Chiefs' Crennel Speaks Highly of UCF's DT Torell Troup
by Joel Thorman on Jan 24, 2010 9:58 AM CST
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Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle Ron Edwards will be 31 years old when the 2010 season starts next September. Every year, he's not supposed to be the starter and somehow he's been there since 2006, surviving not only the regime change but the scheme change as well.
The song remains the same with folks proclaiming the Chiefs need to select a defensive tackle in April's draft.
One player, Torell Troup of UCF, stands 6'3" and weighs 310 pounds, and has caught the eye of Romeo Crennel the last week in the East-West Shrine practices.
"Troup showed that he is a very physical and strong guy on the inside," Crennel said after the game. "He can push the pocket. He’s a good kid. He tries hard and does what you tell him to do. As a coach, that’s exactly what you’re looking for."
Remember, the Chiefs brass has been big on "coach-able" guys and the right fit.
Troup said he showed up to meetings 15-20 minutes early this week and wanted to demonstrate that he had the classroom skills to compete in the NFL.
"I learned [this week] that you have to be accountable," Troup said. "You have to be a certain place and, if you’re not, they’re going to move on without you. Practice was more high tempo than in college."
Hmm...his coach was Romeo Crennel. He plays on the defensive line and Crennel coaches the defensive line - the same defensive line the announcers called "dominant" in yesterday's East-West game.
I know Romeo's not tipping his hand three months before the draft but I believe the Chiefs are interested in a defensive tackle and there aren't many of those guys out there.
Scouts project he could rise as high as the second round or fall as low as the fifth round.
(H/T WTexKC in the FanShots)
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If the shoe fits...
and Romeo is happy with it…..
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
In a 3-4 he should be a little bigger.
but if Romeo wants him and says he’s good, who the hell am I to question it?
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
a 6'3 310 college senior
can usually put on about about 20 pounds of muscle with a proper NFL-caliber strength and conditioning coach/program without a whole lot of trouble.
If he has the talent and intangibles that Romeo wants, take him. Let the coaching staff worry about bulking him up during the offseason.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Bigger?
That’s pretty huge…I would be ok with it. Jason Ferguson is smaller and a stud NT.
Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...
There is no reason to want him to be 350lbs...
If the last 40lbs is all Fat… If he has the strength and can move bodies, then we could use him. I agree that the extra mass makes him harder to move, but it also limits his playing time… We could use a guy like this, though I think we might need to look at other players in the first three rounds besides him. There are too many solid (almost guaranteed) players in the first three rounds to take an uneccsary shot… Maybe…
We could take him in the 3rd
and get good value for minimal risk.
and who said anything about him gaining 40 pounds of fat? I suggested he put on 20lbs of muscle and I’m the only other person that’s put a number on it thus far so…. I highly doubt the Haley coaching staff would allow ANY player to put on even 10 pounds of fat, let alone anything even remotely close to 40.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
KC has spent 3 1st round picks and 2 2nd rounders on the defensive line in the past 4 years
At some point they have to develop and stick with what they have
Last year I thought that BJ Raji was the one to take for NT if they were going D Line
If they still want to use the draft for D Line, here are some 5 star Scouts Inc players :
Pos Pos
Rank Rating Name Yr Ht/Wt/40 College Home
DT 1 Ndamukong Suh SR 6-4/300/- Nebraska Portland, OR
DT 2 Gerald McCoy JR 6-4/289/- Oklahoma Oklahoma City, OK
DT 3 Dan Williams SR 6-3/305/- Tennessee Memphis, TN
DT 4 Brian Price JR 6-1/270/- UCLA Los Angeles, CA
DT 5 Jared Odrick SR 6-5/291/- Penn State Lebanon, PA
DT 6 Terrence Cody SR 6-5/365/- Alabama Fort Myers, FL
DT 7 Arthur Jones SR 6-4/289/- Syracuse Endicott, NY
DT 8 Lamarr Houston Jr. SR 6-2/275/- Texas Colorado Springs, CO
Out of that group I like Cody – only one big enough to be that dominant NT
Also in FA there may be players available :
Top Defensive Tackles:
Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots (28)
The Patriots acknowledged being unable to keep both of their elite defensive linemen by trading away Richard Seymour, freeing up enough money to retain Vince Wilfork. Wilfork is one of the league’s premier nose tackles and one of the cornerstones for the Patriots’ defense. Once the season ends, the Patriots should start immediately trying to get him under contract so not to give him an option to walk. If he hits free agency, there are a number of teams that will heavily court Wilfork at a premium position.
