Haley Caretaker Conspiracy Theory, Part 3?

by kabrink on Jan 28, 2010 11:28 PM CST

As we know, Coach Haley has recently filled two important positions, OC and DC, with prominent candidates.

In the case of DC it was very apparent a year ago that Crennel was the primary candidate and that the position was eventually, and very hesitantly, filled by someone already on the staff. After one year, that Caretaker (Pendergast) was ousted for the originally preferred candidate, Crennel, because he finally became available. It is widely suspected by us all that this move was almost entirely planned by Pioli/Haley the whole time.

The case of the OC is a bit more convoluted. Gailey was apparently the man, until he wasn't. The position was, perhaps hesitantly and less than ideally, filled by someone already on the staff, Haley. After one year, the Caretaker (Haley) was ousted for a well connected candidate (Weis) because he became available. A move here was almost certainly going to be made anyway because Haley has stated since he arrived that splitting the HC and OC was his preferred setup. But, I wonder how much of this move was somewhat pre-planned and discussed by Pioli/Haley and Weis the whole time. I think Weis was widely considered to be on the hot seat and this trio may have made pre-arrangements for that eventuality.

That finally brings me to speculate on Part 3. There is another position that was very likely filled by a Caretaker this season with a preplanned successor to be acquired later. That position is QB Coach and was also filled by none other than our beloved Coach Haley. Lo and behold, we have now learned that his friend whom we know he stays in frequent contact with, Kurt Warner, is going to retire. Warner's retirement could not have been a secret from Haley and it seems likely that these two could have been having discussions around this topic all season. So, I suspect that by this time next week QB Coach Haley will be fired by HC Haley and replaced by new QB Coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, Kurt Warner.

This all explains why Haley has always said it would take 2 years to build his staff. I love this move.

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I think Warner would be a great QB coach

He always seemed liked he was a good leader and decent guy. I would like this move if it were to happen

What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left.

by Aperture on Jan 28, 2010 11:36 PM CST reply actions

My opinion is Warner will do TV

He’s very well spoken, interviews well and knows his shit.
Just a hunch though.

Ohhh Brett...One more year! One more year! One more year!
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by craig in calgary on Jan 28, 2010 11:37 PM CST reply actions

Here is some other related and fun speculation

regarding Warner’s replacement. How about a Boldin for Croyle trade? I like it. Here.

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by kabrink on Jan 28, 2010 11:47 PM CST reply actions

I like it too

Haha, notice #1 on that list?

Ohhh Brett...One more year! One more year! One more year!
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by craig in calgary on Jan 29, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions

yeah!

I’ve always been a skeptic of Thigpen. I think he fits better in Miami but Henne looks like he might keep that job.

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by kabrink on Jan 29, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions

You did notice it was Croyle+ DJ/Hali for Boldin??

If thats the case, I say no. Croyle + 2nd Rd/DJ for Boldin=ok , but not Hali.

by chiefsandcigars on Jan 29, 2010 7:18 AM CST up reply actions

Those fans are delusional if they think Thigpen is as good as Leinert

There is no way for me to even describe how much better Leinert is…It’s like comparing a 9 yr old in Mighty Mites to a College player.

And…I don’t want to see Croyle gone. A good backup QB is the 2nd most important guy on a team (in the words of Bill Belichick) Croyle is a SOLID backup and may actually be better than Cassel…Someday, we will see what the kid can do in this offense and I think he will prove himself to be worth a LOT more than some bundled trade deal for an aging, injury prone (but very talented) WR.

We should just stand past with our QB situation, why make rash moves that will inevitably end up being mistakes?

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 29, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions

Think about it, IF we trade Croyle

Buffalo should be #1 on the list clamoring for his services with Gailey as the HC there and he’ll be Gailey’s make or break guy more than likely. IF he makes Gailey and Cassel continues to struggle how are we going to look?

Seattle is another team that could give him a hard look, even the Redskins.

If Croyle isn’t moved it’s because Haley wants him and Cassel is Pioli’s guy. I’m awful curious about what’s going to happen with Croyle’s future.

by mcclanahanman on Jan 29, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions

I agree.

There WILL be teams talking to the Chiefs about Croyle. No matter what some Chiefs fans think about him, he is a damn good QB and it’s not a secret. I hope we keep him.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 29, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions

isn't he to be a free agent?

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by kabrink on Jan 29, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions

restricted

I’d offer him a first round tender and if Cassel struggles give Croyle his chance, what’s the worst that could happen. He just might show Matt up.

by mcclanahanman on Jan 30, 2010 3:47 AM CST up reply actions

yah that would be stupid. We can't give up our backup QB when Cassel isn't a proven commodity yet.

by krayfish on Jan 29, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions

kray

I thought your plan was to draft Tebow? Maybe I’ve got you on the wrong bandwagon!

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by kabrink on Jan 29, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions

I took them as Croyle OR DJ OR Hali

No only to Hali.

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by kabrink on Jan 29, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions

no they were saying

Croyle + DJ or Hali + Draft pick…

Um no.

Hail to the king, baby.

by IISaiNtII on Jan 29, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions

This is what was said:

Perhaps the Cardinals could swing a trade, Boldin for Croyle and either LB Derrick Johnson or Tamba Hali?

So that means either:
1)Boldin for Croyle + Hali or
2)Boldin for Croyle + DJ

I say no on 1, maybe on 2. If I were Pioli and they offered this, I would counter with a Boldin for Croyle + 2b Draft Pick.

I say maybe on 2 because I dont know how Crennel plans to use DJ. If they are going to use him the same way they did this year, than I would probably go for the trade, but ask for them to include a second day pick with Boldin.

by chiefsandcigars on Jan 29, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions

I think you're nuts on all points except two

Crennel was the hot man last year and I think his recovery from surgery kept him from taking the job last year.

And I think Warner would make an amazing QB coach. I’m all for it.

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by Buck'O on Jan 28, 2010 11:51 PM CST reply actions

confused - you talkin' ta me?

I agree Crennel couldn’t take it last year but that it was nevertheless planned that we would hire him this year.

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by kabrink on Jan 29, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions

From a consipiracy theory standpoint I understand what you're saying

I just don’t think that there were any guarantees for this year once he declined last year.

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by Buck'O on Jan 29, 2010 3:10 AM CST up reply actions

I mean hey

money talks right. Big market team like NY in the running this year warrants serious consideration. In the end I think the best fit overall won out.

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by Buck'O on Jan 29, 2010 3:11 AM CST up reply actions

~~Who cares about money?~~

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by kabrink on Jan 29, 2010 7:16 AM CST up reply actions

I just don't see Warner wanting to go from retiring

straight into coaching. Hopefully I’m wrong, because I like the idea of him coming here.

by justinmayhugh on Jan 29, 2010 3:16 AM CST reply actions

well it never hurts to dream does it? He would certainly be a great QB coach.

by krayfish on Jan 29, 2010 7:19 AM CST reply actions

for anyone who wants to know..

Who were bradys qb coaches

Dick Rehbein, followed by Weis for two years, then McDaniels.

Unfortuneately rehbein is dead so no bringing him in for
An interview

If you will it dude....It is no dream - Jeffery Lebowski

by ChiefsnotChefs on Jan 29, 2010 8:10 AM CST via mobile reply actions

Why not? We could get him awfully cheap if he's dead...makes sense from a financial standpoint

by krayfish on Jan 29, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions

i don't know man...

look what a dead guy has done for the raiders. i cant say i’d support that move.

by MountainManMike on Jan 30, 2010 1:23 AM CST up reply actions

I believe it.

I doubt Clark and Pioli considered anyone on the 08 Chiefs coaching staff a long term solution. Putting the pieces together so late in the game gave them few options last year, other than to employee leftovers and place holders. When Haley was first, I wasn’t so sure that he wasn’t a place holder until something more proven became available this year. The organization doesn’t seem to have “adequate” written into any of their position descriptions.

Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.

by Idahochief on Jan 29, 2010 8:17 AM CST reply actions

It's a good therory

and I hope it happens. Totally agree about the caretaker stuff.

by Aiken_Drum on Jan 29, 2010 8:47 AM CST reply actions

I completely agree....

With everything except the Warner idea. I think he will take a year out of football, a man as into faith and family as he would probably like to take a year to relax. However, give him a year or two, and a man as competitive as him may want to get back into coaching, and if he does I say yeah. I do not see him going into broadcasting.

But of course these are all just speculations.

by Zimmy on Jan 29, 2010 8:53 AM CST reply actions

I could be wrong

but I think on one of the pregame shows recently someone said something about him wanting to take some time off after he retired and then possibly getting into politics.

Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"

by KCporkchop on Jan 29, 2010 9:10 AM CST reply actions

I like it.

If Cassel and Croyle get hurt we can suit Warner up to fill in.

Too bad if Warner retires he’s probably going to take some serious time off. He won’t work full time next year if he calls it quits.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 29, 2010 10:28 AM CST reply actions

agreed

by chiefn25 on Jan 29, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions

It is not up to him

The boss would have to let him. and i dont know if we want her around . she will make him take time off and probably do tv .

CHIEFS fan 4 life

by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Jan 29, 2010 10:37 AM CST reply actions

Just becasue Warner was a good QB

doesn’t mean he’d be a good QB coach. Ever hear the saying “Those who can do, those who can’t coach”?

If he doesn’t anything after retiring I’d say He’ll follow Trent Greens path and do some commenting and local stuff most likely for the Cardinals. QB Coach is a pretty low on the totem pole job, and is going to require as much time and effort as actually playing the game.

Not happening.

Hail to the king, baby.

by IISaiNtII on Jan 29, 2010 11:20 AM CST reply actions

Agreed.

The best carpenter on the crew can’t necessarily teach the newbies crap. Some people just “know” how to get the job done, but can’t relate it to someone else. Teaching at any level is a learned skill, but requires the ability to begin with.

Warner may demonstrate the ability to be a good coach, but then again, he may screw up whatever you have already accomplished. “Great” coach might be a bit premature.

by BinSC on Jan 29, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions