Some NFL Teams Have Chiefs LB Derrick Johnson Rated Very High
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2010 10:00 AM CST
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PrintThere is one good thing about the lack of a new CBA and the different rules that would come about creating a watered-down version of free agency: If you've got a coveted player, his value will rise significantly. Simple laws of supply and demand.
Since there will be less names on the free agent market, a guy like Derrick Johnson could create a buzz with teams. In fact, Brad Biggs of the National Football Post reports that Johnson's name has come up in league circles at the Senior Bowl.
One NFL personnel man said, "He's the best player they have on my board."
DJ will be one of the players hurt by the lack of a new CBA, which would put the minimum time needed for free agency from four to six years.
Judging by his playing time last season, the Chiefs aren't interested in keeping him as a core player. He played mostly in nickel situations but what has some scouts interested is the amount of big plays he made in the little time he got.
"Kansas City will be able to control his rights as a restricted free agent or perhaps place the franchise or transition tag on him with hopes of moving him in a trade," Biggs speculates. "That probably wouldn’t be a bad situation for him because it would mean he was headed to a team that wanted him. What his value would be in a trade right now, who knows? It’s fair to say the Chiefs didn’t maximize it during the season."
I think it's becoming clear that the Chiefs will get offers for DJ. What kind of offers is the only question.
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Hold up there horsey...
We need to wait and see what Crennel thinks about Mr DJ before we start choosing his new team. I am sure Clancy and Crennel will have huge differences on who gets what playing time…
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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 26, 2010 10:05 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
or will the differences be between Haley and Crennel?
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Put a first round tender on him ...
That way, if he goes, we’re set. If he stays, we’re set. Either way, we do alright.
I think I would lean in that direction also....
I understand what Matt says and its a valid point, BUT, fact is he still takes plays off and we need him or someone who will play every play like it was their last.
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Lanier, I understand what you're saying, but ... to me it looked more like "forced retirement" than "taking time off"
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KEEP HIM FOR DEPTH
Enough said. Leave the linebackers alone. Besides, DJ’s inconsistency is complimented nicely by Demorrio’s consistency. We need to keep DJ to put fresh legs on the field IF he isn’t starting. I think DJ wants to stay in KC and I think Crennel should be excited to have that talent. Don’t expect him to go anywhere.
touche' :)
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Im sorry but
Im still on the DJ bandwagon….and totally agree about waiting to see what RC thinks about him first.
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by KCchief5555 on Jan 26, 2010 10:07 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'd be very sad if he were to leave KC
Although it’d be a nice consolation if he were to end up in Tennessee, where so many other Longhorns play their pro football, or in Baltimore, so I could see him play in person more often.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 26, 2010 10:08 AM CST reply actions
I'm "on the fence"
I would like to see him play more…if he plays well.
If not, then get what we can for him and move forward. No sense having him on the bench half the time again next year.
by Scott B. on Jan 26, 2010 10:13 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Trade him.
If he’s so high on some teams board, we ought to be able to get at least a 2nd round pick and another later round pick for him. That’s good value, IMO.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 26, 2010 10:17 AM CST reply actions
Absolutely agree.
A 2nd and late rounder is more than this organization has conveyed he’s worth.
For the record, I love DJ as a playmaker…I’m just looking at his lack of usage on this team and seeing he could have success elsewhere.
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by KaloPhoenix on Jan 26, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, that's a huge issue I have with Haley ... because I think DJ is a lot better than what Haley & Co are telling us they think he is
hell, the way he was benched this past year you’d think they’d be delighted to toss him out and open up a roster spot for another of The Right 53 … DJ has a ton of talent, like Pollard … honestly shocked they didn’t toss him out earlier
(scary thought: DJ heading to Texans, reunites with Pollard, Houston Defense rises to elite status)
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Re: DJ
Disagree. DJ freelances too much.
I just want a guy who’s in position to make plays. Demorrio Williams has half of the talent, but he’s usually around the right place.
