Whitlock Grades the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs
This is probably the column I look forward to most from Jason Whitlock of the Kansas City Star. At the conclusion of every season, he hands out his annual grades. He's played football himself so he does have knowledge of the game uses that serious side to combine with his humor.
The result? A pretty entertaining read.
The A's include Jamaal Charles (obviously) and Chan Gailey, whose "image is untarnished after being fired by Haley before the start of the season."
Here are a few other interesting grades from Mr. Whitlock:
B - Derrick Johnson
Yep, I’m giving DJ a high grade. He deserves it for not assaulting Haley. DJ rode the bench behind kickoff-coverage wedge busters. In the few snaps he was allowed, DJ had a knack for getting involved in big plays. He knocked Ben Roethlisberger out of the Pittsburgh game with an accidental knee to the head. DJ forced a Torry Holt fumble with hustle in the Jacksonville game. DJ kept the Chiefs in the Baltimore game with a 70-yard interception return. And, of course, DJ destroyed the Broncos with two pick-six returns. DJ was involved in more memorable Chiefs defensive plays than any other defender, and he played only 15 to 20 snaps a game.
B - Wallace Gilberry
I like Wally a lot, and it’s not just because he has a unique name for a brother. Wally does something his higher-drafted defensive end teammates can’t do. Wally actually tackles the opposing quarterback in the backfield. He did it 4 1/2 times this season. The L$U Brothers — Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson — combined for one sack this season. Wally is underpaid.
C - Bobby Wade
The only player on the roster with the necessary midsection courage to yell at Haley. How can you not like Wade? He’s a solid No. 4 receiver and a borderline No. 3. Wade runs good routes and has good hands. If he’s back next year, I’ll bet a thousand dollars he slaps Haley before the bye.
D- Matt Cassel
The Sixty Million Dollar Man does not deserve an F. Pioli and Haley handcuffed Cassel by failing to provide him the proper tools to compete. The Chiefs led the league in dropped balls. Cassel was stuck with Larry Johnson at running back the first half of the season. Johnson’s slow-footed running put the Chiefs in a lot of third-and-long situations. Third and long is not a quarterback’s friend. Toss in the fact that Haley played musical chairs at receiver, and Cassel’s 16 TD-16 INT season makes perfect sense. Don’t give up on Cassel. He’s not a franchise quarterback. He might be Chad Pennington.
F - Todd Haley
I know. You think I hate Haley. I don’t. The guy is really likable. He’s just embarrassingly immature. Good football coaches are patient. Haley has the patience of a mayfly, an insect with a lifespan of 30 minutes, and the game-day decision-making ability of a 13-year-old playing Madden video football for the first time. I’m going to cut my Haley commentary short because you’ve heard me moan and groan about Haley all season. I’m prayerful that he’ll do some heavy self-examination this offseason and come back next season resembling a legit NFL coach.
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HAHAHAHA now this must be a joke
“Bobby wade has good hands” ROFL
What would you do if you had a million dollars?
I would relax... I would sit on my ass all day... I would do nothing.
Well, you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do shit.
by ChiefsfanJon on Jan 5, 2010 10:18 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
F- ::: Jason Whitlock
Horrible writer. Never makes sense and has in no way any experience in the field of analyzing players/coaches. Needs to find a new job like a professional food taster.
Eric Berry needs to be a Kansas City Chief
uguhhhh i can't think of why he has a job.
I could do your job better Witlock! an im not saying your job is easy but you just really really suck at it.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Jan 5, 2010 10:25 AM CST reply actions
Well, I guess that depends on his job IS, doesn't it?
As SwimCoach put it, Whitlock’s job isn’t to analyze players or coaches – he isn’t a NFL GM or HC – but instead, to comment on what he sees in the sports world, so the Star can sell papers. There’s nothing at all wrong with disagreeing with his point of view on this (or any other) topic, but it seems to me that in this case, he’s done his job damned well. Because his job isn’t to be right or wrong. It’s to get people talking.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
And to read The Star
which I don’t know many people who don’t read his column religiously if nothing else but to vehemently disagree with what he says.
Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don’t. Sometimes he makes me laugh, and sometimes he makes me angry. But I always read his column.
If you only knew...
yeah an he isnt very good at it.
if he was any good at it why on earth would he give DJ a B! an BOOBY WADE a C!. what the hell is he looking at? i see the same game he does every week. Dj has been terribly inconsistant over 3 years an bobby wade has AWFUL hands. an there is no way Haley gets a F. I’d say a C. I gave up reading his colums cause he just has nothing ever to say worth a shit. he reminds me of Glenn Beck.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Jan 5, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Shrug
Whitlock calls a bad team bad to make himself look smart. Gutless and predictable.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Jan 5, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Too hard on Haley
I’d give Haley a D or maybe a C from the way he adjusted as the year went on. The first half, I was ready to fly to Kansas City and punch him in the throat, but he showed me in the second half that he is able to adapt and its clear the team did not quit on him.
And everyone else is too hard on Whitlock. As soon as you see his collumn, people put the obligitory “He’s an idiot” statement regardless of what he says. Not everything he says is idiotic although some is pretty funny (ie: Wade’s hands)
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Jan 5, 2010 10:29 AM CST reply actions
Id give him a C
Because the effort on the field clearly shows the players never gave up on him which means the players respect him and his coaching and behind closed doors theres something good going on which we dont see.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jan 5, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I give him a B
It’s not like Pioli went out and got a lot of big name FAs during the offseason. The only big names to come in were Cassel and Vrabel. Other than that it was some waiver wire guys and draft picks with the old scouts in place. Haley did hurt us by not figuring out that he and Chan weren’t working out until late in the off season. But he did put in the foundations to build this team and got his offensive and defensive systems in place. But the biggest thing is that this team never quit and never acted like it was going to, even after some serious beat downs. And he managed to do win at Denver, something the best Chiefs teams has struggled to do and something we haven’t done since Invesco opened.
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields
Just wow...
“Ryan Succop, K: He’s a bit overhyped because he was the last player selected in the 2009 draft.”
Because you know everyone wants to be the last player picked in the draft to get all that “hype”.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
and this is why i don't even get on the star every once in a while anymore
posnanski used to be pretty entertaining. i’ll read mellinger’s royals blog during the season. but it’s completely obvious now that whitlock isn’t out to make sense or provide worthwhile commentary.
at first it was frustrating but once i realized the only thing he’s seeking anymore is a childish reaction to his childish, petty barbs…. i guess, for like a second, it was funny. now it’s just a sad reflection of the current state of the star and newspapers in general trying to stay above water. if whitlock hadn’t burned every bridge he had elsewhere he’d have been long gone.
You miss the point...
Whitlock IS good at what he does. He goes for a reaction…and gets it damn near every time he writes something.
I read his stuff for entertainment…and nothing else.
Exactly what Scott B. says...
He’s a reactionary for the reactionaries, and I only agree with him on any given subject about 50% of the time, but I’ve always liked his moxy.
Plus, bonus points for the Sean LaChapelle reference.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
Colquitt by the way was third in the league in net with 41.2 average...
Was one punt inside the 20 from the NFL record(only 6 touch backs), had only 40% of his punts returned and had a ridiculous 24 fair catches while maintaining 45+ yard/punt average. Thats probably one of the best years by a punter but just “good” for whitlock.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
He's played football himself so he does have knowledge of the game...... Well guess what,
I took basic chemistry, doesn’t make me a chemist.
And while he may want Haley to be patient, the NFL is not patient when it comes to awarding success.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:39 AM CST reply actions
It's hard to stay patient when whitlock writes such negative comments that spreads to readers who start demanding Haley's head on a stick...
