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Let's draft someone who will make an impact... RIGHT NOW!!




Through the history of out first picks we've taken they have all seemed to do avereage-dissapointment. I'm only 19 and I can remember being let down by Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii. I'm sure we can think of a lot more. The only draft pick I can be happy with right now is Tamba Hali. After being moved around from RE to LE back to Re then to an OLB. I'm sure he can get better as a pass rusher but he has been doing a great job.

 

Derrick Johnson was also a pretty good pick back in the vermeil era. I don't care how good of plays he has had. I love DJ but one reason I have never been able to fully love him is because I think he has real potential to be a great great LB. People re assure me all the time. .  " oh wait til next year he'll go to the pro bowl for sure". I remember the very first game I went to aganist the jets I thought he was going to be something extremly special. He's been solid but hasnt reached potential.

Dwayne Bowe has been doing well too. He has made some big plays and DBowe is probably my favorite player on the chiefs next to jamaal and he really had the chance to make people think of him when they thought of the chiefs. He has GOT TO catch the damn ball. Especially if he wants to be a top WR like he has the potential to be. But every year its the same " Bowe will go to the pro bowl next year and lead the league in receiving".  Yes indeed he does have great potential but its time for him to catch the ball.

Albert is another. He could probably play any position on the O line. everyone even todd haley has said " I could see albert in the pro bowl he has great potential." but he has been letting people get to cassel too much

Dorsey and Jackson both came in with high expectations but we've let them off the chain because we say they have great "potential" even for jackson having no sacks and getting driven back every play. Dorsey is getting to become a great player but I KNOW he can be better.

Are you starting to see a pattern? I'm not trying to dog on Bowe, Johnson, Jackson, Albert, and Dorsey. I think they do have potential and if they don't make it to the pro bowl soon they should be key players. But for the purpose of this post what I'm trying to say is I'm tired of saying " well he has potential he could go to the pro bowl soon".  I wanna draft someone that will come on right away and make an impact.  Sorta like B.J Raji, Patrick Willis, Percy Harvin, and Ryan Clady did as they were rookies. If we draft Okung, Suh, Mcclain thats fine with me. As long as they can become impact players right away and we don't have to defend them by saying next year or he's just going through growing pains. If we really do want to be a playoff team then we need big play out of our first round pick.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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This is exactly why I'm the only one left on the Eric Berry train!

Impact NOW!

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by Buck'O on Jan 20, 2010 10:48 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

NOW!

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by Buck'O on Jan 20, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

nah mate i'm still on

just been in combat training for the past few weeks so i haven’t been as vocal about it. i think that if the chiefs can’t trade down, then their only choice is berry. that is unless he’s off the board but i think he’ll still be there.

Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?

Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p

by Leaf on Jan 21, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Good to know you guys are still out there with me

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by Buck'O on Jan 21, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

You know what Bee

I agree and I rec. I see the same thing with everybody you mention. “Great Potential” but
We have had enough “but” for a lifetime as Chiefs fans. Butt of Jokes, Butt of snide remarks, Butt of well you could of. Enough Buts. Time to put up or shut up..or get the hell out. DJ, Page, and Croyle get one more chance cause of CBA.

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

No matter what happens each season BEEf,

never lose your passion for your Chiefs! Nice post.

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Jan 20, 2010 11:21 PM CST reply actions  

Impact players are overrated...

I would much rather invest all of our picks in players who suck and will be out of the league in 2 years.

Pitchers and Catchers report February 17th... And so begins my masochistic addiction.

by averagegatsby on Jan 20, 2010 11:41 PM CST reply actions  

I would expect such a statement from you

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by Buck'O on Jan 20, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I see a pattern...

Nearly every player you mentioned was a product of Carl Peterson.

Pitchers and Catchers report February 17th... And so begins my masochistic addiction.

by averagegatsby on Jan 20, 2010 11:44 PM CST reply actions  

Why don't we just win the Superbowl?

And forget next season, let’s win it now!

by Ben S on Jan 20, 2010 11:45 PM CST reply actions  

you mean just run onto the field and go NFC Champs vs AFC Champs vs Chiefs???

Free for all to win it all? I approve of this. We win the Superbowl on Feb 7, 2010.

by worc on Jan 21, 2010 2:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Bingo!

Waiting is over-rated anyways.

by Ben S on Jan 22, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

There is a thread for this...

Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...

by woodman212 on Jan 20, 2010 11:58 PM CST reply actions  

Dwayne Bowe came in and made an immediate impact and has regressed a bit.

So you say you want immediate impact? he had one of the best rookie campaigns for a WR. TJ had as much of an impact as Raji did… Mathews was the impact in that draft. Along with Woodson and Hawk playing their balls off. Dorsey wasn’t just ok this year he was a productive 3-4 DE and that is while fighting through double teams. I don’t find it a coincidence that Hali seldom had more than the LT on him. Dorsey made the LG and C block him often. Edwards was only blocked by one guard normally and Jackson had the RT and either a TE or a RB. If edwards commands both the C and a G we have 10 more sacks this year.

The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.

by ChiefsfanJon on Jan 21, 2010 2:03 AM CST reply actions  

your right they are all good

but I think they can become much better

POW!! right in the kisser

by BEEf_CHIEF on Jan 22, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Holy Cow

that’s a post inside a post.

I had to take a pee break half way through.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Jan 21, 2010 7:59 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

w00000000000000t kray! I love you, man! not like THAT but you know ...

you are soooooooooooooo right, my brother … D is 31 and O is like 29 or something … I keep reading posts that Berry is gonna get us to the Promoised Land, ain’t gonna happen (sorry Buck!) or McClain will be the next Butkus or Suh is all we need …

that’s why I continue to hold hope for Okung: the OLine needs all the help it can get, and you win games on the lines, you build the lines first (what in the world was Pioli smoking when he got Cassel? a QB with no OLine to protect him … insanity)

keep on tellin’ The Truth! as of now, we suck … unless and until the stats change and the W column changes, that’s The Truth

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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by upamtn on Jan 21, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ok I'm confused..

Kray’s whole topic was about getting an impact player. He cited all the non-impact guys we have, and stated that he really didn’t care who we got as long as we players that would be prove to have a serious impact on our team when viewed from eyes outside our orginization.

He sites specifically examples of how our 31st ranked defense has no impact player that show up on a stat sheet etc..etc..

Then you tell us you love him, and that you you are tired of reading about Suh, or Berry, or McClain. You then propose we get Okung (not a defense player, not an impact player) to ‘build our team’ from the lines.

What does building our tream from the lines have to do with an impact player? Wouldn’t drafting Suh be building our team from the lines, specifically defense? And who are these people you have read that say Berry, Suh or McClain are “all we need”. I’ve not read anyone that says all this team needs is any one of those guys.

You are the bear in the woods, and I’m the guy with the stick. POKE POKE! =P

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Jan 21, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Tex, check out the post from yesterday on Mel Kiper's mock draft ...

there you will find Swim and others who think Berry is the best thing sliced sliced bread (and what was the best thing BEFORE sliced bread? hmm!)

my point, and kray’s point, is that it takes more than one guy to make an impact … if/when the team around any given player is underperforming, then even that so-called “impact player” isn’t going to make much of a difference (that said, I’ll disagree that a top-level OT wouldn’t be an impact player … look what Roaf did for the OLine on the Vermeil teams) … kray also wrote/implied that Cassel isn’t all that great, and that the only guy we have who makes a difference is Charles … ok, fine: do you want your QB on his back and/or missing his WRs because the OLine can’t do the job?

and yeah, Suh might be “The Guy” for the DLine but … 1) we just got Jackson 2) we already have Dorsey 3) does the offense not count? 4) he’s not going to fall to our 5 slot

we all have our own ideas/thoughts about who’s going to help the team the most, what position is most important to address, this player or that player, draft or FA … bottom line is what Pioli/Haley/Weis/Crennel want most

I’ll chew that stick now, thank you =grin=

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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by upamtn on Jan 21, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not all that high on sliced bread...
…..and others who think Berry is the best thing sliced sliced bread (and what was the best thing BEFORE sliced bread? hmm!)

When you pre-slice it it immediately begins to dry out and get hard. Knives have been around for a long time, and as long as you have a serrated blade around that you keep good and sharp you don’t really need sliced bread.

