Kiper's First Mock Draft: Chiefs Pick OT Russell Okung
by Joel Thorman on Jan 20, 2010 1:32 PM CST
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PrintMel Kiper of ESPN has released his first mock draft of the season (Yes, the NFL Draft is like fall or summer - it's a season). No reason for introductions. Here's how his top five are shaking out:
1. St. Louis Rams - DT Ndamukong Suh (Nebraska)
2. Detroit Lions - DT Gerald McCoy (Oklahoma)
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - S Eric Berry (Tennessee)
4. Washington Redskins - QB Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)
Chiefs after the jump.
5. Kansas City Chiefs - OT Russell Okung (Oklahoma State)
Here's the write-up on Okung:
I think the Chiefs could use help at safety as well, but Berry likely won't fall this far, and they'd be reaching on either of the two other safeties with first-round grades. Okung could solve two problems, making him a good value. He also could step in at LT and allow the Chiefs to move Brandon Albert to the right side. A pick that can pay immediate dividends for the Chiefs.
(H/T Ryan over at KC Chiefs Blog)
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The Chiefs could draft anybody projected to be a first rounder and improve their team.
Obviously, it would probably be a waste to draft a QB, but every other position should be considered and absolutely nobody should feel safe.
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DE
Add end to that list….NO way they draft another DE in the first
And k,p,ls,fb,qb
But, other than that, yeah it could be anyone
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by stagdsp on Jan 20, 2010 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
“projected in the first round” covers all of those…
;)
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Al Davis craves Tebow
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I'm sorry...
I thought you said Al Davis craves the bone
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
no, he wants Tebow, then move Russell to Slash Position … rumor has it Tebow will sit out the year if Raiders draft him
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somehow i dont see the raider fan base and tebow
mixing well
Great moments are born from great opportunity.
Please No
I really don’t want to draft an OT in the first. I guess if Berry is off the table by then that wouldn’t be horrible. Still, I think I’d prefer to go for McClain here if Berry is gone.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
by Sudden on Jan 20, 2010 1:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Like it or not...
OT is probably the safest pick when you are drafting this high.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
we don't need a safe pick we need a great one.
sure if you swing hard you have a greater likelihood of striking out, but if you don’t aim for the fences, you’ll never get that HR.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
If he's a lot better than Albert
then I wouldn’t really mind. I mean if Okung becomes a consent Pro-Bowl LT & Albert becomes a Pro-Bowl G or RT, then it would be good for the team long-term. I just don’t want to replace Albert with another guy who’s at the same level.
Predictions:
This year will be better
does anyone know if he can fit the mold of a zone-blocking tackle?
he seems too big to me, but maybe that’s not as important for a LT as the other 4 guys. or maybe he’s more agile in space than i realize
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 20, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
if we go okung him and albert duke it out in camp
If they tie job goes to albert and okung goes to the other side slide ocalle inside to guard waters at center wade at guard and its game over
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Jan 20, 2010 10:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
that's what I've been saying ... Okung and Albert, OLine bookends like Roaf and Shields
for the next decade … oh hayl yeah
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I'd rather have Berry or McClain
but I could live with Okung at 5. I wouldn’t be completely angry. I think we’d be reaching. I’d rather try and trade down if we are going to go tackle.
If Berry is there we take him but unfortunately I don’t think he will be :(
I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
Haley-Crennel 2010.
by scottbwalters on Jan 20, 2010 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hit post just as yours was coming up ... GMTA
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probably right
everyone thought curry was going to go 2 or three last year and he dropped to 5. the way this draft is looking, tampa and kc are the only teams that would pick him up before then.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
not in this lifetime
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how are you reaching at 5 for a top 5 projected left tackel but...
not for a non top 5 inside LB or a saftey?
Most places have Berry rated as the number 1 prospect in the draft.
