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Earlier this season we saw a pair of players -- Cleveland Browns C Alex Mack and San Francisco 49ers RT Anthony Davis -- accuse Kansas City Chiefs DE Shaun Smith of grabbing them below the belt.

I think the reaction from Chiefs fans was something along the lines of, 'Hey, whatever helps you win.' I'm in the same boat -- it's only cheating if you get caught.

A story in Deadspin this week would suggest that LB Mike Vrabel subscribes to that line of thinking.

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Here's an excerpt from a book by Anthony Gargano -- NFL Unplugged: The Brutal, Brilliant World of Professional Football -- as former Eagles LB Ike Reese explains trying to recover a fumble during a punt return against the Patriots.

"Mike Vrabel grabbed my sac," Reese said. "We're all scrambling for the ball and Mike Vrabel had my nuts so hard I was screaming. I didn't even have the ball. He had my shit in his hands and he's squeezing. We don't wear cups. So I'm dying. Everything is fair game. The pile clears and I see him — now Mike, he's an Ohio guy, and I played against him at Ohio State when I was at Michigan State — and he's smiling and shit at me. I turned to him and said, ‘You fuckin' asshole.'"

Check out the full excerpt over at Deadspin and you can find quite a few other stories like this.

(H/T IISaintII)

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There's that nastiness (thanks jrcnc) being imported to our defense.

It’s football. It’s not a pretty sport. It happens to our guys. It happens to theirs. The toughest SOB’s on the field win out at the end of the day.

In other news – anyone else notice that half the shots we see of Haley on the sidelines, Shaun Smith is always near?

Not sure what that means yet. But I think he may be a smart player, and continually getting himself involved with the game at a level higher than his own position on the field.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Oct 20, 2010 7:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Or Haley

maybe haley wants to keep a close eye on him

by Fourstrike89 on Oct 20, 2010 7:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

See, I'd suspect the opposite

Out of fear for his own cash and prizes, he may want to keep him down at the other end of the bench!

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Oct 20, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you're not cheating, you're not trying.

Getting caught is the problem.

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by severn58 on Oct 20, 2010 7:48 AM CDT reply actions  

No Offense

but there’s a lot worse that goes on beneath the pile in European Rugby. Guys purposely growing their fingernails long so they can try to claw and rake the shit out of somesome, cheapshots, etc.

The NFL almost seems like a gentlemen’s game in comparison to some of the similar situations around the world. Especially now with the league cracking down on dangerous hits at the professional level. I wouldn’t make to much out of this.

by jcru on Oct 20, 2010 7:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah I think thats the point

That the reaction has been ‘Whatever it takes to win’ because this is common.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

The real story right now

is the major fines being given for the hits this weekend. The NFL is setting precedent here. You can do that on this level. These guys are owned by their teams and this league.

It’s ironic, because from a young age you are taught… if someone tries to come over the middle to catch a pass, nail em. The hope being, you’ll intimidate them and they won’t try it again.

That doesn’t work at this level. You can hit someone coming over the middle as hard as you want, and they’ll still come right back the very next play if that’s what’s called. If they don’t, they won’t have much of a future in this league.

At this level, if you make it standard across the board, that these players can no longer do that, that it’s illegal and punishable by fine or suspension, they flat out won’t do it. They’ll grumble and complain about it, but that’s the difference between pro football and football at other levels.

by jcru on Oct 20, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

btw

Not sure if you heard this or not, you have your finger on the pulse of the NFL it seems, but the news here in N.E. is that the defense is going to pool their money together to pay Meriweather’s 50k fine.

by jcru on Oct 20, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, not sure that's how it works

From what I understood it’s taken straight from your paycheck.

Fines go to charity anyway.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

They could always just reimburse him (at least partially).

I didn’t take that to mean that they would directly be paying his fine.

by Tarkus on Oct 20, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck yes! Love that 3-4 dong grab.

I don’t comment on this site for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it. I comment for the people that have always believed in me. I comment for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that.

by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 20, 2010 7:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I still disagree with the "whatever it takes to win" when it involves dirty plays like that

and Joel, the line “ot’s only cheating if you get caught” is not at all true … cheating is cheating, regardless of being caught … it doesn’t make one’s actions right, it only means that one doesn’t suffer consequences for those action, at least that time

“whatever it takes to win” … I think we tend to forget that it’s a game, entertainment … this isn’t national security, no lives are on the line, it’s not a war against The Evil Empire … it’s a game

it’s a sport … you know, sportsmanship

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by upamtn on Oct 20, 2010 7:59 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Agree in Theory!

I’m torn on this one…

Love the passion of a team that fights, scratches and claws its way to victory. Especially since the Chiefs of the past decade have been a bit passive and lacking in basic toughness.

Still, I agree with Up on this that some of this goes beyond basic sportsmanship. I guess that, like Up, I want our team to be tough, without going over the line. Stuff-grabbing is a bit over the line, I reckon.

by Chief_Elmo on Oct 20, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I gotta agree on this. Basic Sportmenship is about all you can hope for when folks are deriving their livelihood from it.

They are going to do any and everything that gives them an edge. We all can recite the “winning is everything” quote, and its taught from a very young age…separate man from ball, “if that man comes over the middle, you make him pay for it!” …whatever it takes. Once someone gets to the point where they make a living from it, its different. I say that because, in business, if someone screws your brains out with the most underhanded thing possible to get an edge, they pass it off as “Nothing personal, it’s just business.” NFL Professional Football is based on a game, yes. But make no mistake, its absolutely big business with billions at stake, and you do anything, everything, to win. To think of it any other way is just fooling ourselves about the obvious (just my opinion).

I don’t begrudge them a little diggin’ and pokin’ in the pile. It’s been going on for like, forever. Is it 100% Marquis of Queensberry clean? Hell no. Never has been. American Football has always been a tough, violent sport. Closeline and Horsecollar tackles, legwhips and tripping, all have been legislated away. But, can we truly say Chop blocks are any less ugly and unsportsmanlike? Shannarat used to teach it. A chop block can take out a knee; possibly ending a career. A nutsack grab may hurt and give someone a temporary advantage, but I doubt any long lasting physical effects. Mentally, you may remember it for a long time, and that’s the objective. Mental toughness will give you that longlasting edge.

I remember Pop Warner football. 1st season. One of our players came to the sidelines and complained about getting grabbed “down there”. Our Coach put his hands on the kids shoulders and told him “Son, if that boy wants to hit you in the personals, then you line up against him on the very next play, you block him so hard you knock him down. You keep doing it until he leaves you alone.” It works. Its part of growing up and facing adversity.

I do draw the line at spitting in someone’s ace like Romanowski (sp?) did. I think I remember hearing him say he snapped a few fingers in the pile also. That’s too far in my book. Should it be penalized? Dunno. Maybe a left hook to the jaw would be better served, but that’s just me.

"spend all your time on Xs and Os and Jimmys and Joes" -- Charlie Weis

by rwalke10 on Oct 20, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

rwalke ... so where IS that "line" ... hwere SHOULD it be drawn?
We all can recite the "winning is everything" quote, and its taught from a very young age …

yeah, and that’s part of my issue with it, it’s a societal thing, it’s invasive and it teaches the wrong thing, I believe … when little league parents are screaming at umpires and refs, what are they actually modelling for their kids? (and other kids) … poor sportsmanship, and at THAT level it’s not “just business” …

being tough, both physically AND mentally is no question part of it, but being adult and sane about it counts too … not ALL players go out for finger breaking, grabbing balls, spitting, pinching, etc etc … pile or no pile, class and respect rule the day in my book

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by upamtn on Oct 20, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Ups!

yeah, and that’s part of my issue with it, it’s a societal thing, it’s invasive and it teaches the wrong thing, I believe … when little league parents are screaming at umpires and refs, what are they actually modelling for their kids? (and other kids) … poor sportsmanship, and at THAT level it’s not "just business" …

I’m 100% in agreement with you here Ups. Pop Warner is exactly where sportsmanship needs to be taught and enforced. And actually, even before that—it needs to be taught IN THE HOME. Other than parent’s bruised ego’s (who grew up as brats themselves), one would normally find that a good foundation in sportsmanship is desired and encouraged by a majority of parents.

I also agree its a societal issue, and professional sports seem to mimic society as a whole. Where do you draw the line? I don’t know Ups. I know in a perfect world it would be as you say, and I would welcome it. Sadly that is not anywhere close to the reality in which we live. The pile isn’t fair, Life isn’t fair, nor does it claim to be. Hell, even the weather isn’t fair! You have to learn to play with what you’re dealt—hold ’em or fold ’em.

The problem lies in there is a line between professional sports and amateur sports. The NFL is a brutal, take no prisoners sport. its only resembleance to Pop Warner is the basic structure. Being a realist, I see no forseeable way you’re going to be able to remove or enforce ways to make it a perfectly level playing field. Anytime people make their living from it, they’re going to find ways to give themselves an advantage. In the NFL’s top 100 who played the game I recently saw a Raider (name escapes me) who had a ‘broken thumb’ only on gamedays. Dunno what was wrapped up under the bandage, but it was admittedly used to gouge the eyes of his opponents. People will find a way to get an edge. Whether it be steroids, cutting a fastball, corking a bat, or yes, even grabbing in the pile, its going to happen. Count on it. What makes steroid use worse than grabbing in the pile? They’re both illegal, no? What about an uncalled facemask? Should a player practice good sportsmanship and turn themselves in?

While we both would love 100% sportsmanship, I feel the pile grabbing stuff to be minor, and too much effort to curtail. It happens WAAY more than you or I realize…pretty much in just about every pile you see on an NFL field. Not to mention Rugby, Australian Rules Football, and heaven forbid, Hockey.

being tough, both physically AND mentally is no question part of it, but being adult and sane about it counts too … not ALL players go out for finger breaking, grabbing balls, spitting, pinching, etc etc … pile or no pile, class and respect rule the day in my book

You’re right, not all players go for those finger/ball breaking, spitting/pinching/etc. The Brian Waters, Tom Brady’s, folks of high stature such as that. Those are true role models that everyone should strive to be more like. Then we also have Plaxico Burress’s at the other end of the league. The vast majority of NFL players are somewhere south of that lofty goal, and hopefully above Burress…

This has become entirely too long, and I apologize. I guess what I’m trying to say is, Ups, I agree with you completely that 100% class and sportsmanship should rule the day. It is most definately a goal to strive to. In the real world however, I am a realist. Therefore I see shades of gray, and not as much black and white. I don’t see grabbing in the pile as flagrant a cheat as steroids, wrapping weapons in my uniform padding, or grabbing a facemask and wrenching someone’s head around like a demonic possession.

Have a great day!

"spend all your time on Xs and Os and Jimmys and Joes" -- Charlie Weis

by rwalke10 on Oct 20, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, almost forgot!

I would venture a guess if you took Brian Waters or Tom Brady, or anyone whom you hold in high regard, and sat them down and asked them this question: “What do you do when you’re at the bottom of the pile?” I would bet you’d get a big smile, and not much else of an answer other than maybe “Protect yourself and try to get the football”…

…just sayin…

"spend all your time on Xs and Os and Jimmys and Joes" -- Charlie Weis

by rwalke10 on Oct 20, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's only a penalty if the refs call it

That’s the definition of it….why wouldn’t you try to push it? Were you against the 15-yard penalty on Anthony Davis that killed the 49ers drive? It’s not national security — which is part of my point. Something small like this gets to the other team and obviously works if the guy is complaining about it years later.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

the "if it works: sounds fine, Joel ... but that still doesn't make it right

more to the point: just because a ref can’t see it (and therefore doesn’t call it) doesn’t make it “legal” … much less right

as Elmo said (above) … I want my team tough, I want them to be scrappy and hard hitting (within the rules, of course) … but I don’t think there’s a NEED for dirty play (and “everyone else does it” is another lame excuse that I’ve seen on here as well … if it’s wrong, it wrong, called or not, caught or not)

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by upamtn on Oct 20, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im with you on this Ups (like most things I suppose)

And I blame my Jesuit education for it entirely. But two wrongs dont make a right and the ends do not justify the means. It is cheating, I dont like it and I dont like people on my team, or any other team, doing it.

