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New Fox Mock Draft Has Chiefs Taking Anthony Davis in First Round

Of course, there's a million mock drafts flying around - whether ones made up by our own AP faithful or those on every sports-related blog, site or 'zine available. And thus far, the Chiefs - since they choose in the first five picks - usually are focused on the same players in each draft. But Fox Sports put up a nice mock recently that has the Chiefs selecting some different flavors.

In particular, they have us going offensive line at #5, but not who you think. Instead of the oft-cited Russell Okung from Oklahoma State, they have the Chiefs selecting tackle/behemoth Anthony Davis from Rutgers. The full argument:

"Kansas City's O-line is still a work in progress, and although Oklahoma State's Russell Okung may be the "safer" bet at OT, Davis has unlimited potential. A stud in high school in New Jersey and a mauling presence on the left side of the Rutgers offensive line for the past three seasons, Davis developed into one of the country's top underclassmen in '09. He's more than an imposing presence; at 6-6, 330 lbs -- he's a monster. After a few dominant individual workouts, I look for Davis to leapfrog Okung on draft day boards and end up in Chiefs red. They'll move Branden Albert back to his natural position (guard) or to right tackle and give Davis the keys to Matt Cassel's blind side."

What do you guys think? Do you believe this is possible? And from what you know at this point, would you rather have Okung or Davis?

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If the Chiefs select an offensive lineman with the #5 pick, who would you rather have?
Anthony Davis, Rutgers
661 votes
Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
670 votes

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I can't vote on this because I haven't seen this Davis kid play but...

It’s nice to know that there may be another viable O-line option to take with such a high pick. Okung seems pretty good but, the spread offense kind of scares me when it comes to O-linemen. I want to have a guy who is a mauler but still athletic enough to zone block.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 29, 2010 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

Rather have McClain over these guys

if Berry is gone.

Man crush on Eric Berry.

by SwimCoach on Jan 29, 2010 1:54 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I'd rather NOT have Cassel getting harassed again in 2010.

I’d rather put more tools around him to see if he can be our guy.

And, McClain isn’t all that impressive, IMO. At least not for a top 5 pick.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel also

holds the ball way to long… which could mean that our WRs can’t get open too… so draft Tate and Barnes to help out. When Cassel got owned, it’s b/c he sat around. Happened in NE too. I wouldn’t always blame the Oline for that.

Man crush on Eric Berry.

by SwimCoach on Jan 29, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

But you can’t really argue that this OL wasn’t really, really bad. In the first 3/4 of the season, it might have been the worst OL I’ve ever seen. I’m not fooled that they got all that much better over the end of the season. IMO, I think that Charles and the zone blocking schemes just masked some of their deficiency. That won’t last forever, and I would really like to see a superior OL like we had through the 90’s and early 2000’s emerge again.

Cassel does hold on a little long, but that can be corrected by getting him more and more familiar with the offensive scheme and WRs. Remember that he filled into NE’s system very well. We’re in the process of building him a system here. Haley and Pioli should get this ironed out and will build an offense that can play to his strengths/weaknesses.

I won’t be surprised nor upset if Okung or Davis is taken 5th overall.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it has more to do with

Cassel missing 4 years of learning how to find receivers in College.

The New England O-line gave up a ton of sacks the year Cassel was the starter there that they haven’t given up before or since. And that was with Moss and Welker to throw to.

Cassel can’t have missed all those years of game reps with no consequence.

by ChiefDJ on Jan 29, 2010 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

Maybe we better draft a QB.

by CPT.Caveman on Jan 29, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

"And, McClain isn’t all that impressive, IMO. At least not for a top 5 pick"

Agree, far too early for an ILB. Guys like Rey Rey and, hate to admit it, Laurinaitis can be had much later.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 29, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Rey Rey and Laurinaitis

are in the draft again? :)

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Jan 29, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought Rey Rey was in the pokey on a DUI charge.

That and apparently partying with an underage girl.

by JacinB on Jan 29, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

The police report said that ...

