Trent Green Says Chiefs '10 Team Has Similarities To '03 Team

by Joel Thorman on Oct 1, 2010 3:25 PM CDT in 2010 Kansas City Chiefs Season

Anytime you mention starting fast in Kansas City Chiefs football history, you gotta mention the 2003 Trent Green-led team that rattled off nine straight victories to start the season.

(The missed block on Dante Hall's return on Nov. 16, 2003, the 10th game and first loss against Cincinnati, is still ingrained in my mind as well.)

Now, the '03 and '10 Chiefs have loads of differences between them but, as Trent Green told Bob Fescoe of 610 Sports this week, there are also a few similarities.

"I think you look back at how we won that nine-game stretch to start the season," Green said, "and, yeah we had a high flying offense and we were able to do a lot of things but, during that stretch and that season, the fact that we had such good balance that year...the special teams played really well with Dante Hall having a bunch of returns for touchdowns. The defense, even though they were giving up yards, they were coming up with timely interceptions."

I think the key there is timely plays. This Chiefs defense is 21st in the NFL in passing yards so teams can move the ball at times -- but they have trouble punching it in on the Chiefs defense at the right time.

"We were a team offensively that kept defenses off balance," Green continued. "They had no idea where the ball was going next, who was going to be carrying or catching the ball. That's what I think was so fun about Sunday -- seeing San Francisco have no clue. Any time they showed the sidelines, they were completely confused about which way they were going to be attacked next."

Clearly the offenses as a whole are very different. But that defense in '03 did have some timely plays and, like the '10 Chiefs with Dexter McCluster and Javier Arenas, the special teams unit was explosive as well.

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Hmmm...

Hopefully this squad can win a playoff game.

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by Red N Gold Beast on Oct 1, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions

Difference between the 03 and 10 team...

um…we have a defense

Team Berry

by MasterBlaster7 on Oct 1, 2010 3:41 PM CDT reply actions

Warfield/McCleon/Bartee

Damn, I actually threw up in my mouth a little bit. God that was horrible

by KCinIL on Oct 1, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

It was, however, an opportunistic defense

Ranked 4th in turnovers that year. Then we got exposed by Peyton.

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by ArrowSpread on Oct 1, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Timely Defense = Bad Defense

Honestly, that was a hideous, terrible, bad, grotesque, ugly, did I mention terrible defense. If they could have stopped anyone when it mattered we could have gone deep in the playoffs. To this day, if I saw Greg Robinson on the street I would probably still punch him in man-jewels for that defense. Oh, just thinking about that defense makes me angry. I never doubted that people would get first downs, even on 3rd and 10-15. We only won that year because of good special teams play and a wasted great offense.

Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.

by Fozzyboyd on Oct 1, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Timely defense seemed to work for the Saints last year

But they, at least, turned it up in the playoffs.

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by ArrowSpread on Oct 1, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions

LMAO

about punching Greg Robinson in the nads! Maybe you can take Shaun Smith with you too.

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by xxBAxx816 on Oct 1, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Wasn't 2003 the year we drafted 2.7 instead of Troy Polamalu?

In internet terms, epic fail!

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by Rev. Slappy on Oct 2, 2010 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions

What actually pissed me off the most about that

what Vermeil was right, and he said that he was saying that he wanted Polamalu, thus then saying that 2.7 had to take the diapers off.

F*(

by readANDgold58 on Oct 2, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions

what the hell

that was supposed to say F*k you Carl Peterson

by readANDgold58 on Oct 2, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions

Carl was an idiot. He was largely propped up by Marty in the 90s as Marty won a lot of games with marginal talent.

Derrick Blaylock had a 200+ yards game behind that line. They didn’t need to blow a first round pick on a running back regardless of the status of Priest’s hip.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Oct 2, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions

Carl Peterston was the greatest blight on Chiefs football...ever

Yes….propped up by Marty….but are any of you guys old enough to remember Martyball?….that is a method of playing about a 10-6 11-5 season and totally choaking in the playoffs. GD BUFFALO GAME!!!!! im still pissed about that.

Team Berry

by MasterBlaster7 on Oct 2, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions

I was at the Buffalo game.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Oct 2, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions

My condolences

Team Berry

by MasterBlaster7 on Oct 3, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions

It was awful.

Freezing cold. The game sucked. Stuck in the parking lot for three hours afterward.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Oct 4, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Well he needs to go on the NFL Network

and talk us up then. Don’t just say it on local radio stations. Give us some National props.

by Rowdy Chief on Oct 1, 2010 3:46 PM CDT reply actions

I think the big concussion has caused Trent to misremember the 2003 defense.

The 2003 defense was historically bad, one of the worst defenses ever in the NFL.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Oct 1, 2010 3:48 PM CDT reply actions

I LOVE your avatar avatar, but

I can’t agree with your statement. See below for reason.

by Djpress on Oct 1, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Aang is the man.

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by Rev. Slappy on Oct 2, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions

Trent is exactly right

They had 19 ints in those first 9 games. That’s a crazy amount.

by VermeilLikesToCry on Oct 1, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions

ACTUALLY, you guys should look at the number of points we gave up each game...

Starting with week 1: 14; 20; 14; 10; 23; 34 (OT W); 10; 5; 20; 19; 24; 24; 27; 17; 20; 3.

That’s an average of 16.5 points a game. Not too shabby. Any DECENT offense should be able to put up 2 TDs and a FG. We just happened to have an incredible offense that year.

If you want to talk yards given up, that’s a different story, and yeah, we were awful. But points given up wasn’t terrible.

For the Teams/Scores: http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/kc/year/2003

by Djpress on Oct 1, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions

Dont mean to be picky...

but the 19 points from game 10, the 27 points from game 13, and the 20 points from game 16 was the amount of points that we scored. We allowed 24 points in game 10, 45 points in game 13, and 45 points in game 16. So the points starting from week 1 would be 14, 20, 14, 10, 23, 34, 10, 5, 20, 24, 24, 24, 45, 17, 45, and 3 for a grand total of 332 points or 20.7ppg.

Great upset KU!!! Which team is the real Jayhawks though? The one who beat a Top 15 team or the one who loss to a football subdivision team.

by ChiefsFan90s on Oct 1, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions

oooooo burn...

Yeah, “pass” was certainly a four letter word in those days, but no one can claim bad run defense! And our run defense appears to be pretty stout again these days as well :)

by bamachief5558 on Oct 2, 2010 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions

The 'bend don't break then blow it in the playoffs' Defense.

I don’t miss it.

What's the difference between jelly and jam?

by WestonK on Oct 1, 2010 4:30 PM CDT reply actions

+1

Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.

by Fozzyboyd on Oct 1, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions

same defense we are playing now

with Romeo

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 1, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions

We didn't even bend against Frank Gore and Vernon Davis...

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Oct 1, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions

The BIG change in defense is our run defense

The Chiefs teams since Robinson have not been able to stop the run. If you can’t stop the run, then you have to be able to outscore the other team and look for turnovers. You can win games like that, but you can’t win championships, or even playoff games. Our defense for most of this decade allowed runners to have record days.

A “bend but don’t break defense” that CAN stop the run is MUCH better than one that can’t. We are miles ahead of where we were in 2003.

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by Big Chief on Oct 2, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions

AGREED.

by bamachief5558 on Oct 2, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions

I think our passing D stats are a bit misleading.

The yards against don’t really concern me when 70 of the yards were nonsense against the Niners when no one cared or were trying and we also have one game against SD where they were coming from behind and aired it out, not to mention they have put up 400+ yards weekly since the game against us. The fact is we aren’t going to play SD or teams with that good a passing offense every week and other more important stats if you ask me, passer rating against and completion % against we’re near the top of the league.

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by GenericBrand on Oct 1, 2010 4:45 PM CDT reply actions

I completely agree

People rely far too much on ‘yards against’ and ‘passing yards against’ in ranking defenses. In fact, its the default metric for many sports writers when they say “10th best defense” or some such crap without even telling you by which metric that is.

