Albert had a lousy game against Indy
by bfett81 on Oct 13, 2010 10:54 PM CDT
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This just in: Albert got owned by Dwight Freeney last Sunday.
I think as much as protecting Cassel, the conservative gameplan was protecting our offensive line. Almost every time we went to a straight dropback passing game, Albert got toasted by Freeney. I was pretty unimpressed by these plays, especially since Albert had made strides this year after a horrible '09.
Hope he's better next week against Mario Williams.
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Really?
Albert got schooled by one of the best in the business? And yet the stats really arnt in favor of Albert being such a failure.
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Oct 13, 2010 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hi bfett81
Not referring to you BAM…just getting my comment at the top. :-)
This should not really be a surprise to a lot of fans on AP because I graded Albert out at a 70% against the Colts. By definition, my 70% is…
“70% is a rough day in both the run or passing game. The lineman probably got notice a lot and won’t hold a job scoring 70% every week.”
Also, to repeat what I have said before…I grade only if the lineman “did his job”. I don’t grade on technique (usually) or how well the offensive lineman dominated the opponent.
That being said…
at least 3 of those plays are shotgun 5-7 step drops. Not that Albert does not need to be better when blocking Freeney on 5-7 step drops…but when Freeney does not have to worry about anything other than getting to the QB…there is going to be trouble for most offensive tackles.
In regard to the film of him “cutting” Freeney (that was a cut block…he didn’t “fall” down). The play was obviously a 3 step quick pass and both tackles (you cant see both because you didn’t show both) tried to cut block their man…why?…because it was a quick pass and they are asked to get the defenders hand down. Now Freeney, took a wide arch and ended up not being a factor for any obstruction of a passing lane for the quick three step drop. The cut block looked bad…for a couple of reasons, but…Albert did what he was asked to do.
Just for a perspective on how many times a lineman misses his block and gets a 70% grade…it’s about 6-7 times. bfett81 has obviously put up some of those “missed” blocks (except for the cut block…that’s not a mistake).
One thing you can notice from bfett81’s film isolation and take to heart is that Albert has some technique problems that still need to be ironed out.
I will also point out that in one of those film clips the Chiefs are in shotgun and a 7 step drop. Freeney is working on Albert (in the clip that it says “no guts” and Albert keeps Freeney at bay for probably around 5 seconds (really does not do that bad considering the amount of real estate Freeney has to go back and forth before getting to Cassel)…but…Cassel starts to panic before Freeney is even 5 yards from him.
anyway, nice close-ups.
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by Bewsaf on Oct 14, 2010 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
This just in
Bewsaf owns another person attempting to put out bad information based on limited information.
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Do I have to? I suppose that was a little condescending...
I’m just not a fan of people using part of the story to skew things, know what I mean?
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Actually...
I don’t think bewasf disagrees much at all?
Why all the hating around here on fellow posters?
Especially when you go against the herd.
I watched the game again yesterday, and Albert stood out more on the 2nd viewing. Hopefully he improves as the season moves forward, he needs too.
I'm not trying to hate
And Bewsaf pointed out that most of those gifs don’t tell the story completely.
Is it hating to debate someone? I think I’ve done it in a pretty respectful manner… If someone tells me I’m offending them I back off.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
You know
You’re not the first who’s said that to me…
I tried being a jerk. Didn’t take. Very unfortunate :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Haha my mistake...
Thanks though…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
No way man
I refuse to acknowledge that last statement. I will go to my grave knowing that you believe I’m all-knowing, and there’s nothing you can say that will break my bubble.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Nope
He said that one of them didn’t tell the complete story (the cut block, and he’s right-although it was a poor cut block), and he graded him as ‘having a rough day in the run and passing game, and that if a lineman played at that level every week, he would have a tough time holding a job.’
Sounds like he agreed with him, and so do I.
Bewsaf owns another person attempting to put out bad information based on limited information.
Sorry, this doesn’t seem like debate to me. It’s also completely inaccurate.
I'll buy that.
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And I havn't got a clue what all of those pics are supposed to prove.
It would have been more informative to just post his High School yearbook photos.
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by TheK-man on Oct 14, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
K-man, have I ever told you that you crack me up?
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See, I disagree on the cut block
If Cassel’s first receiver on that throw was covered, he’d have been toast.
I’m not saying Albert didn’t do a good enough job to allow the play to be executed. He just didn’t do a good enough job if the ball had had to go somewhere else.
The point of a cut block should be to put the defender on the ground, not to just slow him down momentarily. If Cassel had been forced to hold that ball, he gets sacked, because Albert barely touched Freeney.
The point of a cut block is to put the defender on the ground?
I thought it was a quick way to stop them for about 2-3 seconds and get their hands out of the way of the QB?
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Nope.
You’re cutting their legs out from under them. If their legs are in the air, they are on the ground.
Go watch some other linemen execute a cut block perfectly. Their defender does NOT just sidestep the attempt and scream towards the quarterback.
