New Fox Mock Draft Has Chiefs Taking Anthony Davis in First Round
Of course, there's a million mock drafts flying around - whether ones made up by our own AP faithful or those on every sports-related blog, site or 'zine available. And thus far, the Chiefs - since they choose in the first five picks - usually are focused on the same players in each draft. But Fox Sports put up a nice mock recently that has the Chiefs selecting some different flavors.
In particular, they have us going offensive line at #5, but not who you think. Instead of the oft-cited Russell Okung from Oklahoma State, they have the Chiefs selecting tackle/behemoth Anthony Davis from Rutgers. The full argument:
"Kansas City's O-line is still a work in progress, and although Oklahoma State's Russell Okung may be the "safer" bet at OT, Davis has unlimited potential. A stud in high school in New Jersey and a mauling presence on the left side of the Rutgers offensive line for the past three seasons, Davis developed into one of the country's top underclassmen in '09. He's more than an imposing presence; at 6-6, 330 lbs -- he's a monster. After a few dominant individual workouts, I look for Davis to leapfrog Okung on draft day boards and end up in Chiefs red. They'll move Branden Albert back to his natural position (guard) or to right tackle and give Davis the keys to Matt Cassel's blind side."
What do you guys think? Do you believe this is possible? And from what you know at this point, would you rather have Okung or Davis?
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I can't vote on this because I haven't seen this Davis kid play but...
It’s nice to know that there may be another viable O-line option to take with such a high pick. Okung seems pretty good but, the spread offense kind of scares me when it comes to O-linemen. I want to have a guy who is a mauler but still athletic enough to zone block.
Rather have McClain over these guys
if Berry is gone.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
by SwimCoach on Jan 29, 2010 1:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather NOT have Cassel getting harassed again in 2010.
I’d rather put more tools around him to see if he can be our guy.
And, McClain isn’t all that impressive, IMO. At least not for a top 5 pick.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel also
holds the ball way to long… which could mean that our WRs can’t get open too… so draft Tate and Barnes to help out. When Cassel got owned, it’s b/c he sat around. Happened in NE too. I wouldn’t always blame the Oline for that.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
Fair enough.
But you can’t really argue that this OL wasn’t really, really bad. In the first 3/4 of the season, it might have been the worst OL I’ve ever seen. I’m not fooled that they got all that much better over the end of the season. IMO, I think that Charles and the zone blocking schemes just masked some of their deficiency. That won’t last forever, and I would really like to see a superior OL like we had through the 90’s and early 2000’s emerge again.
Cassel does hold on a little long, but that can be corrected by getting him more and more familiar with the offensive scheme and WRs. Remember that he filled into NE’s system very well. We’re in the process of building him a system here. Haley and Pioli should get this ironed out and will build an offense that can play to his strengths/weaknesses.
I won’t be surprised nor upset if Okung or Davis is taken 5th overall.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I think it has more to do with
Cassel missing 4 years of learning how to find receivers in College.
The New England O-line gave up a ton of sacks the year Cassel was the starter there that they haven’t given up before or since. And that was with Moss and Welker to throw to.
Cassel can’t have missed all those years of game reps with no consequence.
"And, McClain isn’t all that impressive, IMO. At least not for a top 5 pick"
Agree, far too early for an ILB. Guys like Rey Rey and, hate to admit it, Laurinaitis can be had much later.
Rey Rey and Laurinaitis
are in the draft again? :)
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I thought Rey Rey was in the pokey on a DUI charge.
That and apparently partying with an underage girl.
By underage do you mean under 21 or under 18?
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 29, 2010 4:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The police report said that ...
One girl was 18 and the other was a minor. I’m taking that to mean under 18.
he's in jail for that?
But, not for having his bodyguard kill someone for him??
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-- Yoda
What about
Vladimir Ducasse from UMass, he’s 6-5 336 a 5.40 in the 40, and is projected to go in the 2 or 3rd. They said he has a huge upside, and good feet on the NFL network.
happy to finally
See someone say his natural position is guard not tackle
by Chiefwanka on Jan 29, 2010 1:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I would vote either. You should add that option.
Tackles are generally safe picks… i.e., they’re not as likely to bust. Both of these guys sound like solid prospects, and after current players are moved around and the dust settles, I’d say that we would have a pretty darn good OL if one of these two are selected.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 2:00 PM CST reply actions
Davis.