That being said, the best thing before sliced bread, and after for that matter, is oral sex. Now, if you said Berry was the best thing since oral sex I’d agrue vehemently against you until the end of time. =P

The great majority of the time people tend to fall in love with one guy or another. They talk them up and explain all the reasons we should take them from their perspective. (Like you do with Okung, or I did with Curry last season). That doens’t mean that they think that guy is the savior of the team. NO ONE GUY in ANY position is ever going to be the savior of the team. Anyone that tells you different you should ignore, because they are obviously clinicly insane, or just plain stupid. Football is a team sport, and there’s not one single player ever to play the game that can turn a bunch of losers incapable of running a scheme and turn them into champions (yes, that includes Peyton Manning).

We talk about team needs, and best fit for our system, and chance to make an impact, and value at the draft slot they are taken, and money they will have to be paid etc etc.

I don’t think a single Chiefs fan in the world would tell you they DONT wish we had an O-Line like the one anchored by Roaf. I cdertainly wouldn’t. But you are going to get a lot of people that would argue that Okung isn’t Roaf and never will be; or that we should be filling a glaring NEED with out #5 pick and OT doesn’t fit that bill; or that a SMART film studying machine of a playcaller would make the biggest impact on the D with the #5; or that Safety would vastly improve our pass defense which would in turn give our pass rushers more time to get to the Qb; or..or…or…

(that said, I’ll disagree that a top-level OT wouldn’t be an impact player … look what Roaf did for the OLine on the Vermeil teams)

And look what happens when you build a team around the O and scoring points instead of a solid defense. I’m really glad you aren’t on the WR with the #5 bandwagon, I’d have to replace my stick with a shotgun.

You’ve got to have balance in all 3 phases of the game. I’m biased because was and am a sucker for a dominating D that punishes teh other team. But, it will always be my contention that a GREAT D and a mediocre offense will take you farther than a GREAT offense and a mediocre defense. Cassel may or may not prove to be the franchise QB that we all hope he can turn into (well, all of us except the damn Brokie Croyle appologists), but he’s the QB of the offense. he makes the calls on the field and provides the leadership on that side of the ball. He’s the guy that everyone is going to turn to for the answers on the field. Who’s that guy on our defense? We don’t have one. We do not have ‘that guy’ in the middle acting as teh field general for our D.

THAT’S why I would go after a NT in FA and McClain in the draft. THAT’S why I was calling for Curry last year. THAT’S why I still think it’s the biggest missing piece of our defense. We will NEVER build a dominating defense without ‘that guy’ in the middle that can LEAD the men into battle. McClain is a leader of men by all accounts from Saban. We need a leader of men to develop into a general on the field. – it’s because I think he’s teh best thing since oral sex. it’s becase I think you build a team that can stop the other guy, and that the leader on the D is JUST as important as the leader on the O.

Sure, we might get a guy later in teh draft that becomes that guy, but I think it’s far more likely that we would find a C/G later in the draft than a true leader of men.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Jan 21, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Dammit! I laid out my position and then I F'ed up the conclusion statement!
it’s because I think he’s teh best thing since oral sex

Is SUPPOSED TO SAY: It’s NOT because I think he’s the best thing since oral sex,

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Jan 21, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL Tex! ok, you make some valid points, especially the oral sex (when should I expect you?)

… you push for McClain, all well and good (and I wouldn’t mind having him) while others push for Berry (no, thank you, he’s not The Definitive Answer nor is S The Definitive Position, IMNSHO) … would you take Suh given the chance? (ie, Suh over McClain?)

you have a point about Cassel being the “leader” on the O side, and my argument on Okung is based in part on protecting that leader and ensuring the OLine does what it’s supposed to (hopefully better than any other OLine in the league) … and you have a valid point that even the best offense isn’t guaranteed to win you games (although Vermeil and others might argue that point) but then too, you can have the finest defense in the land, but if you can’t outscore the other team, you’re still not going to win it all (just ask the Ravens)

all THAT said, the “leaders” are supposed to be the coaches: DC, OC and HC in particular … they set the plan, the agenda, inspire (or not) the team (look what Jeff Fisher did in Tenn this year, remarkable turnaround after the bye week due to his pre-break speech) … and with that, I’ll add that Haley, fire and all, didn’t inspire confidence with his sideline ranting and raving (not what I call quiet, self-assured confidence … but I could be wrong)

you make some very good points, Tex, and we’re not all THAT far apart in our thinking (what, you got something against Croyle? something about him that you just can’t … swallow?)

and that stick? (spitting it back at you, thoroughly chewed to a fine mess)

enjoy … and I’m looking forward to the oral sex (I’d say “it must suck to be you” but that would be WAY too obvious)

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by upamtn on Jan 21, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You're waiting for me?