Richard Seymour, Oakland Raiders (30)
Seymour has been coined one of the best defensive linemen of the decade and made himself a fixture in Honolulu prior to the last two seasons, including one curtailed by injury. Seymour has the ability and experience of playing 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE. He excels in run defense, but also has the ability to apply pressure and collapse the pocket. Moving to Oakland, the defensive line has been injected with a burst of energy and has performed pretty well overall. Seymour didn’t seem too excited about being blindsided in a trade to Oakland and I’d be surprised to see him make a full-time switch to a losing team from a winning organization like the Patriots.
Aubrayo Franklin, San Francisco 49ers (30)
Franklin has emerged as one of the elite nose tackles this year, helping the 49ers to fielding one of the best run defenses in the league this year. He doesn’t provide much against the pass, but is able to occupy blockers and hold at the point of attack. If the Niners can’t reach a deal with Franklin, they’re expected to use the franchise tag on him.
Casey Hampton, Pittsburgh Steelers (32)
Hampton has played pretty well this season, just outside of an elite level with a contract set to expire at the end of the year. The Steelers are among the top 3 teams in run defense this year and lead the league from a raw yardage standpoint. With a number of teams making the switch to the 3-4 without a proper nose tackle, Hampton’s salary could skyrocket through free agency. Great championship teams like the Steelers won’t overpay for players and that could be the case here. Hampton, earlier this season, hinted toward a move away from Pittsburgh if the money warrants it.
Ryan Pickett, Green Bay Packers (30)
Under Dom Capers, the Packers defense has made a complete transformation into a new unit. The most impressive turnaround comes from the defensive line and the front 7’s ability to stop the run. Pickett has turned around his career in Green Bay and done a fantastic job at NT on run downs, where almost all of his snaps have come. First round pick BJ Raji is seeing most of the snaps in passing situations. He’s one of the under-the-radar tackles in the league. The Packers should look to retain Pickett, but if he ends up costing too much, the Packers already have some coin committed to Raji who has also played remarkably well in shared snaps. Losing Pickett would be a big blow to the depth of the Packers DL.
Tony Brown, Tennessee Titans (29)
While some of the Titans’ defensive line has struggled this season, Tony Brown hasn’t been one of them. Actually, he’s one of the underrated defensive tackles in the league and one of the best pass rushers from the interior. He is a quick, penetrating UT that the Titans are expected to re-sign. After losing Haynesworth last year, losing Tony Brown would be a big blow to the front line.
Other Notable Free Agents:
Kendrick Clancy, New Orleans Saints (32)
Barry Cofield, New York Giants (26)
Jason Ferguson, Miami Dolphins (35)
Kedric Golston, Washington Redskins (27)
Tank Johnson, Cincinnati Bengals (28)
Travis Johnson, San Diego Chargers (28)
Fred Robbins, New York Giants (33)
Clifton Ryan, St. Louis Rams (26)
Tank Tyler, Carolina Panthers (25) – Restricted FA
(from http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/dl.html )
I like Wilfork or Pickett of that group
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
I'm not a huge fan of getting DTs through FA
With these guys’ size, they usually don’t last long and with many of them getting big money deals, the desire to be great goes down. And with DTs, it’s based a lot on effort.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 24, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Every D Lineman the Chiefs have drafted high in the last 10 years has been a disappointment
Sims, Dorsey, McBride, Magee, Hali, Jackson – the list goes on – no pro bowlers in the lot
Only Allen, a 4th rounder, has turned out great
KC might want to try a different draft strategy
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
well
Dorsey, Magee and Jackson still have a good chance to be solid players
even if none ever make the pro bowl
(but, i have a feeling Dorsey and Jackson might just make it someday)
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
You're already down on Magee, Jackson, and Dorsey?
