The Chiefs Should Trade Out of the #5 Spot If Possible
by Matt Conner on Jan 29, 2010 2:41 PM CST
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PrintOl' number five. There's many reasons to not like this pick and it seems that two drafts in a row, the Chiefs are stuck in a position on draft day that is less than ideal given the talent available and the position they are forced to be within. At least in my view, the Chiefs are in a poor position in regards to the first round of this year's draft.
The reason: all of the guys worth picking at the top will be long gone. In particular, I'm speaking about Tennessee safety Eric Berry and disruptive defensive tackles like Gerald McCoy from Oklahoma and Ndamukong Suh from Nebraska. All three should be gone (hopefully not) by the time the Chiefs pick. Each is an absolute game-changing force on the defensive side, which is EXACTLY what's needed in Kansas City. After that, you're left with talent better served a bit later in the draft (even just a few spots) that the Chiefs will have to "reach" for in case they are stuck here.
There's no "absolutely have to have this offensive tackle" in this year's draft - someone like a Joe Thomas. Every pass rusher seems to have some question mark on or off the field. The top cornerback, Joe Haden, would be a nice choice, but it's not the greatest position of need for the Chiefs. USC safety Taylor Mays isn't grading nearly as high to warrant a pick here. And the offensive skill position players just don't merit a choice here either - even if players like C.J. Spiller or Dez Bryant are impressive to watch.
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Many are also talking up Alabama linebacker Rolando McClain, and with good reason. The man is a player/coach who plays intelligent football for all 60 minutes and is an absolute force to deal with in the middle. Yet last year's draft showed us just how available linebackers are in the later rounds with several rookie linebackers having success, including James Laurinaitis, Rey Maualuga, DeAndre Levy, etc.
Of course, all of this could change if a trade comes calling. Quarterback needy teams like Seattle, San Francisco, Cleveland and Buffalo could all make our day and allow us to move down a few spots in case any of these teams are in love with a guy like Casey Claussen, Sam Bradford, et al. And in that case, it would be a Mark Sanchez-like move from last year's draft where the Chiefs pick up better positioning and another pick (or two) to make it work. Here's hoping Scott Pioli creates a moving video complete with Daughtry music and memories of "picking a rookie at #5 takes you to the conference championship" sort of montage.
Of course, any choice here will help the Chiefs. But that's the case with anyone picking this high. It's frustrating to not be able to guarantee an absolute force on defense, so hopefully the Chiefs can trade down a few spots and still find an addition like LB Rolando McClain. In this process, the Chiefs not only get a great young player, but also maximize the value of the #5 pick in the draft.
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I would be shocked if we trade out IMO
There isn’t anyone there to trade for. Other than the aforementioned top 3 —-the QBs and other players will probably fall to the teams that need them. I’ve seen stranger things happen though. I would definitely love to see a trade out of the pick as well, but I don’t see it happening….again.
The only chance is if Claussen and/or Bradford are available
And it only works for us since Seattle and Washington are behind us, two teams that are likely to draft a quarterback given the opportunity.
It would be nice to be able to trade down, but I think it’s unrealistic to hold much hope that we will trade down. I feel like EVERY team wants to trade down, but simply cant get their value out of the other picks.
It's possible someone would trade up for Berry or Okung also
Seattle will be looking for a QB, a LT and a Safety in the draft so someone behind them could be willing to trade ahead of them. It wouldn’t cost another team much to trade from the 7-10 pick up to #5.
Predictions:
This year will be better
spikes at 5
Get nasty
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by sexassassin on Jan 29, 2010 5:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I can agree
There’s no “absolutely have to have this offensive tackle” in this year’s draft
and change it to, “Theres no absolutely have to have any position in this year’s draft”
I think this draft is full of very good to great players with a lot of potential. Trading down is the best possible thing to do, IMHO. But for goodness sake, do it before draft day to calm my nerves!
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Agreed. It’s one of those drafts where a rise in quantity doesn’t necessarily mean a drop in quality. I hope Pioli does everything possible to pile up the picks to get more of those players with all of this potential.
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SUH!
