Alex Magee Trade Shows How Far Ahead Chiefs '10 Draft Class Is
The Kansas City Chiefs trade of former 2009 third round pick Alex Magee has me thinking about the NFL draft.
Like most everyone else around here I'm fascinated by the NFL draft. All the players, scenarios and hope for the future is bottled up in a two-day event. Some years the draft looks like a science -- guys like Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome getting it right again and again is evidence of that. And then some years the draft falls flat for your team.
The latter would be the 2009 NFL draft for the Chiefs.
As far as contributors go, the Chiefs have Tyson Jackson and Ryan Succop playing while Donald Washington may be rising (started last week) and Jake O'Connell is a minor contributor. Other than that...the draft didn't produce much for the Chiefs.
One of the reasons I find the draft so fascinating is because you get things like the Chiefs 2010 draft the next year. After what was by many accounts a poor '09 draft, GM Scott Pioli came back and put together one of the best draft classes we've seen in recent memory. Think of the '09 draft -- and then think of the exact opposite -- and you've got the '10 draft.
So what's the explanation? How can there be two extremes?
The 2009 draft just isn't very good. Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News helps us quantify this: About a third of all '09 draft picks are not on their original team (as of Gosselin's posting about a month ago) a year and a half later. Gosselin's research shows this was, as a whole, one of the worst drafts we've seen in a while. I can buy this a little bit. There are still some gems out there but clearly the talent level isn't comparable in 2009 to other years.
GM Scott Pioli has a full year in. Pioli came from New England to Kansas City in January 2009 and then had the draft in April. He was scouting different players and positions in New England so maybe he didn't have the time necessary in 2009. This is a possible reason why it wasn't a great class (but I think it's kind of a weak excuse).
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I think you can survive a poor draft class. Maybe 2009 is just a hiccup and 2010 more accurately describes Pioli's future in Kansas City. It's when those bad drafts start multiplying that you're in trouble.
The broader story line here is just how far ahead the 2010 team (organization, really) is over 2009. We've been saying it a lot recently with the Chiefs success but the leap they took from year one to two in all aspects of the game -- scouting, NFL draft, free agency and, you know, winning games -- has been impressive. It's been fun watching it all go down after suffering all those bad memories in 2009.
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I don't mind Washington
As I remember, coming out of college he was very raw but everyone believed had he stayed another season he would of been a higher draft pick. Now he has switched from CB to safety. I wouldn’t mind seeing what he can do in a backup role, but he has no business starting. I’m still not sure why O’Connell is still on the team. He hasn’t showed much really.
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
Hali and Flowers are Pro Bowlers, even if the NFL fails to realise it
Washington has some upside, I think
But he’s gotta show it this year. We’ll see.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 19, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Washington is all "Project" at this point --- still
He might be our best specimen to fill this role (next to Berry), but the lack of PT has me worried.Lewis shows more savvy, I think, but might be too small/slow to hold the spot forever. I got the impression Washington started because he most likely practiced the most during the week?…. Or are the coaches trying to work him in an evaluate with game tape?
We must purge the Warfield from our system, grasshopper....
Lewis was injured IIRC
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 20, 2010 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Lewis can hold the fort for a while, but I think an upgrade would be better
He and McGraw aren’t the most talented guys around, but neither is so bad that their flaws can’t be masked by this defense. In my opinion FS is still the weak link, though, and the main reason why KC is in the bottom half in pass-defense.
The good news is that Lewis is good enough that KC won’t be forced into overpaying for a high-priced UFA or desperately reaching for a FS when no good ones are on the board, but there are some good safety prospects coming up the next year or two, and I think upgrading in the first three rounds would be an excellent idea.
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh
I’m willing to buy the “09 was a rotten year overall” argument for the poor draft for the Chiefs (and 2010 looks promising so far), but Washington was still a rotten draft pick. The kid sucks and I don’t see him being better than a fifth safety…best-case. I would be surprised to see him on the roster next year and barring injury to every other safety on the roster, he’s got no business starting.
Frankly, Magee fell into the same camp for me. A tweener DE/DT who wasn’t good enough at either position to be of much more use than someone off of waivers.