But umm… yer the one that likes to put ‘stick’ in your mouth when someone pokes you =P

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Jan 21, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

btw...

I’d ONLY take Suh over McClain if we were going to lose Dorsey/Tjax.
I don’t think DE qualifies as a ‘position of need’ for the Chiefs this year.
Suh was a massivly dominant impact player in college ball this year (Heisman trophy voters seriously need to ‘get over’ only picking guys that touch the ball because Suh IMNOHO ranks up there as one of the best college football players of ALL TIME), but we’re not in need of a DE. (Suh as a nose tackle is a whole nother post) =P

The only way I’d want the Chiefs to spend a top 10 pick on the draft on Suh would be if his position of need. In the other thread about trading Dorsey I mentioned Suh + McClain. I only mentioned it because the premise was that we would be trading Dorsey. I don’t wanna trade Dorsey. We about to go into Dorsey’s critical 3rd season and I think all the Dorsey Nay-sayers are gonna have a big plate of crow to eat at the end of the 2010 season.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Jan 21, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW... I pee'd on that stick =)

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Jan 21, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

btw, Tex

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/1/20/1261952/kipers-first-mock-draft-chiefs#29229165

if the link doesn’t work …

Dude, it’s hard to argue on general principles against landing the best tackle in a given draft.

And yeah, you put your BEST guys at the two tackle spots, and make no apologies about it.

Strange how some people think Okung-with-Albert-to-LG and some people doubt that Okung is even an upgrade over Albert. I think it looks like Albert’s going to be fine against most 3-4 OLBs. But I’d like to see him again against the better 4-3 DEs, who run closer to 300 than Dumerville’s measly 250ish.

Hard to gauge, with my limited memory, a memory which tells me that it wasn’t until the 2nd half of the season that KC had enough talent and timing on the field to keep defenses from beating the strong side of KC’s o-line head-to-head and just ganging up on Albert and Waters on the weak side.

Prediction for ‘09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver’s inattention to D-Line, Chokeland’s disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it’s on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.

by hmills110 on Jan 20, 2010 10:29 PM MST

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 21, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

By no means do I think Berry is the end-all-be-all for the Chiefs. I just happen to think he’s they guy that can have the most profound impact for the team as a rookie. That’s all. I think our greatest need is NT. Get a veteran FA AND draft one for development. Between Berry’s help at safety and a big blob in the middle, I think we have an decent defense.

I also think we have problems at C, RT and ILB, but again, I think Berry is the best fit for making an immediate impact. I disagree on the Okung pick because it would be with an eye on the LT position first and foremost and it’s really not an area of need. Picking a prospect that high to see if he or your other former first round pick is going to become your RT by way of losing a competition for the LT spot is… kinda nuts. :-\

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by Buck'O on Jan 21, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

as Reagan would have said: well, there you go again ...

Buck, love ya man but I disagree that Berry is “it” … Tex says McClain, some say Suh, others say swap down and grab Cody … still others say grab Wilfork … me, I like Okung for a long-term answer at OLine

maybe we’re all full of beans … who knows

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by upamtn on Jan 21, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

No doubt

I imagine Pioli will shock us all with something from left field (again).

It’s full on man-crush season so I suppose it’s bound to be “the reason to disagree” du jour.

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Jan 21, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd argue that Flowers is one of the top 10 CBs in the NFL.

And Vrabel is still a good LB.

And Dorsey showed containment skills and good enough tackling to have ranked in the top 10 among ALL defensive linemen for tackles… at least before he got injured for those couple of weeks… you know… when teams put up over 200 yards rushing on us. The sacks will come as the defense continues to improve.

So to say:

But by NFL standards no one is good on our defense. NO one. And I don’t want to hear the excuse makers.

isn’t quite right. There are at least 2 very good, young players in Flowers and Dorsey.

