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Idiots Guide to Tim Tebow: Why He Will Never Be An NFL QB (For at Least Four Years)

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Tim Tebow.

One of the most divisive athletes of recent memory.

On the one hand, you have the fans who love the outspoken Christian, "goody two shoes" personality.  They claim he is perhaps the best Quarterback ever to play college football, pointing to numerous awards including being the first Sophomore to win the Heisman Trophy.  They point to the records he's broken, such as being the first player in college football to pass and run for 20 TDs in a season.  They point to the University of Florida's record under Tebow, including a national title in 2008.

Then there are those who say Tebow's public persona is fake, nobody can be THAT perfect. They point to the pictures taken with large breasted women and insinuate that what could be happening when the camera isn't on might not be consistent with the morals he espouses.  They say that while Tebow was a great college player, he is more fullback than quarterback.  Most of his records have to do with his running ability rather than passing.  They talk about his poor throwing mechanics and the system he played in at Florida as reasons he will be a failure in the NFL.

We hear the scouts and draftniks talk over and over about how, even though he has "1st pick overall intangibles" as Mel Kiper said, Tebow simply does not have what it takes to be an NFL QB.  As many of us are planning to watch the Senior Bowl this afternoon, let's get prepared to look at why the scouts say  he won't make it, but also see how Tebow has responded to a meer week of NFL coaching.

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 Why Tim Tebow Will Never Be An NFL QB

 

 Exhibit A - Tebow Is A System Quarterback

 As with most quarterbacks coming out of college these days, Tebow played in a Spread Offense.  The difficulty of any spread offense is the difficulty of getting good play action on a handoff fake.  We have seen one way of addressing this with the Pistol formation we ran with Tyler Thigpen in 2008.

Tebow as a QB that was as likely to run with the ball as pass it was in many ways his own play action. 

 

Notice how often  after taking a snap he will take a few steps forward as though he were running before stopping and throwing.  This causes the defense to react to stop the run, abandoning their coverage assignments.  Tebow perfected this with his signature "jump pass".  The effectiveness and frequency of his rushes also made the counters and options the Florida offense ran more effective since the defenders had to continue covering the QB in case he didn't actually make the handoff.

Could this be translated to the NFL where the players are stronger, faster and smarter?

Tebow is often compared to Steve Young, who was a QB that ran a lot in college and his early professional career and later had great success in the NFL.  However, Steve Young was a scrambler who would run when his blocking broke down.  Tebow is not a scrambler.  He isn't an escape artist.  His rushing yards came on designed runs that took advantage of his athletic talents. 

Could an NFL team be successful with a quarterback whose skill set requires he constantly be exposed to injury by head hunting defenses by play design?  The QB is the leader of the team and if he goes down, the hopes of the team do as well. 

Running backs can play with certain injuries they sustain.  Look at the injury Jamaal Charles suffered.  A running back with bad shoulders can still play.  A Quarterback with injured shoulders can't.  Would you really build an offense around that skill set?  What happens if he is hurt and can no longer play?  Do you have to change your entire offense so your backup can carry on?

 

Exhibit B - Tebow Can't Take A Snap From Under Center

Since I think most will admit that depending on your QB to rush the ball enough to be his own play action as Tebow did at Florida will not work in the NFL, that means Tebow is going to have to learn to take snaps from under center and learn how to drop back.  Many will say this isn't a big deal.  What they are ignoring though, is what else the QB is doing AS he drops back.

Taking snaps out of the shotgun, the ball is to you instantly and the QB has space to survey the field.  A quarterback taking snaps from under center, however, must be evaluating how the defense is responding to the play action and are covering his WRs routes, all WHILE he is getting his footwork down.

 

Exhibit C - Tebow Has A Very Poor Throwing Motion

Tebow's throwing motion by Brian Billick:

 

As for why this is a problem, think about Tamba Hali.  How many times have we seen Hali just a half step late getting to the QB?  Tebow's throwing motion of bringing the ball to his hip is the equivellent of that half step.  That equals more sacks and, as Billick rightly points out, more stripped balls.

 

Why Tim Tebow Might Be Playing QB In The NFL Four Years From Now

Now that we have dissected the reasons why Tebow will never be a starting QB in the NFL.  Let's look at why, given enough time, he might.