Mob mentality…
There has to be some level of responsibility in what he says. I mean entertaining, sure. But it’s misinformation too. People who don’t know anything only have his skewed view to go on if they read his stuff.
That's why it annoys me
His negativity is like a virus.
Some of his player-grade comments are entertaining, but his hatred of Pioli and Haley couldn’t be more obvious, and he won’t even give them a chance. He’s like the member of a family who will find the negative in every situation, and manipulate the discussion to focus on the negative.
Like in the press conference with Haley after the Denver game, Whitlock is the guy asking what happened with that halfback pass disaster, and “Would Haley agree that it was a bad call by the Offensive Coordinator?”
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
The Whitlock mob is the dumbest, least informed of all sports fans.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
He's no dumby
i can see why Wade would get a C because he was catching alot of balls when he first got here, he just fell off in a major way down the stretch but Whitlock is good at what he does. Stop hating on the brotha and Wade probably would smack em, lol.
i know sports
Whitlock = F for Fat Failure
Reading Whitlock makes you dumber. The more you read him the more brain cells you kill. Maybe reading some writers won’t educate you very much, but reading Whitlock will actually make you less knowledgeable about everything except Whitlock’s big fat ego.
by Offense of the 70s on Jan 5, 2010 10:48 AM CST reply actions
He may hate Haley and think he's impatient and immature...
But I hope he isnt as dumb as the guy suggesting Wade Smith is the answer at RG next year.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Jason was amusing and not too far off.
Warren Sapp said it was hell being a 3-4 DE in Oakland all you do is occupy blockers. Dorsey does that. He gets at least a C+. I also think he and DJ and Bowe are gone.
whitlock
this dude writing a “grade”,for any team,muchless my beloved chiefs,is like the term military intellagence,or central intelligence agency.
That's only the second Whitlock article I've read since he started on the Egoli stuff
because he was upset he wasn’t given the keys to Arrowhead stadium. I was surprised to see that I actually mostly agreed with him in his Pendergast comments – but not about being scapegoated by Haley.
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields
Actually
they did give him the keys to Arrowhead.
He was just pissed to find out they moved the offices into the new complex.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Jan 5, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Also he listed knocking out Big Ben with a knee to the head as a positive to DJ...
Suppose Pollard got an A++ last year for destroying Brady’s knee then huh?
What would you do if you had a million dollars?
I would relax... I would sit on my ass all day... I would do nothing.
Well, you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do shit.
I stick with kent babb...I loved pollard til I heard of his locker room attitude...I dont care how good he is if hes a chemistry problem
Haley is the right coach who just needs good people around him, much like Cassel
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
Jamaal "Do it All" Charles
From what I've read ...
He wasn’t a problem with chemistry with his teammates. His chemistry problem came with a young head coach eager to prove he was ‘the man’ in town and that no one was too good to be sent home.
thats the way it should be
doesnt matter if its a young or old coach, players should not be above coaches, especially not just an average player at best
oh please
Gailey an A? that right there says enough….he shouldnt be in the rankings…seriously whitlock is so dumb at times with these ratings
wade? who cant like wade? wtf? wade was a JOKE we all know that.
Just more bashing people, predicting busts, and predicting trades that have us on the bad end….and people ask me what happened to the kc fan base…its called reporters with an ax to grind
Haley is the right coach who just needs good people around him, much like Cassel
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
Jamaal "Do it All" Charles
Except...
Whitlock isn’t a reporter. He’s a columnist. Big difference.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
fair enough
Haley is the right coach who just needs good people around him, much like Cassel
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
Jamaal "Do it All" Charles
My Grades for his list
DJ- C+ – He did very well at what he does well. He played pass protection and read the QB’s eyes getting 3 int’s. But other than those 3 ints and his superman sack on Big Ben he was completely invisible on the field.
Gilberry- C+ – Yes he got 4 1/2 sacks this year but he only plays Nickle situations that i saw and the one game he had to play end during running downs we gave up 260 rushing yards.