If the Chiefs get the production they expect out of their front 3, the ILB’s job becomes a whole lot easier and Williams will make some plays. DJ isn’t a guy you run circles around to protect.
How many wins do we end up with this year without DJ freelancing?
If Crennel decides to run with a defense that allows some freelancing, DJ will be a valuable part. If Crennel only wants assignment football, DJ will be gone. I’m fine either way.
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 26, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
i don't understand why people think pollard is so good
In 2008, he was one of the very worst starting safeties in football.
In 2009, he was much better, but still allowed 75% completion rate and an 87.9 QB rating for balls in his area. For reference, Mike Brown (who most people like to bash) only allowed 44% completion rate and an 68.2% QB rating.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Jan 26, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not everybody does...
I didn’t think he was that good. And I’m not sorry he isn’t a Chief anymore.
If he is playing better for Houston (and I don’t know that he is…I’ve only seen them play a few times)…then maybe getting cut lit a fire under his ass. His play here certainly never impressed me.
According to this website,
only 11 LBs in the NFL are better than DJ (and none of them are Chiefs).
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
You mean how he was on the field for the fewest plays last season but made the most "big plays"
I couldn’t agree more with what you said.
No way...
1st Rounder for him…
I know he didn’t play, but if he’s rated so High, do not let him go without out valuing him. I would send him and some later picks to Detriot for their #1 Pick. Then draft Suh and Berry.
Other then that…. the guy needs to stay a Chief and let Romeo use him the right way.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
Way...
First round trades for players are usually reserved for the best of the best. Look at Jared Allen. Look at John Elway. Look at Herschel Walker.
DJ isn’t worth a first round pick, he’s not the best LB in the league.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 26, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Trade him away
DJ is always going to be a player that has soo much potential, but never seems to reach it. I think that we have given him enough time to prove what he is worth. I would like to think a 2nd rd pick, but prob more like a 3rd. 1ST RD PICK IS DREAMING
I am thinking
a 3rd round pick.
That sounds like something another team would want to give up and something the Chiefs could use. I don’t see a team wanting to part with a #2.
If they are not going to use him next year then do him a favor and get something for him and send him on his way.
Bewsaf
I agree with the others
Lets see what Crennel thinks bout DJ but if he is to be traded well than lets do it now with the so called greatest draft in recent history instead of letting him warm the bench another year.
i'm all for seeing what DJ does with a better coach
but if we get a good offer, i’d be ecstatic to cut him loose as he’s been inconsistent. i wouldn’t even blink an eye at it.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
If we can get a 2nd or better for DJ
I say take it. Without a doubt I think we can get a player as good or better than DJ in the first and I have nearly as much confidence in the 2nd round.
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by Scaryclouds on Jan 26, 2010 10:18 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I agree completely that he is a wasted resource sitting on the bench and if his trade value is high, go for it.
If he is worth a late first or and early second, isn’t that were we are thinking that Weatherspoon is slotted to go. How much would you prefer seeing him lining up in red?
Let's consider this a minute.
1) He rode the bench pretty much all of last year. When he wasn’t on the bench, he played harder than he’s played the entire time he’s been here as a starter to prove that he should get his starting job back.
Translation: What he did this past year made him look more desirable to other teams.
2) We’re going into a unique situation this off-season where free agents available are going to be limited, putting DJ at the top of a field where he might’ve otherwise been middle-of-the-pack at best.
Translation: He’s got more value now.
3) Because of that same situation, we have more control over his rights and can maximize what we get for him. We can control not only where he lands, but potentially get something of a bidding war going for a guy who is, otherwise, not a player worth fighting over for most teams.
Translation: For us, if we’re going to get rid of him, we’re in a great position to do it.
4) We have a whole lot of needs on this team still and we’re getting ready to go into the deepest draft in recent memory.
Translation: This draft would be a great opportunity to get the building blocks this team needs for years to come.
Look, I like DJ. I was one of the guys here who was on Haley’s case about not playing him more often. But, that said, Haley and Pioli have a pretty specific vision of what they want in their players and from their players and if DJ had fit that mold, he would have been on the field more often. He wasn’t.
And, the fact is, even if Crennel likes him, he’s done nothing to show us that he won’t be just as inconsistent if he’s returned to a starting spot as he was when he lost it.
Right now, we’re looking at something of a ‘perfect storm’ when it comes to dealing him and getting maximum benefit in return. If we can trade him and get a 1st rounder for him, we need to do it. If we can trade him and get a decent 2nd rounder and a 4th/5th rounder for him, we should probably do it.
by JacinB on Jan 26, 2010 10:30 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Another point.
This team has shown that they’re willing to deal playmakers in the past (see also: Gonzalez, Tony) when they felt they could get good value for them.
The thought, then, was that Tony would be under-utilized in a Todd Haley offense because he didn’t use the Tight Ends as receiving threats as much as we were used to. Well, if there’s a poster child for under-utilized on the 2009 Chiefs, it’s DJ and, now, it appears that we could get good value for him …
See a trend?
This.
The thought, then, was that Tony would be under-utilized in a Todd Haley offense because he didn’t use the Tight Ends as receiving threats as much as we were used to. Well, if there’s a poster child for under-utilized on the 2009 Chiefs, it’s DJ and, now, it appears that we could get good value for him …
Exactly. Good value on the table, this deal happens.
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by KaloPhoenix on Jan 26, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Great thought
I agree completely. I have a dj jersey, and he has the ability to make plays.
If the value is there this year, I say pull the trigger. The alternative is being sure he is turning the corner to being a player you want him to be, and keep him.
Recked
We clearly have enought talented players on this roster.
Trade him without having a replacement.
I’m sure any old 2nd rounder can have two pick-6s in a game against a divisional rival, or a 70 yard INT return to keep a crappy team close in a game they should be blown out of on opening day.
Toss him aside.
why not just release him, as they did with Pollard ... I mean, its not like they CARE about the guy
… as much as they sat him, he CAN’T be one of The Right 53, obviously … might as well cut him now and save time later
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Tell that to the Texans...
Overall, the defense set team records for fewest points and yards allowed. The Texans were tied for 13th in total defense, including tied for 11th against the run and 18th against the pass.
Three defensive players, linebackers DeMeco Ryans and Brian Cushing and end Mario Williams, were voted to the Pro Bowl. Strong safety Bernard Pollard should have been.
from The Houston Chronicle
Bernard Pollard was the answer to their prayers at strong safety.
also from The Houston Chronicle
Every weekend at Bernie’s: The Texans signed Bernard Pollard early in the season after the Chiefs released him despite a quality 2008 effort. Since joining Houston he’s been fantasy’s top defensive back and a revelation for a previously porous Houston secondary. While Charles Woodson was mad good, son, he also posted a majority of his points in three monster outings, while Pollard afforded his savvy owners with weekly contributions that likely lead to some sustained success.
from ESPN
First-year defensive coordinator Frank Bush was under siege. Coach Gary Kubiak was blasted for promoting Bush, who never had been a coordinator. Kubiak responded by preaching patience.
Kubiak’s faith in Bush paid off. The transformation began in the fourth game — a 29-6 victory over Oakland .
Before the game, Bush inserted the newly signed Bernard Pollard at strong safety,
from The Houston Chronicle
S Bernard Pollard and Nick Ferguson(Pay him Rick!! Pollard was the lone standout in the secondary this year. I liked him coming out of Purdue because he’s a good tackler and has improved his coverage skills since his tenure in KC. Thanks alot KC!! He has proven to be a piece to puzzle that is the secondary. Ferguson at 34 can barely cover his nose when he sneezes let alone a NFL WR. Let him go!!)
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ALL-NFL TEAM
SS Bernard Pollard, Houston: Released by Kansas City in the final roster cut, Pollard signed with the Texans two weeks into the season and was starting by Week 4. He had 104 tackles, seven takeaways and two TDs.
from The Dallas Morning News
Pollard had value. Pioli/ Haley failed to get it either on the field or through a trade.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
He had no value
b/c he was one of the very worst starting safeties in 2008. He surprisingly improved in Texas, mainly in tackling, but was still a huge liability against the pass.
He allowed 75% completion rate and an 87.9 QB rating for balls in his area. For reference, Mike Brown (who most people like to bash) only allowed 44% completion rate and an 68.2% QB rating.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Jan 26, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
And, ProFootballFocus still has Pollard rated higher than Brown.
Pollard’s ‘overall’ rating is higher than Brown’s (1.8 vs. -9.8). His Run Defense rating is higher than Brown’s (2.7 vs. -4.0). His Pass Coverage rating is higher than Brown’s (3.0 vs. -5.6).
He’s got only 4 less tackles and 3 less stops than Brown while playing 266 less snaps.
And, while Brown allowed fewer completions in his area (while being thrown at 13 less times), he also allowed a lot more yardage after the catch than Pollard did (23.8 yds average vs. Pollard’s 12.1 yds average).
It's alright, the Texans and Pollard are enjoying the offseason early like the Chiefs.
No Superbowl doesn’t mean squat. Tell that to the 1990s Chiefs and current Chargers. I want a Superbowl championship and not just a team with talented players.
They couldn't even get a 7th round pick for him, and he wasn't signed for another two weeks after his release
so obviously no other teams were that high on Pollard either.
I think it’s pretty obvious that he was cut based on having an attitude problem. Maybe having his NFL career suddenly disappear was the only wake-up call he was going to respond to. And maybe the attitude will be back once he feels comfortable again.
One thing about Pioli & Belichick, they were absolutely NOT willing to put up with players who divided the locker room in NE, and I think letting Pollard go was just a part of that philosophy.
Predictions:
This year will be better
And he sat unemployed for 21 days, why?
They took a flier on the guy and he had worse stats than the scab we replaced him with…
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Re: two pick 6's
He had two pick 6’s.
But how many times during the season did he give up a big play because he was taking wrong tackling angles, horribly out of position, or caught freelancing.
One game does not a career make. DJ’s been doing this his entire career. It’s no longer the fault of the coaching. He reminds me a lot of LaVar Arrington. Freakish talent, but his freelancing will always keep him from being a consistent player. Big plays followed by big mistakes.
How could he mess up so bad
If he never played much….and when he did play he made plays.
He is not the 150 tackle guy…never will be…he is the force fumble sack the QB interception guy. He makes plays. He might not be the surest tackler but he is better at everything else. Williams or Mays can’t force fumbles get sacks and ints.
DJ is a very important part of our D…he should start and play. Offense and defense need playmakers. Obviously the guys who were playing ahead of DJ were helping us to the 31st ranked rushing D….so you can’t rip DJ and act like everyone else was just perfect.
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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 26, 2010 10:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Re: how could he mess up so bad
Matt, I agree that the defense needs playmakers. But if you watch enough tape of DJ, you’ll see that the big runs DJ gives up are a lot different than the big runs a Demorrio Williams gives up. DJ gives up big runs because he makes mistakes or he’s nowhere near the play. Demorrio Williams struggled largely because he was getting blocked because we had a Nose Tackle who wasn’t doing his job.
The point being… when the Chiefs get a real Nose Tackle, that blocker isn’t going to get to the LBs. And when that happens, Demorrio will be in a position to make plays, while DJ will be there half of the time.
You’re right that DJ is a very good pass coverage guy. But you can easily get a coverage specialist later in the draft. In all other areas, DJ is so-so, and I’m not going to lose the opportunity to get a nice draft pick for a guy that’s mostly a specialist.
Agreed, Jon.
NT will make a huge difference for our ILB’s, but DJ’s not a hitstick run-stopper. He’s a good pass coverage LB, sure, but when half the offensive plays aren’t his forte, it makes it hard for him to be on the field.
Will a competent NT help DJ? Probably…but it’ll also help a number of other ILB’s we have/could get for cheaper. Fairmont suggests below a 2nd rounder and an interior lineman. That’s a killer deal, and one I make in a heartbeat…hell, I’d take just a 2nd.
There are very few players on this team that are worth more than that in my eyes. DJ is not one of them in this scheme with this coaching staff, so the ability to obtain that level of a pick for him is a sure-fire trade.
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by KaloPhoenix on Jan 26, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Production
In limited playing time DJ had 1 sack 3 ints and 1 ff
Williams and Mays combined had a total of 0 sacks 0 ints and 0 ff
You see what I’m saying…those are game changing stats
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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 26, 2010 10:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And Jon's point is that the big plays he gave up made up for the others.
When he’s on, he’s our best LB. The problem is, he isn’t on all that often.
And you’ve said it yourself, he’s gotten limited playing time. High draft pick for an underutilized backup. It’s good business sense.
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by KaloPhoenix on Jan 26, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Im inclined to believe Kalo and Jon
More than others. The guys who break down tape and continually watch our team have a better idea of what goes on. DJ is talented…but seems to be either great or poor….cant win CONSISTENTLY with guys like that….And i love my horns…so its hurts to say that….will miss ya DJ.
Rarely, if ever, did he give up big plays in 2009
by burntorangehorn on Jan 26, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
something tells me you view this with Orange colored glasses…
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He didn't play much
And when he did, yes, the defense gave up big plays, but a big part of that was general disarray. It’d be a real reach to chalk that up to DJ alone.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 26, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Mmm love the sarcasm...I'm right with you
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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 26, 2010 10:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think they will trade him...
…I think they may get a 3rd. Why? If I was another franchise I see a versatile LB with speed who can blitz and cover. I’m not finding a guy with his skills in the 3rd round.
I think we'd be able to get a 3rd & 5th for him, but not more
…which is what the Jets gave up for Braylon Edwards.
Not saying I’d be happy with that compensation, but I can’t see a team giving up much more for the guy.
I think DJ’s style would compliment McClain’s perfectly, but I’m not an expert on the linebacker position….
Predictions:
This year will be better
And I'd think that, too.
But the “He’s the best player on my board” comment makes me think teams have him rated higher.
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by KaloPhoenix on Jan 26, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Same here
I was hoping for a max of a 2nd rounder. But from the sound of it we might be in the market for a low first. Who knows, a team making a run might just offer it if they desperately need a coverage LB now.
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by Scaryclouds on Jan 26, 2010 11:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be stunned and elated with a 1st round pick for him
but it’s not going to happen. Would you give up a low first rounder for a talented but unspectacular linebacker who’s midway through his career? I guess anything it possible, but that’s pretty highly unlikely.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Yeah
no one is going to give up a 1st round pick for a LB drafted in 2005. Maybe a 2nd…try the Falcons, they gave up a 2nd for a guy drafted in 1997…19-freakin’-97!
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 26, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Except that ...
There are a number of other factors playing into this situation that make this a whole lot different than what we’d normally be able to get for him.
I laughed when I read that quote on NFP
An anomymous personnel person on another team says that DJ is the best player on the Chiefs? Better than JCharles? Better than Dorsey? Better than Flowers? Yes, let’s definitely talk trade with that guy, because he’s an idiot.
I agree with Jon— “one game does not a career make.” DJ’s been here for years and KC has had terrible defenses with several different defensive staffs, none of whom have been able to eradicate DJ’s serious liabilities. I thought the Haley plan— part of the nickel package— was the best use of his talents, and worked out as well as you could expect. But if KC takes Rolando McLain in Round 1, then yes, they have a better LB to plug into the interior of the 3-4.