One girl was 18 and the other was a minor. I’m taking that to mean under 18.

by JacinB on Jan 29, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

he's in jail for that?

But, not for having his bodyguard kill someone for him??

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda

by kabrink on Jan 29, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

OOHHHH

It was Rey Maualuga, not Ray Lewis. my misunderstanding.

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda

by kabrink on Jan 29, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

What about

Vladimir Ducasse from UMass, he’s 6-5 336 a 5.40 in the 40, and is projected to go in the 2 or 3rd. They said he has a huge upside, and good feet on the NFL network.

by CPT.Caveman on Jan 29, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

happy to finally

See someone say his natural position is guard not tackle

by Chiefwanka on Jan 29, 2010 1:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I would vote either. You should add that option.

Tackles are generally safe picks… i.e., they’re not as likely to bust. Both of these guys sound like solid prospects, and after current players are moved around and the dust settles, I’d say that we would have a pretty darn good OL if one of these two are selected.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

Davis.

Maybe we could move him to Nose Tackle. : ) Jeeze 6’6 330lbs. Talk about a monster of a man. Imagine what he would weight if he were to find himself some KC bbq. Watchout!

by GVBOY on Jan 29, 2010 2:02 PM CST reply actions  

Cambell and Davis are both much better than Okung..

I would rather have Cambell if we are looking for a great zone blocker.. But, i like davis alot too cause he reminds of Ryan Clady..

by Kcbiggyblue on Jan 29, 2010 2:02 PM CST reply actions  

Um...

I’d watch out for comparing Ryan Clady to our potential O-Line. I dont want a guy that gets made to look like a punk against @TambaHali :P

by Claude! on Jan 29, 2010 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just glad to see this:

“They’ll move Branden Albert back to his natural position (guard)…”

At least they know a little about Albert.

by Seth_C on Jan 29, 2010 2:02 PM CST reply actions  

Except Guard isn't Alberts natural position

Its just the one he played in college because he was sandwiched between two other top prospects.

He was a LT in High School and would have moved to LT after D’Brickshaw Ferguson left but the coach had Eugene Monroe who was a good up and coming Tackle and decided it would be better to keep continuity on the O-line by not moving Albert.

by ChiefDJ on Jan 29, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

i still think we r wasting good talent with albert the guy

Is so athletic and he can pull and block down field I say we put him back at guard and let him open holes for charles.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Jan 30, 2010 12:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

This was a very persuasive article

Initially I like Davis now, I’ll probably want to look into it a bit more though

by Boots 58 on Jan 29, 2010 2:05 PM CST reply actions  

Given how deep this draft is

and the potential of paying yet another top 5 pick big money, I’m wondering if its best that KC trades down and gets more picks.

by golfbard on Jan 29, 2010 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

Albert should be moved to RT..

O call gave up 2nd most sakes by a right tackle in the NFL.. I thought he was doing well but, it looks like he was just an upgrade over Mcintrash and Richardson..
He only started like 8 games..

by Kcbiggyblue on Jan 29, 2010 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

Are you sure those figures are accurate on O'Call?

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Jan 29, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

According to Stats Inc

O’Call started 12 games for us and only gave up 4 sacks

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7885&team=12

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Jan 29, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure.. I've looked at a few sites..

But i think that its also the RGs fault by being so weak all year..

by Kcbiggyblue on Jan 29, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

disagree

O’call is fine, as is Albert

I won’t cry if they get “upgraded”… but it isn’t a top-5-pick priority.

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 2:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't see and "upgrade" for Albert in this draft.

The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?

by BigRedChief on Jan 29, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, i am questioning whether there is or not

I would like a guy like john jerry in the 4th… he could be RG or RT… if he beats out O’Call, O’Call becomes a GREAT swing OT.

Or, Jerry starts at RG…

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 2:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I still believe that Center is the biggest need on our line.