The total yards against is completely biased by passing yards against, which is a loaded stat that is WAAAAAAYYYY down on my list of good metrics. In fact, i’d judge a defense by just about anything else first. like:

Pts against
Rushing yards against
Passer Rating against
Sacks/QB pressures
Turnovers

by VermeilLikesToCry on Oct 1, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

If we go by yards then Oakland is a top 10 offense and a top 5 defense.

And if you’ve seen them play this year you know that just isnt the case on the field.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Oct 1, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions

I think that Haley has already addressed 1 of the big problems that team had

Conditioning.

by Enite on Oct 1, 2010 5:10 PM CDT reply actions

Im guessing it was the overrated Gary Stills.. runninng behind Dante again?

The missed block on Dante Hall’s return on Nov. 16, 2003, the 10th game and first loss against Cincinnati, is still ingrained in my mind as well.

Pro Bowlers2010- J Charles, D Johnson, B Flowers & B. Waters = 10-6

by 25 in Charge on Oct 1, 2010 6:13 PM CDT reply actions

Overrated!

Fuck that! Dante doesn’t get half those TD returns without Gary Stills. And on that particular play, Dante takes it to the house again if he just follows Gary’s original block (instead of beebopping and scatting all over the place). Not a standout player as a linebacker, sure, but on special teams, Gary killed it.

by stag on Oct 1, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions

Stills was average

sorry

Pro Bowlers2010- J Charles, D Johnson, B Flowers & B. Waters = 10-6

by 25 in Charge on Oct 4, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions

A couple similarities means...

Completely different. They aren’t very similar, sorry.

by Lucasjr5 on Oct 1, 2010 7:22 PM CDT reply actions

I still think

that the loss of Mike Maslowski hurt the Chiefs on defense more than most folks realized.

by bigbearomaha on Oct 1, 2010 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs

Maslowski is the only player in the history of the NFL Europe to record a 100 tackle season. As a member of the Dragons, Maslowski was twice named the NFL Europe Defensive Player of the Week, was the Defensive Player of the Year, and helped lead his team to play in World Bowl VII against the Frankfurt Galaxy.

In the 2002 season, Maslowski recorded 162 tackles, 109 of which were solo tackles, and broke the Chiefs single season record in tackles

Year Team G-S No.Tkl. Solo Tkl. Sacks TO Recovered
2002 Kansas City 16-16 123 92 1 4
2003 Kansas City 10-10 59 45 0 1

I really think he was a terrific player

by bigbearomaha on Oct 1, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

i really do agree with that.

All that defense really needed to do was slow the other team down. In theory our offense should have put up so many points the other team would have to abandon their game plan and throw on every down. I remember that year that teams could keep up with our O by running the ball.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Oct 2, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions

he and the awful ryan sims were reasons, we lose a top MLB on the rise and a leader, then our top DL is really not a top DL

that team had some amazing luck though

take the packers game, we would get those tip picks, and you could almost predict one coming, and boom, there is jerome woods to catch the tip…

that said, this team has so much more of a future..like mayock keeps saying, even if this team doesnt win this year in terms of going to the playoffs or whatever….with all the young talent playing well..right direction matter of time…that 03 team was in that window of opportunity

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Oct 2, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions

Rec

I kind of almost forgot about Maslowski, thanks for that :)

by bamachief5558 on Oct 2, 2010 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions

I think that this.....

Years squad is much different than the 2003 one……we are rebuilding….and taking baby-steps……… 3-0 is great, but…..we got 13 + games to go
with that said……I think Trent would be a good back-up now ;)

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by kcfansinceakid on Oct 2, 2010 3:28 AM CDT reply actions

WHERE IS MASLOWSKI NOW

Make a great understudy coaching under Romeo

by Mark in Ga. on Oct 2, 2010 4:58 AM CDT reply actions

You should use the sarcasm font

at least I assume you were being sarcastic

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by Big Chief on Oct 2, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions

Is Trent serious

The only similarities in the two teams were special teams. Defensively this defense by far is the best we’ve had for at least the last decade. Our run defense has been pathetic the last 10 yrs. In 03 we couldn’t stop a Diviison 3 offense. Colts didn’t even punt against the us in the 04 playoffs. The 06 and 07 defense with Herm cover 2 was better than 03 defense. And that’s not saying much.

by joed2001 on Oct 3, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions