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Chiefs vs. Texans: Sounds Like The Same Bernard Pollard

Kansas City Chiefs fans remember Bernard Pollard. Releasing the 2006 second round pick was one of Scott Pioli's first shocking moves since becoming the Chiefs GM.

I talked this week with SB Nation's Houston Texans blog, Battle Red Blog, and asked what Texans fans think of Bernard Pollard now that he's been there for a year.

The answer sounds similar to what Chiefs fans used to say.

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On balance, I'd say Texans fans are fairly big fans of Pollard.  Once he was inserted into the starting lineup last year, the defense became much more stout against the run.  He hits like a freight train and is a difference-maker on special teams (his block of a fourth quarter FG in Washington allowed the Texans to complete their comeback). 

Pretty familiar, huh? So is this part:

As Kansas City fans know, Pollard is below average in coverage, to the point that some Texans fans believe he should play near the line of scrimmage much more frequently than he does, in more of a pseudo-linebacker role.  Pollard's a great in-the-box SS, but his shortcomings in coverage are enough of a concern that he doesn't help a woeful secondary at all in that regard.

Ha...it took less than a year for Texans fans to suggest he be moved to some sort of linebacker role. I think it took Kansas City fans more than a year to think of that one.

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Those comments in the article above made me think of the movie "8 Mile"

“Pay attention. You’re sayin’ the same shi(z) that he said.”

To be fair, it should have taken them less than a year to Google ‘Bernard Pollard’ and find this out. This just proves to me that at least Texan fans aren’t dellusional.

Dear Haters, F@&Y% U!!! Love always, THE CHIEFS!

by Falcon58 on Oct 15, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

My Brother and I Used to Get Mad As Hell Watching Him

I used to call him the most over-rated player we had and I didn’t wince for one moment when he was given the boot.

by Ryan in Nixa on Oct 15, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed completely

The guy is incredibly overrated (and still is). He overvalues himself. I mean, I just get flashbacks to the Atlanta game a couple years back, and his multiple whiffed tackles on Michael Turner. He’s a joke and a locker room cancer.

by DCJayhawk57 on Oct 15, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope we can take advantage...

There was a lot of talk last week about the SS position being weak in Indy and I don’t think we did much to take advantage of that.

by Ochophosphate on Oct 15, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I wonder how much they will like him

chasing Chris Chambers into the endzone…

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Oct 15, 2010 9:01 AM CDT reply actions  

How many times does that happen?

4 or 5? I’d love that.

Fake Adam Weber after a 41-23 loss to Wisconsin made him 0-4 against the Badgers in his career: "I don't even want to play football anymore."
I was fined $15,000 by David Stern for complaining about the officiating...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 15, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aiken, please ... Chambers is invisible, remember?

hasn’t been seen since preseason … game two

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by upamtn on Oct 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lol

That’d be the day

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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 15, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

i can only pray cassel

Really makes a case this week that he’s the man. And torches the texans

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by sexassassin on Oct 15, 2010 9:06 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

It sure is nice having Berry in that spot now.

Even with some of the rookie mistakes he’s made, I think he’s already been better for us in run support than Pollard ever was, despite the fact that Berry was known for his coverage ability above all else in college. I can’t wait until he’s racking up the pick 6’s.

by m.yashi on Oct 15, 2010 9:09 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

The only player, this year, that I have seen looked more confused then Bernie in pass coverage is Rolando McClain

These two guys might as well just run around with their backs to the line of scrimmage because they couldn’t cover anything if they tried.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Oct 15, 2010 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I almost feel bad for Raider fans...

They were SO SURE that with McClain and some new D-Linemen their defense would finally be legit…

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by MNchiefsfan on Oct 15, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fixed.

Yeah, I almost don’t feel bad for Raider fans…

by Tarkus on Oct 15, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by upamtn on Oct 15, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope Nate Bukaty's...

…enjoying a nice platter of crow after his constant whining about Bernard Pollard last year.

by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Oct 15, 2010 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I miss Pollard

It was obscene to just cut him outright, he could have been traded for draft picks, not a doubt in my mind that he had trade value.

Is Pollard a liability in coverage, sure, but it’s the defensive coordinators job to work around players limitations, how is Flowers, who is an incredible CB, at 5’9" supposed to cover a 6’3" Andre Johnson, thats the defensive coordinators job to work around Flowers height and maximize his skills.

I’m really having trouble with Berry, I haven’t seen him do anything in coverage, and everyone is drooling over his big hits, so we cut Pollard to use a 5th overall pick on a guy who is doing the exact same thing as Pollard? I really hope we see something more out of Berry in coverage, but consider this, if Berry goes the entire season without a interception, the can we at least consider that he’s a player in the mold of Pollard. To rub salt in the wound last year in his 13 games with the Texans Pollard put up 4 interceptions one of which he ran back for a TD.

I miss Pollard in the red and gold.

by OmahaNick on Oct 15, 2010 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

To answer your question
if Berry goes the entire season without a interception, the can we at least consider that he’s a player in the mold of Pollard.

No. It’s absurd to take a rookie year of a player and try to define that player’s style for their career based on it.