So the cut block wasn't "perfect" Jeesh
Its still a cut block, no matter how much you want to look at it.
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...No sacks...
Does that count for anything?
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
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What a joke..
how long should he have blocked him for?
You do realize we gave up ZERO sacks right?
Freeney is a top 5 DE there is probably 2 or 3 tackles in the league that could handle him consistenly.
Lets no start nit picking and making up problems that arnt really there.
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by bflowers24probowl on Oct 13, 2010 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
We gave up one sack
To be fair though that was entirely Cassel’s doing (the self fumble).
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by Scaryclouds on Oct 14, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
We have up 0 sacks because...
The offensive gameplan was incredibly conservative. Almost every pass was short and quick.
If you can’t see that you don’t know much about football.
ok um...yea sorry...I guess having to go for the long ball
while possibly getting sacked 10 times over 4 games is better.
I know nothing of football
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
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by NJChieffan16 on Oct 13, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, what do YOU know ... sacks are GOOD, ask anyone in the grocery business!
you're just a kid ... punk ... go read a book
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I understand the gameplan was conservative..
but Albert did exactly what was asked of him.
also the gameplans are always conservative its not about our o-lines ability its about our quaterbacks ability. if he could throw downfield or work through his reads once in a while im sure we could expand our playbook
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by bflowers24probowl on Oct 13, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
drom the top, shall we?
1) did his job, kept Freeney away from Cassel
2) ball was away before Freeney got to Cassel
3) see #2
4) see #2
5) wow, Cassel had to actually MOVE … yup, abject failure! Fire Albert at once!!!
6) see #2
7) yup, looks like Freeney got close again! Dock Albert’s entire salary for the month!
to recap here: Freeney never touched Cassel in 5 of the 7 videos …
any questions? no? very good … class dismissed!
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by upamtn on Oct 13, 2010 11:25 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
all I saw was..
Matt might need to learn a lil more “pocket-presence” when in shotgun….Albert did pretty decent I think
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by kcfansinceakid on Oct 13, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
a LOT more would be in order ...
a lil more "pocket-presence"
that’s just one of many reasons I’d prefer Croyle at this point …
Cassel’s shown zero improvement since he got here, and with a much improved OLine, a better TE, better RBs and better protection, and another full year in a SIMPLIFIED just for him system and 6 months as Weis’ private student, that’s unacceptable
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Just because the ball was released...
Does not mean Albert did his job. Jeez, guys.
Albert barely even touched Freeney in some of these. At best, he was a minor inconvenience on Freeney’s way to pressuring the quarterback.
Some of you act as if you never watched Willie Roaf.
then I refer you back to the comment by BAMF (above)
ok, so Albert isn’t Roaf … who is? he did what he needed to do …
maybe (at least) PART of the blame is the QB … did that ever cross your mind? he had plenty of time to throw in almost every one of those posted scenarios, and was not touched in all but two … that means that Albert did, indeed do his job
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So because, in his third year, he's not Willie Roaf...
He’s a bad player?
Are you also angry with Lilja? After all, he’s no Shields…
He gives up zero sacks to a top 5 pass rusher, has allowed exactly no sacks through 4 games, and we’re mad at him?
Wow.
But then, I don’t even know why I’m responding after you’ve been schooled by the Master above…
No disrespect, but you’re wrong. Subpar LT… jeez
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You can not expect him to be a hall of fame calibar player..
trying to say he didnt do his job because he wasnt Roaf is crazy.
Albert did his job because he knew the plays and knew the ball was supposed to be out of the QB’s hands quickly so he did not need to do much more than be a “minor inconvenience”.
Your just trying to act like there is an issue when there isnt one.
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by bflowers24probowl on Oct 13, 2010 11:36 PM CDT reply actions
That's ridiculous.
Albert’s job is never going to be to execute as poorly as he did on these plays.
Never.
Take the homer glasses off. He did a terrible job.
They aren't wearing homer glasses.
They’re wearing every flaw the Chiefs have are all Matt Cassel’s fault glasses.
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by Rev. Slappy on Oct 14, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
See Bewsaf's reply above...
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ehh, I don't need to read other peoples stuff to tell me what to think
First one Albert got bull rushed into Cassel’s lap
Second one i disagree i think he did well
Third one he is in Cassel’s face while he’s throwing
Fourth missed cut block, it happens with athletic ends, can’t do much
Fifth bull rushed completely disrupted the play
Sixth was decent enough for most QB’s to operate behind, others just start to buckle
Seventh Complete disruption.
Now generally I thought Albert did good in the run game but in these instances he didn’t look so hot is all i’m saying. bfett show’s a lot of good stuff in these gifs i follow the other thread he posts on regularly as well, more stuff there that here
Hey, if you say so friend
I wasn’t trying to tell you to follow blindly or anything…
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by MNchiefsfan on Oct 14, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah the guy knows what he's talking about
So in School you didn’t listen to teachers because they told you something different to what you believed?
