Haley Calls Croyle a "Core Player" for the Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2010 11:07 AM CST
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PrintKansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley was asked in his press conference yesterday what core players the Chiefs currently have. As many of you know, the cupboard was pretty bare when Haley arrived in Kansas City less than a year ago so it's understandable, in my mind, if he doesn't see many core players on the team.
That's not the case, though. Haley listed off some of the regulars that we expected to hear - Jamaal Charles, Tamba Hali and Brandon Flowers, to name a few.
Haley prefaced his comments by saying that he can't go down the entire roster and list every player he thinks is or could be a "core player" but he did have a surprising name on the list.
How can a backup quarterback be a "core player"?
"Brodie Croyle you can’t overlook," Haley said of his second string quarterback.
"I perceive him playing a critical role for us as we go forward. That’s a critical spot and he developed as the year went on and gained confidence in what we were doing. That role is pretty critical that there is a cohesiveness in that [quarterback meeting] room and it’s not always the case. Everybody wants to play and everybody can’t play."
Interesting comments, particularly when you consider Croyle is one of six Chiefs who would be affected by the lack of a new collective bargaining agreement. If a new CBA isn't done in time, Croyle will become a restricted free agent and the Chiefs can retain his rights.
Judging by Haley's comments, he wants Croyle to stay. I've heard rumors (but certainly nothing confirmed) that Croyle isn't happy in Kansas City. Of course, a lot changes over the course of the season so we'll have to wait and see.
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I would like to know more about Croyle's role going forward
I can’t imagine Haley would call him a core player if all he was good for was poorly faking a punt
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left.
Maybe as a playcaller?
There was word that Castille endzone pass during the Browns or Bengals game…can’t remember which one it was.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
*there was word that he called
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
I hadn't heard that before
That’s pretty interesting if its true
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left.
Castille and Croyle apparently ran that play (or a similar one)
at Alabama. Croyle made the call for that play and “viola”, touchdown. Or at least that is the story I got.
LOL, I don't know if Holmgren would be down with that.
Probably depends on the pick…
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
It doesn't matter what pick
if it’s a mid-rounder + croyle for cribbs… Holmgren’s gonna shoot that down without thinking. No matter how much we may think of Croyle, he’s not worth a whole lot outside of KC.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Croyle
would be very impressive if he can stay healthy. The backup QB position is important, Haley knows this — think of some of his most recent QB combos (Warner/Leinart, Bledsoe/Romo), I think Cassel/Croyle is the next duo on this list. Croyle has a great attitude, a fantastic cannon for an arm, and a rapport with the WR’s (especially Bowe). This is all important, and I think he’s done a great job, showing much grit in coming back from a MAJOR injury to be a piece of the puzzle.
All this being said, if Croyle nets us something in trade, let him move on and become a starter someplace else — as long as it’s not Oakland or Denver.
The problem with Croyle is his knee and his overall build.
It’s been reported—nationally and locally—that he has a defect with his bone structure in his knees. Apparently they are angular or edged somehow, and it makes his ligaments prone to tearing. Further, he still looks about eight to twelve pounds short of a legit, 16-game playing weight.
If anyone were to start him, they’d have to bulk him up (even more) and have him work on his touch passes…and pray that his knee ligs’ hold up.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
This new regime isn't going to have any of Peterson's sentimentality about players.
They believe Cassel is their guy, but if he falters they won’t hesitate to replace him.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
and that's how teams win
To some degree every job is that way – if you don’t perform you are fired. The difference is in the fierceness of the competition – most jobs aren’t as competetive as being an NFL player.
i don't belive it for a second
he’s there guy for the next two years at least, NO MATTER WHAT
by LHO on Jan 7, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm all for sitting on Croyle
and letting him develop until the cows come home. He could never be that expensive, is a serviceable backup, and I always like to give players we draft sometime’s second, third, and fourth chances. He has shown flashes with his limited playing time and the line we currently have now I’d have to say is better than any other line he’s ever played behind. I would even say it’s possible he could develop into a better QB than Cassel.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 7, 2010 11:19 AM CST reply actions
I believe sitting on Croyle would be a mistake
Given his injury history, being sat on would likely turn him into some form of paste
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left.
I was thinking more of a meat patty
With Weis-sized grill lines.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Yum.
I want a side of his wife.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
Agree Shuffle
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 7, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I think both Haley and Cassel also know that Croyle could potentially develop into something good
If he can remain healthy.