That’s just ridiculous. Jackson outperformed virtually every defensive lineman drafted this year. Magee performed well. Dorsey performed beyond expectations. None are disappointing, except those who hold allusions that are entirely unrealistic.
by Dagda on Jan 24, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
WarWolf ... maybe, just maybe, if Crennel and his staff get a chance to work with Jackson, Dorsey, McGee they WILL be pro bowlers, or at least far better than they are now
… further, had Crennel been able to work with McBride and/or Tyler they too might have been better
by your own admission there are some good finds in later rounds, such as Allen … as we’re not likely to get Suh, I’d have no issues with Pioli & Braintrust taking Troup in 2nd or 3rd round … Cody won’t fall that far and I’d prefer Okung in 1st … Williams or McCoy maybe, esp McCoy, been reading good stuff on the guy lately
but please, please … let’s build thru the draft and not overpriced FA’s …
as for our young kids (Jackson, et al) let’s give them a chance to learn and grow and develop at this level
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
You do realize
that Pioli, Haley, Crennel, and Weis didn’t have anything to do AT ALL with drafting/developing anyone other than Jackson and Magee…. right?
Give me a break man, you gotta be at least kind of realistic here and admit it’s just a tad early to start judging guys like Dorsey, Tyson or Magee. Besides, being a pro bowler isn’t the only mark of a good player.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
not only is being a pro-bowler not the ONLY mark of being a good player...
….is absolutely NO mark at all.
Back when the pro-bowl used to be decided by coaches and players it actually ment something.
Now, with the ‘general public’ voting for the pro-bowl it’s all but meaningless.
People vote for whoever is popular THAT WEEK,. They also vote for their ‘favorite players’ and for guys from ‘their team’, and in some cases (like for linemen and non-skill positions) people just vote for whatever guy plays on the winning team.
People, by and large, are complete morons when it comes to voting for the pro-bowl. Very few every actually bother to look at and stats or watch some game tape and make an honest assessment of who played the position the best over the course of the season. (which is what the pro-bowl honor is supposed to be).
As long as they keep letting the general public vote for who makes the pro-bowl it will be completely meaningless to me. You could tell me a guy had been to 15 pro-bowls and I wouldn’t give that as much weight as making ‘All Pro’ (not selected by the general public) ONCE.
We won’t even mention the fact that COUNTLESS players have made a pro-bowl because the people that were elected to the game decided not to play; so some other guy gets to go too.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Jan 24, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
For instance
I read that Harrison was voted second place for ‘dirtiest NFL player’ this year.
He retired last year and sits behind a desk doing NFL comentary.
Another fine example of why the general public should not be allowed to vote.
If you need another example I point you tword : American Idol – Does the general public know anything about musical construction or theory?, Dancing with the Stars – How exactly are you qualified to judge who has done the best ‘foxtrot’ or ‘ballroom’ dance when you can’t even remember the steps to the macarena?, and my absolute favorite…. there was an elimination based reality COOKING show on last season (which failed after 2 episodes). A buch of people would all cook the same dish and then callers would text/call in their votes of which one was the best…… ummm, how the hell would they know?
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Jan 24, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
ill tell you right now
Price from ucla is dominat he is the real deal. I takes over. And as for cody he’s a joke he’s not that great. Price or wilfork
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Jan 24, 2010 11:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
price
isnt a nt, is he?