Charisma & Leadership

Tebow will NEVER be a Peyton Manning type technically perfect quarterback.  But he does have the potential to be a Tom Brady style QB.  Brady was drafted in the sixth round because he wasn't physically impressive or had the strongest arm.  What Brady did have, was the ability to will his team on by his charisma and leadership.

Those are two qualities that Tim Tebow completely oozes out of every pore.  He is unquestionably a leader of men.

As a Senior in High School, ESPN filmed a segment entitled "The Chosen One" about Tebow.

As a Junior, Tebow gave a little speech after a loss to Ole Miss in which he promised to drive himself and his teammates harder than anyone the remainder of the season (they later won the national championship).  The fans, players and even the coaches were so inspired that his words were later immortalized on a plaque outside the football building of Florida University that was put up by head coach Urban Meyer.

Of all the skills a quarterback can possess, charisma and leadership, the intangibles, are the most important, and the most difficult to find.  Tebow will make the roster of some NFL team for no other reason than that he possesses those two rare qualities.

Steve Young

I know, I know.  I said comparing Tebow to Steve Young was a mistake, and its true.  I don't see much comparison between Steve Young and Tim Tebow.

The reason I bring Young up is because Tebow could potentially follow a similar career path.  Young was drafted by Tampa Bay and poorly utilized.  He was considered a bust after two years and was practically given away to San Francisco.  Nobody in San Francisco wanted him either, but one man.  Bill Walsh.

Sitting behind Joe Montana for four years and benefiting from the coaching of Walsh, Young was finally ready when Montana missed the entire 1991 season with an elbow injury.  The rest is history.

If Tebow ends up on a team with a great QB already established that can mentor him and also has a very good QB coach that can spend a few years working on his mechanics, Tebow could end up following in Young's career footsteps.

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Rec. You are right, he belongs somewhere in the NFL.

I want the kid to succeed. He is talented & carries himself well. It will be interesting to see who drafts him & in what round… I am not going to predict anything except, whoever does draft him will have a better team.

by ChiefsChance on Jan 30, 2010 10:19 AM CST reply actions  

Steve Young started off in the USFL and played 2 seasons there

before he went to the NFL. Tebow’s mechanics remind me of another QB, but I’m not sure who. I’m glad the other announcer called Billick on his idiotic comparison to Dan Marino. Listening to him helped me remember why no one talks about this guy as an NFL HC anymore.

Marino’s mechanics were actually derided before the 83 draft and were part of the reason he dropped so low. The complaint was that Marino had a low realease, never bringing the ball over his head. There were a lot of concerns that he would have problems with batted passes and INTs.

I can’t tell you how many great NFL QBs have had questions about their delivery coming out of college. Tebow will have to adjust to the faster NFL game, but so does everyone, including guys like Elway and Montana. It’s a lot faster game and requires adjusments. I’m making no bets on Tebow one way or the other.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields

by Big Chief on Jan 30, 2010 10:21 AM CST reply actions  

but didnt marino own the nfl's interception record?

until a recent “cowboy” passer decided to take it away from him in glorious fashion?

by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 30, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Tebow will be ruined if he has to start in his first year

He needs to go to a team with an established quarterback that he can backup for a handful of years. During that time he needs to learn how to be an NFL QB

What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left.

by Aperture on Jan 30, 2010 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

If he's there late, then i would take him and drop Guiterezz or whatever his name is.

He had some concussions this last season too, right? So yeah, he’s got alot against him, but i do think he is a winner.

by Sea of RED on Jan 30, 2010 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

A thought

Given all the objections to him, I wonder if the Bills could take him? I sounds like he would flourish in an offense like the one designed around Tyler Thigpen (pistol formation, spread offense, nice running options, possible WR conversion).

I don’ see us taking him unless we love his christian boy attitude, but I can see Chan taking a shot in the 2nd or 3rd round on him. Hell, he doesn’t have a great stale of QBs. What does he have to lose?

by bas on Jan 30, 2010 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

:Don't" and "stable"

need to be inserted for my spelling errors.

by bas on Jan 30, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I could see that happening.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Jan 30, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Love Tebow

But where are the beating a dead horse pics?

