Chiefs Met With Tim Tebow at the Senior Bowl
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 6:59 PM CST
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Jeremy Fowler of the Orlando Sentinel reports the Kansas City Chiefs met with Tim Tebow at the Senior Bowl. Fowler cites Tebow's "brother Robby" as the source of the information.
Charlie Weis also reportedly sat in on the interview.
Have you heard of Tim Tebow? Apparently, he was a quarterback for the Florida Gators collegiate football team.
His agent, Jimmy Sexton, told the St. Louis Dispatch earlier today that his client was "hospitalized" for a bout of strep throat.
Robby also tells Fowler he met with the Minnesota Vikings and Carolina Panthers. The meeting with the Panthers was a "formal interview with [the] entire coaching staff."
Tebow's been reported to go anywhere from the top ten to the third round. His draft status is one of the biggest question marks in recent memory.
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He will never be an NFL QB
But if he can be had in the 4th round and have a role as a Wildcat type player, his charisma and leadership ability would be a big bonus to the team that gets him.
I just can’t see giving up more than a 4th rounder for a guy that has no real position in the NFL.
I was very intrigued the other day with the article about the Wildcat possiblities
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
What of the Steve Young comparisons?
Are his mechanics completely salvageable?
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
The only similarity
I agree with is the run-first mentality coming out of college. Other than that, trying to compare Tebow to Young is… a stretch at best.
When it comes to footwork and throwing mechanics there’s some coaching that can be done to fix problems but it’s unusual to see a guy, with problems of Tebow’s magnitude, be able to do much more than “suck less.” I heard somebody on espn, might have been Tim Hasselbeck, talking about how coaching isn’t a magic wand that can fix anything. By the time you’re ready to enter the Draft your mechanics/footwork are pretty well set in stone, coaching WILL help but it’s naive to expect anyone to be able to fix mechanics as fubar as Tebow’s are right now.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
The article isn't trying to compare Young and Tebow
Just that in the right system a quarterback no one things has the tools can succeed.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
It was 5 years between the time Young graduated to the time he started having success as an NFL QB
I don’t think too many teams are going to put that kind of investment in Tebow.
Not to mention the fact...
that he was holding the clipboard and learning from the best in Montana for those 5 years. Not sure Cassel would have that same effect on ol’ Timmy T.
on mechanics/footwork/throwing motion
I agree that they are set in stone – see Vince Young
on the same note – VY’s passes looked a lot better this year
by Ochophosphate on Jan 27, 2010 2:50 AM CST up reply actions
Disagree
I wouldn’t say that “Tebow is no different than Hall of Famer Steve Young…”. Young was a starting QB in the USFL and NFL long before he came to San Francisco, and in fact had an excellent college passing numbers at BYU; granted that he was a very good running QB in college, but his passing (7, 733 yards and 56 TD’s) accounted by far for most of his offensive output. I think he was actually a somewhat different college QB than Tebow. While he may have been thought of as perhaps not the best collegiate pure passer, his arm strength, experience under center and consistency were already much better than Tebow shows at a comparable point in their careers, IMHO.
Re Lombardi’s assertion that “…he failed to become integrated into their offense…”, that’s more that passing vague; I think a more accurate assessment would be that the Bucs, with a record of 4-28 during Young’s tenure, were just a truly lousy team and had an extremely poor supporting cast for Young. Imagine, say, Tom Brady playing for the early 2009 Chiefs but w/o JCharles. Subsequently Young was traded to the best QB-development operation in NFL history and sat behind Montana long enough to improve in the Walsh system.
If there’s another Bill Walsh out there then maybe Tebow turns into the second coming of Steve Young. But I wouldn’t wage the lunch money on that bet. Neither should the Chiefs, a team which has shown a near-tragic inability to develop QB’s for the past thirty-plus years.
Even if you had Walsh on your staff
you’d need a Montana-caliber QB to start while Tebow watches and learns from a mentor and coach.
