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What Does the Charlie Weis Hiring Mean for the Chiefs' Offense?

Unless you've been living in a cave for a few months, you probably know by now that Charlie Weis was hired to be the offensive coordinator for the Chiefs (in related news, the sky is blue). But the real question you're probably asking is: "what does the Charlie Weis hiring mean for Kansas City?" I mean, we think he's good and that he'll help, but how? What kind of offense will he install? What kind of players will he bring in? What is his fit with Kansas City?

 

I'm still learning about him myself. As always, I can't wait to hear some of the discussion about not only the good, but the bad when it comes to Charlie Weis as the Chiefs' offensive coordinator.

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Fit:

A few weeks ago, Jason Whitlock wrote a piece questioning whether a Todd Haley/Charlie Weis partnership could ever work out. But he takes that opinion a few steps too far by assuming that this is a surefire marriage made in Hell. I'll admit that I was surprised Weis chose to work with an offensive-minded coach, but I actually think the partnership could work out well.

The fact that Haley pushed for Weis at all is a pretty strong sign that he's maturing as a head coach. While he may lose some power, he also gets to settle into an easier job. He doesn't have to worry about the media tearing into him after every single controversial playcall. More importantly, last season, if Haley didn't prepare the gameplan and call plays, the gameplan would never get done. I'm sure there were times he wanted to spend more time coaching up receivers or Matt Cassel. I'm sure there were other things within the game he wanted to pay attention to, rather than devoting his full attention to playcalling. Weis' presence allows Haley to be whatever coach he wants to be. I'm sure Haley realizes that the power he had last season isn't as exciting as it's advertised to be.  In terms of fit, Weis will fit into Kansas City just fine. Just as Dick Lebeau fit in just fine with Mike Tomlin, a young defensive head coach, at the helm.

As for Weis or Crennel becoming a threat to Haley as a coach, let's get real here. If the Chiefs don't win games under Weis and Crennel, then those two are just as much a part of the problem as Haley. If Haley succeeds, then why fire him? I doubt that Haley is looking over his shoulder. He knows that his future with this franchise depends on the Chiefs' future success. That was true even before Romeo or Weis were hired.

Now, if there is a downside to the Weis hiring it's that he could very well be using this position as a stepping stone for bigger and better things. If Weis improves the Chiefs' offense, he could become a hot commodity in the head coaching market and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened as soon as 2011. All Weis has to do is to prove that he can still coach on the pro level. If Weis leaves after only a year or two of service, it could threaten the continuity of the offense. 

Playcalling:

From a playcalling standpoint, we might have to get used to Haley's aggressive style of game management. Weis has a history of making some questionably risky playcalls when the situation doesn't call for it. Hopefully one aggressive coach will keep the other from making poor decisions, but it's more likely than not that the Chiefs are going to be ultra-aggressive again this season. That's a potential downside to consider.

As for the actual system, if you really pay close attention to the kinds of offenses Charlie Weis has built in the past, you start to get an idea about what kind of offense he'll want to build in the future. And yes, that offense will likely resemble the offense the Patriots currently run under Bill Belichick and the offense the Broncos are trying to build under Josh McDaniels. And yes, there is also some overlap with Todd Haley's offensive system.

The entire offense is built around the ability to do everything on offense, from any formation at any time. They're not afraid to run five-receiver sets and they're not afraid to hit you in the mouth with a power running game, and often times, they'll operate out of the no-huddle so that defenses don't have time to adjust. When defenses become too aggressive, the offense will make you look foolish by dialing in a screen pass. If defenses cheat on the run game, they'll hit you with a playaction pass. If the defense chooses not to respect the run game, they'll hit you in the mouth with an inside run. Most unique to the scheme, however, is the way they blend both a horizontal and vertical passing attack. Whereas West Coast Offenses focus on more of a short, disciplined passing attack and Coryell Offenses focus on a vertical attack, the Erhardt-Perkins offense focuses on a blend of both. They will force you to honor the deep pass and then hit you with a lot of the short to medium stuff. 

There's a lot of good stuff about the type of offense you can expect to see here and here.

Personnel:

At the Quarterback position, Weis has a Quarterback in Matt Cassel that really thrived in this system and a lot of that is because Cassel's strength is in the horizontal passing game throwing a lot of the short- to medium-range stuff. In Tom Brady's first seasons as a Quarterback under Weis, he really wasn't asked to throw a lot of deep stuff. Arguably, Brady was good but not great at the deep ball earlier in his career (that, of course, has changed over time). That's great news, because Cassel currently throws a very questionable deep ball. While many might suggest that Charlie Weis is some kind of a Quarterback guru, it might just be that Weis is really good at setting up an offense that is very comfortable for a Quarterback to operate in. I originally thought that Charlie Weis was going to heavily consider drafting Jimmy Clausen because of his working relationship with him. While I'm not crazy about Matt Cassel, I actually think this is the kind of situation where he could thrive.