I disagree, Suh is incredibly dominant, now we already have 2 first round DTs and Suh isn’t big enough to play NT so he doesn’t really work for us. But he is a must have DT, we just don’t need one, and if you think Tyson Jackson isn’t good enough, then well I can just say that the odds of us carrying 3 high first round DTs is kind of hard to swallow.
I entirely disagree
Suh, McCoy, Berry, McClain, and several other guys are must-haves. I think we need to wait until after the combine to really start crossing the top guys off that list.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 30, 2010 8:16 AM CST up reply actions
You can't just say lets trade this pick
It’s the #5 pick in the draft folks, people don’t just trade out of these high picks easily. We had this same discussion last year, and we heard the same thing. Other teams are not gonna give you fair market value for these high end picks, so buckle up and get ready because unless some foolhardy team comes up with a can’t miss deal it ain’t gonna happen.
last year's #5 was traded
and we received trade offers at #5 the year before last but we apparently wanted dorsey more.
I agree, thats why the post ends in "if possible"
I’d be happy with a trade down to the low to mid teens for just the 1st round and one 2nd round, which is below fair market value.
Ummm....
The Saints offered us a trade from 5th pick to 10th pick for dosey. In exchange the 1st (10th) and 2nd (42 ish) in 2008 and the 1st (fell about middle first) in 09. Oh and yah last years 5th was traded too. So to summarize…you CAN trade out ouf 5th pick its 3rd pick thats really tricky 3rd.
And on that note, I think we should ABSOLUTELY take Berry if he falls to us at 5th. This team needs a superhero. And seeing as how we traded our superhero to the falcons he will be a nice replacement. Oh, and this superhero cant be a crutch to crappy QB’s and receivers.
If Berry is gone, and Okung falls to us, and we can trade down……..take the trade down
by MasterBlaster7 on Jan 29, 2010 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Haden's not really one of those top-five corners.
To be that early, a guy should be a Woodson or Bailey. He’s well short of that.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 30, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
I would assume there is 1 or 2 guys we will really want, if both are gone, we may move down on a discounted trade price....
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
You can trade out of the #5 spot and I think they will
They tried to last year but 3 was too high and Pioli likes gathering picks. I see them trading down twice and going for a Dan Williams or Earl Thomas
And there might be a rookie wage scale in place
which will make trading down for fair value even easier
Predictions:
This year will be better
true. This appears likely
At least based on what we know now. Additionally, Chiefs probably won’t luck-out with a top 3 not taken by the fifth.
100% agree
This is the perfect scenario in my mind, we trade down twice, and end up with a low first rounder maybe our NT. Then we have 4, count ‘em 4 2nd round picks in what is supposedly a very deep draft. May not be possible but I can dream can’t I.
trade downs for tons of picks in the 2nd are over rated........
If we got Berry……..then traded our two 2nds for Wilfork……I will be estatic!
name me 4 players in the 2nd that would beat this combo. 2 hall of famers really
by MasterBlaster7 on Jan 29, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
You still
have to have guys surrounding those superstars. Don’t get me wrong, I like getting the “allstar” as much as anyone else, but Pioli builds a balanced team that creates superstars, because you can’t take coverage off of anyone. If we had 3 picks in the 2nd we could address more needs.
Yah...
thats a difference in philosophies really. The way I see it, we are at least 3 years away from superbowl contention. I like the idea of planing 2 drafts ahead instead of just 1.
Also, if you can get 2 solid starters out of a draft…thats a good draft. In 08 we got 5 solid starters out of one draft….thats almost worth two and a half drafts.
The way I see it geting Berry and Wilfork would give us 2 solid starters….the rest is just bonus…my money is on Ciron Black RT in the 3rd and Petrus G in the 4th. I am also looking ahead to 2011 draft for O’dowd C or Wizinwiski C.
Point being. That when you start to put your pieces in place and start planning a few years into the future those cant miss prospects start to look really good.
And as far as Pioli loving the trade down and 2nd round pick fanaticism…consider this….we took a starter and two second stringers for the first day of the draft. That was pure Pioli. I dont think taking two Future Hall of Famers on the first day of the draft is that much of a stretch for him. I guess I did kinda leave out Castle and Vrable…but that just lends more credence to my Wiflork trade argument.