And I think McClain is going to be a beast for the next 10 years or so in the NFL. I’m not saying Okung won’t be a good player. I think he will be. I just think he’s not as good as Berry, or McClain.
by justinmayhugh on Jan 20, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
the only reason okung is a top 5 prospect is
because he’s a LT. the draft scale is inflated and they give way to much credit to only a handful of positions. berry and mcclain are more likely to be a HR pick, but because LT is always a safe pick, okung gets rated higher by default.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
Mel Kiper is a hack
Wake me up when Mike Mayock does one.
NFL Conference Championship predictions:
Vikings 31 Saints 30 ~ Colts 23 Jets 17
by craig in calgary on Jan 20, 2010 1:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I heard Mayock has us taking Tebow.
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Jan 20, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Sweet.
NFL Conference Championship predictions:
Vikings 31 Saints 30 ~ Colts 23 Jets 17
by craig in calgary on Jan 20, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
no ... a million times no ... Tebow? please no ...
… a “rich man’s” version of Thigpen … now, if Gailey was here running the Arrowspread/Wildcat offense then yeah, sure, Tebow would be a great fit …
but he’s not, so put Tebow out of your thoughts … clear the mechanism, he is not coming to Kansas City
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Really? lol
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by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Jan 20, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
thank you, now I can breathe again
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agreed about Kiper
i read his stuff, but you can’t trust his predictions. there’s no way they move Albert to the right side.
Conversation b/t Special baseball operations consultant Zapp Brannigan and GM Dayton Moore: "...but paper covers rock and rock crushes scissors...we have a conundrum. Get me some paper, a rock, and some scissors."
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 20, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
anything is possible, if not always probable
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I dunno. How DOES Albert look at RT?
Concensus on AP is that Okung is not an upgrade. And yeah. Not a single person has suggested Albert move to RT.
I think it likely that Kiper’s overall draft has some wisdom in it, because he has a unique approach to things, and, somehow, has the respect of the newsies who hire the Kiper’s of this world…
Are they really that clueless? Rest assured, Kiper hasn’t put as much time into analyzing the Chiefs as APers have. He’s trying to make reasonably good picks for ALL the teams, and he likely knows as much or more than we do about what other teams are doing, and he likely pays more attention to higher profile teams.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
mills, I've said a few times today that I'd lovelovelove to grab Okung, pop him in at LT and move Albert to RT
Waters at C, O’Call at RG (or LG) and someone else in there as other G … Okung and Albert as an updated version of Roaf and Shields for the next 10 yrs … what an awesome pair of OLine bookends they’d make
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so.
he had a ruff start. not so shocking when you think that he dropped weight and is using a new blocking scheme. both of which forces him to completely change the way he plays the game, and when you do that it can take a while to get it down correctly. but if you noticed, the oline played tons better toward the end of the year. not great, but better. our problem is center and that can be solved much later in the draft. no need to waste a pick just because its the safest.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
I've never liked Kiper and agreed, he's a hack.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Jan 20, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
All these draftnicks have the same guys
They just argue between who is #1 and who is #2.
Kiper isn’t much on personality, but he knows as much as anyone about the players.
The rest is a guess between perceived team needs and opinions on which direction they will go.
Hack or not
Kiper is the one who broke he thought we’d be taking Tyson Jackson, everyone said who, why? Low and behold, we took Tyson Jackson.
by Chief Arrowhead on Jan 20, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
And taking the best OT in the draft is usually a pretty good move.
All depends on how the CHIEFS evaluate the kid, though.
Hard to say (imo) that the #1 tackle in any draft doesn’t give KC a shot at having a dominant left tackle, which, much as we see Albert improving, he has not shown Pro Bowl potential…
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Question
Are there any mock drafts or projections what would possibly happen if the Chiefs trade out of the top 5, Or what team may be inclined to make such a trade, and what do you think the number 5 pick is worth?
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
Got to remember
We have a GM that collects draft picks like baseball cards, and isn’t afraid of drafting later and still getting useful picks.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
would seem if someone has Clausen love
they might want to talk to us first before Seattle is on the clock
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
as long as it's not the Chiefs with a "Clausen Crush"
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I saw one today ...
