Brady, Gannon Say Chiefs' Cassel Will Fit Well With Weis
by Joel Thorman on Jan 21, 2010 8:00 AM CST
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PrintKansas City Chiefs QB Matt Cassel recently spoke with Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star regarding the addition of Charlie Weis. Cassel was excited, as he should be, because he understands what Weis did for a former teammate of his - Tom Brady.
"I know he loved him as a coach," Cassel said. "He talked about him all the time and would always tell me what a huge impact he had on his career. He tells me he’s a great leader and a great coach and he provides great direction."
When Todd Haley released Chan Gailey and became his own offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach at the beginning of the season, assistant Joel Collier began to become kind of the de facto quarterbacks coach. It was a strange fit, to say the least, since Collier's title with the Chiefs is Assistant General Manager.
Former Chiefs quarterback and current CBS analyst Rich Gannon told Teicher that adding a coordinator should simply give Cassel enough time with one person.
"Todd told me at one point during the season that he liked the road games the best because he could sit next to Matt on the plane and they could go through everything, all the different game situations and the first 20 plays and third downs and all of those things," Gannon said. "That’s because he was trying to catch up from what they missed during the week."
"Now that Charlie is here, it will be great to have a guy who can concentrate totally on the offense," Cassel said.
(H/T soybon)
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God I hope he does for our QB what he did for Brady in NE.
Please. Nothing is more important than your QB. And right now we don’t have a QB capapble of making us winners. If Weis can change that, I’ll be ecstatic. Please Weis. Please. Turn Cassel into a winner!!
The hiring of Weis has been the biggest encouraging news for me with regards to Cassel.
It’s not fair he didn’t get the help he needed from a coaching or an offensive line position. He deserves this. And we owe him support for one more season to prove himself.
I agree 100%
Charlie Weis should help greatly. Cassell has all the physical tools, except maybe the accuracy on deep throws, and he has made it clear to me that he is a leader and a gym rat. If Weis can pull all of those different aspects of his game together we will have a complete qb in no time. If we can get a legitamite no.1 WR in here Cassell could be the biggest suprise in fantasy football next year!
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Jan 21, 2010 8:51 AM CST reply actions
I'd like to see Matt gain some weight too.
Just needs to bulk up a little bit. He goes down to easy.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
message from me to Cassel
Break a leg man, no seriously, break a leg.
Can anyone see Cassel leading the team to the SB? Can you see Cassel on front page of SI holding the SB trophy? I sure can’t.
But, I hope im wrong. I would love to eat my words. I still say D-Bowe is better at Tennis than Football.
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
Cassell isn't Croyle
so there wont be any broken legs or any other pansy injury! He has proven he would play through it anyways. How can you not listen to his words and see his leadership and not like is potential? He had down right terrible games this year at time, but he played for the CHIEFS! I love ’em but they are not real pretty to watch. Cassell was a bright spot most of the season when I watched.
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Jan 21, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
Yea, and Croyle isn't Cassel
Cassel, a bright spot? I don’t agree. Im not going to get into an argument about what I think, but I will tell you I don’t see leadership as one of his qualities.
Maybe fellowship. He can be the giant hobbit in LOTR 4
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
Looks at his WR's this year....
…..seriously, did you watch any games? He had over 50 dropped passes. Lets break those numbers down. If those drops are catches his completion precentage is now 65%. If you had those extra 50 catchs, even with his bad average of only 5.93 yds a catch, he is a 3000 yard passer. Further more with those 50 extra catches, based on his completion per td ratio, he would of had 19 tds. And since I watched ever single game this year I know for a fact that there were atleast 4 ints he got credited for that were deflections because the WR couldn’t hang onto the ball. So give him those catches and his years looks like this 65%, 3,220 yds, 19td, and 12 ints. Not to bad for not even having your no 1 WR for a quarter of the year.
And did Cassell ever once point any of this out? Did he ever wine about his team? No!! Cassell built them up, even in the worst of times……I call that leadership!
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Jan 21, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea....
What does it say about Cassel when you have to throw in coulda woulda shoulda stats for the guy? Peyton manning isn’t great because of coulda woulda shoulda. he is great because he is. Cassel is no different in my opinion than say….Ryan Leaf! Yea, I said it, whats up?
Not yelling at your teammates or calling them out makes you a leader? I guess we are all leaders..minus TO…
I remember a game where cassel fumbled the ball on a handoff to Charles, and as he was walking to the sidelines you could read haleys lips. “It’s your fault matt, your fault”
Do you think Cassel was yelling about how he fumbled? or how Charles fumbled?
Sounds like a whinner, not winner to me.
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
One question for you?
what was peytons record his first year with the Colts?
It takes time, and if you can’t see that he is on the right path, then I wonder if you have read any of the article on this website. Or listened to any of the audio. And how can you compare him to Peyton? Peyton will go down as the best QB to ever play this game by the time he retires. That is like comparing Jon Starks to Michael Jordan. I coulda handled you even saying Brady, but Peyton is like watching Jordan in his prime, I can’t get enough of it.
I do see your arguements though, and I will be the first to admit that he is completely over paid and had a bad season. But I think he has a high football IQ and typically with players like that it takes just a little time for it all to click. I feel much better about our QB situation than about 40% of the league.
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Jan 21, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
well
Peyton was a rookie his first season. matt unfortunately is not. He has been in the league for awhile. Was Backup all through college and even majority of his pro career.
reason I compare our QB’s to peyton? why not? Do you want someone as great or greater than Peyton? I do. How many average middle pack QB’s lead the team to SB victories?
how many years will people be saying “next year, next year, next year”?
The guy has it or he don’t. cassel don’t.
Well, croyle has the average wonderlic of 24. cassel was never tested. my guess, is because nobody even thought of him as a possible prospect for the NFL. dang, i think the guy was even a backup in HS lol.
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
well sir....
……lets have this conversation next year and see what you have to say. I think you will be rather happy with the improvements he will make. You act like he has all this experience from being on the bench for 4 years behind Brady. He had to learn two new offenses this year. Not just one, but two becasue of the great idea to get rid of the OC before the season. Thats a bad situation for anyone. He is only 27 years old. And at the rate QB are playing theses days, if he turns it around next year, we could have a starter for the next decade. I am betting just from your comments that you were not a Trent Green fan. I think Trent Green could of won a super bowl if we didnt have the worst defense in the league for 3 years. I see Cassell as a Trent Green type. Not elite my any means, but with talent around him, he should be able to florish. Just takes time.
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Jan 21, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
well...
i hope you are right. I just don’t see it though.
And if this account is not banned by “next year” then we can have this conversation again.
Id much rather draft a QB and make him our own. Something this franchise hasn’t done.
The Trent Green assesment? Na, I liked Green. There was never any doubt when he had the ball in his hands. Green wasn’t an average QB. He just had average WR’s and I respect what he did.
You know, he got injured kinda like Croyle did. Green had to leave the Rams before people got off the injury prone bandwagon. I hope Croyle is traded or released. Id like to see him behind a decent O-Line for once.
Yep, im a Croyle fan. I admit it and I do not want him on this team.
Please Haley, if you stumble across this post by some freak accident, Trade Croyle are release him! Don’t waste him on the bench.
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
Dude your arguements make no sense
Do you not remember Trent Greens 1st year with us, pretty similar to what Cassels year was like. You say you respect what Green did with average wrs, well what the hell do you think Cassel has to work with I wouldnt even call them average. Green got injured once is st louis brokie has been injured like eight thousand times since he has been here. You want to see what brokie looks like behind a decent line, well why not wait til Cassel has a chance to play behind a decent line before saying he is no good. You say you are a brokie fan, Im sorry that explains a lot, and you say you want us to draft a qb and make him our own, well yes we did try that and it didnt even come close to working out, do you remember that guys name….. oh yeah it was brokie croyle.
by badassz1987 on Jan 21, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
reason I compare our QB’s to peyton? why not? Do you want someone as great or greater than Peyton? I do. How many average middle pack QB’s lead the team to SB victories?
There is a big gap between “average middle pack QB” and “Peyton Manning”…MANY QB’s not as good as Manning have won Super Bowls.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 21, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Trent Dilfer
but that’s not my point…there are better than average, but not as good as Manning QB’s who have won Super Bowls.
Troy Aikman. Eli Manning, Kurt Warner, Phil Simms, Brad Johnson, etc.
None of those guys are as good as Peyton Manning, but they’re not average either.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 21, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I think younamed probably the only QB that was average to win a SB which was my beef.
Don’t twist what I say to try and make an argument you present valid.