As for his protection, the system clearly needs good blockers to keep Cassel upright. However, because the scheme relies on punishing defenses for being overaggressive, a lot of those blocking issues can be resolved through creative playcalling. The offense might not rely on amazing blockers, but it likely needs able, intelligent blockers. Unlike Mel Kiper, I don't think the Chiefs need to worry about their Left Tackle situation. I don't think you need stud offensive linemen to operate in this system. You can find a lot of the guys you need in the later rounds.

At the Wide Receiver position, Charlie Weis really seems to like sure-handed receivers. And on most teams he's coached, he's had a huge receiver (Keyshawn Johnson, Michael Floyd, David Givens)  complemented by a smaller possession receiver (Wayne Chrebet, Deion Branch, Golden Tate) with decent but not unbelievable speed. The Chiefs have their West Coast guy in Dwayne Bowe, though his hands aren't what they should be. They have some guys like Bobby Wade and Lance Long who sort of fit the mold of a slot possession receiver, but they're nowhere near the kind of player Weis probably wants. And while I really liked the play of Chris Chambers this season, if the Chiefs can find a way to maneuver for a player like Anquan Boldin, that would make for a better fit for this offense. At receiver, expect the Chiefs to find some kind of a slot receiver who is a tactician of the game. Decent but not breakneck speed, outstanding hands, and a flawless route runner. In fact, you might as well just call Golden Tate to the podium right now.  

At Tight End, Weis is going to want guys who can roll out into routes and cover more of that short ground. Brad Cottam proved to be a solid target, Leonard Pope appeared to be a decent enough target, and who knows, maybe Jake O'Connell will find hands sometime this year. Still, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chiefs make a play for a more consistent receiving target and, much as we hate to talk about Patriotizing the Chiefs, it's quite possible that the Chiefs consider a guy like Benjamin Watson to fill that role.

The Running Back position is a little bit tricky. I've been trying to figure out how Jamaal Charles fits into this offense, because he's so different from the type of back Weis typically prefers. While the Erhardt-Perkins scheme isn't necessarily married to a ball-control offense, it does rely on a running game that will keep Linebackers honest. That seems to be more suited for a smashmouth interior running game as opposed to the outside running game Charles is particularly good at. I expect Weis to find a way to make him work, but I also expect him to make bringing in some kind of a bigger back a higher priority. The Chiefs need to bring in a rotational back to spell Charles anyway. 

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The Hiring means.........

that Haley will not be the OC this year. I will pass judgement at week 11 next year.

Im Cakn Patna n Eatn it 2

by Bipolaroid on Jan 21, 2010 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

rec

good stuff Jon

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 21, 2010 9:23 AM CST reply actions  

I hope....

Weis and Crennel will bring both sides along at a even pace cuz if the offense cant protect, it would nt matter if we had a Brady, the offense wont progress at all. T he defense has got to get better at take aways, and scoring afterwards. if the defense can help by giving our offense a short field situation, then all the more better.

Toby J. Neal

by chiefs24 on Jan 21, 2010 9:47 AM CST reply actions  

nice post rec'd

I think allowing Haley more time to manage the whole team is going to greatly improve the output of everyone. Weis is going to make this offense respectable, and well known. Teams are going to have to gameplan for us this year with the emergence of JC and Weis on board. Im just wondering who Joel is going to be sitting next to in the plush gameboxes of Arrowhead, is Crennel going to be up there or maybe even Weis?

Warriors come out and play

by jrcnc on Jan 21, 2010 10:13 AM CST reply actions  

Good work Jon, and rec'd.

I’m interested in seeing if we keep the zone-stretch blocking scheme was ran for the last quarter or so of 2009. It suited our line, suited Charles—but as you’ve pointed out, isn’t the typical smashmouth scheme found in EP offenses. Time’ll tell I suppose…

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Jan 21, 2010 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

I love it Jon. And I'll add that I don't think Weis is going to be gone anytime soon.

Anyway you slice it. College is a HUGE, MAJOR step down from NFL coaching. It’s a demotion. The halls of history are overloaded and packed to capacity with great college coaches who gave their hand a try at HC’ing in the NFL and got shot down in flames.
Most notably in recent years would have to be Petrino and Spurrier. Major failures.

The fact that Weis could not cut it in the college ranks certainly is not going to help his resume for HC’ing in the NFL. I think he needs some time with one team and needs to show he’s still got it. That’ he can take a tank offense and ressurect it to greatness.