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Actually
Going off performance so far, in a few years we might be able to make the argument that the Chiefs really whiffed by not taking Clay Matthews instead of Tyson Jackson with their top pick. Looking like a standout 3-4 OLB.
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Orakpo?
3-4 OLBs are always boom-or-bust it seems. I don’t mind Pioli’s picks at all. No one really expected Orakpo or Matthews to explode the way they did, especially Matthews, so I didn’t mind passing on them.
It is clear that Pioli had and still has a plan for this team and that plan includes Tyson Jackson as our LDE for a long time.
Orakpo was one of my top two
The other was Eugene Monroe. I’m very interested to see him again this year (next week). Last year, he destroyed Glenn Dorsey so I’m anxious to see how he holds up against Dorsey and/or Hali.
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And I admit that it’s one reason I was nuts for Orakpo. But I really thought Jackson was a horrible reach (I valued him more like a late-1st or even later), and I’m positive Orakpo would’ve been better for KC.
On the other hand, this is hindsight. Who knew KC would strike gold when it pulled Shaun Smith into the fold? And if neither he nor Jackson were on the team right now, I’m pretty sure there’d be problems on that side of the front seven.
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Kind of like
KC > STL
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by Scaryclouds on Oct 19, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i liked what i saw from tyson jackson against san diego
is the guy ever going to play again though? best pick of 09 has to be succop.
by the great thunderlips on Oct 19, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed. There is no reason to rush him back.
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by nateforchiefs on Oct 19, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Smith's play seems to be dropping off a little though
I think he needs to be spelled a little more to be as effective as we’d like.
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He is a older than the rest isn't he?
It would be nice to get T-Jax back this week, I hope that week 1 wasn’t a fluke from him.
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by nateforchiefs on Oct 20, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I here a rumour!
Hey joel, i have heard that Adalius Thomas might be a chief soon. Anyone heard anything out there?
Slimfast
I hope he has become a stockholder
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by KeyboardGato on Oct 19, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
They just kind of float an idea out there
I think that’s the source of the twitter buzz
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by KeyboardGato on Oct 19, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Nick Athan
Those two words should be enough to squash any rumors.
He concocts these things all the time because it the only way he can get the hits. His analysis and “journalism” doesn’t get it done, so he has to publish unfounded rumors and label them “rumblings.” Pitiful.
anyone know what we got from the jarod page trade yet?
by the great thunderlips on Oct 19, 2010 9:50 PM CDT reply actions
conditional i believe
so it depends on his level of play
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Hey, he already got one pick, so that's something right?
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Hard to call for Tampa,
My guese will be a 4th. Anything better than that will confirm wat a genious Pioli is
im guessing a 6th for page and swapped tampa's 5th for our 6th for magee.
not really seeing any higher than round 5 if that for either one.
by the great thunderlips on Oct 19, 2010 9:54 PM CDT reply actions
Expecting better for magee
Since we are throwing in one of our picks. A 5th for our 6th for magee looks like a still in my mind. The kid just in his 2nd year. Believe he wont be a star but a good contributor.
I would agree
Seems like a lot to give up for just one round up, especially when we are only talking about 5th and 6th. So we are giving up a former 3rd round pick, 1 year after the draft, a 6th round pick for just a 5th? Would make more sense if it is for a 4th. All speculation though.
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by saskwatch on Oct 19, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
No
But it makes it much easier to follow to what you are replying to
by craig in calgary on Oct 19, 2010 10:02 PM CDT reply actions
who you talking to? you didnt reply.
by the great thunderlips on Oct 19, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he was trying to show you how it makes it tougher to follow
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cya magee
Im saying it’s for either a 2nd round pick or a 3 rd. We sent them magee and a draft pick for one of theres. I’m assuming we sent them a draft pick along in the trade so we can pick up another early round pick. I assume they wouldn’t send a player and a pick for a 5th rd or 6th in return.
didnt see much value in magee though?
i assume the swapping of the pics was just to make the deal happen, maybe they was going to release him after this year anyway or just needed a roster spot for someone and got some sort of value in return for nothing.
by the great thunderlips on Oct 19, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Magee was expected to be a swing lineman in the 3-4.