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Jan 30, 2010 10:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Matt, remember: it;'s all because you asked for it

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by upamtn on Jan 30, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

There are about two or three other places in this article that could use this reminder. Yikes.

Just my opinion though…

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Jan 30, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

yup

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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by upamtn on Jan 30, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Not article…comments. In the COMMENTS. The article is perfectly fine.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

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by go_saleaumua on Jan 30, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I know what you're on, Bro, and agree

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by upamtn on Jan 30, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

tebow

tebow has the slowest releases I’ve seen in a long time, if any thing i would move him to WR.

by fujirio on Jan 30, 2010 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

Tebow is obnoxious

If you are not a Christian, then his little antics like the scripture under his eyes get old quick. However, as a QB, I do not even see him as a Thigpen type QB because Thigpen scrambled more (like Steve Young) while Tebow just lunges his fullback body into the defense. I would much rather have Croyle and his brittle body as a backup then Tebow. If you want a good motovationall speaker, then hire one, don’t draft one.

by ChiefsNfl on Jan 30, 2010 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

+1

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Jan 30, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Kurt Warner is a devout Christian and Noone calls him obnoxious.

Not true…I call Warner obnoxious…a supernatural deity doesn’t care if you just threw a TD pass Kurt.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 30, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Warner is obnoxious ...

… Favre, on the other hand …

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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by upamtn on Jan 30, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Sometimes its beter to have that motivational speaker IN the huddle :)

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Jan 30, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice article

However based on the content, the title should read “Why Tebow will have to work his ass off to be a great NFL QB”.
One thing no one has questioned is his work ethic. The fact he works harder than anyone else, why do people doubt he can work on or improve his mechanics. If Jamarcus had these “poor” mechanics, Id be worried. Give him a good QB coach and I have zero doubt he’ll succeed. (In a year or two)

I’d like to address your points

Exhibit A – Tebow Is A System Quarterback

So? He was more successful in that system in college that anyone has ever been in any other system. Will his talents translate to a “prototypical” NFL offense? Maybe, maybe not. But with a talent like his, build and offense around him utilizing his stengths, and not try to ram a square peg in a round hole. Look how offenses are evolving in the NFL, why not be the leader, instead of the follower

Exhibit B – Tebow Can’t Take A Snap From Under Center

Another argument I get tired of. He HASN’T. Doesn’t mean he can’t. Apparently he struggled the first couple days of senior bowl practice with this. I’m sure Wayne Gretzky couldn’t skate the first time he tried, and he turned out pretty good. All I’m saying is, give him time and don’t rush to say what he can’t do, simply because he hasn’t. While we are on snaps from centre…how many times in the past couple year did Tom Brady or Kurt Warner take a snap from centre? All I’m saying is, the offfenses are evolving.

Exhibit C – Tebow Has A Very Poor Throwing Motion

So do maaaaany successful NFL QB’s. I’ve mentioned Phil Rivers, VY, and even Johnnie Unitis, and someone also volunteered Bernie Kosar’s name as another qB who was successful with “poor throwing motion” Again, with Tebow’s attitude, work ethic, and love of the game and drive to win, he’ll correct what needs correcting.

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by craig in calgary on Jan 30, 2010 10:58 AM CST reply actions  

+1

It’s funny. The only actual arguments against his success are all things that are extremely coachable. Whats not coachable is intelligence, work ethic, natural physical skill(in this situation dominant physical skill), leadership and determination, none of which Tebow lacks.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jan 30, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

ALL QBs are SYSTEM QBs

That’s one reason I wouldn’t bet either way about Tebow. So much of a QBs success in the NFL seems to depend on where he goes. What if Montana had gone to the Saints or Cardinals instead of the 49ers? I honestly don’t think he’d be in the HOF. In fact, of the starting QBs today the only one I think would be successful regardless of where he went is Peyton. He’s the only that I think has the abilities that would allow him to succeed in any system on any team. The only other “can’t miss” QB I can think of in recent times is Elway. And both of these guys required that teams be patient enough to let them learn, something that’s not a given in the NFL.