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said he didn't
He does his research and knows what he’s talking about but i know what i see with my own eyes. So you’re telling me that if your teacher told you a crayon is green when it’s blue you wouldn’t disagree?
Ram, what are you looking at?
Second one i disagree i think he did well
Third one he is in Cassel’s face while he’s throwing
Fourth missed cut block, it happens with athletic ends, can’t do much
the ball was away with no issues on all three of those … not once was Cassel touched … so what’s the issue here? what’s the problem?
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I've always thought
That if the QB can get the ball away cleanly, it’s a win. Especially if he doesn’t take a hit after throwing.
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I dont get it..
I really dont think i have homer glasses on.
I think on some of the plays above he did not do a good job.
I also believe that it was not his job to block freeney for an extended period of time.
Its clear that there is no faith from the coacher for Cassel to make reads and good throws so they give him short and easy throws which dont require the o-line to block for long.
You picked 7 out of 29 pass plays. So that means that 76% of the time he did a good job on freeney ill take that when talking about a top five DE in the league any day.
Take your hater glasses off and respect that we have given up 3 sacks on the year which clearly means our o line is doing its job, including Albert.
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by bflowers24probowl on Oct 13, 2010 11:48 PM CDT reply actions
You have no idea what the play call was or anything
Don’t get me wrong I’m sure that there were plays that could have been better. But a lousy game is a little harsh. The bears OL was lousy against NYG, that would concern me.
Like #4, I believe that is a cutblock (?) and a 3 step drop. That ball is supposed to be gone. Albert did his job on that play. You’re also looking at one of the best, if not the best, pass rushers in the NFL and Albert had him on his own. If he was getting dominated don’t you think we would have slid someone over to help? Or a TE chip him at the line, a RB help on his side? No…………….it was nada from what I see above.
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7 of 29 is misleading
Because on most pass attempts we ran three step drops or threw a pass so quickly the pass rush had 0 chance to get to the quarterback.
When we actually tried to run a legit passing attack, this is what happened.
if its misleading then you should have put up all 29 pass plays...
You cant just give the 7 that show only bad and then pass it off like thats what the whole game was.
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by bflowers24probowl on Oct 14, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, you got the reply button going.
Nice!
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bfett ... there IS a "reply button" at the bottom of the comment frame ... if/when you respond to someone's comment, it's helpful to use that
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I'm far from a homer
But Albert did a very nice job against IMO the best pass rusher in football. NO SACKS. I dont care what the gameplan was, let me repeat ZERO SACKS. Child please…
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
you meant to say ...
boy, stop!
right? :-)
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oh yes I did!
whatcha gonna do about it, huh? huh?? come on, big boy …. show me whatcha got, I ain’t skeered ;-)
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Here's what you guys don't understand...
Hali had an awesome game. He absolutely raped Ryan Diem.
How many times was Manning sacked?
Just once.
Doesn’t mean that Ryan Diem was anything less than ABYSMAL in that game.
Now was Albert as bad as Diem? No. But he certainly wasn’t good. I’d rate his performance as “below average.”
Have to agree with you bfett81
The moving pictures you posted don’t lie. That’s exactly why I was hoping the Chiefs would draft Russell Okung last April. Okung has longer arms, better footwork and he’s stronger than Albert. Albert is OK up to a point, but the better DE’s beat him continually — the type that he would face if the Chiefs were to make it to the post-season.
Yeah but he allowed no sacks to the Best DE in the Business
I count that as a victory no matter what, plus what exactly have we heard from Okung so far. He held out the longest, and is currently injured yeah that would’ve been a great pick.
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 3:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Best DE in the business?
That’s debatable. Freeney is among the best, yes, but the point that bfett81 is making is the Albert needs to be good enough to match up against the best and not get owned every time Cassel takes a 5 or 7 step drop.
Okung Held out
which leads to injuries, which he is right now, which means that he probably wouldn’t have played right now, which means yes we probably would’ve allowed a sack that game. Plus how is it Debateable, he is the Best DE in the business maybe if Cassel could feel the pressure instead of standing their like a statue things wouldn’t looks so bad.
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd also like to add
Going one-on-one against Freeney has to be one of the hardest things in OT ever has to do.
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Branden Albert isn't Willie Roaf a Potential HOFer
Nice Try though.
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
That's my point
is that we ( referring to the original thread starter bfett81 as well as myself ) would like Albert to step his game up to where he can take on anyone at anytime, because if he can do that it can go a long way towards not only helping the Chiefs get to the postseason, but advancing once they get there.
Its only his 3rd year
After Converting from Guard, and having to change schemes and lose 30-50 Lbs last year(Don’t know the exact amount it changes everytime I hear it) Hit me up in 2 years and if he’s still “terrible” you win this argument.