Wade- F – He had a good first game but followed it up by disappearing only reappearing to drop passes every once and a while.
Cassell- C+ – He has a lack of weapons around him especially for the first 10 games. I know he has been inaccurate this year but other than Bowe he didn’t have any time with the receivers in camp to get into a timing with them. He holds the ball too long but a lot of great quarterbacks do that when they want to make a play and this will change as he matures.
Haley- C+ – Having to constantly deal with a changing roster and trying to evaluate players at the same time its understandable that it took so long to gel. I love his moves in the preseason benching Bowe, deactiving Charles, and making Johnson into a coverage LB.
What would you do if you had a million dollars?
I would relax... I would sit on my ass all day... I would do nothing.
Well, you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do shit.
Is it just me or is Whitlock getting worse and worse.
His columns used to be bearable. I used to enjoy the grades at the end of each season.
Fatlock has gotten too full of himself. Anytime you read one of his articles, it’s abundantly clear that he has some sort of personal vendetta towards Pioli. I don’t get the Egoli thing, considering Shitlock has one of the fattest egos in KC. The grading was horrible. Chan Gaily? Really? Chan gets an A because our coach struggled without him? Really Jason? I didn’t know this class was graded on a curve…. and that students who were expelled could receive a grade. And the Bobby Wade bit. WTF?!?!:
75 Bobby Wade, WR: The only player on the roster with the necessary midsection courage to yell at Haley. How can you not like Wade? He’s a solid No. 4 receiver and a borderline No. 3. Wade runs good routes and has good hands. If he’s back next year, I’ll bet a thousand dollars he slaps Haley before the bye.
Good routes? Maybe. When he doesn’t fall down. Good hands? You’ve got to be kidding me. The only reason Jason is on his knees for this guy is because Jason thinks Wade is some kind of tough guy for standing up to Haley. I doubt he’s the only one. Warner and Boldin both used to get into it with Haley. The difference between them and Wade is that, well, they’re legitimate players. I look for Wade to be gone, not because of his shouting matches, but because of his level of play.
Bottom line is that Whitlock is a washed up shock jock sports writer. These grades were horrible. The jokes were stale. Whitlock is simply a tool trying to milk his time here in KC. But hey…. it pays the bills. I ain’t hatin’. I’m just tired of this jackass wasting valuable paper.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 5, 2010 11:28 AM CST reply actions
OK... but in fairness, it must be noted
that your objection to Whitlock is that it’s “abundantly clear that he has some sort of personal vendetta towards Pioli.” Perhaps this is true. Who knows?
But if you’re going to take that position, you don’t help your case by referring to him as “Shitlock” or “Fatlock.” Wouldn’t you agree that creating a perjorative term from somebody’s name might indicate you have some kind of personal vendetta against them?
Just sayin…
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
You mean like "Egoli"? -course Jason denying that makes it OK
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
By denying I meant "his writing that he has nothing against the man"...lol...riiiiight
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Yes... like Egoli.
The only point I’m making is that by resorting to the same tactics, a person gives up the right to complain about a “personal vendetta.”
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
RDOGuy..... your really a women aren't you.
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Jan 5, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Here I lie...
slain by your brilliant retort.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
I do.
His articles have become more and more “shit” over the last few years. Maybe the “Fatlock” was a bit much. Regardless, I don’t like the guy because he’s become a hypocritical ass towards Pioli, and his material is just lame. But then… I’m not a journalist so I am allowed to be as biased as I want.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 5, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
That's exactly my point, Red N Gold
Whitlock isn’t a journalist. He’s a columnist. Even though the work of each are printed in the same paper, they are two different jobs. You’re exactly right. You can be as biased as you like. But so can he – because he’s not a journalist.
I respect that you don’t agree with him. Often I don’t, either. But when I disagree with him, I take issue with his opinions – not his waistline.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Fair enough.