Tebow’s success, like 99.9% of NFL QBs, will depend on going to a team where he can fit and get an opportunity to learn the game. That’s not something that’s certain to happen regardless of who picks him.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields

by Big Chief on Jan 30, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand your thought process...
He was more successful in that system in college that anyone has ever been in any other system

Source? Are we talking about wins? Championships? Yards? Touchdowns? Sacks? Completion %? What’s your basis for presenting that as a statement of fact?

He HASN’T. Doesn’t mean he can’t

It doesn’t mean he can either. All signs point to a guy that is extremely rough in the area’s of NFL readiness. Maybe he can do it, but he’s certainly not ‘top round’ talent comming out. I’d agree with ChiefDJ and you if you said he has the potential to someday develop into a top tier QB talent based on his work ethic, but I wouldn’t waste a top round pick on the guy because he simply doens’t have ‘it’ right now. Even the great ‘Tom Brady’ was lucky to be drafted in tht 6th round. Intangibles are nice. They may be the ‘hardest’ thing to find, but you don’t draft a player that have ‘intangibles’ and nothing else HOPING he will develop some day. You have to start by finding players that have the tangibles and sift through all of THOSE guys to find the player that has the ‘extras’ ADDED TO them; not the other way around.

I’ve mentioned Phil Rivers, VY, and even Johnnie Unitis, and someone also volunteered Bernie Kosar’s name as another qB who was successful with "poor throwing motion

That was me that mentioned Bernie Kosar. However, I used Bernie Kosar ONLY to highlight that ‘throwing motion’ is not something that is often ever FIXED through coaching. I was trying to illustrate that a player could have a less than perfect throwing motion and still succeed given good footwork, superior football intelligence, pocket presence, defensive reading, and yes character. Kosar WOULD have been the #1 overall pick in the draft (2 teams traded picks to second overall and then first in an attempt to put themselves in a position to get him). He wanted to play for Cleveland, so he elected to NOT declare and enter the supplimental draft in order to facilitate that desire. The whole process was a disaster that went to legal procedings/arbitration before it was ever resolved.

Kosar is a good example of a QB with ALL the right parts EXCEPT throwing mechanics that had impact in the NFL. But he already had all the other pieces (or most of them) that Tebow lacks.

Again, I’m not saying that Tebow doesn’t someday make it in the NFL, but he’s closer to a ‘longshot’ than he is a ‘sure thing’ and it’s highly unlikely he will significantly improve his throwing mechanics (small chages, not an overhaul) through coaching. Almost no one ever does. Footwork and decision making can be fixed. They are the things that QB coaches most often focus on for areas of improvement. Bernie Kosar is a fine example to show that ‘once a funky sidearm thrower’ ALWAYS ‘a funky sidearm thrower’. I would not count on someone being able to overhaul Tebow, or anyone else’s, throwing mechanics. Slight improvements are all we can hope for.

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by Texas Chief on Jan 30, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

We could do the Blockquote dance all day

Lets just both agree, that he’s still a ways away and will need to surround himself with good people and good coaches. I’ll a little more bullish than others on AP but even I’ll concede the fact he won’t be successful September 2010 in the NFL. Wherever he is I’ll be rooting for him.

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by craig in calgary on Jan 30, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

craig, you got it right here

Tebow has a long ways to go … if he gets into a good place with good coaches and other players and has time to lern and grow and develop, he could be good

if not, he won’t

(wonder how many GM’s look at him as possible WR)

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by upamtn on Jan 30, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Craig

Believe it or not, there are many people who don’t watch a lot of collge football and don’t know what the big deal is. Its frequently asked here by such people why he won’t succeed in the NFL if he is such a great player.

My purpose was to present evidence where people could see for themselves via the video clips and such why people say that.

Yeah, all three of those points can be corrected OVER TIME. He is not going to come in in year one or two and be a starter as you would expect out of a first or second round pick. It is likely going to take him several years to correct his deficiencies.

As for your points:

Exhibit A – The problem with Tebow is that what makes him a great college QB is his running ability. In the NFL that running ability is likely going to get him hurt and knocked out of games. Tebow is not a Michael Vick fast runner. He is not particularly quick. In college his size allowed him to take hits. In the NFL, I think he would be extremely injury prone if they tried to build the offense around his skills as was done in Florida.