Pollard was a rookie in ‘06 and was used sparingly. In ’07 and ’08 seasons he was great at blocking punts but he had some coverage problems. There less talented players than Pollard for sure, but is he a team player? We’ll never know but his reaction to Haley’s words tells me that he didn’t like being sent away. That, my friends is interesting. Maybe he wanted to be a Chief. Weird, considering we had won all of 15 games during his three years here. I think he is somewhat jealous of our success. IF the Texans blow another season (as they very well could) the name Bernard Pollard will fade from view. He has his chance this Sunday to prevent that from happening. I hope we score on him 5 times.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Oct 15, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pollard is not great in coverage, but he hasn't been nearly as bad as you guys seem to indicate he was for the Chiefs.

While he will never be described as a “cover” guy, his positives outwiegh his negatives so far in Houston. And that’s what you have to hope you get from everyone.

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by TexansForever on Oct 15, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Tex, that's rather the way I thought of Pollard ...

not the best or most sure tackler in the world, but definitely a hard hitter … not the best cover guy by any means, but makes the WR (or whover it is) pay with a hard hit and think twice about going across the middle the next time, whatever

and tough as nails on punts as well (blocks, etc) … I thought he was an overall positive (rather than a negative) here, personally … wish we’d never have let him go, and was happy to see him with great stats and positive response for your team last year

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by upamtn on Oct 15, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

opposite Berry ...

although ILB or even OLB might not be a bad place for the guy at all … he DOES hit hard, which is what you want from a LB … almost … ALMOST … wonder what he’d do in DJ’s spot, or Belcher’s … perhaps opposite Hali as the other OLB?

dunno for sure … just some possibilities … good question, though!

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by upamtn on Oct 15, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm good at questions.

At answers? Not so much.

by Tarkus on Oct 15, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Where would I play Pollard?

On the sidelines. Zing!

The Kansas City Chiefs, ruining playoff hopes since 2010

by mugglemage on Oct 15, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not me..

He got toasted on a regular basis. Berry has played very well in pass coverage other than a few rookie mistakes. Berry will improve greatly, Pollard has reached his ceiling and is still getting burnt. Berry>>>>>Pollard

by kcchief77 on Oct 15, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks jcox..

I’ll step down off the ledge now. ;) Really Berry has played in as many pro games as years Pollard has been in the league, give the rook some time and he will be a special player. He has the right attitude and athleteic talent to be a great player.

by kcchief77 on Oct 15, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Berry has the potential to be like Revis. Pollard has hit his ceiling (probably snapped the ceiling’s ACL).

I believe in the Chiefs' Way. Someday, we will set the standard for how to be a championship team!

by Face Painter on Oct 15, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

HA! Good one! ACL!

Although I see Berry of more of an Ed Reed type player than the shutdown corner ( Flowers) type. I’m was really excited about the Berry pick and havn’t been dissapointed.

by kcchief77 on Oct 15, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

My best memory of Pollard

Was on Hard Knocks when he busted out those dance moves lol.

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by 65TossPwrTrap on Oct 15, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

well done, NJ

thank you … a lot of “Pollard Hate” going around today, not from me, of course

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by upamtn on Oct 15, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pollard is a baller

He’s a liability in coverage but what he does well he does solid enough to start in this league. Texans are a better team for having him and we would have been last year had we kept him

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by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 15, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

When you're changing a culture...

you have to look beyond performance. I know it’s become a cliche, but “the right 53” is not just a slogan. Look at the 100% attendance (minus Page) in the OTAs. That type of commitment is a large part of why the Chiefs are 3-1 and 1.5 games ahead in first place. You can’t have some guys buying in and some guys mailing it in.

When the Chiefs get really good, they can take on some of those types of players, but not when they’re “creating a foundation, all across the board.”

by Tarkus on Oct 15, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

point tooken

but one has to wonder: what if the “incident” with Pendergast hadn’t happened, and the ensuing mess that resulted in him being dropped by the team … what if, whatever that blow-up was all about, was really BECAUSE of Pendergast and NOT because of Pollard (and we know there’s no love lost for Clancy around here)

just saying … if it was really on Pendergast but Pollard got the “short end of the stick” for defending himself (too strongly? very possible!) maybe he’d have been at every OTA and been an integral part of THIS year’s success … and imagine what Crennel could do with the guy

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by upamtn on Oct 15, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know enough about it...

But I do find it interesting that they just flat out cut him. You’d think they could have at least gotten a low draft pick for him.

by Tarkus on Oct 15, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

cant forget pollard? play him in fantasy then.

last year pollard was second if not first overall in fantasy as a safety even only playing 13 games. im starting him this year in fantasy and he is in the top 5 i believe for now, pollard was my favorite player when he was a chief mainly because he would smack the defenders so badly, go back to the raiders game in 08 he had the TE miller so scared of getting hit he didnt even try to catch the ball at one time out of fear.

NO lie watch the game again, but most people if not everyone is right pollard was a liability in the pass coverage you just cant have from a safety, if you can get past his great hits and great play in the run D you will see that him moving on was best for us.

by the great thunderlips on Oct 15, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

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