That won’t happen over night or even in 2 years. So I think we’re fine for now. By then Vermeil should be hankerin’ to get back to coaching and we’ll bring him in to run things. He’ll make Weis look bad. We win.

by krayfish on Jan 21, 2010 10:34 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

apples to oranges

college ball isn’t necessarily a demotion, it’s an entirely different process. you’re teaching raw talents vs directing professionals.

weis sucked in college because he couldn’t develop players, and couldn’t translate his NFL schemes to less experienced personnel. he did best when he had an experienced line his first couple years. after that, nobody had been taught technique because weis was able to assume that in the NFL everyone knows the basics. not so in college.

chuck’s failure at the NCAA level says little to nothing about his ability to OC in the pros. at worst, it says he’s a poor teacher of fundamentals and maybe a lousy head coach. which we didn’t hire him for in KC.

by ExtraMetal on Jan 21, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The key

To keeping the continuation of the staff is to keep hiring young assistants to learn the system so they can step up whenever anyone leaves. Belichick is a master at the coaching staff. He always has guys ready to step in a role. When your team is good every bad team tries to pry your staff away…so you have to be smart. We need to always have a good bright young DQC and OQC along with good assistants under the positional coaches.

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Jan 21, 2010 10:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Really like the link breaking down the Pats offense

Here is the blogger’s quote about what is required from the QB in the Patriots/Ehrhardt/Perkins offensive system:

So what does a quarterback need to play in this offense? Not very much. The quarterback needs to possess only limited ability: good football smarts, short to medium passing accuracy, an arm good enough to make the deep ball a possibility, and a good play action fake. Brady fits this mold perfectly and plays as one would expect a quarterback who fits a system perfectly to perform.

If this is true, then it sounds like Matt Cassel might do well under a Weis coordinated offense.

by Tito42 on Jan 21, 2010 10:48 AM CST reply actions  

What about blocking schemes?

We’ve had a lot of good posts from Bewsaf regarding zone-blocking and how that helped Charles break out. Do you know if the Pats used much zone-blocking under Weis?

by Chiefs4Life on Jan 21, 2010 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

Re: Zone blocking

This is something that concerned me too. Weis’ offenses typically don’t use a ton of zone blocking, though I don’t really see why he wouldn’t consider maybe adjusting his scheme.

by Jon Yoon on Jan 21, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Zone blocking masks some of the weakness in the OL plus plays to Charles strengths.

Great Post and rec’d.

by breeder on Jan 21, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Danario Alexander?

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by upamtn on Jan 21, 2010 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

Nice write up Jon

I agree with your points and I dont think Weis will have a problem incoorporating Charles into the offense, although I do think our offense (Charles included) would benefit from having that bigger smashmouth back.

by WtexKC on Jan 21, 2010 11:47 AM CST reply actions  

Here me out before you freak out...

If Charles does not fit I would not be surprised to see Charles dangled as trade bait. Let’s look at this from a GM standpoint. Now for the record I want Charles to stay, I really want his to buy his jersey and sport it next season (25 is a bad-ass number) but there is no real great RB prospect in this draft and Charles’ stock is super high right now. If we can get some prime defensive or reciever help as well as a mid round pick or two I would not be surprised to see Pioli pull the trigger. Not to mention there are a few pretty good power RBs available through FA, including LenDale White, Mike Bell and Pierre Thomas.

by fairmont on Jan 21, 2010 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

If they traded away Charles after what we've seen so far...

I swear I would give up on the Chiefs forever. There is NO way they will do that.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 21, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see Kerry Meier from Kansas fitting the bill

of sure handed, flawless route runner, tactician of the game (was a quarterback at one time afterall) type receiver.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Jan 21, 2010 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

What's with the badmouthing about "aggressive play calling"?

That’s one of the things I’ve liked most about Haley. I’m tired of conservative offenses and timid play selection. Vermeil ran the only balanced offensive attack KC’s had since Stram. And Stram was the last truly aggressive coach we had, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he’s the only Super Bowl coach we’ve had. I’m relieved to read the Weis is an aggressive play caller as well. We need more of it, not less.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields

by Big Chief on Jan 22, 2010 12:20 AM CST reply actions  

Exactly. I’d rather have a Coach who is too aggressive, than too passive/conservative. Haley made many calls this year that prior coaches here would have been too scared to make. Some worked, some didn’t, but the goal was to instill an aggressive mindset.

by dablueguy on Jan 22, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Re: Aggressive playcalling

Allow me to clarify. Aggressive playcalling is okay. Haley made some overly aggressive playcalls, however. For example, going for it on 4th and short near the other team’s goal line, etc…. One thing Weis has been accused of is getting too cute on playcalling. Sometimes, rather than doing a triple reverse, you gotta stick to the basics and just run the ball even when the defense expects it. That’s something Vermeil did real well. When the Chiefs were on the goal line, they were going to run the ball and it was probably going left. Nothing too cute.

I like aggressive playcalling too. But there can be a line between aggressive and reckless.

by Jon Yoon on Jan 22, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

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