Let’s see, last year they got a mid-2nd round for future HOF tight end…. Arizona’s been trying to trade their former Pro Bowl wideout Boldin and per the media the best offer they had was a 3rd round pick….what would DJ bring? I think a 4th round pick is the best we could likely get for him. Meh. Maybe better to hold on to him for another year.
No, that's not what he said.
The nameless personnel guy said that, due to the rules on Free Agency this off-season and the lack of the bargaining agreement, DJ is the best Free Agent currently on their own team’s board.
A more charitable interpretation
Well, that’s certainly a more sane viewpoint for a personnel pro. But being the best FA off of a 31st-ranked defense, after several years in the league without establishing Pro Bowl-level performance… I think DJ has pretty much established his ceiling. Although the changes in FA rules and the lack of a CBA changes the landscape somewhat, OTOH what looks to be a very deep draft this year may make draft pick compensation in trades ‘slide’ a little lower in terms of what other teams are likely to offer. If DJ brings a 3rd round pick I’d be very happy and take the deal.
DJ for Boldin straight up.
If not, take a 3rd and a 5th if it comes. No way anyone gives up a 2nd. You can get a better, younger LB with a second round pick.
Hmmm
This actually has some merit to it. DJ for Boldin, then we sign Dansby and DJ fills the hole he left.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 26, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I continue to believe that DJ's biggest gift to the Chiefs was that last game
he increased his value ten fold….
Move him….Yo-Yo player
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KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
not again
please dont tell me we are about to trade away one of our best players again cuz haily feels threatend by him?
by cainsbigonchiefs on Jan 26, 2010 11:24 AM CST reply actions
Haley's threatened by DJ?
Where did you get that from? Haley was hardly threatened by Tony. And he definitely wasn’t threatened by Waters’ preseason comments.
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by KaloPhoenix on Jan 26, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Not to mention that Tony G asked for a trade...
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Re: Trade our best player
We’re not trading one of our best players because DJ isn’t one of them. And if he is, that’s more of an indictment on the supporting cast than it is support for keeping him around.
At first, i was scared of losing DJ
But now that I’m re-watching some games, I really see what Haley was talking about, i.e. “yo-yo” player. He makes some bad mistakes, but also some bad ass plays. If he can be more consistent, he’d be one of our best players. But until he does, he might be a liability.
If we can take advantage of the lack of FA’s this offseason to tender and trade him for significant value, that might be a very reasonable thing to do. After all, many are saying this is the best draft class in years.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Jan 26, 2010 11:28 AM CST reply actions
DJ will be traded to Detroit
This was one of Gunthers core players. I say 3rd or 4th round
Pioli's not moving him for a 4th
he’s likely worth more as a 3rd down LB than whoever we could get in the 4th.
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 26, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
3rd or 4th?!
No way. If he is high value…. you go for #1 or tell them to buzz off. Why not send him and 2 of our 5th round picks to Detriot for their #1. Then they don’t have to pay a lot of money to a high pick and we can get Suh and Berry. If Suh is gone go Berry then McClain.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
How would you feel...
if KC traded our first rounder for a reserve LB a 2nd, and a 5th? Only similar situation I could see would be our first and DJ to move up to Detroit’s spot.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I would rather get detroit's second rounder than their first anyways.
2nd rounders in this draft are 1st rounders in every other draft.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Jan 26, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe then, this begs the question of...
if dealt, will DJ be dealt before the draft itself?
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I would be ok with it...
For a first or second…
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DJ is one of the guys
that I felt might be traded this offseason, nice to hear other teams have interest in him. I think he will get traded but not for a 1st, not Piolis style, I think it will be for a couple of picks on days 2 & 3
this draft is gonna be three days long?
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Im a DJ fan but
he is very inconsistent. If he doesnt fix it, he will not be here. I saw DJ live this year, and he flat out misses too many tackles. If he fixes that one problem, he could go from mediocre to great. The question is will he ever fix it. I assure you one thing, if this group we have in KC cant fix it, then I dont believe anyone will.
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