It serves a constant reminder to Cassel that there is another QB waiting in the wings that still has something to prove in this league also, and seems to keep getting better. That competition can’t be a bad thing.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
oh todd haley, how I love thee for increasing the croyle trade value, they want another 5 evidently
Haley is the right coach who just needs good people around him, much like Cassel
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
Jamaal "Do it All" Charles
Its very possible that that is what Haley is trying to do. I would like that trade if it were to happen
I don’t know why it didn’t occur to me sooner
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left.
Even though I have made some pretty biting
jokes about Brodie Croyle here on AP, I actually like the guy as a human being and as a player. He just can’t stay healthy long enough to be great.
That's because Croyle is a fine QB. He is injury prone is all.
Croyle would have made quite a name for himself in the NFL had he stayed healthy enough to be a starter somewhere and had given himself time to learn with one team and one coach etc.
He has pretty much shot himself in the foot because he can’t stay healthy enough to be counted on. He has a very good arm. And that’s with him only coming in to play every once in a while. If he could start a season like Cassel has and take every snap and have time to get a rythm with his players he could be special. It’s too bad for him really. But he makes a fantastic backup QB for us.
It’s not like Painter over in Indy. When Croyle comes in you still feel good about your odds.
not much of a drop-off in abilty
just durability
by reedeasy on Jan 7, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Cassel did NOT start the regular season.
He was injured for a couple pre-season games and was not healthy enough to start in the first game.
Kind of odd that everyone keeps saying that Croyle will get hurt, when he played and got hit hard when Cassel was missing games nursing his injury.
Torn knee ligaments require recovery, Wyatt...
Just sayin’.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
Right on, Kray.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
Not that it changes your point
..but Painter isn’t he back up in Indy. Painter is the 3rd string guy.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Possibly. Only time will tell...
If Brodie could prove that he’d stay healthy or Matt could prove he can throw with accuracy, we’d have an apples-to-apples comparison.
Problem is, you can’t coach either. Can we add Brokie and Cass together this offseason? Like, an NFL algebra equation?
Don’t tell my g/f by the way, but I still call Brodie’s wife in that instance.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
I dont see that, I see trade bait
Haley is the right coach who just needs good people around him, much like Cassel
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
Jamaal "Do it All" Charles
-10
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
I can't understand this argument at all
I can understand if you say that Brodie and/or Cassel could win the same amount of games with this team. The fact is there is NOTHING to prove that Brodie is better than Cassel.
And I’m not saying Cassel is that much better than Brodie, but come on, you don’t have a leg to stand on!
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
I think Brodie Croyle is one of the better backups in the league.
I don’t think you could bank on him staying healthy and leading your team for a whole season, but I would feel pretty comfortable having him coming off the bench if a starter goes down.
I'm thinking the same thing
And thats how I’m applying the term “core player” in this situation. You need a backup QB that can step in if anything happens knock on wood
I agree. Haley also said that the “Core Players” weren’t necessarily starters.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Terrance Copper
Anyone?
Guy’s not a starter but I see him as a “core” player. Probably our best Special teams player/tackler and an OK reciever
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
i would be ok with keeping him
I was saying all year I thought they should have given him more playing time at WR instead of bringing all these other guys in. Atleast give him more then a game here or there to see what he can do, see if he can develope.
People just don't understand the role of backup QB....
Having someone come in and lead the offense in a case where your starter cant isn’t even 50% of the job, it isn’t even 25% of the job. The backup QB has so many other roles and responsibilities and from alot of the comments made by Haley, Croyle is really embracing the role.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I'm happy having his wife in Kansas City :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Jan 7, 2010 12:24 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Lmao
I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
Haley-Crennel 2010.
by scottbwalters on Jan 7, 2010 12:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So then you wouldn't want to have his wife...
…say, in a road game hotel room in Philly?
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Um Philly Cheesesteak :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
With this line..
Cassel could be hurt at any time. Keeping Croyle, who knows the offense just as well as Cassel, is insurance for a rebuilding team. If we trade him, and we bring in a new back up you lose confidence in the QB position. Croyle does not make that much money, keep him.
Croyle was an important player in getting Castille a bigger role from what I hear
which will pay off in dividends next year
we also have Matt Gutierrez
who has been in the same system all 3 of is years in the league. So we could probably still have a decent backup if we can get good trade value out of brodie. I mean look at his numbers his nfl career completion % is 100%, I like the idea mentioned above Croyle to Cleveland for Cribbs.
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