Maybe we could move him to Nose Tackle. : ) Jeeze 6’6 330lbs. Talk about a monster of a man. Imagine what he would weight if he were to find himself some KC bbq. Watchout!
Cambell and Davis are both much better than Okung..
I would rather have Cambell if we are looking for a great zone blocker.. But, i like davis alot too cause he reminds of Ryan Clady..
I'm just glad to see this:
“They’ll move Branden Albert back to his natural position (guard)…”
At least they know a little about Albert.
Except Guard isn't Alberts natural position
Its just the one he played in college because he was sandwiched between two other top prospects.
He was a LT in High School and would have moved to LT after D’Brickshaw Ferguson left but the coach had Eugene Monroe who was a good up and coming Tackle and decided it would be better to keep continuity on the O-line by not moving Albert.
i still think we r wasting good talent with albert the guy
Is so athletic and he can pull and block down field I say we put him back at guard and let him open holes for charles.
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by sexassassin on Jan 30, 2010 12:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This was a very persuasive article
Initially I like Davis now, I’ll probably want to look into it a bit more though
Given how deep this draft is
and the potential of paying yet another top 5 pick big money, I’m wondering if its best that KC trades down and gets more picks.
Albert should be moved to RT..
O call gave up 2nd most sakes by a right tackle in the NFL.. I thought he was doing well but, it looks like he was just an upgrade over Mcintrash and Richardson..
He only started like 8 games..
Are you sure those figures are accurate on O'Call?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
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According to Stats Inc
O’Call started 12 games for us and only gave up 4 sacks
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7885&team=12
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
I'm sure.. I've looked at a few sites..
But i think that its also the RGs fault by being so weak all year..
disagree
O’call is fine, as is Albert
I won’t cry if they get “upgraded”… but it isn’t a top-5-pick priority.
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 2:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't see and "upgrade" for Albert in this draft.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
yeah, i am questioning whether there is or not
I would like a guy like john jerry in the 4th… he could be RG or RT… if he beats out O’Call, O’Call becomes a GREAT swing OT.
Or, Jerry starts at RG…
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 2:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I still believe that Center is the biggest need on our line.
Fix that and everything else will be fine. I wouldn’t want more than one rookie starting anyway.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 29, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
POUNCEY in the 2nd or trade up to get him in the late first..
the guy is a beast.
I'm an advocate of the OL shuffle:
Draft a rd1 tackle, move Albert to LG, move Waters to C or RG, draft another OG or C with one of the 2nds or the 3rd. Our OL will finally be repaired, IMO, if the picks work out.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
I say Waters to RG and we draft our Center
next year we get the best RG possible in the draft and wallah…a young promising offensive line!
LT LG C RG RT
2010 – Albert – 2010 – Waters – O’Call
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Shuffle players everywhere and then pray is what you're suggesting
If waters can be great at center, if albert regains his guard potential, if davis works out then we might have fixed our line….
Draft a Center, Draft a Guard and it is fixed or we can gamble.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Jan 29, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
agreed, too many IFs
Just draft a guy for one position of need, don’t overthink and mess up the existing players
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 2:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But the odds are pretty good.
How much different could LG be from LT? I’m pretty sure Albert won’t have a problem with the transition back to LG. I’m not limiting Waters to playing center. It would be plausible for him to move to RG. I’m just saying, that there wouldn’t be a huge culture shock to Albert or Waters to move them around a little. They’re still going to be O linemen, the roles aren’t going to change that much, i.e, work with your team mates and maul the guy in front of you.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Which is why we bring someone in with a late pick that can sit behind him for a year or two.
We can do that this year, or use a higher pick in 2011 to get ready for his spot.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
How many sacks did he give up?
I didn’t see his play as a big problem from my angle.
agreed
His play wasn’t a problem.
I would wager that several of the sacks credited to both tackles were caused by TEs missing blocks, and missed assignments in the first half of the year.
They all clearly had issues with the ZB transition, but started to get it figured out in the 2nd half.
Give me a new RG AND/or C, and maybe a 2nd round or later guy who could compete at OT, and keep the rest of the starters in place
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 2:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
hold on....
It also says that JC is in the top 5 in almost every category and Flowers is a top 5 CB overall..
That seems to contradict Stats Inc
Makes me wonder about both sites reliability, but it also shows O’Call was not the second worst Right Tackle
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
I'll trust stats inc over profootballfocus
my understanding is that the folks at PFF get their stats by watching the TV feeds. It’s commendable, but probably inaccurate.
Predictions:
This year will be better
It also has the stats for Albert in contradiction
I think Stats,Inc is the better place also
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Somebody made a really good point about PFF and their statistics
when we first saw that site introduced on AP. One of our contributors knew how to compile statistics and pointed out some irregularities with their data. (stuff i cant understand)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
I understand the ranks, but I dont understand the charts themselves.
Break down what some of the numbers mean please.
I've seen
Davis play a few times. He dominates people, the kind of presence you would like to see on the o-line. Very unpolished but I think i’d like him better than O’Kung, but either one would be fine. Either way it starts a good chain reaction on the line, more quality people in all the positions.
Does Colin Brown fit in anywhere?.
Obviously we did’nt get to see him play. But, still. we drafted him for a good reason. Surely a year on IR has changed his place on the food chain.
Anybody know anything about his current status?.
I'd be happy with this choice
Okung, notsomuch.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 29, 2010 4:35 PM CST reply actions
Drafting a LT when we already have a young stud at LT in Albert would be insane, foolish, and every other negative adjective I could use. It would be as head scratching a move as drafting a utility DL player in the 2nd round(Turk), or a 3rd string TE in the 2nd round(Kris Wilson). Those picks were nuts, based on our needs at the time, and this would be also. I cannot believe sharp guys like Pioli and Haley would be so foolish.
Agree
Ive been saying this same thing, to me there is no logic to drafting a LT with the #5 when we already have a good one, especially when we have so many other positions that need upgraded
the more i hear it the more i realize
that i’ll be pissed if we take a OL man in the 1st.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
i won't have a problem picking any position that will make us appreciably better
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
i wouldn't mind picking an o line later on because i know we need help on the o line
but i really believe that picking an o-line at #5 is a waste because i don’t see a major upgrade from fixing it later in the draft, as our major holes in the o-line can be found there. the only difference is that it is going to cost us more to do it #5. i really believe that we need a HR of a first pick, and o-line is never going to be that. if we pick o-line at #5 it because we are cowards and are too afraid to try and find the next derick thomas of the team.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
Okung is a bum
There are a lot of really good RT’s in this draft. But a bunch of mediocre LT’s, which is why if they want to take one they need to wait till the 2nd. And go with Berry, Trade, or McClain in that order with our 1st. If we could trade to say anywhere from 10 to 15. And pick up an extra second, our options would be wide open. We could grab a stud LBer or Dan Williams then use one of our seconds and a 3rd to trade back into the first and grab Iupati. And still grab a beast S…so many scenarios and none of us will know anything till April 22nd dammit!!
by BiiG_C on Jan 29, 2010 10:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
exactly
you first sentence says it all. none of the LTs are that much better then albert, so by picking a LT with our #5 we are essentially paying #5 money for a stud RT or G which is absolutely ludicrous.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
No
we’d likely be paying #5 money for a LT and #15 money for a stud RT or G.
If one of the LT’s (be it Okung, Davis, Campbell, whoever) is the best player on the board when our #5 pick comes up, we’ll try to trade down (because that’s always option #1) and if we can’t, we’ll draft a LT.
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 29, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
yes
if they are no better then the LT that is being payed #15 money and we can get a very good RT/G/C (what we really need) in the 2nd or later, then we are paying top 5 money to fix the right side. give me one good reason why we should do that when we can give similar to better results for a fraction of the cost.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
Try and trade down.
I think our biggest need is at NT, as our offense progressed alot more than our defense, the past few games. I say try for a Dan Williams, and a dominant O-Lineman, not necessarly a Tackle, in the first round, if possible. The only way I wouldn’t trade down is if Berry was there, or , by some slim chance Suh. Remember, we also have a high 2nd rounder, which is almost as good as a first rounder. The problem is, the top 5 picks seem to be a curse anymore, instead of being in demand, due to the cost, and it is hard to trade down anymore, unless a team is dead set on a player. I would love to have 2 first rounders and possibly 3 – 2nd rounders, by trading down (we already have 2).
The draft is alot deeper for O-linemen than dominant NT's.
Just a follow up to my last post. I think it is important to jump on a high pick NT, as the draft is much deeper at O-linemen, than someone who could step in and play NT in their first year, which I still feel is our number one priority. We can get very good O- linemen in the 2nd round. Now, I’m sure Weiss is going to want an offensive star, Crennell a defensive star, and so on,so Haley and Pioli will make the ultimate decision, but I would hate to be arguing who to take. Everybody will have a valid argument.

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