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
See Bewsaf's reply above
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Those pictures are 3 second shots
Without any thought given to the situation, the assignment, and what exactly was to be done on the play. But feel free to think what you want, that’s what AP’s all about.
And seriously, are you really going to just say, “nope, don’t need it”, and not even LOOK? I mean, c’mon… Are you that sure that you have nothing to learn about things?
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by MNchiefsfan on Oct 14, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
As I said, I can watch the game anytime
and already have watched it, more than once. What is someone going to tell me that I can’t see for myself by watching the game? The situation, assignment, and all that stuff is irrelevant. The point being made by bfett81 is that he would like to see Albert perform better against the league’s better DE’s — the type that he would face if the Chiefs make it to the post-season.
by brdempsey69 on Oct 14, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Better than no sacks?
Pressures are going to happen against the elite DE’s. That’s why they’re elite, not average.
I can see it if the point of the post was that Albert is not an elite LT. He’s not. He is, however, doing better than a “subpar” job if he doesn’t allow a sack to Dwight Freeney.
Freeney has averaged 11.5 sacks per year when he’s played a full season. That means he usually has maybe 4 or 5 games a season that he’s held without a sack. Which means about 70-75% of the time, he brings the QB down.
We weren’t in that 70-75%. I’d call that better than “subpar”. PAR against Freeney is at least one sack. Subpar would be multiple sacks and knockdowns.
Albert is a 3rd year LT that had a very good rookie year, a bad 2nd year, and is in the process of having a very, very good 3rd year that improves on both. But we’re supposed to be upset because he held up better against Freeney than 3/4’s of the league’s LT’s do?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
What are you, Alberts personal cheerleader?
Zero sacks? So what !! Do you really think it would have been zero sacks if there had been 15-25 attempts at throwing the ball down the field? Not likely
Wow.
So now we’re allowed to argue with reality by presenting a hypothetical? Does that have any real application? Are you somehow that one man that can know what would have happened?
That’s known as a “red herring” logical fallacy, in case you’re interested. Drawing attention away from the matter at hand by presenting a side argument.
And yes I am Branden Albert’s personal cheerleader. Because that’s the only possible reason I’d argue with you on this :)
You’re taking this way too personally, friend. It’s a game and a debate. Relax a little. Life is good, enjoy it!
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Ah, now "attacking the motive". but I'll answer anyways because this is all in good fun
The answer is….. drum roll…..
I don’t know. And… neither do you. Because it didn’t happen.
So you have a guess of what would have happened on your side of the table, and I have what actually happened. I’m very comfortable on this side of the table.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
"The situation, assignment, and all that stuff is irrelevant."
To be honest, that quote doesn’t really help you sound as if you’re coming from a place of knowledge. Those things do indeed matter.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
all right then...
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I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Plus bfett81 is not blaming Albert for the Chiefs loss in Indy
he’s saying that when the Chiefs need Albert to step up his pass protection whenever the Chiefs need to turn to their downfield passing game, regardless of who Albert is going against. And there will come a time when they are going to have to throw downfield.
by brdempsey69 on Oct 14, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, man, he's getting killed out there
Giving up zero sacks in four games… What a bum.
And before you start talking about pressures and whatnot, remember that it was all those horrible, horrible sacks he gave up last year that had people screaming about how bad he is. Well, he’s not giving those up this year, and you’re STILL upset about Okung?
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by MNchiefsfan on Oct 14, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, but you are not only way off base
you aren’t even remotely in the ballpark. Learn how to read — reading is your friend. I said Albert was OK to a point, but the better DE’s beat him. I never said he was a “bum”. You’re ripping things out of context there. As for Okung, sure I would have loved to have had him and down road passing on him in the draft could prove to be a big mistake.
by brdempsey69 on Oct 14, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I can read. Even the big words that my sons have to sound out for me. Thanks for your concern
Are you attempting to imply that I am not eminently cognizant of grammatical parameters? Or perhaps you’re facetiously attempting hyperbole in order to give this slightly acrimonious situation a bit more levity?
No need to take potshots (no matter how passive aggressive) here just because I disagree with you. We’re all Chiefs fans here.
I never said you called him a bum. Perhaps following your own advice would be an astute move…
The man has given up zero sacks through four games. Of course, to be fair, Okung has the same stat, given he hasn’t seen the field. Do you think he would be doing better than zero in the sack department?
I get that a lot of people like Okung. But given how well Berry’s played in run support, and how crucial that’s been to our D, and how improved Albert’s been, would that have really been the best move for our team?
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Since you asked
I get that a lot of people like Okung. But given how well Berry’s played in run support, and how crucial that’s been to our D, and how improved Albert’s been, would that have really been the best move for our team?
Yes, over the long term , I believe it would have been the best move. Safeties are a dime a dozen and tyou can get good safeties anywhere in the draft. Berry isn’t the reason for the Chiefs improved run defense, it’s a revitalized front 7.
yep, I bet our 3rd leading tackler
Has nothing to do with it whatsoever.