That predicted the Chiefs trading #5 for San Francisco’s two mid-1st round picks. It wasn’t a draft done by a professional, though, and it was pretty roundly considered ‘crazy’ from what I could tell.
That might be the best option regardless of who's there at #5
SF would draft a QB @ #5
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Uh, yeah
Our #5 for two mid-1st rounders? Pioli would hop on that in a freakin’ heartbeat. And then he’d probably start looking for trading partners for one of those new 1st round picks.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
every potential trade for our pick would require a QB being available at 5
Most mock’s have Rams going Claussen and Redskins going Bradford. if that happens then the Chiefs take Berry and say thanks.
If a QB is available potential traders ar SF, Cleveland, Buffalo, Jacksonville all of which could give up their 1st 2nd and 3rd for it
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Jan 20, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
after watching leinart stink it up in garbage time
cards gotta be thinking QB too… maybe not that early, depends on warner.
Look at the draft chart
the values fall tremendously in Round One. Our 1st is worth 1700. JAX picks at #10, and their 1st plus 2nd is only worth 1780. If they want a QB, you could maybe talk them into the 3rd as well, but probably not.
However, I’d certainly move down 5 spots in the first to gain the 42nd overall pick.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 20, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Not really Fanatic 99.9% of mock drafts are abhorrent to consider trade downs
I think it is just that they are too hard to predict…especially when they are considering 32 teams instead of focusing on just one.
But here is my prediction on the trade down and also my #5 flow chart on what I think we should do
1. Eric Berry
2. Berry gone…trade down…pick up Dan Williams NT…or Cody second choice
3. Rustle Okung
4. Berry gone, Okung gone, no trade down, rolondo mclain or reach for Dan Williams
Oh..and to all you guys who bagged on me for considering switching Albert to RT if we got Okung…EAT MY DIRTY UNDERWEAR!…got kipper saying it now too. Not that it would be better than LG but it is a legitimate possibility.
by MasterBlaster7 on Jan 20, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
you are rejoicing that Mel Kiper agrees with you?
Ummm.. You Go Man! Yer the Shiznat!
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Nevertheless, there were just a handful who were mentioning Tyson Jackson in the early speculations.
Guy deserves to blow his horn, if he was one of ’em.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Dude, it's hard to argue on general principles against landing the best tackle in a given draft.
And yeah, you put your BEST guys at the two tackle spots, and make no apologies about it.
Strange how some people think Okung-with-Albert-to-LG and some people doubt that Okung is even an upgrade over Albert. I think it looks like Albert’s going to be fine against most 3-4 OLBs. But I’d like to see him again against the better 4-3 DEs, who run closer to 300 than Dumerville’s measly 250ish.
Hard to gauge, with my limited memory, a memory which tells me that it wasn’t until the 2nd half of the season that KC had enough talent and timing on the field to keep defenses from beating the strong side of KC’s o-line head-to-head and just ganging up on Albert and Waters on the weak side.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
mills, I am so with you on this ...
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McClain is the one
we dont want to see him lined up in silver and black and making their defense that much more better. We need him in red and gold and tormenting whatever QB is on the field.
Warriors come out and play
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I get Insider free with ESPN the Mag. Both are worth it in my opinion. Lots of Schefter’s stuff is Insider.
I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
Haley-Crennel 2010.
by scottbwalters on Jan 20, 2010 2:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It will just get posted on here eventually......
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This would be ideal if avail
1 – Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
2 – Brandon Spikes, IL, Florida
3 – Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU
OR
1 – Rolando McClain, IL, Alabama
2 – Jason Fox, OT, Miami
3 – Damian Williams, WR, USC
I think we can get Ginyard in the 2nd round with one of our picks
Good 2-way pick filling WR/KR slot. Dude has tremendous speed and can stretch the field. Could then make Bowe the slot WR and MAKE him use those alligator arms
The Colts need a QB. Their backup is HORRIBLE!
