Chiefs GM Scott Pioli Compares Vince Wilfork and Terrence Cody
by Joel Thorman on Jan 27, 2010 12:00 PM CST
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PrintKansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli talked with Josh Looney of KCChiefs.com about one of the most talked about players in Senior Bowl: Alabama nose tackle Terrence Cody.
Cody's name has been brought up frequently the past few days at the Senior Bowl but it hasn't always been a good thing. He came in tipping the scales at 370 pounds, which places him as the largest player in attendance. A lot of folks have expressed some concern over his size.
"He's an enormous presence physically," Pioli told Looney. "The thing with a player like that is you know how he can work in a small space but what you want to see is his lateral mobility and how much ground he can cover from that spot. Because obviously you want someone in that spot who can hunker down.
"They also have to have the ability to work within the tackles to make some plays and have some degree of range."
Cody's name pops up around the Chiefs for a couple of reasons. First, nose tackle is a perceived need on the team with 31 year old Ron Edwards manning the position last season and little depth behind him. Second, Pioli was part of drafting Vince Wilfork with the New England Patriots.
"I think the difference is, Vince, personally, [I think] was a little more explosive coming out," he said. "The body types, and the movements...the one thing I saw about Vince was he had more lateral range. Body types like that, the easy thing to do is say he looks like him, but Vince had very long arms for a guy his height, which is important for a guy on the inside of the defensive line."
Terrance Cody is projected to go in the late first to early second round of the draft but concerns over his weight could hurt his draft stock in the coming months.
It's been reported that he played in the National Championship game about fifteen pounds lighter than what he is now so you gotta wonder about a guy that has trouble getting in shape for arguably the biggest job interview of his life to date.
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He is a monster, but...
Haley would have a conniption when this guy strolled on the practice field at 370lbs.
dan williams isnt impressive, imo
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
What's with Nick Saban's program?
For two years in a row his lineman have been the freak shows of the party.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
The only thing more lame than mock draft's is the sarcasm font.
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 27, 2010 12:32 PM CST reply actions
You think Andre Smith looked bad running the 40?
Ugh. Don’t run it, Cody. Please. For our sake.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
He should roll it!
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
You could probably hear the ground slapping from here! Ha.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
The vibrations from Mt. Cody running the 40
could probably crack Mt. Rushmore…even if he is in Indianapolis for the combine.
Size
I understand the role of a nose tackle in the 3-4 scheme, but I agree with the size critics. I am worried about longevity. Terrance Cody was a good college DT (ages 18-21 or so), but with the current state of our franchise I am not looking at his ability to clog a hole next year only. It may take a few years to put all the pieces together. Will his joints be able to take the level of attrition associated with an NFL season and then rinse wash and repeat?
by chiefsandhawks on Jan 27, 2010 12:32 PM CST reply actions
What worries me is this...
Cody weighs 370 and benches 400…equating to benching 108% of his own body weight.
Javier Arenas weighs 200 and benches 425 (an amazing 212% of his own body weight).
Now think about that…and by comparison for Cody’s position, Suh weighs 305 and benches 535 (175% of his own body weight…and not that I’m implying we’ll even stand a chance at being able to draft him).
If the average NFL guard weighs 310 (I’m making that up but it has to be fairly close), he only has to be able to bench 340 lbs to technically be stronger than Cody and have the ability to push him back. Granted hand work, technique and leverage all play huge factors into this, but I hope you can see my point. Being big doesnt necessarily mean being strong.
That sounds good but
the linemen rarely have to worry about lifting from their back (benchpress). Lots of additional factors to consider, use of leverage being one. Good information though.
Where did you find those bench press numbers?
And besides, it’s squat, leg drive, and ability to use leverage that matter in football. Weight room strength is a fairly poor estimate of overall ability (unless someone is incredibly weak). Tank Tyler was the strongest guy at the combine in bench press his year (42 reps of 225 if I remember correctly) and look how he fizzled. Workout warriors are just that, they aren’t necessarily good players.
i weigh 210
and i played NAIA ball for one semester and I can bench 400 lbs. If your in the NFL as a 375 lb NT you better bench WAYYYYY more than 400.
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
In response
DCJayhawk57: I read those numbers yesterday somewhere on nfl.com when I was reading through senior bowl stuff.
BEEF_CHIEF: That is exactly my point. Everyone seems to fall in love with this mountainous guy with the thought that its impossible to move him, which if you see his lack of strength you know is not realistic.
To anyone else: I’m not saying that bench press max, bench press reps, verticals, 40 times, etc make or break a player, but they are a good indication of what kind of athlete a prospect is. Cody isnt fast, nor is someone his size expected to be. However, he is expected to be strong, but I’m pointing out that he isnt that either (well not for NFL standards).
exactly
big but fat, slow, AND weak. he will not have a good NFL career IMO
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
Damn!