This team isn’t as far off as you make it sound, Kray. Shore up the OL, get a beast NT… maybe throw in a WR and a LB, and BOOM – This team is above .500. And that’s without getting an “impact guy” like Berry. Proper coaching and continued player development among our “building blocks” will go a long way. I think we’ll see a big turn around in 2010.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 21, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

We shall see. But I respect your points. Their valid. I forgot about Flowers actually.

but I stand by my main point. Until your defense is not 31st. No one gets any awards. It’s a team sport. They ALL have to find a way to look out for each other out there and win together.
It goes deeper than one or two guys that have a little impact. We still lost all but 4 games and gave up huge passing plays all season long.

No one gets praise yet. It’s the NFL> I’m a hardnose when it comes to professionals making millions of our money. They need to earn it. Even Dorsey allowed phenomenol rushing yards against him all season long. Is he improved? Absolutely. Is he showing some promise? Probably. But again. If these guys do not find a way to step up and the high quality high caliber players it takes to make a contender out of our Chiefs.

Then they won’t be here long.

by krayfish on Jan 21, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

True. It is a team sport...

But one or two guys can bring a team down. One safety gets beat, and the opponent can score an easy TD. One LB misses his assignment and the opposing RB runs for a 30 yard gain. One NT gets beat up on consistently and the 3-4 defense doesn’t work the way its supposed to (DEs get double teamed EVERY play and the LBs gaps are taken away). One offensive lineman whiffs on his block and your QB gets put on his back. Out of 11 guys on the field, they all have to be perfect to get 100% efficiency. If one fails completely your efficiency is reduced by 9%. Two fail and the efficiency is reduced by 18%. See my point? One or two bonafide bad asses can make a team 10%-20% better. Especially if they’re every down guys, and their predecessors were constantly costing a percentage of the teams efficiency.

How much better would T-Jax have been if NE drafted him and Wilfork was on the line helping him out? How much better would Carr be if he had good safety help behind him? True it is a team sport, but super stars like Manning, Brees, Ray Lewis, Polamalu, etc. can elevate those around them to play (or at least look) better.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 21, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 21, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

harumph!

Theres a lot of truth to that post.

I like reading some of these draftniks mock drafts and watching the scrum after people add free agent pickups.it’s like a good desert. I think we can improve this team a lot with one off season but i think we need at least one more like this to compete in this division and I might even say two more given Haley isn’t the more patient coach. He’ll release just about whoever he wants, he’ll release another just to send a message, and scrounge around the waiver wire for the some more players to release. Not saying that’s all bad, put out or get out, but Haley won’t succeed here unless he turns some players around.

by tenacious rdc on Jan 22, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

No impact players other than Charles?

Umm dude, we have Dustin Colquitt! lol Even Haley gave him some praise!

by kc_radrh8r on Jan 22, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Impact Now

Something tells me each of those picks you mentioned were intended to make immediate impact, but didn’t work out in that way. If you can predict who will be immediate impact players and who will not, then you should get a job with the Chiefs.

Bowe, Johnson, and Albert are all good players. Not pro bowl level, but they are very good with pro bowl potential. Dorsey has been a total dud, and Jackson was just a plain stupid pick.

This team has too many holes for one player to turn the team around. The Chiefs need to have a good draft top to bottom, not just the first round.

by TampaRoyal on Jan 21, 2010 9:42 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I believe the thing telling you they were intended to be make an immediate impact

was your common sense. Well said.

The Chiefs had hoped to insert all of the players mentioned above into the starting lineup, and obviously they were hoping they would pan out.

The Jackson pick still boggles my mind a bit, considering they had just switched to a 3-4, meaning they needed linebackers more than ever before, the premiere defensive player in the draft was playing that position, and the Chiefs only had one decent linebacker on the squad at the time (who ironically the coaching staff didn’t even believe was good enough to start all season.) Even if the Chiefs hadn’t gone for Curry, pretty much every other LB drafted in the first round last year had a stellar rookie season. Injury derailed Curry’s a bit, but there’s still every reason to believe he’ll be the far superior player to Jackson going forward.

by marbotty on Jan 21, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Curry didn't really play all that well last season.

I’m not saying he’s a bust or anything but, he wasn’t a huge impact player either.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 21, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

If you're going by stats, ofc Curry will be better

If you’re looking at which guy is more important to this team. A good 3-4 DE or a DJ clone…it’s obvious

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's far too early to call Jackson stupid or a bust.

he has no support around him worth a shit. He’s a rookie. He should never have had to start that quickly and adapt on the job. That’ is not how it’s normally done. But we had little to no choice in the matter. I don’t know if he’ll turn out good or not but he deserves a little more time before passing final judgement.

by krayfish on Jan 21, 2010 10:25 AM CST reply actions  

Don't worry about it buddy.