Well said though, I agree.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Good points
Though Tebow’s passing numbers are better than Young’s :)
But I agree with what you said.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
How so?
Granted that Tebow threw for more yards and touchdowns than Young in college, but Tebow played in A LOT more games than Young. Tebow threw for about 3x as many yards as he had rushing, but Young was > 7x more yards throwing than rushing.
I'm just going on yards, touchdowns, completion %
I saw Young play in college, but that was a long time ago, and I don’t have QB rating #’s for Young.
You're right
I was thinking Young had played longer. Point conceded.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Due diligence
any information they can get on the guy now means less work later on down the road if we end up playing whoever drafts him.
I wouldn’t put any stock in this in regards to us drafting him, we’ve already got our (hopeful) QBotF and he would be a pretty bad fit for Weis’ base offense. I just don’t see any way Pioli or Haley views Tebow as an answer to any of our problems.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Maybe the Interview was about other Florida players
strengths and weaknesses. You don’t have to neccessarily interview the intended when you can ask the people around them. Spikes, Pouncey and others might be more on the Chiefs Board than Tebow.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
Everything depends on where you can get the player in the draft
We have a starting QB and a back up QB. I would take a gamble if he fell to the later rounds.
I like the way Brad Smith played for the Jets this year in the wildcat. I don’t see this guy being a starting QB. I could be wrong because he has the heart of a lion and he isn’t afraid to watch film. We have so many needs, I don’t see us drafting Tebow.
To repeat what I wrote on Tex's fanshot - I can already here the celebration up North
Try and hold it down, Craig.
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields
I love the subject matter. However, I have no idea what so ever about Tebow.
I don’t really know enough to even undersand why he is such a mystery for a QB. I don’t know honestly if I have ever heard so much uncertainty about someone who has supposedly been very good at QB and has won at least one Bowl game behind a very impressive performance.
Means nothing to me one way or the other. I just can’t figure it out. Why is he so uncertain?
They say it's because of his delivery
And that he was a spread QB in college.
Though…there were similar questions about Philip Rivers delivery and he did fine. And, I heard a few reports from NFL scouts that said the not taking snaps from under center thing wasn’t too big of a deal and can be learned.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Joel, do you really think that running the Spread will be held against him?
I thought the NFL was OK with guys who ran the Spread as long as they could make the throws, particularly the sideline patterns. I thought Tebow got a lot more questions because his success came more from his legs than this arm.
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields
By spread
I meant being in the shotgun the whole time and not taking snaps under center.
I’m no scout so I can’t give you any insight but, yeah, it will be held against him by some.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
I know you said accuracy...
And I agree with you (to an extent)…but in the right system, he did hit 67% of his passes at Florida.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Thats not bad
His running so much probably pulled a lot of those safeties up though.
I have heard a few analyst talk about his accuracy…probably in regard to NFL type throws.
The guy has the ‘it’ factor…that’s for sure.
Bewsaf
Yeah
I want to see him in the system he’ll run in the NFL…folks have been pretty hard on his accuracy thus far in the Senior Bowl.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
I saw him making some throws in the senior Bowl
that were under center, drop back and throw.
He looked…well…not good.
But he is a little under the weather.
Bewsaf
agreed
a lot of those passes looked like some real ugly ducks.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
He was also able to exploit athletic mismatches too
while at UF which is something he won’t be able to do in the NFL. He’s got good vision when he tucks the ball and runs but his speed is mediocre at best meaning he’ll be chased down by defenders a lot. His delivery is worse than Rivers’ was going into the draft and he’s far less accurate. A lot of the passing he did at Florida was, as you said, out of the gun instead of under center which CAN be worked on but there is a HUGE difference between reading defenses from 5 yards off the line and reading them from <5 feet away which will only be harder in the NFL than it was in college. It is, however, his (in)ability to hit out-routes and throw the deep ball accurately that are the biggest question marks for me though.
As a wildcat QB he has more options but that’s still less than 10-15 snaps a game, hardly worth a 1st imo. The problem with him in the wildcat though is his speed, like I mentioned earlier. He won’t be able to separate from many defenders in the NFL with just his feet for that reason.
He can’t make all the throws necessary as an NFL QB and, imo, he’s kind of screwing himself by only working out and practicing as a QB in the lead up to the draft.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
the not taking snaps from center thing was bull...
that is not even close to as big of a deal as people make it.. he just needs some practice… rarely do qbs ever contribute their first year.
Its a lot bigger deal than people think
Its not just taking a snap and getting the footwork to drop back down.
It’s doing that AND scanning the field for open receivers. Tebow never really did that. When Tebow did throw at Florida, he was locked onto his primary target almost exclusively. If that guy was covered he ran it.
There are big questions about his ability to survey the field in the first place. Make him have to worry about dropping back and you compound that.
Thigpen!
ala Thiggy. Thiggy under center was baaaaad news.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Jan 26, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
But they adapted and he wasn’t horrible.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
I’d like to agree with that, but it seemed like he took a few steps back this year…Pre-Season and what not. Especially under center. Maybe it was not having Tony, maybe it was ’cause Cassel got all the attention.
Even when Tyler started playing better at the end of the year in 08, I still don’t remember seeing him get past his second read very often…if ever. Tis a shame. I still miss playing with him on Madden.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Jan 26, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
I saw Thigpen play the last game of 2008 in Cincinnati
He threw the ball all over the field, was not terribly accurate, it seemed to me. I know he had other games that were better, but it didn’t seem to me that he maintained a consistent accuracy all the way through the year.
+1
exactly the point I’ve been trying to make others see as well. There’s a big difference in reads under center and reads from the gun.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Because in a lot of ways he's more of an option QB (like a Tommy Harris) than a true Pro Set QB
Plus there’s a lot of criticism of his long throwing motion. But he’s got a lot of the intangibles and his name recognition and playing history alone will excite some fans (which = $$).
He’s not the first QB to face this. A lot of the more athletic QBs who’ve relied on a lot of running have had the same issue. It’s why guys like Hines Ward, Randle-El, and Josh Cribbs are playing WR in the NFL.
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields
Brad Smith
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Second.
He’s a winner. People seem to always skip over that. He’s a winner and a playmaker. We could all sit back and critique little things with him all day long, but if I’m making the pick, I take him (not, obviously @ #5, but maybe in the 2nd round, definitely in the 3rd).
-cw
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
He's a winner
when he and the rest of his offense are able to outmatch defenders with their athleticism. In the NFL, that’s not much of a possibility.
Only plays he’ll be making in the NFL will be in favor of opposing defenses.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Say what you want but
the guy has to be given props for showing up at the Senior Bowl with Strep throat and playing, knowing he will take criticism for his mechanics and playing in Urban Meyers system. Watching his interview on NFL.com you have to be impressed by his passion for the game. I think the Chiefs would take a shot at Tebow if he falls to our second pick in the second round. They would find a place to play him.
I don't think he'll fall
Just my opinion.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, there is a couple of teams that will take him in the first.
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Jan 26, 2010 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
Charlie Casserly and Peter King
Both said they have talked to GMs who said he won’t make it out of the first round.
Could be smoke and mirrors…might not be.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Only if
Jacksonville reaches with their pick or trades back to get him, they could definitely use the buzz surrounding tebow
I just cannot see
taking a player in the first round that is questionable on whether he can even be a QB.
Now if they think he can do something else while they wait 3 years to see if he can make the transition…
Bewsaf
I definitely think
that whatever team drafts Tebow, they will use him in many more ways that just QB
I heard some guy on ESPN
even question how fast he really was.
guess we will find out soon enough.
Bewsaf
Yeah,
but Tebow is frickin huge, I wouldn’t be afraid to let him take on a linebacker if necessary, could be fun to watch!
Tim Hasselbeck said that
and he’s probably right.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
I really don't think he's very fast
I think he’s more of a fullback than anything. I think it’s a pretty common misconception that Tebow gets rushing yards because he’s fast. He doesn’t. He’s a lot more like Zach Crockett with Scott Frost’s arm.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 26, 2010 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
I think they
would draft him more for the benefit of what he could do for the franchise that for his immediate impact on the field.
Tebow in the first round
Any coach or GM that drafts Tebow in the first round should be fired.
They probably will be
as soon as the Owner realizes how much of a waste it was.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
oh my god he has strep throat!?!?!
I will never give props to any player that shows up to play with strep throat, unless it’s a backyard football game. It’s freaking strep throat, not a broken bone or a bum ankle. It’s not even the flu. It’s STREP THROAT.
If we pick up Tebow it would piss me off soooooooo much. I’ve got nothing against the kid. He’s a heck of a player, but I hear more about this kid than the health care bill and Favre retiring combined. The media is making a big deal about this strep throat nonsense. Who fucking cares? He got a concussion and was out 3 or 4 weeks. He’s one of the most overrated college football players ever.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Jan 26, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
Fever is a sympton of strep throat...
I can’t imagine trying to play a competitive sport with a fever, and feeling good about it.
Also, to mock him sitting out 4 weeks with a concussion is pretty ridiculous. Especially with the hit that he took.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
The reports were 103 degree temperature
Yikes…that would be tough.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
I know that when I have a 103 degree fever
I’m not doing jack shit aside from sleeping.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 26, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
ive played hockey with fevers that high...
it’s doable but it certainly affects performance.
by MountainManMike on Jan 27, 2010 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
That makes more sense as to why he would have gone to the hospital.
Either they’re making it out to be worse than it is to get him more publicity(beat that dead horse), or it is as they say.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Jan 26, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
I've never had a fever with my strep throat...guess I've been lucky.
I’m still fairly young, but I’ve never seen an NFL player sit out for more than 2 weeks after a concussion. Unless it was someone that had a lot of concussions in the past.
5 bucks says I get strep throat/fever/flu in a few days for talking smack. Karma.
Anyway. I’m going to laugh my ass off at any team that picks him in the first round. We’ll see if he proves me wrong.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Jan 26, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
He's not an NFL player though....
He’s still working to hit that pay day…. which would explain why he might be overly cautious with a concussion.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 26, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe. All that I can say for sure is that your Todd Haley mock up is badass.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Jan 26, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
Shame on you!
Shame! Shame!
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 26, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
i saw a mock draft that said
the patriots were gonna take him. if they cant make him good. no one can. As for us… eh i could see it going both ways. i’m def cheerin him on. I think with the right system and if he spent sometime behind a good qb. I think he can be alright.
POW!! right in the kisser
Those same "experts" who say Tebow cant play QB in the NFL had this to say about....wait....here comes....
Ryan Sims
Positives: Great character and competitiveness. A coach’s dream. High-motor player who really seems to like the game. Has a thick, powerful body and can play in any type of defense, including a two-gap scheme. Uses hands well and does a nice job of controlling blockers. Very quick and flexible and has an explosive short-area burst. Can push the pocket and also get into a gap and come clean. Comes off the ball well and will often beat the blocker with his first move. Has been durable and played in every game during his career. Was a much tougher, more intense and more consistent player than Julius Peppers in ’01, his teammate who could be one of the first two picks in the draft. Sims had a very good week at the Senior Bowl and was off to a good start in the game before he suffered a minor injury and was held out because the game stresses player safety so much.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Well, that's just not right at all. ;-)
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 26, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
ahahahahahahahahaha
lmao.
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
:)
Is it too soon to buy my #15 Chiefs jersey?
Ohhh Brett...One more year! One more year! One more year!
Superbowl Prediction - Colts 41 Saints 23
by craig in calgary on Jan 26, 2010 7:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I was right in teh middle of typing:
“Cue Craig in 5…. 4….. 3…. 2….”
when you posted. For future reference, please slow down.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 26, 2010 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
you two guys are funny :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Why are you in favor of KC drafting him?
Would you rather take Tebow than Bradford?
Where have you been? Craig has had a serious man crush on Tebow all year.
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields
I guess on another planet
Seriously, I’m curious about where all the man-love, boy-love, woman-love and girl-love for Tebow comes from. I thought he was an extremely effective player in Florida’s system, but I guess to me he’s just another prospect, not something magical. I’d just like one of his main proponents to lay out the case for why he would be a better pick than about forty or fifty other guys I’d put on my draft board for the Chiefs.
Yeah, a Chiefs draft board :)
We have 8 of the top 150 players to choose from. Thats IT, done
We don’t have to wrroy about trading up to get someone. We could trade down I guess. 150 players are very easy to sort. WE don’t need a QB, K, P.
We don’t need the 4 guys that are drafted ahead of our 1st pick. We don’t need the 10000’s that are drafted after our last pick (UDFA not included). A lot of energy is being expended on guys we won’t have to and wouldn’t want to draft anyway.
Throw out 4-3 OLB’s, Throw out possesion WR’s, Throw out the top LT’s cause we shouldn’t go that way, Throw out the Big Feature RB’s cause we have Charles, Throw out the TE’s cause What the hell is one of those a top 150 pick. So we have 50 prospects left and 8 picks. Damn I am happy:)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Mike Lombardi on NFL.com said this:
“Bill Walsh used to have a saying: ‘if they are great in High School and they are great in College they will be great in the Pros.’ Tim Tebow was great in high school and great in college.”
Sounds like he thinks Tebow could be special (for what it’s worth).
No thank you
Not only is he not going to be a good NFL QB, the media circus would be annoying..
No. Please no. Hell no.
QB is NOT a primary need on this team. And, this guy is not someone to reach for. I hope this is some kind of head fake the Chiefs are trying to do (even though I don’t get it). OK, if we can get him in 7th round then I’ll accept it quietly (and I know that’s not going to happen.)
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
get him
but first get the o line takin care of ,and the DBz or linebackers, wait til the third round if he is up there take him, be a cheap pick.
Not to pick on you Perlly
But, you and others on here say “take him if he’s available in 3 or 4 – a cheap pick”. But, I say, we already have at least 2 QBs that are better than Tebow. And I am of the school that thinks he is not the Pro style QB that we need for our system. We have too many other needs to take care of this year to take any QB when we don’t need to. Because we have so many vital needs that means that the opportunity cost of picking him makes it NOT a cheap pick. I think it would be a wasted pick altogether.
Let’s wait until next year to take a mid/late round QB prospect. I am highly skeptical Tebow will ever amount to anything good in NFL as QB. I’ll let other teams experiment with him in other positions.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
+1
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
There are many college QBs who could be worth a shot at other positions
If KC wants a guy with QB experience, but speed and athleticism to play another position on the roster (and direct-snap formations like the wildcat), then there are other options. It definitely doesn’t have to be Tebow in the first three rounds, as you’ve pointed out.
One such guy who has been drawing some interest from scouts is Joe Webb of UAB.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 26, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Let's review.
Why, oh why, would we want to take another option style QB. Puh-lleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaassssse no. We need to learn from our mistakes.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
God is on everyones side
So stop inciting the rebellion :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Are you saying the Blackledge ran the option?
Blackledge was strictly a drop back passer. He wasn’t an option QB in college.
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields
I would pretty much
describe (from my recollection) Penn St especially in those days as being a strongly run first team. However, the following snippet from here would seem to prove me wrong. My main point is that I think that Kelly and Marino could have been forseen to be better NFL material than Blackledge.