It probably was wrong of me to drop to his level and call names. I had just got done reading the entirety of his column prior to posting. From now on I’ll take at least 5 minutes cool down before I touch the keyboard.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 5, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
OK, let's play that card....Agreed RDOGuy
I can then say he’s no better than “Jerry Springer” and is “The Jerry Springer of print media”…fair enough.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
lol
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 5, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
dont like his opinions either, but their needs to be integrity in both...at least that what I was taught in journalism
Haley is the right coach who just needs good people around him, much like Cassel
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
Jamaal "Do it All" Charles
I don't disagree with you there, SDChief
Personally… I am not a fan of the “I don’t care what they say about me, as long as they spell my name right” mentality in media commentary. But it’s been with us as long as there have been newspapers (or radio and TV, for that matter) and my personal dislike for it doesn’t change the fact that for a lot of these guys, it works.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
It's also fair to note...
…Whitlock was one of the first people at the Star calling for Scott to come to KC, last year. I don’t think he has some kind of vendetta against Pioli, especially when that’s who he wanted to replace Carl in the first place.
Clearly, he’s disappointed in the way the season went, and finds the blame in the guy he thought would do good things for us. In my personal opinion, he’s flagrantly over-reacting – just like he always has – but it doesn’t make his articles and opinion less interesting; and apparently nor does it make them not worth discussing.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
well and if gailey is out where is tank and thiggy? we got 2 5's for them, they were here this season too...we got the better deal...
Haley is the right coach who just needs good people around him, much like Cassel
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
Jamaal "Do it All" Charles
Iquit reading after the Cha Gailey grade
Same Whitlock different Chiefs management. Ever since Joe Po left the The Star I really have found no good reason to read the columnists.
It's funny
…but in mid-season I was ostracized by the Whitlock “supporters” here for commenting on his poor journalistic coverage and opinions, yet now I see most folks berating him for what I’ve seen for a long time.
I’ll take Posnanski and I miss Flannigans reporting as well.
Jason is nothing more than a blogger that is getting paid to have his opines published in print. I would also point out that I’ve seen better writing by more folks on AP than on Jason’s best writing day.
The great part about having it in print is using his columns as a piss pad for my dog.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
What a stupid article
Each player’s entry was just a poor excuse for him to rip on Coach Haley. Whitlock didn’t put any thought into this except how he could attack the coach while somehow making it look like he’s talking about individual players. A simple goal, but he failed at it miserably. Giving Chan Gailey an A for getting fired is egregiously stupid. I don’t think Whitlock sleeps at night because he’s too busy foaming at the mouth over how much he wants to kill Todd Haley and his family. His irrational hatred for the man clouds his judgment. He spends hundreds of words bashing Haley, gives shitty players high grades for fighting with the head coach, and then, when it comes time to give Haley his inevitable F grade, he claims that he doesn’t hate the guy? Give me a break.
Of course, the whole thing is probably an act so he can stir the pot and keep himself relevant in some small way. Either way, it’s pretty pathetic.
by Soria's Unibrow on Jan 5, 2010 12:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He wants to kill Todd Haley and his family?
Overstate much?
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
I don’t think Whitlock sleeps at night because he’s too busy foaming at the mouth over how much he wants to kill Todd Haley and his family.
That right there is 100x more offensive than anything JW has ever written. WTF?
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
Whitlock calls it like the rest of the NFL see us....
Whether any of us die hard fans want to admit it or not….a lot of people are pointing at this team and laughing. We have looked like a bumbling mess for most of the season. It started when we were the first team in history to fire our offensive coordinator a week before the seasons started. Whether that was the right decision or not, after that happens, every mistake you make, or bad play call made, people are going to point to it and say “see, I told you so”.
Let me say, that I want Haley back next yr and I think he has done some good things that I would like to see him expand on. We need more talent and I expect us to get it, but Haley has to be better. Haley has to be able to recognize talent and not have guys sitting the bench that should be on the field helping us win(JC never got a chance til LJ screwed up).