I guess if I post 7 gifs of Berry hitting RBs or filling lanes it’ll change your mind? :)
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The only way your statement
“Berry isn’t the reason for the Chiefs improved run defense”, could be true, is if none of those tackles were on running plays.
admit you exaggerated and I’ll admit I did too :)
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"Safeties are a dime a dozen."
Tell that to the Steelers. Berry has had a great impact on this defence. Given we already have a book end left tackle ( The terrible no sacks given up this season) Braden Albert, Berry was a great pick.
Pittsburgh never selected a safety in the top 5
and Polumalu’s abscence last year wasn’t the only reason for the Steelers decline on Defense. They were worn out all around the horn last year. Berry has not proven to be a “great pick” as of yet. 5th round draftee Kendrick Lewis is playing just as well as he is.
Yeah but seeing Polamalu Now in Hindsight
How many people would have skipped on that talent. His play makes the Steeler defense be the #1 best in the league, any team in the league would have traded their left nut to move up to the 5th pick to pick up Troy.
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Not quite
his play HELPS the Steelers defense be one of the best — not make it. And what Polamalu does for the Steelers doesn’t mean Berry is going to do the same for the Chiefs. That remains to be seen.
what is being seen is that we have a very good defense
and berry is a huge part of it. how do you not see this?
It's happening............enjoy the ride
brdempsey, if safeties are a dime a dozen, why does Eric Berry have such a huge freaking contract?
Pioli must be the biggest fool of all time if your statement is true … I don’t think Pioli’s an idiot
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Knee jerk reaction, perhaps?
and I suspect the final say on drafting Berry may have come down from Clark Hunt — especially in light of the fact that season ticket sales are lower than they have been in 20+ years and it was broadcast all over the web that Berry was the popular choice amongst Chiefs fans.
So in order to increase ticket sales (in your theory)
They would draft the guy that (again, in your theory) they think gives them the WORSE chance of being successful in the long run? Huh.
One would imagine Clark Hunt is smart enough to figure out that the best way to increase ticket sales for longer than a few games is to build a winner. But hey, maybe he’s not. Maybe he trolls the web and decides what to do with his multimillion dollar business based off of what we think. I sincerely doubt it, but it could be so…
And to be fair, even allowing for that rather large stretch, there were plenty of fans that wanted Okung too.
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Okung HELD OUT
Can you not get that through your Head? Now he’s dealing with injuries, Berry>>>than Okung in Hindsight.
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
So what?
that doesn’t mean any of that would have happened with Okung if the Chiefs had drafted him. Get that through your head. You are talking this dumb shit like it is etched in stone that the same thing would have happened to Okung in KC, just because it happened in Seattle. Where the hell do you get the absolute certainty that if the Chiefs had taken Okung & offered him the same contract that Berry got that he would have held out? I highly doubt it. And Berry owns Okung in hindsight after 5 weeks into their rookie seasons? Wow, I am over-fucking-whelmed at that astonomical amount of hindsight, LOL.
Jeez, Albert has allowed ZERO sacks and still I hear about Russel freaking Okung.
Albert is a above average left tackle and still has talent to improve. What do people want?!? 3-1 and so called fans pick apart the team. BRING BACK SACINTOSH!!!!
Careful not to attack peoples' fandom
That’s out of line, although I agree with you on the point. I’m sick of it too.
Apparently he’s not only supposed to not give up sacks, but get a few of his own :)
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Agreed, no offence intended.
I really get sick of the negativity. Albert has played very well this year imo. The Okung argument was just too much. Has the guy seen the field yet? And to say Berry hasn’t impacted the run d is just crazy.
Yeah, I get the frustration
Albert has played very well, in both the run and the passing game.
Did he have some problems with Freeney? Sure. Did he allow a sack, even when we were in catch-up mode? Nope.
And I’m with you on the Berry issue too.
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Not crazy at all
most of the tackles on running plays have been made by either Shaun Smith or Jovan Belcher. Berry has been in on a few tackles on running plays, but he’s not the primary reason for the improved run defense & isn’t really doing anything in that regard that Mike Brown didn’t do last year. And as far as rookie Safeties go, Earl Thomas and Nate Allen have whipped Berry’s ass when it comes to making impact plays.
And yes, Okung has seen the field and he will be playing this weekend and yes, I believe that Okung will be a better LT than Albert when it’s all said & done. If that offends you — so much the better.
by brdempsey69 on Oct 14, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wrong
Belcher and Smith have a combined 41 tackles between the two of them. So even if we make the (absolutely ridiculous) assumption that they’ve made every single tackled on a running play, they STILL haven’t made “most of the tackles on running plays”.
Blurting out statements that sound good but are factually incorrect isn’t going to help your argument. I’d stick with opinions if you aren’t going to check facts.
