safety stuff the NFL is spouting comes off as hot air
A lot of the players have said they’d take a concussion over a knee injury. But despite a lot of complaints from players the NFL doesn’t take a strong stance against those hits. They won’t even make a clear rule about it – Dr. Z said for years that the chop block could be a simple rule – no cutting a man unless you are head up on him. They should put that in place and enforce it with the enthusiasm they do with QB hits and head shots. If they did I could be a little more understanding about some of the fines they are putting in place now.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
That's just ignorance on their part.
A lot of the players have said they’d take a concussion over a knee injury.
You can still lead a very satisfying life with injured legs, but let’s see how they do with dementia and Alzheimers.
or ALS
I changed my stance on these big hits after seeing the Real Sports segment. These guys can’t talk, they have a computer that speaks for them after they’ve essentially typed their sentences with their eyes. It’s a slow, painful death as all of the muscles in their body slowly stop functioning and they can no longer breathe. I love the game, but I want to see the players life long, healthy lives with their families.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
You're saying that concussions cause ALS?
Again, please show the studies.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
Head trauma causes ALS
if you’re able to get on AP, you can certainly use Google. I don’t need to post link after link to prove the facts.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, I did just that
First link was the NIH website. It does not make any mention of head trauma, but you can read it for yourself. Here’s the link – http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/amyotrophiclateralsclerosis/detail_amyotrophiclateralsclerosis.htm.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
Evidently, because not one of those links support your claim
They say that repeated head trauma MAY cause diseased that is LIKE ALS. That is a far cry from saying ALS is caused by concussions.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
Since it's all about semantics...
The repetitive head trauma often experienced by athletes who play football or other contact sports could eventually lead to diseases such as ALS, researchers from the Boston University School of Medicine (BUSM) and the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) have discovered.
BUSM associate professor of neurology and pathology Ann McKee led the study, which discovered that damage caused by repeated blows to the head could led to motor neuron disease (MND), a neurological condition which hampers voluntary muscle movements. ALS, which is also known as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis or Lou Gehrig’s disease, is one common example of this type of ailment.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
even if you're going to point to "could eventually lead"..
Why risk it?
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You have totally lost track of my original comment
Great the league is worried about player safety with concussions, but they’ve ignored some serious issues with hits that lead to knee injuries despite complaints from players, both past and present. If they want to talk about player safety, I would like to see them address that.
You don’t have to make claims about the long term effect of concussions to want to get rid of them either. Steve Young, Troy Aikman and Trent Green all had their careers shortened because of concussions.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
I wasn't trying to dispute your original comment
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Just so ya know
I whole heartedly believe that guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Yet there’s a lot of gun control in our laws.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
we need PEOPLE control
loved Chris Rock’s bit about making bullets cost $10,000 each
robber: this is a stick up, gimme your wallet
man: no way, what, you gonna shoot me?
robber: if I had the kind of money I needed for a bullet I wouldn’t NEED to rob you
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The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
I'm from Missouri
show me scientific evidence that your comment has any relevance. Or that one concussion is more debilitating than one knee injury. You’re comment is about stuff that is pure speculation. Almost any knee injury will affect a player for life. Plenty of concussions have no long term effects and they can recover more quickly.
So show me the documented studies that show that concussions lead to dementia and Alzheimer’s or put the pseudo-science in the trash can where it belongs.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
I was aware of there being some concern about REPEATED concussions.
My comment was about A concussion vs. A knee injury. To my knowledge none (and a quick perusal) none of them show causality, simply correlation. Other possible factors could be at play (like steroid use), or even vascular damage due to repeated body blows. But it doesn’t need to be an either or situation. The league should be treating hits that unnecessarily damage knees more seriously than they do.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
You don't have repeated concussions without the first one.
I’m not sure I get your point. They either address concussions or they don’t. They can’t say one is okay, but after that they’re going to stop them.
Yes, a single knee injury can be serious, but so can a single head/neck injury.
I'd also like to see SOME sort of review process be enabled for those pass interference calls.
Not sure if it’s practical, though. It’s easy to forget what a cluster fuck the original challenge rules were, and how stultifying it was. The current system is really not that bad, except for the flat-out WRONG calls.
I for one hope people DON'T get what they wish for
I like the human element of the game and it’s played knowing that noone is perfect. Unless you’re playing QB for KC of course or calling a Chiefs game. Refs just like players, are going to make mistakes and it’s just one of the givens that you go with.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Oct 22, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the human element part of the game...
only as it relates to the players. If robots could officiate better than humans, I’d be all for it. I don’t watch the game for the officials. That said, I agree with judgment calls not being reviewable, because, as Scott B. said, you’d just be getting another opinion.
Well, that assumes you'd add more challenges.
I’d be against it, even if they maintained the 2+1 challenge rule.
I guess you might be right
…thinking back to 1985 Game 6. I liked the “human element” at that time.
22.
Can he be fined just for being Pollard
and not being able to cover a scarecrow?
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Sounds like the
league offices are gonna be very busy from now on with all the grievances about to be filed…..
by Shank Williams Jr on Oct 22, 2010 5:14 PM CDT reply actions
NFL drops Shaun Smith’s fine
"I fought the case, and I’m happy," Smith said. "But (it doesn’t erase) all the bashing of my name and all that stuff. I have kids and my kids looked at it.
"I was just happy to get it resolved. It was hanging over my head since week three, and now it’s not. People accuse you of stuff all the time. Stuff like this happens all the time. That’s why you have the appeal process to go through, to get everything the right way."
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/21/2341392/nfl-drops-shaun-smiths-fine.html
what a dumbass qoute
By pollard he knows what he did and he did it on purpose
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