If I was Shaun Smith I would be worried about someone doing a chop block on my knee.

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by nateforchiefs on Oct 20, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You will sing a different tune once you have kids.

I doubt the message you want to be sending your kids will be “as long as you don’t get caught…”.

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by BeijingKCfan on Oct 20, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+ 1 Million

and wreck’d

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by upamtn on Oct 20, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty good book.

I’m not sure how someone can read it and think an 18 game season is a good idea. It goes into some pretty grim details on how players make it from week to week with the pain/injuries they carry.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Oct 20, 2010 8:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I encourage everyone to read the entire deadspin post

and the book if possible, before commenting on a single paragraph excerpt about how it’s unsportsmanlike.

It’s relevant because it’s about a current Chiefs player, as well as a subject a different Chiefs player got fined for.

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Oct 20, 2010 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Right

It’s long, but a good read. Context helps, you’re right.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 20, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was an excellent read

and went a whole lot quicker than I expected. From eye gouging to finger breaking to sac grabbing… It covered a whole lot of bases!

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Oct 20, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's a great read, I agree ...

Simeon Rice is right:

But that’s not football. That’s stupidity.

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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by upamtn on Oct 20, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I ended up buying the book...

Here’s an excerpt from a section about the Chiefs:

The color of blood surrounds you inside Arrowhead Stadium. It drips from the fixtures of the place and from the seats in the stands and most especially from the people who occupy them on game day — splashed on teh Chiefs coats and Chiefs caps and Chiefs jerseys. It feels like you’re in the deep end of a pool of red, and isn’t red the perfect color for a football team? The color that’s associated with energy, courage, war, danger, strength, power, determination, and passion? The color that sparks emotion? That enhances our metabolism and raises our blood pressure? That’s used in several national flags because of its connotation of fierce pride?



And inside their place of pilgrimage, an older white man in a red windbreaker, who would years later wind up making wine in Napa Valley, stood in the middle of mostly young black men and led a battle cry.

“It so well defined what we have to do today,” Dick Vermeil howled. "We gotta go to work.

“All right. Offense?”

“GO TO WORK!” the players say in unison.
“Defense?” asks Vermeil.
“GO TO WORK!”
“Special teams?”
“GO TO WORK!”
“Coaches?” follows Vermeil.
“GO TO WORK!”
“Let’s go,” Vermeil urged. “Let’s go. Huddle up.”

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Oct 21, 2010 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sportsmanship is dead...

leave that to the kids playing Biddy Ball at the Salvation Army

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by HIV 2 Elway on Oct 20, 2010 8:22 AM CDT reply actions  

-1

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Oct 20, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thought it was interesting

That so many players justified illegal activity by saying that “their job is on the line.” To say that if you DON’T engage in the crotch grabbing, eye gouging and pinching (yes, pinching) that you could get fired for non-performance. How many of us would do what it took to keep our million dollar salary, even if it meant resorting to this? I think I would.

by Ozarks on Oct 20, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Cheating cheapens a won

If you are not tough enough to win outright and straight forward, if you have to sneak around or throw out principals then they should find a way to get better not worse. It’s weak.

by fishhooks on Oct 20, 2010 9:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

agreed

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Oct 20, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he was lonely...

I’d rather it be in the pile than in the showers….

God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.

by EyePod on Oct 20, 2010 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

That is what Shawn Smith said

Anyone notice that we have not won since it was made clear he had to stop grabbling guys’ sacks.

by buglerchris on Oct 20, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

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