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No, I'm not wrong
outside of DJ, those two have made most of the Tackles on running plays. And what for do you — in hypoctical fashion — talk to me about “blurting out” statements that are factually incorrect, having done so yourself already stating to the effect that “Berry run support has been crucial to the run defense”. It has not been crucial — at times it has been helpful, but not necessary on every play.
So in order for it to be crucial
It must be necessary on every play? One would imagine that a safety’s role in run support would be a few good stops at the LOS per game, along with keeping a runner contained and stopping him quickly after he breaks through the front 7, preventing the “big play”. You know what the longest rushing play we’ve given up this year? 23 yards. That seems a bit better than we were doing last year at this point.
Yes, you were wrong. You didn’t add the disclaimer to your original statement. You can’t just say “A and B have the most”, then later on say, “well, C actually has the most, but A and B have the most after him so I was still right”.
Most is most, right? Or would it be ok for me to say, “hey, you know who has the most rushing yards on our team? Thomas Jones”. Then when you corrected me (as you should), I said, “well, I’m not wrong, because after Charles, Jones has the most yards”.
Make sense?
There’s a difference between saying someone is crucial to something (an opinion) and someone has the “most” of something (a statistic). So no, I wasn’t being hypocritical, because it’s two separate types of statements.
Of course, I barely know how to read, so what do I know? :)
LIsten, we’re clearly not going to agree here. How’s about we just agree to disagree on this and agree that we’re both Chiefs fans who want our team to win?
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I'll even let you get the last word
Let’s be friends, shall we?
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Not trying to get the last word
I simply said that Smith and Belcher have made most of the tackles on running plays — which if you go back and watch the games, you will see they have. So, how am I wrong? Smith and Belcher have been the key run-stoppers. I wasn’t blurting out anything as you suggested. DJ leads the team in tackles, but a lot have come on passing plays as well as running plays, so is a disclaimer really needed? You posted Smiths and Belchers numbers which bear out what I said about them bein in on most of the tackles on running plays.
Nope
Most means majority. Majority. And (generally) a large majority at that. They have not (even when combined) been in on the majority of running tackles made. So no, the numbers do not bear out what you said.
You said he Berry has NOTHING to do with our improved run D. That statement is utterly false and could only be true if he had only one or two tackles on RB’s (even then it technically wouldn’t be true). He’s had something to do with it. Now if you want to debate amount…
Bah! I said something else! No self control…
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Wait a sec
let’s say for the moment, the front 7 was like last year and not revamped like they are this year. How much effect would Berry have regarding their run defense? Not much more than Mike Brown did last year or Bernard Pollard the previous year. He’d be trying to tackle opposing running backs 5 to 15 yards downfield. The revamped front 7 has most certainly given Berry the chances to make some plays at the LOS, that he wouldn’t have had last year.
Did you really just say Mike Browns' run defense
was just a little worse than Eric Berry’s?
OOOOOOOOOOOOOK………….
by Royals Time on Oct 14, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Brown was the 2nd leading tackler on the team last year
I disagree with the statement…but…
Sad that watching these videos the thing i saw most
Is Cassel not stepping into his throws.
Chiefs go 7-9 this year and 3-3 in the division.
We have a top 5 rushing attack and a bottom 10 pass attack. Charles and Bowe in the Pro Bowl.
We have a top 5 pass defense and a bottom 10 rush defense. Hali, Flowers, and Berry to the Pro Bowl.
Same
When you are going against speed rushers, it is crucial to step up into the pocket and Matt didn’t do that on a couple of plays
by Royals Time on Oct 14, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Blame Albert all you want.
But, what I noticed was Thomas Jones wasn’t doing his job in helping in his blocking duties.
Jamal Charles lost the game, with a little help from Bowe
He almost fumbled in the redzone, & did not get the 3rd & 2 because he was trying to recover the ball. If he had decent hands he could of had a TD on that play! Instead we went for it on 4th & 2, & Cassel failed. Then he had a drive killing fumble in the 2nd half. Its’ not always fun having a tiny, 190lbs RB.
by Chief Truthiness on Oct 14, 2010 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you guys know who Freeney is?
Yeah. Albert got owned a few times. Not a big shock. Albert blocked him without help for much of the game. There is not one left tackle in the NFL who could keep a healthy Freeney at bay for an entire game. That’s why Cassel has to learn to step up in the pocket.. Albert is a young guy at a very tough position. And he hasn’t been there for very long. He didn’t give up any sacks and thats a plus. Not bad against one of the best in the biz.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
Dude Freeney is probably the Best in the business
The fact that Albert did relatively well speaks volumes on how good he really is. Plus did he allow a sack, sure a bunch of hurries which are bad but NO SACKS. On top of all that Albert handled him in the Running game. An LT does more than just Protect the passer you know.
Garbage.
Albert didn’t do relatively well.
He wasn’t drafted in the first round to give up a bunch of pressures.
It would be one thing if he gave up some pressures while the passing offense thrived.
But they COMPLETELY scaled back the passing game in order to protect the quarterback and limit sacks and turnovers.