Exhibit B – Again, I was not saying that Tebow could never take a snap from under center. But it is going to take him time to learn to do it and read defenses during the dropback.

Exhibit C – Yes, I always hear Phillip Rivers and Kosar when people talk about Tebows throwing motion. The difference again is that Rivers and Kosar were natural pocket passers and once their technique was corrected, they were good QBs. You could correct Tebows throwing motion (again over time), but he STILL would not be a natural passer. He is a runner that can pass on occassion.

by ChiefDJ on Jan 30, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not even a Tebow fan...

But for anyone to think he won’t find success in some capacity in the NFL is ludicrous. This guy dominated football in high school and dominated in college possibly as the best college football player in history.

This guy is a football player and is ridiculously physically gifted. Does he have work to put in to be a prototypical QB? Yes. But the kid is smart and clearly is able to learn and is focus. He loves to play the game, has a great attitude and seems to be ready to take on the challenge. He’s exactly what the Chiefs staff look for in players. He’s a true football player.

I imagine these types of posts will come up all the way up until the draft but for the large part no one is giving credit to Tebow for what he but rather what he MIGHT not end up being. Even in the replies here people are taking shots at his faith, this is how ridiculous the criticisms are of the kid.

Find as many reasons as you want that he will fail but Tebow is a real football player and a phenomenal talent and will find his place in the NFL.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jan 30, 2010 11:04 AM CST reply actions  

i dont want tebow but who ever gets this guy

Could have a good player. All I know is every one is raggin on his mechanics and slow release but they have to remember this guy has god on his side and has incredible work ethic I’m sure he will do what ever it takes to get better and no I’m not saying god can’t hit a curve ball. What I am saying is god has thrown us a curve ball in tim tebow and where ever this guy lands he could b a hit.

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by sexassassin on Jan 30, 2010 11:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Nice article DJ

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Jan 30, 2010 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

You undersell the throwing motion argument.

This is the most valid criticism I see of Tebow. You left out how that arm motion results in a much slower delivery allowing DB’s to anticipate the throw.

It also means he can’t pump fake because any arm motion that doesn’t result in the ball being dipped to his waist will not be respected by NFL caliber defensive players. If you can’t make safeties bite, you can’t be a successful QB in the NFL.

I think he may do okay in the NFL, but the arm motion has to be fixed before he can be suited up in an NFL regular season game.

by WURoyal on Jan 30, 2010 12:06 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not going to say much because

let’s face it, nobody is going to change their opinions on him. His personality and work ethic will not allow him to fail as a QB in this league. It may take a few years but he will be there. The kid has already learned terminology in the main offensive styles in the league so he has a head start wherever he goes. All the failed system qb’s, from what i know, do not have his work ethic and intangibles. And i honestly think religion has ZERO place in the argument when it comes to Tim Tebow.

by RamX21 on Jan 30, 2010 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

I have nothing against Tebow, but I’d love to see him get drafted by the Raiders.

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by JComp11 on Jan 30, 2010 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

the Raiders? then you DO have something against Tebow ...

that’’s like being banished to the fringes of hell … the Raiders? would YOU want to go there?

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by upamtn on Jan 30, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha, it’d be like a war between good and evil. It’d be interesting to see how he’d react in a place like that.

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by JComp11 on Jan 30, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

you realize that sounds like some sort of SciFi Apocolypse Epic Moive in the making ...

… Will Smith as JaMarcus Russell … Brad Pitt as Tebow … Xhibit as Seymour … Christopher Walken as Al Davis …

this could be fun, the Black Hole melting into the center of the earth …

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by upamtn on Jan 30, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha! That sounds amazing actually.

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by JComp11 on Jan 30, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I just wanted to post this
Tim Tebow of Florida was a non-factor. His scrambles didn’t work against the elite speed of Schwartz’s defense, and Tebow refused to throw down field. Tebow also fumbled twice, losing one, and managed just 50 yards on 8-of-12 passing. He gained four yards on four carries.

So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.

by IISaiNtII on Jan 30, 2010 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

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