I totally agree with Whitlocks grade on DJ…he should have been on the field more. He made quite a few GAME CHANGING plays in his limited time on the field.
To prove my point about Haley and what the rest of the NFL thinks of him and this team….NFL Network has a coaches show with Mariucci and B Billick. The segment was about how the economy is effecting owners decisions to retain lackluster coaches. That firing a coach under contract means you still have to pay himAND the new coach brought in.They flashed the faces of a few coaches that they thought are on “the Hot Seat” that could be retained because of the terrible economy….among these faces was Mangini,Raheem Morris,Spagnolo, Cable and…wait for it….Todd Haley.
I totally agree with Whitlocks grade on DJ…he should have been on the field more. He made quite a few GAME CHANGING plays in his limited time on the field.
And he probably blew just as many.
Yes he had a good game against the Broncos but he was on the field in passing situations all year if I remember right. For most of those snaps, he didn’t really do anything. 37 tackles, 3 INT (2 in the last game, 1 in the first), 1 sack, 1 forced fumble.
For every good play he’s made, I’m sure someone with a better memory than mine could point out an equally bad play he’s made. Like the one game he completely blew the coverage on a TD. Even the commentator (Gannon I think) commented that his technique was terrible and he’s just not where he should be considering it’s his 5th year in the league. I also remember seeing him miss more than a few tackles, though to be fair, he’s hardly alone in that.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate DJ. I like the guy and wish he could become the player some think he is, but for now he’s still DJ. Great game here, nothing that stands out for a couple weeks. One good game doesn’t mean he’s suddenly getting it.
But at the same time look at guys like Brown...
who is a “Haley Guy” . He didnt lose any time on the field for poor play….How many times did he blow a coverage assignment? If he was healthy, he was on the field string every game after he took Pollards job. A Herm guy….who just so happened to have one of his best seasons ever for the Texans this yr.
And I don't like to admit it, but most of the blame goes to Haley for this season.
He made some huge mistakes. He did say in his presser after the game that DJ and Charles opened his eyes a little, or at least wouldn’t be happy just riding the bench. I hope this season keeps him more open minded going into next season.
I'll be the one to say it.
Like Whitlock, most of us have our own arbitrary reasons for grading someone — be they a player, coach, or member of the front office — higher or lower than Whitlock did.
It may be that we hold a personal affinity for certain players (I’ll admit I’m a Jon McGraw fan, for example). Whitlock likely does, too (except he likely knows the players far more personally than we do).
Or, it may be that we have a skewed perception of how good a player really is, likely because of what we’ve read on the internet and overblown reactions we have to one or two bad plays that stand out in our mind (for example, everyone here labelled Jamaal Charles a fumbler early in the year and, yet, he has only 4 fumbles this year and ends the season as our hope for the future). Whitlock likely does, too.
And yet, while disagreeing with Whitlock’s opinions — and rather than rebuffing his opinions with facts — a lot of people here blast him (often with pejoratives and name-calling while complaining of Whitlock resorting to pejoratives and name-calling) simply because his arbitrary, skewed opinions don’t match their own arbitrary, skewed opinions.
Ironic much?
by JacinB on Jan 5, 2010 1:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well said, Jacin
Although I must admit that it is probably an aribitrary, skewed opinion! :-)
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
You forgot one word
..you needed to insert “uneducated” between the words “skewed” and “opinion”
The JW supporters can twist this anyway they want to, but the fact is that anyone hounding the need for “Jeff George” as a QB for the Chiefs is purely uneducated in the sport of professional football.
George has been “ancient” for years, yet not one of the 32 teams or all the press in this country has mentioned George more than JW as being a viable QB. Heck, no one would even consider George for ball-warmer for the kicker.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
With all due respect...
That is so… 1998.