We ran a very conservative passing gameplan and Albert still got owned. Completely unacceptable.
He has to do better.
Let's get one thing straightened out here.
What I see you saying is that we have dialed down our offense due to the fact that we can’t give Cassell time to throw… I think that’s what your saying. I disagree, I think (and I’m not the only one) that the offense is scaled down because of our outrageously inept qb who can’t make a good read downfield to save his life right now. He’s not just hitting his checkdowns, he is locking in on one guy and hoping he gets open before he awkwardly finds a fan in the 5th row to throw it to. The offensive line has been a bright spot for me through four weeks and if you can hold the colts front 4 to zero sacks then I’d say you did the best you could do. I’m not saying that Albert is void of criticism but at least evaluate the situation he was in and who he was up against. If it was a no-name de for the rams in a couple weeks then I’d start freaking, but it was freaking Freeney man. I like your posts but I think you might be reaching a little here man. Keep up the good posts.
by ict_chief on Oct 14, 2010 4:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What??!!
You gotta be kidding me, I clearly remember Albert owning Freeney a few times as well. Why didn’t you post those Gifs? Maybe if I don’t know Cassel stepped forward, or shoot had any pocket awareness at all Albert’s job wouldn’t be that hard, but he doesn’t. You’re trying to pit all the blame on him, when Cassel should be sharing it as well. Also what does going conservative have to do with pass-blocking, what exotic plays would require Albert to do something differently besides pass block, it still doesn’t change the fact that Cassel can’t make good decisions.
Dude do you have any idea how hard it is to play LT in the NFL, and play against the best DE in the Business the entire game. Probably pretty fucking difficult, cut the guy some slack. Also your whole “we picked him in the First” argument, he was a late first and a converted guard do you expect him to be an All-Pro automatically? Chill the fuck out man, you make it sound like Freeney ate Albert for breakfast that game when thats not the case at all, they traded off with each other and honestly thats pretty awesome for a guy who wasn’t very good last year.
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 4:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't expect him to be an All Pro automatically...
But he’s in his third season.
Getting owned by Dwight Freeney any time the play is anything other than a short pass is not acceptable.
We may see Indy again. I have zero confidence that Albert can handle Freeney in the passing game. How does that sit with you guys?
Well he did a good job considering he allowed no sacks, so thats fine with me.
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 5:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Notice how easy it is to tell when people are replying to you?
That’s because there’s a reply button beneath every comment. It really makes it easier to follow the convo.
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Well said bfett81 and I agree 100%
and it does not sit well with me. Freeney is just the type of DE that type Chiefs would have to face if they made it to the postseason.
Getting owned by Dwight Freeney any time the play is anything other than a short pass is not acceptable.
Can you list how many LTs in the league can do that? I think you are underestimating Dwight Freeney.
by theaxeeffect4721 on Oct 14, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean if we face the Colts and he gives up 0 sacks again?
I’d be ok with that, to be honest
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by MNchiefsfan on Oct 14, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Zero sacks is far too many.
Any more than -3 sacks is terrible to a joke like Freeney.
by kcchief77 on Oct 14, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
make it two
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Freeney is at his best
Albert is still improving. Give him time. Albert is getting better each day (or so I’ve heard) and by the time we play the Colts in the playoffs, he will own Freeney.
Yeah Albert got owned all game long...
That’s why Freeney didn’t have a tackle until the 4th quarter…
And if I recall, when we were actually running the ball at him
We were gashing them repeatedly…
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that's because of that spin move of his
going to either side or spinning around a blocker is his thing … straight up blocking/tackling is not
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Good point
When you spin away from the run it’s tough to make a play… you know, being 3 yards away from the ballcarrier and all that…
Also, Albert’s become pretty adept at guiding the DE or OLB he’s facing towards the inside (ie faking being beat) and then giving him a nice shove to take him completely out of the play. Then he moves to the second level and eats up a LB/S/CB. It’s been fun to see him developing smarts in that respect.
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I believe that 6th one was the long pass to Bowe
at the end of the game. During that play i was like what is he doing, there’s nobody near him. He was dipping and looked like he was going to fall on his own. Thats a sign he was staring at the O-Line and not his receivers because the second a blue jersey peeked out from behind a white one he panicked
You do realize...
That Albert went out with an injury during the game, and came back in. We don’t have the depth on tackles, so maybe he had to come back. So during the rest of the game he was playing with an injury. So if he was, I give him props for at least giving Cassel time to throw. And if Cassel actually did throw the ball in a timely manner this wouldn’t even be on the radar of concern.
Apparantly giving up 5 pressures to an All-Pro DE
Is a terrible, terrible game…
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by MNchiefsfan on Oct 14, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
And to be fair...
It was 7.
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by MNchiefsfan on Oct 14, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Tonight
I will go through tape and find 7 times albert owned Freeney then its a wash right?