He’s almost 400 pounds! That is one big boy. I doubt we see him as a Chief after that.
Yeah
Pioli doesn’t sound like he’s too impressed with Cody at all……..
by Hail2DaChiefs on Jan 27, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
If he's gained 15lbs since the championship game
what’s he going to do over an entire offseason…with a couple million dollars in his pockets?
Hearing him interviewed, he seems like a really good guy, but I wouldn’t want to take a chance before the 3rd round.
Predictions:
This year will be better
He hasn't gained 15lbs. since the championship game
In fact, I’d bet you that he’s actually lost weight since the game.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 27, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Is that just rumors, then? I’ve read that somewhere else, too…
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Jan 27, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
No, it's a misunderstanding of listed playing weights
He was listed at 355lbs. on the team page. Teams don’t usually post actual weights there, and even when they do, they don’t regularly update them as the season progresses. Cody may well have weighed 355lbs. heading into the season, but he absolutely did not weigh 355lbs. by the end of the season. While spotting an extra 15lbs. on a guy who used to weigh 355lbs. isn’t like spotting an extra freshman 15 on a lovely co-ed, Cody was definitely closer to his 380+ figure he had for a while in 2008.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 27, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe a ploy
to get another team to bite on him so our guy will still be there? When the Don speaks, people tend to listen.
So the question begins...
Are we willing to trade away our 1st rounder for Wilfork?
It wouldn’t bother me but, what do you guys think?
It would bother me a lot
unless NE threw in one of their 2nd rounders (they have three).
Predictions:
This year will be better
No way.
That would be the worst mistake the Chiefs could make. A 5th pick in the draft should play 12 years for a franchise. Wilfork has no more than 6, probably less, and at a declining level of skill.
What makes you think his play is declining?
I could argue that all day long. Kevin Williams is 36 and is still playing at an all pro level. Wilfork is currently the most dominant NT in the game and has zero downside. His addition alone could turn our defense around and make our D-line one of the best 3-4s in the league. That’s if we didn’t make any other moves to improve!
However, I probably agree more with HIV on this that NE would rather have our 2nd rounder and probably a later pick as well to trade for Wilfork. They LOVE their 2nd round picks there at NE. It’s also important to remember that they drafted Ron Brace to replace Wilfork last year. They probably don’t want to pay him a huge salary that he will be commanding this year so, Wilfork is most definitely in the field of play for the Chiefs.
All that to say this, Wilfork is definitely worth a 1st round pick…even the 5th overall. We should strongly consider doing whatever it takes (within reason) to get him.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 27, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
I can only assume you meant Pat Williams, not Kevin
Kevin’s not even 30.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 27, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind trading our 2 2nd rounders....Patriots LOVE 2nd rounders
There are a ton of guys that I would like with both of those seconds. But, Wilfork is a KNOWN elite comodity. Not only should we get 6 or 7 years out of him (4 or 5 would still be great), but when we fill our positions of need in a few years we can draft a young NG high and have Wilfork teach him (priceless).
so if we got
1st Eric Berry
2nd Vince Wilfork
I would be a happy panda!
by MasterBlaster7 on Jan 28, 2010 1:35 AM CST up reply actions
Looney says the NT out of North Carolina has been looking good
Per KCChiefs.com:
“Anyone in attendance that plays a 3-4 defense had to be impressed with North Carolina DT Cam Thomas (6-4, 341) during one-on-one drills. Thomas lined up in a zero technique over center and got plenty of push (and love from the intense d-line coaches on the Lions staff) against multiple opposing centers. Thomas’ draft value is all over the board depending on which "expert" you prefer to listen to. However, most services seem to agree that his stock is rising this week in Mobile.”
I think there are more potential nose tackles available in the draft than most originally thought.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I remember another DT out of UNC that didnt work out too well...
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 27, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
So this guy must be terrible, right?
just stating the obvious…busts come out of every program.
Predictions:
This year will be better
maybe...
Troup is another good prospect
I am really leaning towards these mid round guys…and NOT taking one with kcs 1st 2 or 3 picks
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
by stagdsp on Jan 27, 2010 12:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I agree
the big conference guys get all the hype for obvious reasons, but that doesn’t mean they’ll turn into the best players.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Why would it bother you?
He’s pretty young and has no real injury issues. Trades like that go on all the time for guys his age.
He wil be one of the most sought after players in FA this year.
Because I don't think that we're One Player Away
it’s probably going to be 3-4 years before this team can realistically hope to be in Championship contention, and by that time he WILL be getting over the hill. I’d rather use the pick for a guy who will potentially be a core player for the next 10-12 seasons. But don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t be furious if Pioli did it.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I really hope that we are closer to championship contention
than 3-4 years. Maybe some good coaching can change this team. Everyone of our players were playmakers in college.
I think Cincy did that with their fat Alabama OL pick last year.
Predictions:
This year will be better
fact is, we need a nose tackle one way or the other...and not a project NT...one that can play NOW.
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
Pioli frequently drops scouting tidbits
on what he looks for in filling positions, especially D-line.
The most recent ones in this article are…
…you want someone in that spot who can hunker down…
…and have some degree of range…
…very long arms for a guy his height…
Bewsaf
Sounds like me Bewsaf...
I live in the hurricane state. I know how to hunker down. I can put my wife’s leg behind my ears and I have very long arms. (their fake and I bought them at the halloween store, but they ARE long)
Kray, that sounds like a Craigslist ad.
Is there something going that you’re not telling us? LOL.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Jan 27, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Watching today's senior practice right now
Scott Pioli was interviewed before the start. He pretty much said you can’t discount a guys college career for the combine and vice versa….he said the numbers are just another piece of the puzzle. He said with Weis he has the same philosophy as Haley and he will get to look for the same players he ha always looked for….he said the same with defense and crennel.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 27, 2010 1:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Some unknown draft options that Pioli is looking at that could be gems:
Teddy Beerski
Vince Wilspoon
Richard Seyless
Rodney Baldisson
Ty Criminal
Dieon Stick
Tom Partridge
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
What about
Bill Belidude
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 27, 2010 1:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And his assistants
Charlie Foolish and Juliette Crennel.
(btw I know his sister is named Juliette)
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
dont forget oline
matt heavy, logan womankins
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
by Sudden on Jan 27, 2010 2:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Or wideout...
Deion Stick has speed to burn.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Jan 27, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Randy Lichen has cleaned up his act, I must say.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 27, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Ha! Lichen. I was trying to think of something to go for Moss. Nice work.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
the work ethic issue is a real concern. He might be the kind of guy to apply for a position
at a prominent bank in flip flops if he wasn’t willing to get in shape for the Bowl game. That does not sit well. But he’s huge so I wouldn’t tell him that.
cody is a joke
I wouldent mind getting him in the third tho that would b good value for what he is bringin to the table.
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by sexassassin on Jan 27, 2010 2:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The only thing Cody is bringing to the table
is a knife and fork.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
I'm not particularly impressed:
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 27, 2010 3:49 PM CST reply actions
That's because he's not playing football right there!
by burntorangehorn on Jan 27, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'm looking into some of his vids right now:
Surprisingly, the guy has hops:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFynUthHUfA&feature=related
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 27, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
He’s a lot like Andre Smith, in that he’s not that good at anything…except for playing football.
I think he’ll go lower than he should because of his weight, but the kid can just plain play football, and I kind of like that.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 27, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
i dont wanna touch him
hes a big guy off fat not muscle
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
He moves laterally pretty well in this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_8YV45pQog&feature=related
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 27, 2010 4:02 PM CST reply actions
too funny ... Scott Pioli, master of the obvious
He’s an enormous presence physically
gee, Scott … ya think???
(would Haley even let the guy in?)
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Jan 27, 2010 4:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The question upamtn is: Can he get him in. ( :
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
There's no doubt he has talent
and he’s a remarkable athlete for his size. I am concerned about the work ethic but I believe Haley would be the one coach capable of busting his foot up this guy’s ass to get him into shape. I can almost guarantee this guy is going have conditioning related discipline problems coming into his rookie year no matter who drafts him.
Yes I like him. No I don’t think the Chiefs go anywhere near him in the first round. If he’s there in the second I could see it. At this point I’d still have mixed emotions about drafting him as high as round 2, but I wouldn’t feel compelled to jump off a cliff.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I wouldn't mind him as our 2a pick.
His weight is a concern, but I think that disciplinarians like Haley, Pioli and Crennel can get that corrected. There’s no doubt the guy can play football. Have him drop about 30 lbs and improve his strength training and he’d be an ideal NT.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 27, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmmm...
Golden Tate or the fat guy???
I’ll take the game changing WR please
Too early to call him game changing but yup me too.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
I dont know
I have mixed feeling on him…..he looked pretty dominant in some of the senior bowl videos……but he needs to get down from 370…….I think if he can get down to 350 by the combine he is well worth a second(but if he can get that low he will prolly go in the 1st round)…….if hes still at 370 i think hes worth a 3rd or fourth……listening to pioli in that interview……it dosent sound like he is counting him out……hes just not ready to draw the comparison to wilfork already
Could be a Pioli ploy
talk unfavorably about him and try to draw other team’s attention away from him
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
my worries...
one, the reports r that he is lazy. how long can u play at that weight before things like joints or even a heart give out? seems like that would be a poor investment if we want him playing for the chiefs for long.
second, i feel like he uses his fat to his advantage. if he actually attends the weight training program that we run, will he lose his advantage? seems like at a college level, weaknesses can be hidden in fat and weight. in the nfl, they can’t…especially if u drop a lot of that weight.
by MountainManMike on Jan 27, 2010 8:49 PM CST reply actions
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