My first comment
“reason I compare our QB’s to peyton? why not? Do you want someone as great or greater than Peyton? I do”
So, do you want someone equally or better than manning? I DO
Second comment
“How many average middle pack QB’s lead the team to SB victories?”
Thank you for naming probably the only one. Which to me symbolizes a fluke.
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
you did the twisting
I wrote
There is a big gap between "average middle pack QB" and "Peyton Manning"…MANY QB’s not as good as Manning have won Super Bowls.
that big gap contains Troy Aikman. Eli Manning, Kurt Warner, Phil Simms, Brad Johnson, etc.
At least one average QB has won a Super Bowl (I’d argue that Jeff Hostetler was average too), but my point was and is that MANY above average QB’s who are nowhere near as good as Peyton Manning have also won Super Bowls. Cassel does not need to be as good as Manning in order to lead us to a Super Bowl victory.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 21, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Quarterback who have won Super Bowls in the last decade, but aren't as good as Peyton Manning...
…in reverse chronological order: Ben Rothelisburger, Eli Manning, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. That’s just this decade, and there are some people who would even put Tom Brady on that list, because Peyton Manning is one of the best to ever play the game. You don’t need a Peyton Manning to win the Superbowl, if you did, then the Colts would have won every year since 1998.
I agree
Peyton is currently a top 3 of all-time QB, and will likely add another SB trophy and one day be considered the greatest of all-time, Guys like him dont come around often.
You wanted our QB to as good or better than Peyton Manning
that is the thrust of your entire argument.
Everyone is showing you that many QB’s who were not as good as Peyton Manning have won Super Bowls.
Would it be nice to have a QB like Manning? Yes
Is having a QB at least as good as Manning necessary to win a Super Bowl? No, and mountains of evidence support that answer.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 21, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Thank you for agreeing
“reason I compare our QB’s to peyton? why not? Do you want someone as great or greater than Peyton? I do. How many average middle pack QB’s lead the team to SB victories?”
You said yes which was exactly what i was asking.
Then i asked to name AVERAGE QB’s, and the only average QB listed was Trent Dilfer.
I didn’t go into anymore details than that. Now you guys are putting words in my mouth lol.
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
False accusations
No one is putting words in your mouth.
Before you asked us to name AVERAGE QB’s, I had already pointed out that there many QB’s who were neither Average, nor as good as Peyton Manning who have won Super Bowls.
P.S. Dilfer isn’t the only one…Jeff Hostetler was an average QB, and I’d even argue that Jim McMahon was as well.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 21, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
so was brad johnson
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
i can name some more
Doug Williams, Ben Rothelisberger, Jeff hostetler, Ken Stabler, Jim Plunkett
like
totally take Doug Williams off your list. Do you even know who that guy is?
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
do you?
you are the one that bit off more than you can chew with all these ignorant staements.
wouldn't call them ignorant
I have no idea why i state something, and people try and reqord what I say to benefit an argument back.
im stating the abvious about a QB that flat out stinks. The guy was ranked like what? almost dead last? and the only argument people make are coulda woulda shoulda.
Right now, there are a lot of tyson jackson haters..lol. come talk to me in a year or 2.
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
Big Red Fish
Right now, there are a lot of tyson jackson haters..lol. come talk to me in a year or 2.
This is what is known as a red herring
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 21, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
ah
but a rookie in his first year gets a pass. a career backup that has shown nothing does not.
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
I didn't say whether I agree with you or not
I was just pointing out that it was a Big Red Fish
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 21, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
you caught it
you throw it back.
Do you get the joke? Do you know what a red herring is?
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
im gonna agree. you might have gone to far in saying that NO average QB has won a superbowl.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Jan 21, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Jim McMahon, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson.
All IMO were average.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Jan 21, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder what you scored on the "wonderlic"?
oh , dang , you weren’t tested as you say… probably because you were a backup high school player… Nice point. Cassel is in the NFL and you’re jealous because back in 1982 you could throw a football a quarter mile… see them mountains over there? Yeah, back in 82 you could throw it over those mountains…
I can’t believe I’m responding to an…
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
I remember a game where cassel fumbled the ball on a handoff to Charles, and as he was walking to the sidelines you could read haleys lips. "It’s your fault matt, your fault"
Do you think Cassel was yelling about how he fumbled? or how Charles fumbled?
Sounds like a whinner [sic], not winner to me.
You didn’t even mention that Cassel was yelling back at Haley… Do you know he was saying anything to Haley?