In the fall of 1980, Todd emerged from a two-way QB battle to win the job over Jeff Hostetler—but not until week four. From 1980-1982 when Todd finished his career, he led Penn State to three consecutive Top 10 finishes—including a National Title in 1982. While being a team leader, earning Academic All-American honors, and winning the Davey O’Brien Award (as the nation’s Top QB) he was also selected to Phi Beta Kappa—the nation’s oldest Academic Honor Society.
He and his roommate—All-American RB Curt Warner helped form the core of the first offense in NCAA History to win the National Title while gaining more yards passing than rushing. In 1982 both Blackledge and Warner finished in the Top 10 in the Heisman Trophy Voting.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
Damn could we have drafted Curt Warner
you are definitely hurting me now :(
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
I just checked the Penn State site
Blackledge’s career college numbers are 4812 yds passing, 99 yds rushing. Penn State tended to be a run first team, but I don’t remember them ever running the option. And Blackledge was certainly not a runner. He was mobile compared to Bill Kenney, but so are telephone poles. Blackledge was highly valued coming out of college because of his intelligence and his classic throwing motion.
Believe it or not I remember commentators praising Blackledge’s mechanics and questioning Marino’s. One reason Marino dropped was because he had a “low release”. Instead it turned out that Todd’s higher but slower release was a problem, while Marino’s low quick release helped him set records.
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields
Could you imagine the arguements if there was an AP then?
or an Internet.
Just seems it was another long running network gag about the ’83 draft and we picked Blackledge instead of……
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 27, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
I dont get it.
If an Offense can be built around guys like Vince Young and Michael Vick why not Tebow? whats the difference, besides a guy who actually cares about winning.
except
we’re building an offense around Cassel/Croyle types. NFL pro style pocket QBs. Where will Tebow fit with that in 3 years time or whenever he would become the starter? He’s going to be way more expensive than he is ever going to be worth, IMO. Let Jax take him and do their marketing. I’d love Jags to stay in Jax.
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im not talking about the Chiefs
Im saying in general, this guy can play and if an offense can be built around Vince Young, it can be built around Tebow. Perhaps Chan Gailey will give hime a break in Buffalo
Because....
I’m sick of this team picking a new player to build a team around every other damn year. Cassel is our man… do not F it up by bringing in this ass clown to “build around”.
I have always dreamed of saying this.....
If anyone has the coaches and staff in place to make Tebow successful, it’s the Chiefs. I dont think we would draft him until maybe the 4th round though.
Damn
almost speechless
W H Y would W e Both Er
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Top Reasons to Draft Tim Tebow
1. New restaurant in club level saves money by cooking and serving all of the wounded ducks that Tebow throws.
2. The Chiefs record will improve by divine intervention, as millions around the country pray for Tebow’s success.
3. We’ll need someone to replace Kelli Croyle when Brodie gets cut (Tebow’s rumored girls).
4. If Cox and/or Castille goes down, we have a very expensive FB ready to go!
5. There hasn’t been enough crying on this team since Dick Vermiel left.
6. A new rule going forward gives you an automatic first down if you catch a pass that is caught off your shoe-laces or thrown 3 feet over your head.
7. KC is looking to solidify itself as a franchise that can’t draft a QB that succeeds.
People hear some talking head
saying this and that about someone they’ve seen a couple of games in a 4 year period and convince themselves that they know something. Tebow fits what the Chiefs are looking for: Big, strong, intelligent, agressive, hard working football players. How often is Cassell under center? The league uses way more shotgun than in the past. Tebow has a big arm, better than average accuracy, and I personally have seen him take over a game on his will alone (see SEC championship game his junior year). Weiss is a quarterback guru. If Tebow is picked by KC, it’s because they see something there and Weiss will bring it out of him. This kid will undoubtably be a good young NFL qb in a few years. I hope he becomes a Chief.
Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain
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