Let the draft geniuses figure out to do with our (3) 5ths and 6th….if they can get a player or two outa those picks ill be impressed
by MasterBlaster7 on Jan 29, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
wisniski and odowd stayed in college
Walton is the center I want, or tennant
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by stagdsp on Jan 30, 2010 8:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
4 players that would beat Berry and Wilfork in improving our team in the 2nd? Challenge accpeted!
1st pick- WR- Golden Tate
2nd pick FS- Nate Allen
3rd pick OLB- Eric Norwood
4th pick C- J.D. Walton
Hmm lets plug 2 holes in our first 2 rounds or we could secure our center, slot receiver, safety, OLB, and ILB positions all in the 2nd round alone. (ILB position because putting Norwood starting LOLB would allow Vrabel to slide inside and start at Mays’ spot.)
Oh yeah and then we have our late first rounder still and we could pick up Dan Williams, Terrence Cody or Mike Iupati and be so much better than just getting Wilfork and Berry.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Jan 29, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
I gota bookmark this post....
cause I wana come back this time next year and compare Barry and Wilfork to the production of Tate, Allen, Norwood, and Walton
by MasterBlaster7 on Jan 29, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
It would actually be Tate, Allen, Norwood, Walton and our first round pick whoever that would be let's go with Dan Williams
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Jan 30, 2010 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
After one year?
Yeah, that’s how we should grade draft picks. Definitely.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 30, 2010 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
Not bad.
We have to fill our 2 biggest holes, Center and NT, so you take care of that. I’d prefer a ILB to an OLB just because I want to give Studebaker another year under Vrable to develop. This may just be me being a fan of the guy though. I’d also throw out the idea of taking Wetherspoon with the 1st pick instead of Tate then maybe Shipley with the 3rd, but all in all I agree.
2 hall of famers?
I know there is a lot of drooling over Berry, but hall of famer, really? This is a man who has never played a snap in the NFL. He could have a career ending injury his first season or before he ever gets to make that first NFL snap. There is no such thing as a sure thing in the draft.
Issue
Need a trade partner. Who is worth trading up for? No one, b/c if there is someone there (Suh or Berry), we will draft him.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
Bingo!
No one below us feels nervous enough about not getting what they want out of this draft.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Jan 29, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
going down
ahhh…another soul crying out in the wilderness. I, too, hope Peoli ignores that stupid “Value chart” teams now use to guage the value of a certain pick, & compute trade value for that choice. If we can get a later 1st, a 2nd, & maybe a 4th, jump on it, Scott!
a 1,2 and 4 ?
Heck yeah, take it and run
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by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 3:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I meant "do you really think a team would give that up" serious
I just see it as unrealistic
It depends on how far down in the 1st
I don’t think there’s any question that Indianapolis would readily trade their 1st, 2nd, and 4th to KC for the #5 overall. I think KC would be the side that wouldn’t want that. The trick is finding a draft slot somewhere a lot closer to #5 that would garner such a return.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 30, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
Me personally
I still wouldn’t mind the big left guard for Ok State. Then move Albert over and we have our 2 bookend tackles for years to come.
except Albert isnt best suited for RT
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by stagdsp on Jan 30, 2010 8:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
My take exactly
Happens every year but who does or better yet who get a deal that they can’t refuse for the pick?
The return:
To acquire Sanchez, the Jets traded their first- and second-round choices (17 and 52), plus three marginal players – defensive end Kenyon Coleman, quarterback Brett Ratliff and safety Abram Elam.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 30, 2010 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
I love
How everyone acts like we can just trade out of that pick if we want to. Someone has to be willing to trade with you.
by raiderhater77 on Jan 29, 2010 3:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions
We will trade down if
The draft goes like this:
Rams-Suh
Lions-McCoy
Bucs-Berry
Redskins-Okung
We trade down to #9 with Buafflo and grab their #41!
by 102win on Jan 29, 2010 3:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
beautiful
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
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by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 3:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd like to see it
But still think the probability is low. Buffalo would keep us in range for McClain, which would be great. But they would have to have a pretty strong preference for one of the two QB’s in that scenario, and need to get ahead of Seattle.
Also, given the depth of this draft throughout Round 2, I doubt that they would give up a #2 to move up three spots from 9th to 6th. Probably have to settle for less compensation in 2010, IMHO.