A lot of people said the same things about Dorsey last year. What are they saying now?

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 21, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It will pay off that he had to start immediately...eventually.

That experience will speed up his development in a big way. He’ll be a very good player for us under Crennell. He is great at developing linemen.

Which brings me to my biggest point regarding these “bust” players. I don’t think the Chiefs have had quality coordinators who were great at developing young players. We have that now. I believe that is the biggest difference between teams who have a lot of busts (KC, Oakland, Detroit) and teams who rarely have draft busts (Indy, NE, Pittsburgh) I think we will see huge growth in the young guys this year.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 21, 2010 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

Decent post. Not great. But decent.

First off, I do agree that an impact player is needed… but don’t you think that’s what EVERY team tries to do EVERY time they draft? It’s kind of easy to look back and say “why couldn’t we have picked Raji, Harvin or Revis?”. I bet that last year, when you were watching the draft, you weren’t yelling at the TV for Pioli to select Raji. Or Harvin. You can say that we should have drafted them now because hind sight is 20/20. You saw how they transitioned into the NFL. A big part of why they developed so well is because of the teams they were drafted onto. The Packers and Vikes are both really good teams. There is already a lot of talent there to allow rookies be able to come in and produce.

Pioli has an impressive resume, and he’s proven himself in the past. Unless he totally fails (and it’s way to early to tell, even though the early returns look good), then he deserves the time needed to build the team the way he wants to. He’s going to build this team from the inside out, and that’s going to first start with key positions like QB, OL, DL, and LB. Just because Jackson didn’t have a breakout year doesn’t mean that he’s not going to be a very important part of this team in the near future. I know all Chiefs fans are tired of hearing this, but just give it a little more time man, the reward for all the BS we’ve dealt with for the last few years is coming.

Finally, I get why your restless about our draft picks. Peterson has really pissed us off, and his ghosts from drafts past still haunt KC. But let’s face it, Peterson didn’t really know how to build a team. He was a money guy that knew how to hype players and teams up by going for big names. If it weren’t for Marty and Vermeil, then the Chiefs Nation would be a third world country. Winning cures a lot of ills… so hopefully next year we can finally start to forget about the Ryan Simms, Junior Siaviis, Eddie Freemans and Kris Wilsons that continue to haunt us to this day.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 21, 2010 12:14 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks.

I have a confession though. It’s a stolen pic. It’s not even real (haha).

I jacked it from some guy on the site that Jack Harry was on where he got that “anonymous E-mail” story from the guy that started the “Haley is a vulgar bastard that flips fans the bird” BS.

I have the only relic of anything fun or original from that sad sad little site.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 21, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn

I didn’t even know RnG pic was that.
Time for tri-focals

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 21, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec Again

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 21, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

We got our impact players.

Pioli, Weis , Crennel, and even Haley. Our problem has not been talent. Our problem was that we could not develop players plain and simple. If you didnt do your job at first, oh well, hes a so called star. Haley doesnt care who you are. You dont do your job, you hit the
pine. There are more average players in the league than there are super stars, so what is the difference between us and the Colts, The Steelers, and the Pats? They develop Talent. Had Tom Brady come to the Chiefs, we would be talking about what a horrible pick he was. We bring people in and they are whatever they are when they get here. A good teams gets people to perform to the best of their abilities. We let our so called stars get worse. Forget so called impact players. We have people who create impact players.
Wes welker, Teddy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, Tom Brady, Troy Brown, Randy Moss. These are a short list of all of the players who were so called nobodys or were said to be washed up. They were turned into impact players. It is always so funny to me when I hear people talking about Welker and Moss. Nobody thought that either one would be what they turned out to be at the time the Pats picked them up. A good staff makes impact players but putting them in position to make impact plays.

by Enite on Jan 21, 2010 9:36 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Good points

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Jan 21, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec

Hopefully Pioli is all over that :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 21, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Eric Berry's potential

Everyone keeps comparing him to Ed Reed. I think his potential is more realistically that of Dale Carter before he turned into a drunken bum. I think Eric Berry might even be better at CB than FS.

by Tyler Thigpen on Jan 27, 2010 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

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