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
ya he is hes a monster
And the guy plays hurt I mean that guy is dominant he actually I’mpressed me I would love to see him on this line. Right now we have to know that dorsey and jackson are a dominant nose tackle away from being very good dorsey is a monster he just needs help.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Jan 24, 2010 12:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was saying that price ISN'T a 3-4 NT
he’s a 4-3 DT, or 3-4 DE, I think
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
Cody's endurance sucks soooo hard
You won’t see me arguing against Wilfork though, that’s for sure.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
ya cody is a joke i watched him closely on a couple games he has no burst he has no
Endurance and I seen him on more that one accasion get an handled with one on one coverage and he does not have a nose for the football.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Jan 24, 2010 12:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If Romeo wants Troup
then I’m more than happy to use our early picks to fill other holes (McClain anyone?) and take Troup at the top of the 3rd. Weight as a senior in college is hardly a reason to rule out a draft pick, give him a full offseason with an NFL SAC coach and he’ll be 330 if they want him to be.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Ok, WarWolf, first of all
nobody said they were going to draft Troupe in the first or even second round. So there goes that argument. Next, you’re trying to lump all of these DTs into the same category when comparing what we have, what we need, and what is in the draft and free agency. We’re talking about getting a NT at this point, so no need to argue about the Suh’s, McCoy’s, Seymore’s, etc. It seems like what we’re talking about here is the opportunity to get a good NT in the mid rounds which is a good thing.
To be fair, I did put Troup in the late 2nd
With a pick KC doesn’t even have, because it was after someone projected a trade with the Texans.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 25, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
I wish Romeo
Had gotten a chance to coach up Tank Tyler. I think he had a lot of potential. I don’t think having Krumrie scream in his face was going to bring the best out of him.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
+1
And Crennell has personality…maybe the only one one the coaching staff
Jerome
you're joking... right?
the ONLY ONE on the staff with a personality?
Haley and Weis aren’t exactly sedate and boring to watch.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
I think
most the players king carl drafted over the last 10 years have been a disappointment. here’s to hoping that’s changed.
What would Alexander the Great do?
truthseeker ... go check the 2008 draft and tell me it's disappointing ... most of those guys are still on the team
Jared Allen was a Peterson draft pick … disappointing? Dustin Colquitt … ?
problem with Carl was that he didn’t draft enough, instead choosing all too often to bring in over-the-hill vets thru FA … that’s not how to keep a team young and fresh
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Jan 24, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Whats the deal with Eric Berry?
Has he decided to ender yet or whats going on? Are we not wanting him anymore? Lol.
He's in the draft.
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
by nateforchiefs on Jan 24, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
i would say pass on berry unless we can land wilfork
And I still say spikes from florida is the man he is the next coming of ray lewis. That guy is a monster. I would b happy with spikes. Price from ucla if he comes out or any offensive lineman to help jamaal and cassel out
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Jan 24, 2010 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i really don't like spikes at all
McClain is a FAR better for this team
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
+1
Spikes would fit well in Philly or Oakland, someplace where character is irrelevant.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
I'd love to see Berry in a chiefs uni
but considering the teams ahead of us in the draft order, he’s almost guaranteed to be gone when we come up on the clock at 5. If, for some reason, he’s still there I say we’d be idiots NOT to take him, I just don’t see any way for him to fall to us. In his absence, I’d take McClain and give DJ a young stud ILB to pair up with. The guy is an absolute beast and his ability to read offenses and adjust the entire defense accordingly in a fraction of a second is incredible. He’s an instant leader for the long-haul no matter where he ends up.
Spikes has no respect for the game. Seriously, eye-gouging? If he ends up as a Chief I’m going to kick something out of frustration.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
I am hoping we get Cody but...
I also don’t have six Super Bowl appearances (5 Super Bowl rings) on my resume. If this is the guy Crennel wants to be his NT for the long run. I approve.
Cody is a waste of a pick imo
he has yet to show he can do more than play 2 downs before he needs to rest and he’s got worse work ethic than Andre Smith did leading up to last year’s draft.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
cody could be up at 400 pounds by the time of the combine...
if he is as lazy if the media says he is.
by MountainManMike on Jan 24, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
I very much respect you and your opinion
Mr. Thorman so I don’t want you to take this the wrong way but, do you think maybe Romeo is just saying that kind of stuff for this kid just to be nice? I don’t really know but does he heap praise on other people like this? I just don’t know if he’s just throwing compliments out of his ass, or if he really means it is all.
You better snap the effing ball Cassel.... Todd has beaten small children for less... Just ask Whitlock....