Sounds great.
Let’s hope it happens!
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by Scaryclouds on Jan 29, 2010 3:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
that is a nightmare scenerio if we cant trade down.....
But I have a really really really really hard time thinking that horse face will not take a QB in his new tenure with the skins. New regiems mean new QB’s. I hope its Bradford……Horse face, an American Indian QB, on the redskins. Priceless.
by MasterBlaster7 on Jan 29, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
John Elway is coaching in Washington?
by burntorangehorn on Jan 30, 2010 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
no
but his illegitimate father/lover is.
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Ah.
Ratface, then.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 30, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
why is every one pulling off their hair over the #5 pick and talking about trading down. How about we just have another solid draft.
Well-
we need extra picks, and if the guy we want is their @ #9 we get a free high level player!!!
wait... what? when did the #9 slot turn into a free pick?
Keep the 5 and take Berry (no way he’s still there at 5 but if he is, fucking jump on him) or McClain. Problem solved.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
I may be alone
but I think he might be there. Alot of people balk at taking a safety so high. No matter how good he is.
You're not alone
It’s rare that a safety draws enough value to be a top-ten, let alone top-five, pick. I think only Sean Taylor and LaRon Landry were top-six in the past decade. Berry is a different type of safety than either of those two guys. He’s not as highly valued for being a physical freak with all the measurables. For that, there’s Taylor Mays. But Berry and Earl Thomas are more like Ed Reed.
That said, I think Berry has enough physical presence, and is not so terribly undersized, that he is likely to be a top-five pick. Earl Thomas is more likely a mid-first.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 30, 2010 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
i agree, and look what they said about Dorsey
best player in the draft and he was there at 5 plus DT is a much more high pick pos than S
And...
I really like Eric Berry but I can almost guarantee he is available when we select AND we will probably pass on him. I keep seeing him called “game-changing safety”. Tenessee went 7-6 last year (I think). Which game did he change? I think they beat South Carolina and Georgia. Doubt either team was ranked. Basically,, I just want to prepare people for the Chiefs to probably pass on him and dont expect anyone to trade up for him. Our best chance for a trade involves teh 2 qb prospects. If Clausen and/or Bradford are available at #5 THEN we will receive calls for a trade. I’m not sure we can trade with Bills now with Chan Gailey probably not interested in working with the Chiefs in a trade. But I do believe picks #6 – #10 may need qbs. QB’s drive the league ladies and gents.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
I agree that QB's drive the league
I can see some teams out there with needs, both for current starters (Will Arizona be happy with Leinert or go get someone else? Ditto Seattle and Hasselboy) and for QB’s to develop (Washington may stick with Campbell for another year, but will the jump on Bradford to have the young guy waiting in the wings and ready to go in 2011 or 2012?). I just don’t know if any will feel enough need to move up to the sixth slot.
Re Gailey and Buffalo: I guess if he sees an advantage to moving up, it would be self-defeating to let any leftover bitterness from his KC experience prevent him from making a deal.
I totally agree
When are people at his position taken so high?
how many more picks do we need, the way some of you are talking like like you want a new team out of this draft.
I this draft?
A lot! Next years draft is going to be pretty thin.
Plus like many of the top NFL people say “you build a team through the draft.” Loteasuer to accomplish when you have more high value picks.
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by Scaryclouds on Jan 29, 2010 4:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thing is
we’re not the only team in the league that understands how deep this draft is and how slim next year’s will probably be. Everyone is trying to stockpile picks at once because everyone knows this is a bumper crop for 2010 and probably the best chance at getting late-round value for years to come.
I don’t know that we’ll see a whole hell of a lot of trades this year due in large part to the obscene depth of the draft, guys that would normally be 2nd rounders could be had as late as the 4th this year and no GM or HC in the league is likely to overlook that fact when considering draft day trade offers.
Just keep the #5 and take Berry if, by some strange sequence of awesomeness he is still on the board at 5, or McClain if Berry is gone. Both should be highly successful in the NFL for years to come and would instantly make an enormous impact on our D.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
You are correct
Deep draft >>> teams reluctant to trade picks in 2nd, 3rd rounds. Everyone wants extra picks in 2nd and 3rd rounds and 4th rounds, no one wants to give them up. Thus, not so many trades, and lower rounds for the ones which do occur.
Lets count 'em
We need a NT and C without doubt
either a OT or a OG depending if the team decides to keep Albert at OT or not.
a RB to compliment Charles
a slot WR
a TE
a OG to work under Waters
a SS
a FS (if you think Page can’t stay healthy)
a CB to compete with Carr
a ILB (2 if you think we’ll trade away Johnson)
a OLB to compete with Studebaker and Vrable
so thats 11 to 13 and we currently have 9. Another 2nd or 2 would go a long way in my opinion.
PS
But I do agree 100%! I would love to trade down! And I’d be happy with grabbing LB McClain or Dez Bryant. If we end up with three @nd rounders, oh boy! Options are endless as this draft is deep. We can walk away with wr, lb, o-lineman, for sure in the top 3-4 picks! Nt and a big rb would be sweet too! My sleeper pick, in the 2nd round is the WR from georgia tech! He’s a beast but their qb sucked monkey balls this yr! Team only completed 80-90 passes, ALL YEAR! His jr year he avg 25 yards per catch and is big too!
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
I'd rather have a Claussen...
than a Clausen
by Ochophosphate on Jan 29, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a Clawson
does that help?
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
I predict the Chiefs trade down from the number 5 pick.
I agree
Best case scenario would be to nab Berry, or Suh, but they’ll be gone. Second best scenario would be to trade down and still get someone like McClain, or one of the OT’s.
I think there are a couple scenarios that could play out that would allow us to trade down
and the both involve quarterbacks. It’s pretty obvious that Washington, Seattle and Buffalo need quarterbacks. Then there are teams that could probably use a new quarterback which include the Browns, Raiders, 49ers and possibly the Vikings (even though I think Jackson is a fine NFL QB).
Scenario 1 is Washington takes a QB, probably Bradford, and leaves Clausen on the board. Seattle picks behind us at 6 and is a lock to take him. If any of those teams feel that he’s head and shoulders above the other QB’s in this draft, they would make a move to snatch him from Seattle.
Scenario 2 is that Washington shockingly passes on a quarterback and leaves both Clausen and Bradford on the board. If one team has Bradford or Clausen pegged as their QB of the future and is worried about the Seahawks grabbing them, they could gain leap past Seattle and get their guy.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the 49ers make this type of move given that they have 2 first rounders (13 & 17). I also wouldn’t be shocked if Gailey made this move in Buffalo given his connection to the Chiefs (even with the way it ended)
by aasukisuki on Jan 29, 2010 4:08 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
A trade is not out of the question.
I don’t think it would happen like you expect though. I believe trades involve a player more than picks anymore. I think it would be with a team that was looking for one guy to get them to the next level and had someone we wanted to trade for. Nobody gives up 2-3 picks to move up much anymore. I really don’t think Pioli is sweating it. There is still free agency to get through and that will change the entire draft scenario.
Personally, I think GM’s get hung up on the whole “value” chart they use when trading picks. If you get the guys you want, do you really care about the value? If we traded out of 5 and didn’t get what the “chart” said we should, but we still filled our needs, would anyone care?
Another day, another dollar
What are they paying you, Matt? First the Tebow post and now this groundbreaking piece of work. You think we should trade out of the #5 spot, huh? Simply brilliant.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 29, 2010 4:33 PM CST reply actions
Right out the gate
I had 1 disagreement. Gerald McCoy and Suh will not be immediate impact players in the NFL. It doesnt happen. Who was the last DT to come into the league and be a big time impact player?
BUT, aside form that, I agree with the rest. I wouldnt draft Suh or McCoy even if they did fall to us. Both guys would just be a 3-4 DE which we have. We have Dorsey and Jackson..why would we want to replace one of them? Theyre both young, Dorsey made a big improvement from his rookie year to sophomore year even though he was playing a different position in a different scheme. Idk. I’m just not a fan of upgrading a position that doesnt necessarily need upgrading. Only position on our DL we should be drafting that soon is NT and there isnt a top NT available..so move on to the next need.
Next need could be between OL and S. Well..I agree again..there is no elite LT in this draft. I’ve read reports that Okung would be great, and also read reports that said he’d go back to RT in the NFL. And if he were in recent drafts instead of this year, he’d be no more than a mid-to-late 1st rounder.