Fix that and everything else will be fine. I wouldn’t want more than one rookie starting anyway.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 29, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 2:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm an advocate of the OL shuffle:

Draft a rd1 tackle, move Albert to LG, move Waters to C or RG, draft another OG or C with one of the 2nds or the 3rd. Our OL will finally be repaired, IMO, if the picks work out.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

meh

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I say Waters to RG and we draft our Center

next year we get the best RG possible in the draft and wallah…a young promising offensive line!
   LT LG C RG RT
2010 – Albert – 2010 – Waters – O’Call

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Jan 29, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Shuffle players everywhere and then pray is what you're suggesting

If waters can be great at center, if albert regains his guard potential, if davis works out then we might have fixed our line….

Draft a Center, Draft a Guard and it is fixed or we can gamble.

The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.

by ChiefsfanJon on Jan 29, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed, too many IFs

Just draft a guy for one position of need, don’t overthink and mess up the existing players

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 2:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

But the odds are pretty good.

How much different could LG be from LT? I’m pretty sure Albert won’t have a problem with the transition back to LG. I’m not limiting Waters to playing center. It would be plausible for him to move to RG. I’m just saying, that there wouldn’t be a huge culture shock to Albert or Waters to move them around a little. They’re still going to be O linemen, the roles aren’t going to change that much, i.e, work with your team mates and maul the guy in front of you.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is why we bring someone in with a late pick that can sit behind him for a year or two.

We can do that this year, or use a higher pick in 2011 to get ready for his spot.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

RT

i think davis would be better at RT. he sounds like more of a mean run blocking SOB that we need. i dont see that fire from albert

by chiefn25 on Jan 29, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

How many sacks did he give up?

I didn’t see his play as a big problem from my angle.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 29, 2010 2:09 PM CST reply actions  

agreed

His play wasn’t a problem.
I would wager that several of the sacks credited to both tackles were caused by TEs missing blocks, and missed assignments in the first half of the year.

They all clearly had issues with the ZB transition, but started to get it figured out in the 2nd half.

Give me a new RG AND/or C, and maybe a 2nd round or later guy who could compete at OT, and keep the rest of the starters in place

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2010 2:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That seems to contradict Stats Inc

Makes me wonder about both sites reliability, but it also shows O’Call was not the second worst Right Tackle

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Jan 29, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll trust stats inc over profootballfocus

my understanding is that the folks at PFF get their stats by watching the TV feeds. It’s commendable, but probably inaccurate.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Jan 29, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It also has the stats for Albert in contradiction

I think Stats,Inc is the better place also

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Jan 29, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Somebody made a really good point about PFF and their statistics

when we first saw that site introduced on AP. One of our contributors knew how to compile statistics and pointed out some irregularities with their data. (stuff i cant understand)

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Jan 29, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I've seen

Davis play a few times. He dominates people, the kind of presence you would like to see on the o-line. Very unpolished but I think i’d like him better than O’Kung, but either one would be fine. Either way it starts a good chain reaction on the line, more quality people in all the positions.

by RamX21 on Jan 29, 2010 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

Does Colin Brown fit in anywhere?.

Obviously we did’nt get to see him play. But, still. we drafted him for a good reason. Surely a year on IR has changed his place on the food chain.
 Anybody know anything about his current status?.

by ChiefsChance on Jan 29, 2010 3:24 PM CST reply actions  

Branden Albert is not moving back to RG, why do people keep saying it his natural position he played both in high school and both in college so how is this his natural position.

by BiRed#58 on Jan 29, 2010 4:02 PM CST reply actions  

good call

on Colin Brown. Still some promise there, although he admittedly was a project

by Matt Conner on Jan 29, 2010 4:12 PM CST reply actions  

I'd be happy with this choice

Okung, notsomuch.

