GM of Arrowhead East Has Some Interesting Words on Former Chiefs OC
by Joel Thorman on Jan 29, 2010 8:39 AM CST
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PrintYes, it's a bit of a slow news day so we're checking in on how Chan Gailey is coming along with the Buffalo Bills. He's been hiring staff members formerly of the Kansas City Chiefs left and right.
Today, the Buffalo News ran an interview with Bills GM Buddy Nix, who said he was impressed with Gailey's work during the 2008 season with the Chiefs. Specifically, he suggested the Chiefs were a better offense under Tyler Thigpen in 2008 than they were under Matt Cassel and Co. in 2009.
Per the Buffalo News:
"I know Kansas City because we played them twice a year," said Nix, referring to his former employer, San Diego. "We know the division. He didn't have a lot to work with, and he still got a lot done offensively. He adjusted to [Tyler] Thigpen. Give me a break. Then look at what happened to the offense after he left."
"My view of him was already high, but it was raised by his job at Kansas City," Nix said.
Statistically, he's correct. And, frankly, the Thigpen offense was more fun to watch even if they won just one game with him at the helm.
As for the long-term? Nix didn't address that, but I'd be interested to hear his answer.
So, some folks around the league believe the Chiefs were a better team in 2008 under Tyler Thigpen than they were in 2009 under Matt Cassel.
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So...
the Bills pick Chan over Marty, their fanbase is up in arms because their team is more-or-less becoming the Chiefs of the past two years, and he then makes a dig at KC? Sounds to me that they’re trying to put a pig in lipstick.
He is really insulting Tyler Thigpen there
I don’t think Thiggy is a great QB but he is certainly talented and could develop. You can’t deny the kid makes plays. He came in during Miami’s last game and nearly brought them back, though he did throw a pick that cost them.
Chan did come up with a brilliant plan for Thigpen, sure. But why didn’t he come up with a brilliant plan for Croyle or for Huard? The offense was terrible when those guys were in charge.
The offense also looked terrible under Gailey in the preseason last year.
I think we give a little too much credit to Gailey and not enough to Tyler Thigpen. I am not saying Gailey didn’t make a good call with Thiggy but he didn’t do jack for Croyle, Huard or Cassel when he was supposed to be working his magic for them.
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by Patrick Allen on Jan 29, 2010 8:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
In fact...
I retract that Gailey what I said about Gailey making an “brilliant plan for Thigpen.”
It may not even have been Gailey. Everyone, including Herm Edwards could see that Thigpen was doing better on drives near the end of the game in the shotgun. Herm even mentioned it in a press conference before the Chiefs went all out spread.
It may not even have been Gailey’s idea. It might have been Herm’s.
All they did was go to a spread and Thigpen was able to keep drives alive with his legs. It wasn’t really brilliant play calling. It was, “drop back, look for Tony if Tony isn’t open run like hell.”
And all it did was win us one lousy game, over the Raiders which we probably should have lost.
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by Patrick Allen on Jan 29, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
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by Patrick Allen on Jan 29, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
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It was, "drop back, look for Tony if Tony isn’t open run like hell."
Rec’d!
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 29, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
That’s the part I agree with most out of both Pat’s comments there. That and the general idea that Chan isn’t some offensive mastermind that single-handedly made our offense relevant (which he didn’t) with Thiggy at the helm.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Chan did a great job.....
Nobody here will deny that. I don’t think anyone thinks he got fired because he was incapable of leading an offense. Sometimes you and the head guy just don’t see eye to eye, and thats all I think his release was about. Todd Haley knew which direction he was going to go, Chan wasn’t it, the only mistake was that they didn’t break it up earlier.
I say good luck to chan….but I strongly believe Marty was the direction buffalo shoulda went. Strong defense and running teams favor cold weather up north.
by Zimmy on Jan 29, 2010 8:49 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yah I don't blame Chan. It's just that he wasn't Haley's guy. And Chan has indicated as much.
I wish him well. He will need it in Buffalo. They really suck!
I hope Chan has an O coordinator that doesn't get on his page
And then I want to see articles about “two men strong men with different ideas.”
Chan Gailey refused to follow the direction of his head coach and is praised. I hope the same thing happens to him. Gailey didn’t have the guts or ethics to resign…..and he is praised. Gailey screwed the Chiefs last year. It would be like Pendergast saying he wouldn’t go to a 3-4. No one would have praised Pendergast for that kind of insubordination.
I use to be a huge Gailey fan. No more. He showed his true colors.
by ChiefConcern on Jan 29, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Tyler Thigpen is gone, we just need to accept it. Can we move to the next topic please.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
Accept it?
Heck I sing it from the high hills, love that he is gone!
even though Thigpen's stats were as good better than Cassel's?
and they were …
Thigpen 14g 76qb/rat 56%comp 2608yd 18td 12int
Cassel 15g 70qb/rat 55%comp 2924yd 16td 16int\
I thought Thigpen did a pretty good job, all things considered … and Gailey got him to do it
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I'd still take Cassel over Thigpen any day of the week
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Not always what it seems.
Thigpen had sure-handed Tony Gonzalez to throw to (and mainly did) and Cassle didn’t have a receiver that could catch a cold. That makes Cassel’s percentage a little more impressive to me. On top of that, Cassel won more games, which is what it is all about. Not many more games mind you, but more none the less.
Thigpen gets the most of his ability, but he will always be a backup for the next 4-5 years he is in the league.
I dont think the comment was fair either
Not to take anything from Chan because I think he did a great job using what we had, but what we had was Tony G. I could just about guarantee that if TG would have been here, Cassel’s numbers would have been better than Thiggy’s.
Bottom Line
Our Offense was terrible in 2008. And about the same in 2009.
To try to “spin” a 2-win season is fairly amusing, though…so I thank Nix for that.
by Scott B. on Jan 29, 2010 9:02 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
But...
The last 4 games of the 09 season, the Chiefs offense was CLEARLY better than it has been for the last 3 years. That was the best we have seen since Vermiel left w/o a doubt.
It took saome time to get the offense clicking but, once the line started to improve and JC was playing, this team was able to move the ball pretty effectively.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 29, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
Amen
Funny that he’s trying to get mileage out of a horrible offense.
Honestly, I thought our offense was much better the second half of this past season than it ever was in 08. We were very one-dimensional then — end of this past season, we could run, which opened up the passing game…
I think Nix is talking out his butt!
I agree completely...
This offense is built for the long term. I think this offense under Charlie Weis may end up being the best one KC has ever seen. We should be able to mix the plays up so much that there is no way teams will be able to predict what we are doing. JC will end up breaking every rushing record on this team if he can stay healthy and I can’t wait to see how MC looks after spending the whole offseason working with Weis.
Even if our defense is still terrible next year, this offense should be VERY exciting! I think we could become a top10 offense easily…maybe better.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 29, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
What I don't understand
Is why is Chan looking to re-create the 07’ and 08’ Chiefs. As Chiefs fans we know very well that these were dark years in Arrow Head, but yet Chan is planning to rebuild those teams in Buffalo. The NFL has always been a copy cat league, but to copy one of the worse teams of the last two seasons just doesn’t sound like a winning plan to me. It’s hard to say this about the Chiefs but it is true.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
I predict the Chiefs trade down from the number 5 pick.
Gailey is trying to re-create the '07 and '08 Chiefs because....
He’s the most over-rated coach in KC history. Gailey set up the “Slash” offense for the Steelers. Where did that get them? He’s a short term, clever thinker and a nice man. I liked Gunther, too, but I got over that.
by ChiefConcern on Jan 29, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
um...into a Super Bowl
just sayin
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
The 2008 offense
was good (relative) for 2008 but had no carryover value to 2009 for Haley or Herm (if Herm stayed on).
The 2009 offense might not have been as good (we are talking a small difference) but has carryover value for 2010.
Although I give credit to Chan for a creative way of squeezing out a little life in the 2008 offense. As far as helping this franchise get out of the floundering hole…the Arrowspread was a setback.
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Jan 29, 2010 9:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Jan 29, 2010 9:05 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Hmmm..
Well, we could discuss wether or not we should of cut Pollard, or wether or not DJ should play more. That should finish it off.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
Don't forget Haley's golf game, or treatment of Brian Waters.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Jan 29, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
I forgot about sign gate
How could I forget about sign gate? lol
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by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Jan 29, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
see ... that's PRECISELY why we have no wild horses left on the open ranges any more ...
shame on ALL of you!
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I don't know what Nix is talking about but...
The 2009 Chiefs averaged more points per game than the 2008 Chiefs without using a gimmick offense. Plus the 2009 offense got better as the game went on were as the 2008 offense started to disappear after the half once defenses made adjustments.
Lets not forget
Tyler Thigpen had Tony gonzalez! We all know cassell would of had the numbers thiggy did if tony would have been here. But I’m glad we get a 2b in this years draft! Does anyone know what will happen with the draft party this year?
by Alaskan Chief on Jan 29, 2010 9:38 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Of course Nix is going to say this
He has to defend his average hire for head coach after everyone he really wanted declined the job offer.
And the price for Tyler Thigpen just went up...
Buddy doesn’t know when to shut up, I can see that already. If they had any designs on snagging Thiggs from MIA for a reasonable price (6th rounder maybe? A 7 and cash?), those just went out the window.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
Once again
If you think back to how the KC offense looked at the end of 2008 against the Bengals— Thigpen missing throws, no significant rushing threat, stagnant— and compare it to what the Chiefs looked like against Denver at the end of 2009 with Charles running wild….. well, I agree with others, the Arrowspread was a detour, not a long-term destination.
Once again
If you think back to how the KC offense looked pretty much all of 2008 against damned near everyone – Cassel missing throws, no rushing threat until Charles was starter – and compare it to what the Chiefs looked like last year – it was pretty much the same …
don’t compare ONE GAME like that, Wheatboy, that’s horrible … last year we beat the Broncos 33-19 in Arrowhead and we also beat Raiders 20-13 in Oakland … this year we beat the Raiders how many times? oh yeah, never mind …
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Okay but charles was the starter for how many games? More than 1 or 2 so kinda pointless to bring up that we didn’t have a threat till he came… Also how many games did thiggy win? How many did matty win? Yep thinking matt wins that battle. Which in any place but buffalo and oakland is all that matters.
by karkz86 on Jan 29, 2010 11:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's not comparing just one game
It is comparing the entire progress being made here. This progress is also about going into next season. In the beginning of the Arrowspread of ‘08, teams had no idea what was coming. There was success against some teams, yes. But as the the weeks went on, the offense pretty much leveled off once teams got some tape on this. Can you imagine what defenses would have done in ’09 after having an offseason to prepare for the Arrowspread? Compare that to what is taking place now. The system is in place, the offensive coaching that fits the system is getting in place, and things are looking up. If you can’t see the advantages of a long term build over a quick fix, I can’t help you.
Yes, we beat the Raiders in ‘09 as well, what’s your point?
Alright...
I have to disagree that Thigpen’s offense was more fun to watch than Jamaal Charles. Sorry. I’ll take JC over Thiggy anyday
I think the hire isn’t that bad and we can’t completely belame gailey for the arrowspread we did have hc who allowed it to happen, our first 2 starting qbs out gailey in sorts did what he had to to field the most competitive offense he could with what he had. That being said its wrong in my mind if for no other reason than I said in my other post we won more games this year and improved as time went on.
by karkz86 on Jan 29, 2010 11:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
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oh, and yes…he is so impressed with gailey that he hired him after being rejected by a dozen other candidates.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
I think Thigpen's just better in general than Cassel
But you have to like a coach who’s willing to drop everything they’re doing on offense and switch it up.
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