The other issue I have with drafting a LT 1st is..Albert had a very good rookie year, had a rough start, but got better, especially after the Chiefs started doing more zone blocking. Albert gave up just 1 sack over the final 5 games. The real needs are C and RG. O’Call handled himself much better than any other RT has for us in the last few years.
To me, the only player worth drafting at #5 is Eric Berry. Because none of our top needs have a top player in that position, other than Safety. And if he’s gone, I honestly wouldnt mind taking McClain
Honestly, the best scenario I can come up with, is the Chiefs trade down, pick up a 2nd round pick, draft Mike Lupati, get Rolle with 1 of the 2nd round picks, and a NT with another. Then the 3rd 2nd rounder could be a C, a WR, a MLB..and probably be a starter. However, if we get a 3rd instead of a 2nd, I’d just get Rolle and a NT. And draft by a combo of need and bpa the rest of the draft.
To add on to my first question..
as a rookie. Who was the last DT who came into the NFL and was immediately an impact player. I mean Dorsey was drawing comparisions to Sapp..we saw how his rookie season went. Not bad..but far from great. Sapp himself didnt have a great first year. He just looked alright on paper because he had 4 sacks.
Didn't Kevin Williams have massive pat williams next to him in his prime?
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Jan 30, 2010 3:34 AM CST up reply actions
Ngata
Although he was moved out to end in the 3-4. Ditto for Ty Warren and a number of others.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 30, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
Rolle
Is projected 4th to 5th. To take him with our 2nd would be a waste.
by BiiG_C on Jan 29, 2010 10:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well
Until now, I thought he was a 2nd rounder. I had seen several Mocks a couple weeks ago with Rolle going in the 2nd round. Personally, I think the guy was damn good in college and his stock slipped because he took a year off football. I think he’ll be fine..young dudes are able to get back into good shape quicker, especially if he stayed in shape while at school, which I’m sure he did.
I’m lookin at newer mocks now and I see hes now a 4th rounder..honestly..I think he’ll pick his stock up. We’ll see what it looks like come draft time. But my point is essentially the same. Nate Allens a good coverage guy too I believe. I just think its too soon to say Albert cant play LT, which I completely disagree with.
Its important to keep in mind too..alot can happen between now and then. Suh could pull a hamstring at the combine. trades will be made, prospects stocks will rise and fall..and I think that IF a QB is taken in the top 5, KC has a decent chance of landing Berry anyway.
good thoughts, petey
This is a pretty deep draft for safeties, so Rolle should slide into the 4th at least, I think. If not, kam chancellor should…
And I do like nate allen a lot…he would be a great option at fs, if they don’t take berry.
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by stagdsp on Jan 30, 2010 8:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Excellent as always Petey :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
all this talk of suh not being a nt
But on 3rd down he could slide to nose. If only there was a 2 down nt available in the 2nd round. Oh wait…
by BJ Kissel on Jan 29, 2010 6:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
are you seriously suggesting that KC could...
Draft Suh and Cody?
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by stagdsp on Jan 30, 2010 8:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah
We could use a 6 man rotation, we are 2 shy now
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Send Dorsey to Tampa, after we sign Seymour. we could get Tampa’s two 2nd rounders
not gonna happen
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
by stagdsp on Jan 30, 2010 8:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's simple, we swap 1st rounders with Denver for Brandon Marshall
And we start putting points on the scoreboard every week. Don’t know if Denver would accept that, they’d probably want more picks. But it’d be sweet as hell!
What about
the fact that our other safety, who was pretty decent, comes back off of IR? Then that position is not as glaring of a need. I havn’t seen this mentioned, but maybe I missed it.
My opinion is unless somehow suh or mccoy fall try to trade out 1st…. If berry is there and no trade down happens I say run them both berry is uber talented and I wouldn’t doubt he could man any secondary pos better than any of our players who don’t have the last name flowers.
My draft nightmare is suh,mccoy,berry are gone and we can’t find a partner.. I’d say go mcclain he makes the biggest upgrade for us just seems a bit high for a player to potentially be playing behind a rookie NT.