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by mysonmylife on Oct 14, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Do it! Do it! Do it!
That was in chant form, in case you were wondering.
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by MNchiefsfan on Oct 14, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Some of you...
Don’t understand football at all. No, that doesn’t make it a wash. A DE can change a game in one play.
Well he didnt change the game ...
and is the reason we dont understand football because we are not agreeing with you?
and what would you like us to do about it?
bench albert because he got beat a couple times by one of the best ends in football?
Except this one didn't :)
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This I agree with -- they didn't
but in upcoming games, it could. That’s the point that bfett81 is trying to make and that he, as well as myself, would like to see Albert step up his game, so that he could take on anyone, anywhere, anytime — because if he can do that, it can not only go a long ways toward helping the Chiefs get to the postseason, but also advance if they get there.
I see
I thought he was calling Albert subpar.
I was thrown by his use of the word “subpar”. :)
I won’t argue that I’d like to see Albert continue to improve. However, to give up roughly 4 or 5 pressures against Freeney in a game in which you fell behind and he got to pin his ears back is an good game considering the competition.
If he plays in a similar fashion in the playoffs (ie gives up 4 or 5 pressures to top tier DEs) we’ll be fine. But I agree, it would be nice to have a perfect LT against anyone, anywhere. Of course, the odds of anyone being that good are about one in a thousand. But yes, that would be nice.
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Wouldn't it be nice to have a perfect LT like that
Okung totally is that guy
by ChiefWarPaint on Oct 14, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
you could do a post on just about everyone...
to single Albert out is crazy IMO….He is still young and playing the hardest position on the line. There are games where you can find Waters getting beat,so whats that mean? Even the best left tackles get beat here and there. He is by far our biggest problem on offense and I am lucky we have him on our team..He is getting better with every game but this post is somewhat implying he is a problem for us and i dont think thats the case at all
No YOU don't understand football
Because he DIDN’T change the game in one play
by Royals Time on Oct 14, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
OK
1st video- Albert got bull rushed, but look how long it took him to get to Matt, 4 seconds. It would have been even more if Matt would have stepped up into the pocket. Can’t ask too much more from the guy.
2nd- Albert did get beat, but it had no effect on the play. Matt had already released the ball.
3rd- Albert got beat, but still could not get there fast enough to get the sack, which still says a lot.
4th- It wasn’t the prettiest technique, but he did his job there. He got Dwight’s hands down and out of the passing lane. Didn’t see anything wrong with that play.
5th- Matt was in shotgun doing a 5 step drop. That’s a nightmare for OT, especially ones that have to single block a top 5 pass rusher. Saying all that, I still don’t have a big problem with this play.
6th- See 5th. Matt had room to step up on this play, but didn’t. Albert did get beat, but Matt didn’t help him out much.
7th- See 5th and 6th. Matt has to step up in the pocket.
Saying all of that, I am a little biased because he gave up no sacks and had to block him him alone all game. I think you are reaching on this post calling him a sub par tackle. He is turning into a top 15 maybe top 10 LT…
The video is...
Slowed down. He got there a lost faster than 4 seconds.
And how many times do I have to say it? Just because the quarterback released the ball does not mean the OT did his job.
I would tend to agree on that Point
Hali did a number on Manning too :)
But just like Cassel, we have no viable option (even if we needed to look for one)
Players get beat and also beat the opponent on occasion
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 14, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
What about the other 27 plays?
Oh yeah you didn’t want to post those because it would ruin your case.
What about the run blocking? You have anything to say about that?
by Royals Time on Oct 14, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
You're being ridiculous.
You give up this kind of pressure in one game, what happens on the other plays doesn’t matter.
Run blocking is also irrelevant to the conversation. Stop being a homer and open your eyes.
I'm not being a homer
I’m being realistic. And I would love for you to explain to me how run blocking irrelevant when our team runs the ball 65% of the time.
So I would tell you to quit nit picking. I never said he had a perfect game, but I am saying he didn’t play terrible considering the circumstance. All you are doing now is looking for things to go wrong…
by Royals Time on Oct 15, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Watch the run blocking in the first 2 quarters and tell me he had a bad game
Watched it again last night and the guy was opening up lanes consistently
It's happening............enjoy the ride
Freeny makes everyone look bad
…Albert may need help with a Freeny but with RT so weak you can’t always do it.
Double Tights
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 14, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
The VID CLIPS PROVE ...
… that the game plan, by large part, was to have Cassel get rid of the ball quickly.
Albert ended up doing his “job” in most of those clips because Cassel was instructed to get rid of the ball quickly.
So, far all the criticism that Cassel doesn’t go through reads, etc. – sometimes it isn’t possible. Sometimes it isn’t planned that way. If the play call let Cassel sit in the pocket any longer, there would have been a few sacks and/or strips by Freeney.
All in all Weis’ playcalling helped the OL look better.
by chieflypessmstc on Oct 15, 2010 8:13 AM CDT reply actions
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