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 21, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
he was complaining
like always.
Im not going to sit here and agree with anyone that thinks Cassel has a bright future, or is a leader. There are however other players i could agree with, but this guy? I hope Pioli is a genius like most think. But doodoo is doodoo no matter how much sugar you sprinkle on it.
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
he was complaining
like always.
There is no way you can know that…you’re speculating.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 21, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
meh
When you see the guy flinging his arms in the air shaking his head and then read Haleys lips, it obvious he put the blame on Charles.
Or he could have been saying “my wife painted the house blue. I left the blue paint out for her to paint the bathroom, not the whole house”
Then haley of course says “its your fault matt. your fault”
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
I have given up...
…..Bipolaroid is set in his ways. You can’t expect him to agree with us, but I don’t see how a Doodoo QB, as he put it, could lead a team to 11-5. And dont say its because it was the patriots. It was becasue he had talent around him, which obviously he has a limited amount of that in KC. Give him some talent, which takes TIME, and he will be back to winning 10 games a season.
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Jan 21, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
very true.
So give him those catches and his years looks like this 65%, 3,220 yds, 19td, and 12 ints.
I broke all that stuff down after week 16 as well… just didn’t post it. :)
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
Hey bipolaroid k so its pretty obvious you don’t have faith in Cassell which not going to get into everyone is has an opinion. So conventional thinking is draft and develop our own guy… As that’s what most great teams do. Who you think we should draft?
by karkz86 on Jan 21, 2010 11:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude...That is just wrong.
To wish injury on a guy is just bad karma. Regardless of how you think he performed.
Seriously…not cool.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 21, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
good luck, no seriously, good luck
speculation lol
im sticking to my story
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
it seems as so...
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
You get one black guy from DC to post that he thinks the QB stinks, then all the white hoodies come out LOL.
Im still completely 100% accurate in my statements about Cassel.
He stinks, and will never win the SB.
By the way, what moron would put pictures of his/her child on the internet? Don’t you know people are jerkin off to your avatar?
Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2
Way to hold on to the race card for whole 2hrs
Impressive
However, back to emotionless logic several people have posted a list of average QB’s who have won the Super Bowl and I have yet to hear you refute the list so here it is again. Please give a solid logical rebuttal…
Trent Dilfer (average)
Doug Williams (average)
Jim McMahon (average)
Jeff Hostetler (average)
Troy Aikman (average) yes I said and am prepared to defend this
Ben Rothlisberger (average)
Eli Manning (average)
Jim Plunkett (average)
Mark Rypien (average)
Those are just the guys that won, now how about average guys that made it to the Superbowl but the other TEAM was stronger
Matt Hasselbeck (average)
Rex “Freaking” Grossman for God’s sake (well below average)
Jake “pick six” Delhomme (below average)
Rich Gannon (average) lost to other avg Brad Johnson
Kerry “dropout” Collins
Steve McNair
Chris “concussion” Chandler
Drew Bledsoe
NEIL O’DONNEL, NEIL O’DONNEL, NEIL O’DONNEL
Stan Humphries
Tony Eason
David Woodley
Ken Anderson
That’s enough of that, I am willing to do the list of studs that never won the big one as well, but we should all be familiar with those by now.
Sorry bro, your argument, trolling as it is, really doesn’t hold water. Having a stud all world QB is what everyone wants, if you get one then great.
MOST TEAMS do not get blessed with that luxury. Putting together a great team is far more important than any one player.
I await your response. And I’m not just trolling with the Aikman comment either.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jan 21, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude...
You need to be banned for stupidity. First off, a proud parent would post pictures of his or her child. And only low-life jackholes like you would think of crude gestures about a child.
Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:
1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jan 21, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
And thanks for the "threat" of not posting again
You’ll be missed
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jan 21, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
I really can see Cassel winning a superbowl, because i can see Mark Sanchez winning won too.
and thats more crazy too me.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Jan 21, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
message to Cassel
You got all the tools. Once we get an OL and WR for you,we will be in the playoffs.
You are heads shoulders ahead of Mark Sanchez. That dude has won 2 playoff games for the Jets and he only averages a 100 yards a game passing.
nice
this is the way the star should have done the story…
adam t is missing chan gailey this week….
best OC ever.
should have been hc here…
ruined matt c with his firing…
lmao.
poor adam t
by kcstevesportsfan on Jan 21, 2010 11:38 AM CST reply actions
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