He could be very valuable depth for a 4-3 team. The kid CAN shoot the gap and be disruptive. I don’t think he was as stout as needed for 3-4 and Gilberry was proving to be quicker in nickel.
I think TB must’ve been quite interested, though.
Bleh...I've posted this 1000 times
It is a common theme around here to point out the inadequacies of the 2009 Draft, but I disagree. I have posted my point of view of this topic multiple times, but I guess I haven’t convinced Joel yet. Lets go over the Draft here real quick. I will put an asterisk by a starter.
1. Tyson Jackson *
2. Matt Cassel * and Mike Vrabel *
3. Alex Magee
4. Donald Washington
5. Colin Brown
6. Quinten Lawrence
7. Javarris Williams
7. Jake O’Connell
7. Ryan Succop *
Undrafted: Jovan Belcher *
That is FIVE (5)…count them….FIVE starters from a single draft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (exclamations for emphasis). That is about as good as you can ask for out of any Draft, let alone one with the talent pool as unimpressive as 2009.
Most of our late round picks were raw project players coming in. Some of those players pan out, most of them don’t; that is the nature of the NFL.
I was hoping Alex Magee could mature into a Jarvis Green-type role player for us, but obviously Pioli got a deal he couldn’t refuse. I don’t know the details yet, but I doubt Pioli would give up on a relatively high pick so quickly if it wasn’t a great offer, especially since Magee showed flashes last year and honestly outplayed Tyson Jackson. As Haley has said, we aren’t in the business of giving away good players.
Jake O’Connell looked really good in training camp and I was glad to see him on the field and contributing last Sunday. We drafted him because of his versatility and contributions to special teams, not to replace Tony Gonzalez. The bar was set pretty low here.
Donald Washington was a guy who left school early that probably could have used the additional maturation. The scouting report on him was that he was an incredible athlete (4.4 40-time and 45" vertical) with good size (6’0" 200#) that was very raw. With our two starting corners already in place, the bar was set for him at nickel corner. He is starting to contribute this year and I think his best fit as a situational zone coverage guy, probably as a free safety or dime back. He isn’t going to be starting anytime soon, but he is a helpful addition to the TEAM given his versatility.
The other guys haven’t panned out, but you can’t hit a home run on every pick. In my mind, you really can’t ask for much more than 5 starters out of a single Draft. I don’t know what you guys expect. It is a rarity that should be commended, and frankly the 2009 Draft dissing is just plain off-base.
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by Nick Britt on Oct 19, 2010 11:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good post
Whatever pick we end up with for McGee is also part of the return from the 2009 draft.
So 5 starters plus another pick, in what was a weak draft year, is just an excellent return. The 2010 draft looks even better so far.
Things are SO much better than when Peterson was in charge, it’s amazing.
by Offense of the 70s on Oct 20, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I could always ask for more
Like 7 starters and pro bowlers. Unrealistic, but I could ask for it.
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Counting Vrabel and Cassel doesn't make sense
I know it’s tempting, but that’s not reasonable at all. Comparing rookies to veterans just doesn’t hold water.
Pioli did get an offer he couldn’t refuse: he traded Magee and a 6th for a 5th. That shows how low Magee’s value was.
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/content/bucs-yielded-fifth-received-sixth-magee-trade
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Joel--Last paragraph--priceless. Could not say it any better.
Let’s hope this is just the beginning and before we know it we watch a team go from the bottom of the barrel to the top of the mountain.
by NFL season ticket holder on Oct 19, 2010 11:31 PM CDT reply actions
oh well...maybe later...
darn,I was kinda hopeing Jamaal might get traded some where else !!
As far as Washington goes... he does have potential
But is it a coincidence that when he’s out there instead of Lewis we have by far our worst defensive performance of the year?
I know there are a lot of other factors (like HOU having a great offense), but I honestly believe we win that game with Lewis in there instead of Washington.
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nice assessment and writeup, Joel
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