I can’t think of many posts in this thread that are actually defending Whitlock’s positions in this particular article. Speaking for myself… I haven’t said a word about what I think about them. All I’ve done is point out that Whitlock is a columnist, instead of a reporter or journalist. So the all the complaints about his bias, stupidity and so on – which occur in each and every thread where Whitlock’s name is mentioned – are really beside the point.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Actually it's 2009 per Whitlock
He’s mentioned Jeff George every year at least once since he’s been with the Star.
You might be trying to convince some of the difference between “journalist” and “coulmnist” and we get that….we actually got it ALL the times you posted it. Still doesn’t mean a hill of beans to those of us that believe his sense of humor is lacking (I guess that’s what he’s trying to do is write humor) as well as his poor sense of football (uneducated).
Just because you are trying to portray him as an opinionated columnist, doesn’t mean we don’t view his writing (most of it) as purely grade-school huumor.
Just my opinionated blogging.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 5, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And you're entitled to your opinion, of course.
For what it’s worth, you have valid points about Whitlock’s columns – that too often, they’re not as funny as he probably thinks they are, and can also be petty and repetitive. As to the former, I am well aware that some of the things I’ve written that I thought were hilarious didn’t turn out to be nearly as funny to others, so I can forgive him for that. It happens. As to the latter… IMO, there is no excuse.
My own personal beef with Whitlock – and with some other opinion shapers in the media – is that there is no room for shades of gray, or personal accountibility. The coach (or player) is either a genius or a moron – and we are supposed to simply accept it when the writer pulls a 180 one week later. Everybody can be wrong. What’s the problem with being a man and saying so if that turns out to be the case? In my view, that gives a writer even more credibility. But that’s just me.
Honestly… I doubt the two of us would be very far apart in our evaluation of the substance of a particular thing Whitlock might say.
I have to say, though, that I am amused by your expertise about how often Whitlock has mentioned Jeff George since he first starting harping on him back in the 90s. I wouldn’t have known that, because I don’t read Whitlock’s column often enough to say one way or another. But you – clearly someone who can’t stand the guy – appear to be able to quote chapter and verse. So he’s accomplishing what he’s being paid to do – to bring people to the paper.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Nope
I don’t “quote chapter and verse”, however I do read AP and use the search function. The power of the internet is at your fingertips.
I read Whitlock up to the point where he gets redicuouls or mentions a rap group or tries to be funny and fails epicly or talks about P&L. Then my reading is done and I skip the rest of the article. This usually is 2 paragraphs.
The question you need to ask is whether I would miss his writing if he were gone? And the answer is equivocally “No”. Actually I would rather see JoPo or Fannigan back at the Star. Their writing had a lot of personal thoughts/opinions but at least they were backed up with some sort of statistics to back their argument whether you agreed with their use of statistics/arguments or not.
Whitlock does nothing but use cliche’s of food to back up his grading of Chiefs players…uhm, yeah, my point is made.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
lol
I think Cassel should get a C….He is pretty much right on about everyone else cept Haley and Wade.
The thing about Wade is, I don’t think he is serious enough. We’ve seen him make a few good catches. Those first couple of weeks he came in and did really good for us. After he secured the job it was like he stopped trying as hard. Seems like he just wants that paycheck and nothing else. Time to send him his walking papers if he doesn’t get his head into the game and show us he has what it takes to be a part of the Chiefs franchise in the off season.
Hali, Johnson, Vrable, Mays, Williams, Studebaker, Belcher
-Come Get Some-
Whitlock did bring up a point that has been debated a lot on this site
with Dorsey playing out of postion/out of scheme he will never become the player he was originally drafted to be. Do we continue to play him as 3-4 end or do we shop him to a 4-3 team? I felt like he made big improvments this year, and generally D-line players take a year or two to adjust to the pros. I think Dorsey could be a beast next year, I’m just not convinced he’ll do it in the 3-4
Whitlock gets an
A for A-hole and an F for F-you.
Man, I hate him.
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Jan 5, 2010 8:29 PM CST reply actions

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