D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
The only thing more lame than mock draft's is the sarcasm font.

by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 29, 2010 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

Drafting a LT when we already have a young stud at LT in Albert would be insane, foolish, and every other negative adjective I could use. It would be as head scratching a move as drafting a utility DL player in the 2nd round(Turk), or a 3rd string TE in the 2nd round(Kris Wilson). Those picks were nuts, based on our needs at the time, and this would be also. I cannot believe sharp guys like Pioli and Haley would be so foolish.

by dablueguy on Jan 29, 2010 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

Agree

Ive been saying this same thing, to me there is no logic to drafting a LT with the #5 when we already have a good one, especially when we have so many other positions that need upgraded

by badassz1987 on Jan 29, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

the more i hear it the more i realize

that i’ll be pissed if we take a OL man in the 1st.

Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?

Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p

by Leaf on Jan 29, 2010 7:24 PM CST reply actions  

i won't have a problem picking any position that will make us appreciably better

The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells

Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells

by kcguy on Jan 29, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

i wouldn't mind picking an o line later on because i know we need help on the o line

but i really believe that picking an o-line at #5 is a waste because i don’t see a major upgrade from fixing it later in the draft, as our major holes in the o-line can be found there. the only difference is that it is going to cost us more to do it #5. i really believe that we need a HR of a first pick, and o-line is never going to be that. if we pick o-line at #5 it because we are cowards and are too afraid to try and find the next derick thomas of the team.

Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?

Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p

by Leaf on Jan 29, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Okung is a bum

There are a lot of really good RT’s in this draft. But a bunch of mediocre LT’s, which is why if they want to take one they need to wait till the 2nd. And go with Berry, Trade, or McClain in that order with our 1st. If we could trade to say anywhere from 10 to 15. And pick up an extra second, our options would be wide open. We could grab a stud LBer or Dan Williams then use one of our seconds and a 3rd to trade back into the first and grab Iupati. And still grab a beast S…so many scenarios and none of us will know anything till April 22nd dammit!!

by BiiG_C on Jan 29, 2010 10:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

oops

i meant my “exactly” statement to be here. maybe i should go to bed :p

Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?

Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p

by Leaf on Jan 29, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly

you first sentence says it all. none of the LTs are that much better then albert, so by picking a LT with our #5 we are essentially paying #5 money for a stud RT or G which is absolutely ludicrous.

Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?

Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p

by Leaf on Jan 29, 2010 10:55 PM CST reply actions  

No

we’d likely be paying #5 money for a LT and #15 money for a stud RT or G.

If one of the LT’s (be it Okung, Davis, Campbell, whoever) is the best player on the board when our #5 pick comes up, we’ll try to trade down (because that’s always option #1) and if we can’t, we’ll draft a LT.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 29, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

if they are no better then the LT that is being payed #15 money and we can get a very good RT/G/C (what we really need) in the 2nd or later, then we are paying top 5 money to fix the right side. give me one good reason why we should do that when we can give similar to better results for a fraction of the cost.

Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?

Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p

by Leaf on Jan 30, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Try and trade down.

I think our biggest need is at NT, as our offense progressed alot more than our defense, the past few games. I say try for a Dan Williams, and a dominant O-Lineman, not necessarly a Tackle, in the first round, if possible. The only way I wouldn’t trade down is if Berry was there, or , by some slim chance Suh. Remember, we also have a high 2nd rounder, which is almost as good as a first rounder. The problem is, the top 5 picks seem to be a curse anymore, instead of being in demand, due to the cost, and it is hard to trade down anymore, unless a team is dead set on a player. I would love to have 2 first rounders and possibly 3 – 2nd rounders, by trading down (we already have 2).

by Racyman on Jan 30, 2010 2:12 PM CST reply actions  

The draft is alot deeper for O-linemen than dominant NT's.

Just a follow up to my last post. I think it is important to jump on a high pick NT, as the draft is much deeper at O-linemen, than someone who could step in and play NT in their first year, which I still feel is our number one priority. We can get very good O- linemen in the 2nd round. Now, I’m sure Weiss is going to want an offensive star, Crennell a defensive star, and so on,so Haley and Pioli will make the ultimate decision, but I would hate to be arguing who to take. Everybody will have a valid argument.

by Racyman on Jan 30, 2010 2:18 PM CST reply actions  

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