All this being said scott will probably make us pull out our hair on draft day with someone we aren’t looking at
by karkz86 on Jan 30, 2010 12:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
not sure Marshall fits the right 53
Gunther reportedly would like to get Dorsey. Trade up for suh? Pick up a 3rd also. Swap Dorsey and suh and get an extra 3rd. Detroit gets Dorsey and their left tackle with the 5th pick.
by BJ Kissel on Jan 29, 2010 10:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Trading Partners
I think #5 is a good position b/c there is a big dropoff in the QB class this year from Bradford and Claussen. And with everyone declaring this year except Locker now is the time to get a qb if you need one. If we trade with Seattle who would have the 4 and 5 pick to get the people they want we would move to 14 and give us a 2nd and third using the trade value chart. http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php. I think that would be a good bet. And the fact that cleveland, buffalo, jax and san fran all pick ahead of seattle could warrant them to pull the trigger. That may get a little expensive so I also consider san fran a good partner b/c they have 2 first rounders also. Buffalo now has chan gailey and I think he will want to get a qb in there quick especially with Mr. Wilson wanting an offense powered team b/c defense didn’t work too well for him. Can’t wait for 2 years to find a good qb.
success of recent qbs
Success. Of matt ryan (payoffs first year), flacco(playoffs both yrs) and now sanchez (playoffs his only year) will influence teams to make a move if either clausen or bradford are available after the redskins selection. Draft could very well go…suh, mccoy, okung
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Jan 29, 2010 10:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I Like
how you have McClain as last in your top choices. If anything he should be first. Sure LBs will fall, but last year they fell because there was a lot of quality depth at the position. Brandon Spikes might fall to our pick but after that which ILB can you think that be worth a 2nd rounder. Daryl Washington is one guy maybe but he’s to small to play our 3-4 iLB, small guys seem to have success lately but I’d rather take the player/coach/QBOD then a later guy who might not prove to be a good match.
by Green-Monster on Jan 30, 2010 8:03 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2010 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Think outside the box
Any pick, realistically, is not going to return the Chiefs to being a playoff caliber team in 2010. That said, if they’re stuck at #5, take a CJ Spiller or even their top rated QB, like a Bradford. This is a team in transtional building mode and seldom does the chance to get an impact player come along.
Why Bradford? Is anyone besides me NOT sold on Cassel being the ultimate answer at QB? Why Spiller? Pairing him with Charles could give the Chiefs the most dynamic 1-2 punches at RB in the entire league. Anyway, while all this is fanciful, I’ll still be okay with McClain, even without a trade down.
by The1ThunderChief on Jan 30, 2010 8:22 AM CST reply actions
definately "outside the box there"
But, I would put you back in the box and seal it w some extra shipping tape.
NO qb or rb in round 1. That’d be a HUGE mistake, and WAY out of character for pioli
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
by stagdsp on Jan 30, 2010 8:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Echo stagdsp
And add that even if KC were looking at a RB early, Spiller shouldn’t be the guy. It’d be better to have someone who could complement Charles, not bring an almost identical skill set.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 30, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
Why if you agree we are not playoff bound in 2010
I would look QB, why not. Croyle will be gone unless we sign him long term
Gut?
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm mot going to guess How
But I do expect the Chiefs to trade down, how far down and for what I won’t even guess at. There is always some team drooling over some draft choice on their board. If one of those teams get scared that they aren’t going to get him from their current position then they will be looking for a trade. As long as it isn’t one of the top four projected picks then KC is the team you want to trade with. As I said I don’t know who and I don’t know how but I do expect the Chiefs to trade down on draft day.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
I predict the Chiefs trade down from the number 5 pick.
re: Spiller outside the box
Drafting Spiller means getting an elite return man as he displayed in college. Think the Chiefs could use some of that?
He’s a blur in the 4.3 40-time range, an excellent citizen with no off-field issues, provides Jamaal Charles injury insurance AND a 2 headed express for defenses to worry over, especially when he could line up in the slot, out in space when both RBs are on the field. In short, the guy is an impact player. Where is it written that two similar type backs couldn’t co-exist and be effective?
Get back to me after his pro day and combine results, then see how you feel.
by The1ThunderChief on Jan 30, 2010 1:10 PM CST reply actions
Agree
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
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