The Chiefs Should Absolutely Choose Tim Tebow in the 2010 Draft
by Matt Conner on Jan 28, 2010 3:54 PM CST
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PrintI just need to get this out there now, because not only am I tired of being afraid to post it here (for fear of being lambasted and losing any credibility I did have as a writer here at AP) but because I want to be able to talk about this more as the draft gets nearer and the water cooler talk heats up:
I sincerely hope the Chiefs choose Tim Tebow with whatever pick they need to get him.
I know the arguments are many against such a move. And it might sound ridiculous when faced with all the evidence to the contrary. Allow me to beat you to the punch:
1. The Chiefs already made a high-level investment in a QB
With both the second round draft pick from '09 and the large-sum contract given to Matt Cassel shortly thereafter, the Chiefs have made their claim on who they believe to be the face of this franchise for the next few years.
2. There are other major positions of need than QB
Glaring holes at all three defensive levels, the wide receiver position and offensive line have most crying foul if the Chiefs remotely think about a quarterback at all in this draft, let alone one with one of their first few picks.
3. Many think Tebow won't even be successful at the next level
His mechanics, his run-first mentality, his college option experience all speak to struggling at the next level - plus there's that Tyler Hansbrough level of hatred that some people seem to have toward the guy.
More after the jump:
And I believe that those are all good arguments to make (besides the last one, actually). The Chiefs probably will choose a linebacker, o-lineman, safety, wide receiver, etc. with those first few picks. And Tim Tebow definitely won't be waiting in round six or seven for us to pick up when we're finished shopping "for what we really need." So let's be honest, the Chiefs will not be choosing Tim Tebow in this year's draft.
However, that doesn't stop me from wishing for such a thing, or even believing that it would be the best possible move for this franchise to make. As I said earlier this week, I believe absolutely everything rises and falls on the QB position. An elite QB makes their o-line look good (see Brady). An elite QB suddenly has Pro Bowl receivers (see Manning making household names of Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie). And I'm just not convinced the Chiefs have that QB in place.
That's not to say that Cassel can't be the guy. But as valuable as that position is, if I'm the general manager (which every single one of you should be glad that I am not), then I'm grabbing yet another guy JUST in case. And I know there are issues there, but from my perspective, I will let the rest of the NFL take guys named Bradford or Claussen - and I'll take the best player in college football in my lifetime.
Perhaps that's short-sighted or too simplistic. And, just to clarify, I'm not a Gators fan, Tebow fan or in love with Tyler Hansbrough. I just happen to think that you could never have enough promising options at the position, much in the same way that every winning GM in baseball says "You can never have enough pitching." And while I would NEVER wager a top five pick in this draft on Tebow, I would make sure to trade up, down, left or right to get him with that next pick - no matter how much flack I'd get on Arrowhead Pride.
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And here comes the Calvary...
Haley told the offense to run it again. When someone said the defense already knows the play he responded, "So what, make it work."
Did you mean Cavalry? Calvary is indeed a Freudian slip if so.
If not, that’s witty.
Either way… sure, I’d take Tebow. In the 5th-6th round, with the understanding that he would be a wildcat quarterback and a short yardage back and nothing else.
by u2nspenserfan on Jan 28, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Calvary...
I’d say I meant the latter
Haley told the offense to run it again. When someone said the defense already knows the play he responded, "So what, make it work."
5th or 6th round
Sounds about right. short yardage, wildcat – back is about right as well. It’ll add a wrinkle that Chiefs need, desperately
Haley told the offense to run it again. When someone said the defense already knows the play he responded, "So what, make it work."
Best. Post. Ever.
Ohhh Brett...One more year! One more year! One more year!
Superbowl Prediction - Colts 41 Saints 23
by craig in calgary on Jan 28, 2010 4:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This is the first front page post I've ever rec'd
Ohhh Brett...One more year! One more year! One more year!
Superbowl Prediction - Colts 41 Saints 23
by craig in calgary on Jan 28, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
This is the first front page post I've ever flagged
Hail to the king, baby.
by IISaiNtII on Jan 28, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Thank you
The whole tone is combative and extremely passive aggressive. I think I read on Krays post that qualifies for a warning.
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Krayfish would know that!
combative and extremely passive aggressive
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
charge!
your point about “elite QB” is right on. however, the question with tebow seems to be not whether or not he’ll be an elite QB, but whether he’ll be a QB at all.
anything above fifth round is a waste with our holes on both lines and the rest of the D.
4th rounder
anything earlier than that and I would be pissed……but if we did get him in the 4th, i think it would be our best pick!
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Jan 28, 2010 4:04 PM CST reply actions
I would love
to have Tebow. He brings so much to the table, he has every intangible that you want in a qb. So his release and mechanics are bad, see Phillip Rivers. We happen to have one of the best coaches for developing QB’s. He is going to be a star in the NFL, his personality type wouldn’t let him be anything else. He ran the offense he was asked and coached to run to perfection. He throws an awesome ball. All that said i don’t see him landing here, someone is going to take him late first or early second.
Tim Tebow's mechanics make Philip Rivers' mechanics look like Tom Brady's
If that makes sense….
Tebow is sooooooo bad
by Nick Britt on Jan 28, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
so false, Rivers practically threw sidearm and had TERRIBLE footwork, Tebow just drops the ball too low before release and takes long strides in the pocket.
both of the problems you mentioned
aren’t exactly minor issues.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
they might not be minor
but are you saying they can’t be corrected with good coaching within a year or 2?
Rivers...
Looks like he’s throwing shot-put when he passes – I’m often amazed that he can throw a spiral like that.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 29, 2010 2:09 AM CST up reply actions
Dissagree Strongly!
We have no need for drafting him this year. IMO our team needs all of the draft picks to be used on strengthening the current core that is in place. We must surround Matt C. with top talent in the trenches and perhaps drafting a wide out…not to mention drafting Defense also. I just don’t see this as being reality that’s all. I’m fine with drafting a QB in late rounds, but I’d like to see us address known, gaping holes that currently exist in our roster.
by KCLonghorn on Jan 28, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think
people are taking what i’m saying the wrong way. I know we have way more glaring issues that need to be addressed and i don’t think we should take a qb over any of them but I do believe he is going to be a star and i wouldn’t mind having him. I wouldn’t use any of our top picks for him, but if he was there later, which he wont be, i would love to have him
awesome ball??
My recollections are wobbly flying ducks most the time.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
by kabrink on Jan 28, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
His crying style is similar to Phillip Rivers, too.
I really want to continue rooting against Tebow, it would kill me to have to cheer him. But I’d do it for the chiefs.
by BGiZZY on Jan 28, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why wouldnt you want Tebow?
He’s got JC on his side. Thats an edge the Chiefs could use!
I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees
By JC
you mean Jamaal Charles right? haha
by RamX21 on Jan 28, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I think he meant
John Conner
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
by Jux on Jan 28, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Man, I dunno.
Are we sure we want Jesus in our stadium on Sundays?
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Jan 28, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
He can't watch the Cowboys play anymore
since they closed the hole in the stadium
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Yeah...
he’d have to leave my house….
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
He means JZ..... right?
“Some People Hate”
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 28, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Wow Matt. Seriously. Not because of the subject matter; but that was a really great post.
Really kick ass.
maybe this was a sucker punch from the Thormans!
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
I'm still holding out
for Matt Cassel. I think Charlie Weis can make him a star.
by WtexKC on Jan 28, 2010 4:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You Know we don't have a 6th :)
sly dog you
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 28, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Tebow is the man
He is greatness on the field. I say if you cab produce I don’t care how you do it. Like shooting underhanded free-throws…who cares if they go in. I’m tired of guys bagging on Tebow for the simple fact that they don’t like him.
He is a winner…plain and simple. He leads his team with passion and integrity.
If his throwing motion and reads are that bad, how did he achieve such greatness in his career. He is dead accurate when he is on. He is also as strong as a LB.
He is also dual threat….he can bail himself out of a situation.
He is a special player and I would love to have him.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 28, 2010 4:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions
well
If his throwing motion and reads are that bad, how did he achieve such greatness in his career.
Because he plays college ball….Is it that hard of a connection to make? How many guys are stud QBs in college and never translate to anything in the pros?
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Sorry
But he was the best QB in college history. That doesn’t happen everyday. Your hatred is blinding you.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 28, 2010 4:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jamarcus Russel, Ryan Leaf, Alex Smith, Michael Vick
…any of those names ring a bell?
College is not the pros.
‘What you can get away with’ in college will get you benched in the pros.
Take a look at Pat White:
Here’s a guy that was 4th rounder AT BEST. He was a mobile QB that was undersized with questional mechanics. He was a ‘run first’ mentality QB that everyone thought would have troubles translating to the pros.
Scouts talked about how he could be a great ‘wild cat’ QB or better yet, moved to a receiver position to take advantage of his athleticism. He got ‘overhyped’ for the entire offseaon and Miami gambled on him. (As often happens at the QB position).
He was taken in the second round instead of the 4th or the 5th.
He got on the field this year for a few plays as an ‘under center QB’. He looked completely awful. His reads were too slow. His throwing motion was just as bad at telegraphing his intentions as we thought it would be. He STILL played with a ‘one read and then RUN’ mentality that he did in college. – He was carried off the field on a golf cart while lying on a stretcher.
Granted, Tebow is a much bigger guy and could probably absorb a few more hits than White did, but the results didn’t lie. When you ‘fall in love’ with a good to great college player that doesn’t have the tools to start in the NFL and then you add HYPE that elevated their draft round beyond what their skills would rank them at……you end up carting a guy off the field that shold have been selected in the 4th or 5th round and held the clipboard for a couple seasons.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
I may be a homer
best QB in college history
But Chase Daniel, Todd Reesing, and Sam Bradford are a few better college Quarterbacks.
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From a pro-rediness' perspective, I agree
From a pure college numbers/ success perspective: It would be very hard to back up that arguement.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Look at their passing numbers
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Look at the number of trophies they have lifted.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
OU is the only one of those 3 schools (QBs)
that could even remotely pace UF’s recruiting. KU and MU did a whole hell of a lot more compared to UF when you take into account the quality players they had at every single position in every phase of the game. Bradford suffered from injury in 09 or the “trophies” argument might be a little different imo.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
ND was tops for several seasons, so was Nebraska under Callahan...
…How did that turn out for them? Coaching and special players play a huge role in winning it all. Tebow did something special that no one has ever done and probably won’t for a long time.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
Uhh.... what?
I never mentioned Nebraska or ND soo… not too sure what that’s about. My point was that of the 3 QBs cpa mentioned only one of them had a supporting cast even remotely close to Tebow’s in terms of recruiting talent. That school is OU and not only do both OU and UF have outstanding recruiting classes just about every single year, they’ve got some damn good coaches too. They also receive more money to pay for things like training equipment and programs.
So when you say “how many trophies did they win?” You’re missing the entire point that Reesing and Daniels put up comparable/better career numbers (both were strong dual-threat QBs nearly their entire careers) despite doing it with a noticeable handicap.
It’s like trying to drag race a Gremlin and a Camaro except somehow the Gremlin ties the Camaro every time they race despite record-setting times by the Camaro. You can say “look at that time the Camaro put up! I’ve got to buy me a Camaro, it’s just too fast to pass up!” but since we all know the Gremlin was able to do the same thing despite being vastly outmatched, your statement doesn’t really carry the same weight.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Jan 28, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
OU is the only one of those 3 schools (QBs) that could even remotely pace UF’s recruiting.
That is what I’m talking about. You are basing this on talent around the QB and I referenced 2 examples of great recruiting that led to nothing.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
there are plenty of teams in the history of College ball
that didn’t win the national title.
My point is that it’s a whole hell of a lot easier to blow up the world when someone hands you the explosives and says “have fun!” But when you’re given raw chemicals and told “once you combine all of this in the right mixture, you can blow shit up!” your chance of success…. uh… drops off a bit, to say the least.
In other words, having a team stocked to the brim with 4 star recruits won’t win you the national championship on its own but it’ll sure make it much easier to do.
J.Russ is a good example of this. Coming out of college he was touted as a “can’t-miss” prospect. What happened when his star receivers were gone? He tanked so hard Oakland still hasn’t recovered. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Tebow is the next Jamarcus but what I AM saying is that QBs with that many problems mechanically have an overwhelmingly large chance of being a product of their system and the talent around them rather than the talent within.
Take Tebow out of his system and away from the WRs he’s had years to become comfortable with and his chances of success drop rapidly.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
They also receive more money to pay for things like training equipment and programs.
And players.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
That's a bullshit argument
Look at the number of Superbrowl trophies Jim McMahon lifted compared to Dan Marino. Was McMahon a better quarterback? Hell no, he just played for a better team.
The same can be said for Tebow. He’s NOT a great quarterback. He’s a great option quarterback who had a perfect system built around him.
look at the real numbers
and that would be Wins and Losses…..Tebow was the man in college.
still not before the 4th
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Jan 28, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Career QB rating
Tim Tebow broke the all-time record and ended up at 170 point something. Sam Bradford topped him with 175.
You decide who is better.
OK...the Koolaid buzz is gone now. I'm forced to admit that the state of the team had deteriorated far beyond what I had realized. The good news is I get to start mixing up a fresh batch of koolaid for next year. Oh Yeah!
you are a homer...
so am i.. todd could be good
by Lucasjr5 on Jan 28, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Tebow maybe the best college player in history
But alas, his mechanics are as bad as Leftwich’s. Tebow would make the O-Line look worse. Complaints about Thigpen not being able to take a snap from center? Tebow is worse at that too. If we could get him in the 6th or 7th round, I am all for it. He would be a project that at the very least could do some wild cat things and play a little FB, TE or H-back. The Jesus stuff I find annoying, but I don’t hate him for it. Love Kurt Warner as a QB wish he didn’t preach. My only question is: Will Tebow be available to play in Sunday games?
by bonesjackson on Jan 29, 2010 1:10 AM CST up reply actions
I'll give you that he has been a great college player
but best in college history? That’s a stretch.
by u2nspenserfan on Jan 28, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
name another
who had more impact, not on just a school, or conference, but the whole nation……I will wait
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Jan 28, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Tim Tebow did NOT
have ‘an impact on the whole nation’ wait all you want.
That statement is PURE HYPE.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Jan 28, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The whole nation?
really?
I believe you forgot your sarcasm font sir.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Don't you know?
Him and Jesus have a weekly conference call where they talk football and fix the nations problems.
That’s why the economy is fixed, the Haitians are saved, and the war is over.
Thanks Tebow!
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
How did we get on the subject of Obama?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Jan 28, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Unless Obama is Jesus
I’m not sure where you got that from.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Thats all I have heard him say
economy is fixed, the Haitians are saved, and the war is over
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
good point
Maybe Obama is Jesus afterall
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
LOL I shouldnt have said anything....politics...yuk
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
haha yeah
I steer clear of politics…they force me to be serious
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Id rather argue about .........TEBOW! lmao
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
maybe
But I think more likely is that your love for college ball and tebow himself is blinding you.
The things he is amazing at are the things that don’t work at the NFL level.
If we do draft him and he ends up being good then I’ll eat my words, but until then the burden of proof isn’t on me. All you can tell me is that his college stats were great. I counter with college stats in themselves don’t translate to sucess int he pros. Can you argue that?
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Ok so Tebow is the greatest?
What about?
-Danny Wuerffel
-Tommie Frazier
-Ken Dorsey
-Ty Detmer
-Charlie Ward
Look at any top 10 list and all these guys will be on them…how many of them panned out? ZEROOOO!!!!
Do they have these
2× First-team All-American (2007, 2008)
1× Second-team All-American (2009)
3× First-team All-SEC (2007, 2008, 2009)
AP Player of the Year (2007)
Davey O’Brien Award (2007)
Harley Award (2007)
2× Maxwell Award (2007, 2008)
Heisman Trophy (2007)
2× ESPY Award for Best Male College Athlete (2008, 2009)
NCAA QB of the Year (2007)
Sporting News Player of the Year (2007)
Manning Award (2008)
SEC Male Athlete of the Year (2007)
SEC Offensive Player of the Year (2008, 2009)
SEC Scholar-Athlete of the Year (2008)
William V. Campbell Trophy (2009)
Lowe’s Senior CLASS Award (2009)
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 28, 2010 4:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Can you tell me how that means anything?
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
You're kidding right?
Look no further than Lowe’s Senior CLASS Award.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
The only thing more lame than mock draft's is the sarcasm font.
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
oh damn
I guess i stopped reading before i saw that
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
by Jux on Jan 28, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahahaha
that might be one of the funniest comments ever in a very understated way
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
My kids get trophies for participation too
I guess they should QB the Chiefs
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Mr. Cassel?????
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
Didn't more than a few of those
not exist when guys like Charlie Ward, Roger Staubach, Sammy Baugh, Archie Manning, Davey O’Brien, etc… played ball, subsequently making them ineligible to receive an award that was named after them?
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Some other great QBs
Jason White
Andre Ware
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
nice list
Now lets write down all the things on that list that apply to success in the NFL:
1) …. hmm….
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Do they have these
2× First-team All-American (2007, 2008)
1× Second-team All-American (2009)
3× First-team All-SEC (2007, 2008, 2009)
AP Player of the Year (2007)
Davey O’Brien Award (2007)
Harley Award (2007)
2× Maxwell Award (2007, 2008)
Heisman Trophy (2007)
2× ESPY Award for Best Male College Athlete (2008, 2009)
NCAA QB of the Year (2007)
Sporting News Player of the Year (2007)
Manning Award (2008)
SEC Male Athlete of the Year (2007)
SEC Offensive Player of the Year (2008, 2009)
SEC Scholar-Athlete of the Year (2008)
William V. Campbell Trophy (2009)
Lowe’s Senior CLASS Award (2009)
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 28, 2010 4:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if we pick tim tebow up
With any pick I might b checking my chief credentials at the door and take a flight to kc to kick some ass no way we make that move.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Jan 28, 2010 4:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
He's the 29th rated passer this year in the NCAA
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT
1 Case Keenum, QB HOU 700 492 70.3 5671 8.1 58 44 15 16 154.8
2 Levi Brown, QB TROY 504 321 63.7 4254 8.4 70 23 9 24 146.1
3 Tyler Sheehan, QB BGSU 575 373 64.9 4052 7.0 59 27 7 29 137.1
4 Jimmy Clausen, QB ND 425 289 68.0 3722 8.8 88 28 4 24 161.4
5 Ryan Mallett, QB ARK 403 225 55.8 3627 9.0 83 30 7 24 152.5
6 Todd Reesing, QB KU 496 313 63.1 3616 7.3 74 22 10 31 134.9
7 Blaine Gabbert, QB MIZZ 445 262 58.9 3593 8.1 84 24 9 19 140.5
8 Jerrod Johnson, QB TA&M 497 296 59.6 3579 7.2 70 30 8 27 136.7
9 Max Hall, QB BYU 409 275 67.2 3560 8.7 80 33 14 22 160.1
10 Kellen Moore, QB BSU 431 277 64.3 3536 8.2 67 39 3 5 161.7
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT
11 Colt McCoy, QB TEX 470 332 70.6 3521 7.5 88 27 12 30 147.4
12 Taylor Potts, QB TTU 470 309 65.7 3440 7.3 79 22 13 15 137.1
13 Dan LeFevour, QB CMU 456 318 69.7 3438 7.5 82 28 7 17 150.3
14 Mike Kafka, QB NW 492 319 64.8 3430 7.0 66 16 12 27 129.3
15 Jacory Harris, QB MIA 406 242 59.6 3352 8.3 69 24 17 34 140.1
16 Thaddeus Lewis, QB DUKE 449 274 61.0 3330 7.4 74 20 8 25 134.5
17 Trevor Vittatoe, QB UTEP 409 224 54.8 3308 8.1 80 17 13 22 130.1
18 Sean Canfield, QB ORST 446 303 67.9 3271 7.3 87 21 7 26 141.9
19 Tim Hiller, QB WMU 514 309 60.1 3258 6.3 73 23 13 24 123.1
20 Landry Jones, QB OKLA 449 261 58.1 3198 7.1 67 26 14 12 130.8
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT
21 Riley Skinner, QB WAKE 400 264 66.0 3160 7.9 80 25 12 28 147.0
22 Ryan Lindley, QB SDSU 437 239 54.7 3054 7.0 78 23 16 15 123.4
23 Russell Wilson, QB NCST 378 224 59.3 3027 8.0 80 31 11 30 147.8
24 Joey Elliott, QB PUR 433 267 61.7 3026 7.0 67 22 13 19 131.1
25 Daryll Clark, QB PSU 381 232 60.9 3003 7.9 79 24 10 15 142.6
26 Patrick Pinkney, QB ECU 440 259 58.9 2948 6.7 59 15 12 13 120.9
27 Ben Chappell, QB IND 428 268 62.6 2941 6.9 56 17 15 15 126.4
28 Nathan Enderle, QB IDHO 312 192 61.5 2906 9.3 73 22 9 20 157.3
29 Tim Tebow, QB FLA 314 213 67.8 2895 9.2 80 21 5 29 164.2
30 Diondre Borel, QB USU 366 214 58.5 2885 7.9 85 17 4 31 137.8
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT
31 Stephen Garcia, QB SCAR 432 239 55.3 2862 6.6 80 17 10 37 119.3
32 Kevin Riley, QB CAL 382 209 54.7 2850 7.5 61 18 8 30 128.7
33 Jonathan Crompton, QB TENN 384 224 58.3 2800 7.3 51 27 13 18 136.0
Jake Locker, QB WASH 395 230 58.2 2800 7.1 51 21 11 28 129.7
35 Dwight Dasher, QB MTU 399 219 54.9 2789 7.0 80 23 14 17 125.6
36 Andy Dalton, QB TCU 323 199 61.6 2756 8.5 75 23 8 12 151.8
37 Matt Barkley, QB USC 352 211 59.9 2735 7.8 75 15 14 17 131.3
38 G.J. Kinne, QB TLSA 345 210 60.9 2732 7.9 63 22 10 44 142.6
39 Christian Ponder, QB FSU 330 227 68.8 2717 8.2 98 14 7 15 147.7
40 Scott Tolzien, QB WIS 328 211 64.3 2705 8.2 80 16 11 21 143.0
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by cpa913 on Jan 28, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Who cares?
None of them won the Lowe Senior CLASS Award.
by Nick Britt on Jan 28, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How do you win the Lowe Senior CLASS Award
Being the 29th best passer in the nation???
Maybe he’s overhyped (whisper font)because he likes to advertise JC
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or he’s hyped because he’s a very athletic player (not a great qb) that has been schooling the SEC for awhile.
There are more non believers than believers in the United States….so that can’t be the reason for the hype
Source?
Because last I checked something like 75% of America was self-labeled as Christian.
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Because it's 83%
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/beliefnet_poll_010718.html
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It was in 2007
according to the CIA’s “World Factbook” : “Protestant 51.3%, Roman Catholic 23.9%, Mormon 1.7%, other Christian 1.6%, Jewish 1.7%, Buddhist 0.7%, Muslim 0.6%, other or unspecified 2.5%, unaffiliated 12.1%, none 4% (2007 est.)”
Cpa’s stats are from 2002 I think.
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You mean its declining?!
Wooohooo!!
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Still loosing techinically
But definitely making moves for a comeback
if only everyone would watch zeitgeist….
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
WTF is that supposed to mean?
Winning? Losing?
Umm.. It’s not a contest. There won’t be trophys or cookies handed out at the end.
Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want.
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by Texas Chief on Jan 28, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
SOME people believe there will be trophies
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
And I'd bet money
that Case Keenum, Ryan Mallett, Todd Reesing, Max Hall, and Jerrod Johnson all meant a lot more to their teams than Tebow did to his star-studded “supporting” cast.
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If by that you mean reesing did great his sophmore year for the jayhawks then slowly slid into mediocrity and bad decisions.
His Senior year was freaking terrible but hey we padded his stats by playing 6 terrible teams to start the year. Reesing was amazing his sophmore year after that he showed immaturity in reading a defense both pre snap and during a play. And he showed what happens when you try to make a run first QB read defense and react with passes.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Jan 28, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
Even as a senior
his season QB rating was 135 and during both his Jr and Sr season he had a 148 rating (145 as a freshman but he didn’t really play much).
He had a better completion % this year than he did as a sophomore (63.1 compared to 61.8 and 66.5 as a Jr, a season you ignored), his YPA stayed consistent between 7.3 and 7.9, and he had 3616 yds as a Sr. compared to 3486 and 3888 as a So. and Jr. respectively. 11k career yds, 90 career TDs and only 33 INTs (with 3 of them coming as a Fr.) as well as a serious threat to pick up good yards on the ground if opposing Ds don’t keep him honest.
I dunno about you but I’d hardly consider any of those numbers “mediocre” for a 5’10 200lb (and both of those #s are a stretch) QB on a team that had been the laughing stock of the division, and to some extent, the whole NCAA when it came to football for the last 50 years (ignoring the couple years in the mid-90s where we weren’t totally horrible).
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In case anyone was thinking about grabbing Diondre Borel
Now we know to get Tebow instead.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
His QB rating is higher than anyone of the 28 ranked above him.
Strange that the poster doesn’t include his record for most rushing TD’s in SEC history. Umm, who’s record was that?……… Herschel Walkers’. Those guys ranked higher could’nt carry Tebows jock!
Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain
It's like saying any QB Mike Leach has ever coached
will be a pro-bowler every year he’s in the league just because he put up gawdy numbers in college.
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It's the NFL draft though
not some weird College Draft. Todd Reesing put up obscene numbers in his career at Kansas that compare favorably to a lot of pro QBs but I’m not spamming every news outlet and forum with “draft Reesing” propaganda now am I? Reason being, I understand that he has limitations that will almost assuredly preclude him from being drafted. They’re not the same ones Tebow has but they’ve both got problems you can’t really fix (height can be coached and things like throwing mechanics, footwork, progressions, reads, etc… are difficult to fix in the short-term).
Who cares that he was a winner in College? It doesn’t make him the “best QB in college history” nor does it make him an insta-pro or even prove his potential for future success. If he were going on to compete against other college-caliber players (ie: CFL, UFL, etc…) then I’d say he’s guaranteed to set records but he’s not, he’s going on to compete against the best of the NFL.
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ahhhh, i dont know about that
Imho, you have to consider Tommie Frazier in the same breath. But I would gladly agree he is one of the best all time.
That said, I think Tebow is an amazing kid, and would love to have him in KC. Both as a person and as a player, but I do not think he will be there for us to get in the 3rd-4th.
by jakethesnake27 on Jan 28, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yes and no
He statistically isn’t good out of an under-center QB, and has little experience at it. In recent workouts, he has struggled mightily with getting the ball from the center, fumbling the snap on a regular basis. His footwork isn’t just bad when passing, it’s Jamarcus Russell level awful. When he’s on, he makes good throws and decisions. When he’s off, he throws wobbly floaters, doesn’t get himself set, and forces throws.
At Florida, he had some of the best talent at that level around him. He will not, at least right away, if he were to come to the Chiefs. He will not be able to run the option consistently, particularly with his concussion issue.
All of those are warning signs to pro teams. The one thing he’s got over guys like JaMarcus and Ryan Leaf is an unquestionable work ethic, and he may be able to turn himself into an NFL quarterback with good coach and that hard work.
I personally am so tired of the media love affair with him that it makes me wanna puke. That’s not really his fault though, and I’m interested to see how he does as a pro.
by u2nspenserfan on Jan 28, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
If his throwing motion and reads are that bad, how did he achieve such greatness in his career. He is dead accurate when he is on.
J. Russell
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD INT RAT
2004 LSU (9-3) 73 144 50.7 1053 7.3 9 4 127.2
2005 LSU (11-2) 188 311 60.5 2443 7.9 15 9 136.6
2006 LSU (11-2) 232 342 67.8 3129 9.1 28 8 167
Tim Tebow
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD INT RAT
2006 Florida (13-1) 22 33 66.7 358 10.8 5 1 129.8
2007 Florida (9-4) 234 350 66.9 3286 9.4 32 6 120.2
2008 Florida (13-1) 192 298 64.4 2746 9.2 30 4 122.1
2009 Florida (13-1) 213 314 67.8 2895 9.2 21 5 112.7
It looks to me like Tebow and Russell had about the same stats in College and Russell can barely read a book much less a defense. I know its not fair to compare the two as far as players – Tebow is a professional and a better leader but Russell looked like the real deal but if your talking about reading the defense and throwing mechanics they are pretty close. This just shows you can have a great college career that won’t translate into a Pro career. Yes Tebow has the rushing yards that Russell doesn’t so a 4th or 5th rounder you have to take him any earlier than that its a wasted pick.
I dont think you can compare Tebow and Russel simply from the fact that
Tebow HAS a will to win.
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Russel HAS a will to eat.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
And salary cap.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
It's JUST as unfair to state that his bad mechanics don't amount to anything because he was good in college
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WTF does this mean????
Tebow HAS a will to win.
by bonesjackson on Jan 29, 2010 1:13 AM CST up reply actions
I can't figure out what the point to your post is
The title sounds like you LIKE Tebow and then the ending sounds like you’re saying Tebow will flop because of the analog drawn between him and Russell.
In any case, his mechanics/reads/etc… weren’t a problem in college because of athletic mismatches (which is the name of the game in the NCAA, recruiting wins because better players will usually win out over a better scheme or better execution of that scheme). He won’t have those in the NFL and he’ll have a lot of passes batted down at the line, interceptions from bad accuracy/ugly passes, and his rushing will be lackluster because he’s about as mobile as Trent Green was.
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I'm still struggling with the statement "he is dead accurate when he's on"
Well… duh!
I have no dog in this fight about Tebow… but I am a dead accurate passer when I’m “on,” too. Trouble is, it’s only about once in every 117 throws.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
for me its once every 117 years!
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The answer is because it is college
There are awesome option QBs that won a lot of trophy that couldn’t play a down in the NFL.
by bonesjackson on Jan 29, 2010 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
I don't bag on him because I don't like him, I bag on him because the media makes him something he's not.
He has a really good team around him and somehow all they talk about is him. People just eat it up. Don’t let cbs talk you into this one.
Good post, still don't like the guy.
If we drafted him in a lower round and he ended up being productive and an “it” player in the NFL, I’d be happy with the call.
But if we draft him high or low and he never amounts to anything I’ll have extra hatred towards the move because of my personal biases.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
if we draft tebow, i'll be forced to root for him
but i absolutely hate his guts, and i hope we don’t. i don’t think we have to worry, i’m sure the raiders will spend their first pick on him.
raiders will not draft tebow
he doesnt run fast enough for al davis
by KCmoFANfoSHO on Jan 28, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Plus
he’s too nice. Al likes nasty players.
by u2nspenserfan on Jan 28, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Really? There isn't anything else to put on the front page...
He will be next to Eric Crouch shaking hands for a living unless he accepts that he won’t be a QB in the NFL.
Bad post!
by Baldock1 on Jan 28, 2010 4:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Question: Would he have gone earlier in last years draft?
by motrepip on Jan 28, 2010 4:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
would rather take a chance on bradford at 5
then draft tebow in the second
If he drops to our 2b pick....Tebow is a KC Chief!!
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by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Jan 28, 2010 4:21 PM CST reply actions
I hope we are all wrong but
I really don’t think he will be successful in the NFL. I know I know dead horse. Now maybe if we draft him as a fullback….
It would be a bad move for ANYONE to draft him before the latter half of the 2nd
but for the Chiefs to do it would be just absurd. I’m not kidding, he would be the first chiefs player EVER (yes, ever) to hear me boo his name. I didn’t even boo LJ despite arguing for his release for the last 2 years and I would boo for Tebow just to show my discontent with the pick.
Normally I like your posts Matt but this one is just beyond belief. I’m literally shocked that you are able to include 3 of the biggest drawbacks to Tebow in your post and then STILL argue in favor of taking him regardless of where it is in the draft. For KC (and anyone else, for that matter, imo) drafting Tebow would be the mistake of a lifetime and would be wasting a valuable opportunity to make this franchise better.
I don’t see any way for Tebow to become a top flight QB before Cassel does, if it’s even possible in the first place. His mechanics and other physical problems are just too much of a problem to take him before the 3rd (and I wouldn’t take him at all, for the record).
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I heard a scout on the radio say
that with his slow underhand delivery, that it takes so long for him to throw the ball, and that the defenders at the senior bowl could easily swipe it out of his hands, that he would need a pocket the size of the on deck circle at Royals stadium.
With our Offensive line, are you kidding me? It’s not going to happen.
Pioli is not that stupid.
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And on a second thought
I’m really getting tired of everyone bitching about people who don’t like tebow. What was the point of this whole post? You list out all the reasons that we wouldn’t get him, don’t argue any of them, and just express your man love for him because he was succesfull in college.
How is ignoring reasons why we won’t draft him but still front paging posts about him any different from hating him for obscure or personal reasons?
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by Jux on Jan 28, 2010 4:21 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
thank you
I was about to post a reply to yours agreeing with how you said it!
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
something about “great minds,” you all know the rest
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by JHWK on Jan 28, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
For fuck sakes
Who hired this guy?
…It’s a shame Danny Wuerfel still isn’t in college. Can never have too many good QB’s.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 4:25 PM CST reply actions
i really like tebow but he is not an everydown qb. with the wildcat more teams are willing to use rotate the qb out for a play or two. look at his year where he rotated with cris leak that was my favorite tebow year and thats how i would use him.
the texas tech qbs always put up big numbers + they are not nfl starting qbs. the only thing that tbow has going for him is his character + toughness
I think that in the NFL you can have the greatest character in the world...
…. but if you can’t make plays, or mess up too much to be consistently successful, then no one is really gonna listen to you. You can’t lead the team if you’re the 43rd best player on game day.
But...
If Tebow becomes one of the all-time greats, while Cassel continues to wallow in mediocraty…it’ll be like 1983 all over again.
And it could happen. Because the truth is, nobody knows if he’ll make it in the NFL. Nobody. Sometimes you just have to take the chance on a guy.
Cassel has proven he can do it
Huge difference there.
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So a major project would do better?
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Maybe...
He could be "in training" for a year or two? What if Cassel flops in the next couple of years? What if he gets hurt? Do we want Croyle as "the man"?
Cassel may turn out to be great. But, I wouldn’t mind having a back-up plan.
Snead would be a backup plan
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 28, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Snead would be a CFL backup plan.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
Do you have a side on this?
Tony Pike
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 28, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Tony Pike will be hangin' with Graham Harrell next year....
…or on the Browns.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
But to answer your question....
…I wouldn’t be hurt if Tebow was on this team but the fact is he will be going much too high for my taste. Get him in a later round, 4th or 3rd AT BEST, and I wouldn’t complain.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
I'll complain if we use anything before 6th round
KC has A LOT of needs, they should use EVERY pick wisely. I’d rather see then use the 4th & 5th round picks on developmental guys in other areas of need, not Tebow for QB.
by Wheatboy74 on Jan 28, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want it either but I could live with that scenario.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
Locker would be better`
and I don’t even like Locker, he’s just better than Jevan Snead and a MUCH better option than Tebow if we’re really that dead set on finding another backup for Cassel.
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Cassel's mechanics are 10000x better than Tebow's
I mean seriously, have you seen the guy throw?
And don’t even compare him to Philip Rivers….Rivers is way more accurate. Slowest release I have ever seen.
His passes look like ducks that've been dead at least a week
I made a conscious effort to not watch UF play during the regular season and just saw them play on highlight reels or bowl games. As a result, I knew his passing was shaky from what I had seen but in the Draft prep this year I’ve begun to really pay attention to his form and whatnot, it’s absolutely atrocious. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a guy that throws a pass as ugly as Tebow’s be considered for more than a UDFA or 6/7th rounder at best.
It’s shocking, really.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
(for fear of being lambasted and losing any credibility I did have as a writer here at AP)
You just did. Tebow is a major project at the NFL level.
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Passively comparing Tebow to Manning and Brady?
WOW….now I have seen it all
Brady has the best mechanics in the game, and Peyton Manning is not far behind.
Peyton is the best in the game at READING THE DEFENSE….something Tim Tebow has NEVER….NEVER….NEVER done!!!
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 4:35 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
I 2nd
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by cpa913 on Jan 28, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
4th'ed
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by JHWK on Jan 28, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I guess me too....
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 28, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Cassel has good character, works at his game constantly (as Haley said himself)
and has proven his durability this year and the possibility to take us to the next level as he did for New England in 2008. Why are we even discussing this ? endlessly
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And don't tell me he is saving himself for marriage
when he is prancing through the garden with her…
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by Patrick Allen on Jan 28, 2010 4:39 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Too bad it didn't!
and Pat, you are correct. No way in hell he’s willing to (try to) fill everyone else up with his salvation and not her.
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Pink trimmed leather swimming trunks?
Really?
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
He better be careful
people might think he is gay!
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by Patrick Allen on Jan 28, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not really impressed to be honest.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
I'd make a few small improvements to her facial area
but that’s about it
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And some major improvements to the lower cheek region.
(and she is displaying her small improvements…. still not impressed)
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
yeah, that's where I was aiming
her lower cheek/jawline is strange for some reason.
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Why Tebow won't make it in the NFL
1. Poor mechanics
2. Slow release
3. Weak arm
4, Has never read a defense
5. Has never gone through a progression
6. Never played in a pro-style offense
by Nick Britt on Jan 28, 2010 4:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
If we are going to draft Tebow we should have just kept Thigpen. He is probably a little bit better of a passer and is 100% less annoying.
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by Patrick Allen on Jan 28, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'd love to have Tebow
but only if it was in the mid rounds.. If the guy falls that far than I say draft him.
I think it depends on your definition of "luxury"
because I don’t consider a media-whore with mediocre skills (by NFL standards) a “luxury,” but maybe that’s just me.
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Come on Matt Conner
You started this so join the party!!
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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 28, 2010 4:45 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Cassel may not pan out
So expect Pioli to try to find a couple gems in the later rounds while they are still giving Matt a shot.
He may find his Brady, but Brady Tebow is not.
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couldn't have said it better
I think someone WILL take a risk on Tebow and get him in the 1st couple of rounds, but that’s a team that needs a QB a lot worse than we do.
Jacksonville or he won't go in the first round
by Nick Britt on Jan 28, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
If we want a developmental QB, grab Canfield or Pike…not Tebow.
My question is:
How many here would just abandon the Chiefs if we did draft him with the first pick? I am ok with drafting him wherever. I believe he is a winner and has the “Right Stuff” to make those around him winners, whatever position he plays.
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by Lanier63 on Jan 28, 2010 4:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I said it yesterday
Clark Hunt could fire Pioli & staff, rehire Carl Peterson to take over football operations and I wouldn’t nearly question my loyalty to the Chiefs as much if we drafted Tebow. Yuck.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
I dont think you would abandon us Shuffle!
or da Chiefs!
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I know, I know
it’s the BBQ that keeps me coming back.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Cornerbacks would eat him alive!!!!
Did anyone watch the bowl game Tebow played in this year? Did anyone hear both Jimmy Johnson and Brian Billick comment on his slow delivery? Did you not hear Billick talk about how much more talented, and how much faster, NFL D-backs are than in college? They slowed down his throwing motions a couple of times, and analyzed his long, slow, and low release. These are legitimate concerns, and most of the NFL coaches and scouts feel this way!! He is going to struggle, because by the time Tebow releases the football the cornerbacks and safeties will already be halfway to an INT!! Why do you think so many scouts, analysts, and coaches talk about QB’s and their quick release. It’s important!! Tebow’s is not only not fast….It’s incredibly slow.
And everything I’ve heard about the Senior Bowl practices from last week and this week say he’s trying to release the ball quicker, and throw with more velocity…and he’s struggling mightily!! Why in the world would you want him. Yes, he had a great college career…but it won’t translate! These NFL people usually know what they’re talking about!!!!
I carry a lighter around in my pocket wherever I go...I don't smoke, I just really like certain songs.
there is now way we pick tebow
And the first reason starts by the name of broken and ends with croyal. That guy blows away tobone and there is no way pioli wastes a pick on a guy that would b third string at best.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Jan 28, 2010 4:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions
He ain't going anywhere
unless someone wants to pony up some picks. He grew on Haley and I imagine he wants him to stick around
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
According to Haley, Croyle is part of the "nucleus"
You know what happens when you disrupt the nucleus?
Nuclear fission
by Nick Britt on Jan 28, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, if he's better than Tebow ...
Then wouldn’t the argument be that you give the Chiefs whatever pick you would’ve spent on Tebow to get the better QB?
If Pioli could squeeze out
a 4th rounder for Croyle I’d call it a day’s work. 3rd would be highway robbery; which he’s already wanted for in Atlanta.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
The only thing more lame than mock draft's is the sarcasm font.
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Damn this is becoming an "game day" type of open thread!
look at all the comments on one player. If he’s that bad, why is their so much passion about him on both sides? There is something to this young man.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
This actually proves Tebow is a polarizing figure and will be for a long time.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
by BigRedChief on Jan 28, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This was a nasty shock value post orchestrated by Joel
which he pawned off on Connor. Dirty tricks, I tell ya.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
The only thing more lame than mock draft's is the sarcasm font.
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah his "intangibles"
The autistic kid across the street has top-notch intagibles, does that mean I want the Chiefs to draft him?
by Nick Britt on Jan 28, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
What round?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
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by Lanier63 on Jan 28, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Lol
I don’t know what’s funnier – Nick Britt’s setup or your closer. Nice work gentlemen.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
We'll be here every night through the week!
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Because a lot of people seem to either irrationally love him or irrationally hate him
Personally, as a non-believer who has a strong enough identity and committment to my own ethos, he doesn’t challenge me or piss me off in the same fashion he seems to a lot of people with similar atheism/agnosticism. Is he a little pious for my tastes? Yeah, I can’t say I’d be his close friend. But the hatred for the man based on his beliefs is ridiculous. So he wants to spread his message? So what? He’s not doing it out of spite or contempt, but out of love and compassion. You don’t have to agree with the man, you don’t have to listen to the man, you don’t even have to like him, but you don’t need to hate him. That sort of thing shows the same level of closed-mindedness and intolerance that my generally atheistic allies so often accuse christians of.
The other end is the people so enamoured with who he is as a person and a role model that they fail to recognize that his particular skill set is fairly limited when it comes to pro football. And I;m talking about smart football people too, they just get the blinders up and pitch the tent when the syllables T-Bo go through their internal monologue. They cite his hard work, his leadership, and his phenomenal collegiate career as evidence that he will be the next great pro. But they forget to look at the mechanics, the schemes, the progressions, the footwork… all the other things they would look at with other QBs. They elevate intangibles above tangibles.
These are mutually reinforcing behaviors: the more the haters hate, the more the lovers love, and vice versa. Personally, put my in the rare camp of pagans that actually dig the guy and think he’s a pretty stand-up human being but wouldn’t “see the light” no matter how much scripture he tattooed in my brain. He’s dedicated and I think intelligent, and I think that makes him a worthwhile project player for the right team, but I sincerely doubt that project would ever turn out well.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
by Sudden on Jan 28, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Brodie - Tebow...Brodie - Tebow...Brodie - Tebow...Brodie - Tebow
I say lets put em in the MMA ring and beat the hell out of each other and keep the one standing!
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Tebow would ground and pound the shit out of Brokie "TinFoil" Croyle.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
That's a tebow argument I can agree with
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
finally I win one guy over! lol
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
I think that was a fixed fight though.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
i base it off the hotter girls friend lanier
I’m more stuck on that.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Jan 28, 2010 5:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Im gonna come work with you one day!
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Best post on here
And it’s not even close.
So here's my conclusion after all these comments.
Pro-draft-Tebow guy= “He was awesome in college”
Anti=“He was the 29th ranked passer, but good at the option and running and that doesn’t translate to sucess in the nfl”
Pro=“Soooooooooooo!”
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Remind me to never go into a Tebow post again
I love guys who have never seen him play badmouthing him. It’s a fucking shame.
I hope you guys feel better about yourself by knocking someone else down.
Ohhh Brett...One more year! One more year! One more year!
Superbowl Prediction - Colts 41 Saints 23
by craig in calgary on Jan 28, 2010 5:05 PM CST reply actions
Everyday.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
OK my turn,
ya’ll can take pot shots at me….
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Is that a gun in your pocket or do you just have a Tebow-ner?
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
by BigRedChief on Jan 28, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
IM old and white Big red...
you wouldnt notice anything in my pockets…lmao My wife sure doesnt!
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Jan 28, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Surely she could spot a tic-tac in your pocket if you wore spandex.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
You think I haven't seen him play?
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Who are we talking about?
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
Wait.
Isn’t this the trade for Jamarcus Russel thread?
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
will AL come with him to be our GM?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
And they can ride in on unicorns. Only in dreams.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
Let's get real
Our O-line can’t make a pocket the size of an infield to protect him from his underarm throwing motion. He’s not a good fit here.
Pay heed all who enter, beware of the Phog...Rock Chalk Jayhawk, KU
Because it's more entertaining than updating my 4,765th version of a mock draft
Certainly do
when all you have to say back is “You’ve never watched him play” and bring zero argument as to why he should get drafted by anyone, not just the Chiefs.
These posts are pretty pointless, it’s like asking about abortion. People are generally for or against it, and there’s really no inbetween.
What gets me riled up about this is despite all the things that are going to make him a seemingly bad NFL player as a QB, people seem to absolutely not care two shits about. It’s ridiculous.
Hail to the king, baby.
Never go into a Tebow Post...
It is a shame….Tim is a good kid, but is lacking in terms of his Quarterbacking skills.
and because of it his character starts taking hits instead of the issues of his throwing mechanics.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 28, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Id rather be talking about tits...
wheres that post?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
He has Moobs like Pioli?
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 28, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Wait .....what?......where did.....hmmmm
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Me three!.... Wait me too!
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
whos three then?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
THE CHICKS MAN!
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
Who is attacking his charector?
Let’s get this straight, If you on’t want to draft tebow you’re attacking his character?
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
You
That’s religion for you.
Makes you an instant hypocrite
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Jan 28, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
That wasn't about tebow
That was about Matt
Wrong again
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Jux, your just a hater
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Jan 28, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
It's my dog given right.
Ooops, meant god. same diff
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Enjoy ruffling feathers for no reason other than your own amusement, do you?
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
He called me a douche in another thread
and is putting words in my mouth in this one.
But yeah, sometimes its great fun.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Sounds like he may have been right.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
oh and
I love guys who have never seen him play badmouthing him. It’s a fucking shame.
I hope you guys feel better about yourself by knocking someone else down.
Kiss kiss, love you too. And yes it feels great actually.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
I wouldn't jump to conclusions
And I believe that those are all good arguments to make (besides the last one, actually). The Chiefs probably will choose a linebacker, o-lineman, safety, wide receiver, etc. with those first few picks. And Tim Tebow definitely won’t be waiting in round six or seven for us to pick up when we’re finished shopping “for what we really need.” So let’s be honest, the Chiefs will not be choosing Tim Tebow in this year’s draft.
Nothing about Pioli suggests to me that he’s a “need first” drafter…we didn’t “need” Alex Magee, or Donald Washington (obviously, based on how much they saw the field). If Tebow is there when our name is called, and he’s the highest rated player on our board, Pioli will draft him
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
+1
But Magee and Washington imo were guys he felt were at a position of need, and were the BPA at those positions.
The interview they had with Tebow at the Senior Bowl was more like turning over of every stone.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 28, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Well it's pretty clear we didn't "need" either of those guys
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I'm not sure about that, since we did switch to a 30 defense this year
and TAmba was moved to LB, and Tank was shipped off to Carolina. Turk was also flat out released. In Pioli’s mind I think they were desperately in a position of need.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 28, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Magee was a pick of “need”. We were switching schemes and we needed lineman to fill out the front 3.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
And to clarify
I don’t think Tebow would be rated highly on Pioli’s board, I was just pointing out that Pioli goes the BPA each pick (like other GM’s who don’t have their heads up their asses)
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Yep he went BPA with Jackson oh snap.
Jackson was at a position of need not the best player available. I am a Jackson fan and i think he will be every bit as good as Ty Warren if not somewhere in between him and Seymour just give him time. But Pioli has shown time and time again he will reach for need. Examples sight: Logan Mankins, Ty Warren, Richard Seymour, Tom Brady,
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Jan 28, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?
with or without Tebow?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Well said Lanier
Pay heed all who enter, beware of the Phog...Rock Chalk Jayhawk, KU
Because it's more entertaining than updating my 4,765th version of a mock draft
Yes
yes we should :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 28, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Tebow sucks
Florida’s offense was a spread option with lots of stupid handoffs to slot recievers. He in no way will be an effective pro QB. stick with Croyle before going to Tebow.
by Tyler Thigpen on Jan 28, 2010 5:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Awesome take. You are a brilliant football mind.
Ohhh Brett...One more year! One more year! One more year!
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by craig in calgary on Jan 28, 2010 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
He is Tyler Thigpen
Hello
Pay heed all who enter, beware of the Phog...Rock Chalk Jayhawk, KU
Because it's more entertaining than updating my 4,765th version of a mock draft
where did he learn all that?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Realstically...
I just don’t see it happening. As much as I like him, I don’t think that he’s going to be around for us to grab. Right now SI has him at late first early second, And we have players that we need a lot more who will be likely rated higher on the priority chain than Tebow.
by BetterRedThanDead on Jan 28, 2010 5:19 PM CST reply actions
We're talking Tebow here, nothing is realistic! Get with the program.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
by BigRedChief on Jan 28, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If ya'll are being realistic, Im leaving
I have fantasy’s to think about!
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Furthermore....
If his release is so awful, How much time do you really want to invest in him, considering the implications of Cassell’s contract? I’d rather see money tied up in positions of obvious need. No deal unless it’s round 3 or later.
by BetterRedThanDead on Jan 28, 2010 5:25 PM CST reply actions
Ok someone said all the idiots had to leave this conversation....
so I’ll see you guys later!
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
I think Conner should
be banned for this post………
i almost threw up after loading up AP today……. Timmy Tebow ….
…. get the fuck outta here with that bullshit…
….still dying of laughter
…. good try Matt …
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!
by bouzi on Jan 28, 2010 5:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
No way
If Cassel cant be good for us then Tebow cant either.
I actually agree with you that Tebow would be a great pick
but you didn’t bring up the main reasons why. Taking him based on the belief that ‘you can never have enough QBs’ is wrong.
I think Tebow is a great football player. Who knows if he’s a great NFL QB necessarily, but he’s just a guy that I want on my team because he’s a winner and players respect him.
He’s probabaly one of the most popular college players to ever come out of college. If he never ends up being a starting QB, I think he can be a damn good backup, teammate, and he could probably help out somewhere else too. He wouldn’t compain about being one either. If placed on the right team (and the Chiefs may not be it), I believe he can learn and become a solid QB in the future.
tebow
can he bring urman meyer with him i hope he goes to oakland
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by j-man on Jan 28, 2010 5:39 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Tebow
dont even fit our sceme of our offense. The Jags or some team of that nature is his only chance of playing Qb.
by chiefs316 on Jan 28, 2010 5:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The Jags will draft him to sell tickets
Will pay off for one season. They might squeeze in a second year by leaving him on the bench which they could sell since they have a Pro-Bowl QB. Of course if he pulls out of the game, we will have a pro bowl QB too
by bonesjackson on Jan 29, 2010 1:21 AM CST up reply actions
I read where Pioli was talking to some QB from Deleware or New Hampshire, or some small college. I would have no problem drafting a QB, with a low round pick, or as a UFA, but Tebow has only affirmed what the experts have stated all along, he has alot of work to do to be an NFL QB. Cassell improved, as did the O-line, when Charles gave us some balance, and I read that if our last 4 games offensive stats were pro rated over 16 games, we would have had the best offense in the AFC. Don’t give up on him yet. He has proven he can throw for 4000 yards, if he has the support around him, and that was being sacked almost as much as any QB in the league, with the Pats. Brodie and Guiterrez are capable backups, better than any low round QB we would get. Cassell needs a couple more weapons, maybe a player or 2 on the O-line, but that has seemed to go from an emergancy choice, to a choice of need. And don’t forget, we have Weiss, who will be able to spend alot more time with him than Haley could. What I see right now, is the potential of a Vermeil team, that has to score 30 points a game to win. We really need to focus on defense first. I like Tebow, and he is likely the best college player ever, but he would be a project QB.
by Racyman on Jan 28, 2010 6:08 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
hahahahahha
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Jan 28, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
hahahaha
love it
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I got warned for this pic
Evidently it is “religious criticism”
Confused?
A lot of people got warned in here.
Hopefully the people that called me a douche got warned but I have a feeling there may be a bit of a bias in moderation.
Then again I always think everyones out to get me,
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
It's amazing...
How one player can bring out such strong feelings in everyone…some for, and some against. Are other team’s fans having the same arguments amongst themselves over Tebow, I wonder?
Personally, I’m fine either way. If Pioli, Haley, and Weis think Tebow can help this team win…then I’m all for it. If not, then that’s fine too.
One thing I have always said....
Tebow is a fierce friend and leader. Never seen a leader like this guy. One thing he needs to do is drop all of his bad habits. throwing off his back foot and really getting a good touch. Accuracy is a problem.
I believe this kid is a GREAT project. He’s like an old beaten down vehicle that any guy wants to fix up. He will have a huge upside. I would have no problem with dropping gutierrez to get tebow.
Very underrated player that Weis could really mold into a great QB
Did you just say
“fierce friend”? Is that what we’re getting down to now?
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
The only thing more lame than mock draft's is the sarcasm font.
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 28, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with that point
Problem is, he should have spent the last season fixing his mechanics and didnt.
by bonesjackson on Jan 29, 2010 1:22 AM CST up reply actions
He's not even the best QB in this draft...
Let alone the best college football player in a generation.
Please, Jacksonville, PLEASE
Draft Tebow with No. 10. Please. Pretty please. PLEASE! C’mon you can do it!! PLEEEEEEAAAASSSSE!!
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Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
Tebow's future
Back in ’82, I used to be able to throw a pigskin a quarter mile.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
by Jux on Jan 28, 2010 8:09 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I could throw a football over those mountains
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Yeah... Coach woulda put
me in fourth quarter, we would’ve been state champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Funny
Tim Tebow is your uncle…
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 28, 2010 8:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Funny story actually,
A lot of people say I look like napolean, I bet you didn’t know that.
Hopefully there’s no bad blood from earlier, I just think people should be able to laugh at anything.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
I generally think a little bit of humor goes a long way
But you have to respect people’s boundaries a little bit too. When people have deeply held beliefs and you mock them, even if its meant to be playful and joking, its going to upset them especially because so many of us from an atheistic worldview adopt a sense of superiority about it.
I am, for lack of a better term, an atheist myself (though I find the necessary being argument compelling, I don’t think that leads on to the other qualities of a Western personified God like intelligence/omniscence and benevolence). I honestly wish it weren’t so. I see people of faith and their faith gives them great comfort in times of need. I’ve gone to churches with friends before (though never during a Chiefs game), and I’ve looked around and got jealous. I wish I could make the leap of faith, but I am too much of an inherent skeptic (not just of religion, but of gov’t too, hence my devout libertarianism).
You don’t have to agree with someone’s worldview, hell, you don’t even have to respect it. But if you seriously wanna be able to get people to laugh with you and at themselves a little, you have to show that you respect them and their belief system first.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
I am, for lack of a better term, an atheist myself (though I find the necessary being argument compelling, I don’t think that leads on to the other qualities of a Western personified God like intelligence/omniscence and benevolence
Wouldn’t that lead you to some form of deism?
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Not really
since my understanding as to the nature of that necessary substance is that it is energy/matter. There is nothing about it that fits the Western personification of God other than its mere necessity to have always existed (though in the super dense form of the big bang).
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
Respect is never given, only earned.
This isn’t really a place for religious discussion so I’ll keep it brief, but I have plenty of disrespect for religion and the atrocities that have been committed in its name.
The people who would get offended by the stuff I’ve said are the same people that would make Scientology jokes or look down their noses at Mormons or Muslims. There is a safety in numbers that Christians enjoy and it has led to them be overly sensitive at anyone poking fun at their ridiculous beliefs.
Besides all this…what did I say before this that was so offensive?
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Without having gone through the entirety of posts
I think your anti-tebowism might have come across as a dislike of the man himself rather than just the belief that he is an overrated pro prospect (and there is nothing wrong with noting that he is overrated precisely because of his very outspoken religiosity). Had he said something disparaging about a specific group of people, it would be more than fair to criticize that as well, but I’m not aware of any such statements. I just think that, for the most part, those of us from an atheistic worldview tend to view the preachy sect with levels of contempt. For a long time I did… ultimately, I realized that they’re sharing deeply held beliefs that they feel are necessary to my salvation. They’re trying to save me. I don’t think I need saving, but I’m not offended that someone wants to help.
As for the atrocities that have been committed in the name of organized religions, you’ll find no arguments from me there. But similarly gruesome acts have been committed in the name of renouncing certain religions or have been committed by atheist leadership with atheistic motives (Stalinism, Maoism). There are elements of good and bad in everything…. a sort of Taoistic balance to the world (just in case we wanted to get into obscure eastern religion/philosophy lol). And I think its unfair to look at the evils that organized religion has done without also recognizing the good. And in this regard, I think modern American Christianity has done far more overall good than destruction. Evangelicals and Mormons go on missions, giving time and money to help feed needy people across the world. They dedicate time and money and effort to causes to help people. I find very little in the realm of outright atrocities committed in the name of Christ in the modern world.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
by Sudden on Jan 28, 2010 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
wow great post...
i think this warrants a full fan post… :p
but seriously i read it and i agree.
Agreed but not here :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 28, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
I don't blame you
For getting that I hate Tebow from my posts.
Let me clarify.
I think he is a bad idea for the chiefs based purely on our needs and what I feel his strengths and weaknesses are.
The hatred and Jesus jokes are more just to combat those with the man crush.
I’ve tried a couple times to get people to debate with me on why they think he’d be good for the chiefs but they stop responding with fact and start talking about intangables and what I just gotta believe (sounds vaugley like something else eh?)
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
by Jux on Jan 28, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No bad blood!
I just get defensive on things on believe in…like Christianity. I feel strongly about Tebow so it fires me up when guys bag him.
I may be Christian but that also doesn’t make me a walking mat. I will stand up and defend….something the Chiefs defense needs to learn.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 29, 2010 7:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I can respect that.
And hopefully they will start to do the same thing
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Meh. I'm not a fan but...
I’ll say this. Tebow is a natural born leader and has shown it time and time again. He’s big and strong. He’s smart. His cognitive abilities allow him to process information quickly and more than anything, that’s what you want in a QB. He’s tough mentally and physically. His mechanics are weird and admittedly, his churchiness bugs the hell outta me, but who gives a shit? I think he’ll make a good pro QB who ends up winning a bunch of games. I think anyone who burns a first round draft pick on him is nuts because he’s not gonna come in and light it up his rookie year like a few guys we’ve seen come out in the last few years (Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco and even Sanchez this year) I think his mechanics are just odd enough to keep him out of that league.
I could see him as a second or third rounder and put under intensive development for a year or two. To correct his mechanics is going to take some time, but if a team were to invest the time, I have no doubt it would pay huge dividends in the long run. His situation needs to be the right one for it to work. Would the Chiefs be a good situation for him? Damn right it would be. We have a good starting QB in Cassel and with Croyle as backup, there would be little to no chance of him ever seeing the field in his first year so they could tinker with his delivery with relatively little concern.
Any team who drafts him and expects him to be productive year one is going to fail miserably and it won’t be Tebow’s fault.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Deflected Croyle hate incomming:
We have a good starting QB in Cassel and with Croyle as backup, there would be little to no chance of him ever seeing the field in his first year
All it would take is for Cassel to go down for 2 quarters.
We all know Croyle won’t make it through 1/2 a game before he takes his ‘season ending injury-tm’. =P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
So who gets the last word here?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
I'll be up for another two or three hours
I typically put AP to bed. :)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Last word or not
I know I’m right. At least Obama de Jesus says I am wink
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Gawd bless
No Jesus H. Obama (Obamanation!) talk. Please! I’ll go outer limits and get banned for political reasons.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
hahaha
If you go up and look at mine and laniers talk from earlier you’d get it haha
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Does anyone on AP think we should draft Tim Tebow?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
You're an off cat dude :)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Yes actually
I think he’d be a great addition to the team. If we picked him up with our second round I’d be happy.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
I don't care
If the chiefs believe in drafting him I’m fine with it. I started drinking the coolaid again.
What would Alexander the Great do?
WHOOOOA
how can you guys say he sucks hes horrible when he has had one of the best college careers out of any quarterback. He hasnt even thrown an NFL pass. Everyone knows he wont come in and be the savior of any team. But he would be a good backup to groom under cassel and if weis can work with him why couldnt he be good in a few years?! This guy loves a challene. He did what he could in college so he could win. I’m sure he’ll do the same in the NFL
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
Oh yes he can be
Everyone knows he wont come in and be the savior of any team
The Jags can stay in Florida if they draft him. He can save that team.
by bonesjackson on Jan 29, 2010 1:24 AM CST up reply actions
it would save their fan base
i dont think he could help them win much games his first year though
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
Tim isn't what he wants to be
A pro level QB. That is it and that is all. I think he is one of the best players ever at the college level. He broke Herschel Walker’s rushing TD record as a QB. Quite a feat…. His mechanics are terrible, he cannot take a pass from under center, and has been stubborn about not playing another position. That is why I do not want him on the Chiefs. The Jesus stuff annoys me from pros since if I wanted to hear about Jesus, I would skip the early game and go to church. But I do not hate Timmy for that. I don’t hate him at all, but I would hate the pick.
U cant be serious
We dont need another Qb. We need a saftey, how bout a big NT? How bout a right tackle? How bout OLB, how bout a slot reciever? How bout a # 1 reciever? how bout a ILB? I cant believe this. All you see is Qb? Thats the least of our problems. How bout we get help for the Qb we got now. If Cassel was on his ass most of the time, what the hell is Tebow gonna do different? I think he’ll be a bust anyway.
I'd be interested in a QB
Just not Tebow. Not for the pick he’ll likely command. I’d consider him in the 4th or later, but he’ll almost certainly be gone to some hapless sucker long before then.
Read this clearly: I would seriously rather KC have Jonathan Crompton than Tim Tebow.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 29, 2010 8:15 AM CST reply actions
Thank all that is good in this world..
…looking at your ‘burnorangehorn’ name I was deathly afraid you were about to say “Colt McCoy”
=P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Jan 30, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Tebow knows how and will win
The fact remains is the guy is a winner. I dont understand why people dont see that. It will take time for him to get accustomed to the nfl but it will happen. hes won two national titles and practically dominated the best conference in america the SEC. now his mechanics are not that good but look at vince young! he is a guy who wasnt a great passer in college he just knew how to win. Some guys have it and some guys dont. As far as the chiefs are concerned, he is exactly what this franchise is looking for. He is gonna work harder than anybody else, study harder and i gaurentee you he is using this negative vibe against him to fuel the fire. Now im not saying draft him at 5, I’m saying if hes there in the third and maybe the second he would be a great pick!
by Arrowheadville83 on Jan 31, 2010 4:26 PM CST reply actions
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