If you had watched the Senior Bowl
you know Crennel wasn’t just pulling shit out of his ass, kid can seriously play. Besides, he has no real motivation to be nice to these kids.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
No I watched and this kid just never really jumped out at me.
I just didn’t know if Crennel was asked about this guy and he said what he said or if he just started talking about him. And I disagree he’s not going to just come out and say “this guy is a piece of shit I wish he wasn’t on my team.” So he does have some motivation to be nice.
You better snap the effing ball Cassel.... Todd has beaten small children for less... Just ask Whitlock....
by kcchiefskicka on Jan 24, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
The other DT #94 seemed to play better than Troup to me
Mike Neal maybe out of Purdue
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Believe he was asked
something along the lines of “did anyone stand out to you.” No self-respecting coach would EVER say “this guy was a piece of shit, etc….” in regards to a ~20 year old kid prepping for the draft. He mentioned Troupe for a reason, the guy has talent. He’s a little raw in some respects but none of us saw him in meetings, practices, on the sidelines, etc… all of which Romeo did.
If Crennel thinks Troupe has the ability to start and excel as a NT in the NFL then I’m all in. Romeo knows what he wants in a DL/NT and, given his track record, I’m more than willing to trust his judgment on a kid like Troupe whom I admittedly know little about at this point.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Whoa
Mr. Thorman? That’s what they call my dad. :)
But, yeah, I do agree with you kcchiefskicka. However, when he says a guy is coach-able, I think that speaks well of him because those are the types of guys the Chiefs are looking to get.
I think character and ability to learn are very, very important for Pioli and Co.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 24, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather just keep the 5 and take McClain
or Berry if, by some miracle, he’s still available at 5.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Troup is a backup
I would think about taking Troup in the later rounds as a back up for now. Maybe in a few years he could maybe a starter. We need to pick up a starter at NT this year .
if we want a starter
we need to go after wilfork. i am hesitant to start any of the available draftees at NT right away.
I live in Orlando,
And Troup has been one of the names that’s been mentioned very frequently down here. The fact that Romeo Crenell has given him such a ringing endorsement says a LOT. Plus, he’d be a steal in the third round, possibly the late second. While taking a big name NT would be good in the short term, all the available free agents are getting to that magic age where there skills start declining, or they’re sure locks by their teams. We might as well draft, and get one that will be serviceable and coachable for the future. Ron Edwards isn’t the answer, And any free agents that will be actually available will be stop gaps at best.
by BetterRedThanDead on Jan 24, 2010 1:25 PM CST reply actions
Looks like he'll be a Chiefs with our second pick of the second round
That leaves us to take a SS/LB/OT with the first two… maybe add a WR…
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Like him
He’s got great work ethic, heard when he first started playing he was like 340-50 and dropped the weight down to 310, says a lot about him(and Terrance Cody) would like to pick him up with our 3rd rounder, but would also like a veteran FA like Pickett or Wilfork that could mentor him for a couple of years. Our 1st round DL prospects haven’t been that great because they’ve started their first years in the league and weren’t eased in. Crennel likes him though so i’m pretty sure we’ll be picking him up, its not a lock but pretty close to it.
Here's what I wrote a few weeks ago about Troup:
He’s a powerful player with a low center of gravity at a position where that and his size are at a premium. There aren’t many guys like that this year. I see Cody, Dan Williams, and then Troup. No others are really coming to mind at this point, and I think the big reason Troup hasn’t been rated more highly in the past is because he plays at UCF. If he’s as decent as I think he is, he’ll catch some eyeballs at the post-season workouts.
Anyway, if I’ve learned anything from the most common oversimplification of the precepts of capitalism, it’s that reduced supply increases a commodity’s value. Hence my rating of Troup in the late-2nd. I think he could go in the third or fourth, sure, but this wouldn’t be a monumental reach.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/1/11/1246109/this-draft-is-setting-up-for-the#28705725
I think Crennel has a nice eye for nose tackles. ;)
by burntorangehorn on Jan 25, 2010 10:30 AM CST reply actions
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