The Patriots do too. Those guys don’t have a lot of years left.
Raiders are due to blow a draft pick on another QB
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
Yeah they are...
…who is the fastest, or can throw the ball 90 yards? Thats the next raider QB.
Patience is truly a virtue, good things will happen soon
yeah kray, and the Colts starting QB is marginal at best
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The Colts back up is not horrible
Jim Sorgie is the Colts back-up. He’s a decent QB, certainly good enough to be the back-up.
You’re thinking of Curtis Painter, their 3rd string guy.
I believe (don’t quote me on this) that Sorgie went on IR, or was out injured so they had to play Painter.
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You just never know
I wanted James Laurinaitis last year. He would have been conisdered a huge reach at the #3 spot at the time.
What about now? Dude had 120 tackles, 107 of which were solo. 1 FF and 2 picks.
Now bad for a rookie taken in the 2nd round with the 35th pick.
It goes to show that we could snag a really good LB early in the 2nd round if we do our homework.
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I was just going to ask that...
…give me some names of a lb that we would select inthe 2nd round if we go Okung with pick #5. Sell it to me!
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
Spikes may go in Round 1.
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by Patrick Allen on Jan 20, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I think Spikes will last until the top of the 2nd and would be a great pick...
could turn out to be better than McClain, however, Florida LB’s tend to underachieve
Dude from Penn St.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
I would have liked to have Laurinatis and Sanchez instead of T. Jax and Cassel-Vrabel
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
I don't think you'll feel that way in two years
I could be wrong, but I think T-Jax is going to be very important for this team…and Sanchez didn’t do much this year (with a great team around him) to tell me that he’s going to be special.
Predictions:
This year will be better
You may be right, but wheras T-Jax was the only 3-4 DE available in the draft last year so he went #3
There are Suh, McCoy, Dunlop, Odrick and maybe even Price that are potential 1st rd picks this year that could be as good or better than T-Jax.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
+1
Tyson really improved the second part of the season. I think he will be a very good player down the road.
by justinmayhugh on Jan 20, 2010 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
Pat Angerer seems to be about the same player as James Laurinaitis
And he’ll probably be available in the 4th or 5th round this year.
Predictions:
This year will be better
by jmcgoblue on Jan 20, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to take a shot at him.
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Jan 20, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
The guy had 135 tackles for Iowa this season
I don’t know much about college stats, but that impressed me!
Predictions:
This year will be better
If Angerer is available in the 4th or 5th
he would be a helluva pickup. I’m a Hawkeye season ticket holder, so I’m sure I’m a bit biased, but Pat is one of the best college LBs I’ve ever seen. I think he will surprise a lot of people at the combine with his athletic ability. And he has the perfect LB mentality. He just loves to hit and almost never, ever, misses a tackle. I could easily see him being an anchor for some teams LB corps for a long time.
by Black and Gold on Jan 21, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
Here we go:
Okung: “Good Sokolosky, that’s a good boy. Who’s a good boy?!”
Sokolosky: “Ruff! Ruff! Woof!”
Okung: “That’s right you’re the good boy”……. <gives him a treat.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 20, 2010 2:06 PM CST reply actions
I'm sorry.
I thought for sure this was a “caption this”.
I mean COME ON. Look at teh pic.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 20, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Kiper is dead wrong about what the Chiefs would do if we drafted Okung
I don’t see Albert at RT…at all. He would either be moved over to LG or Okung could possibly be the RT. At that point it wouldn’t matter because both draft picks would be 1st rounders being used on the OT spot. I would rather have Albert on the blindside with his experience.
oh, I could see Albert as RT easily
could also see Albert at LG and Waters at C
either way, I’m down with Okung, the guy is a beast and we need a “difference maker” on the OL … I’d be down with McClain I suppose … not Berry, though, we have a decent enough secondary that, I believe, we’re better off filling other needs first
Okung would definitely give the OL an immediate lift, the ripples would go all the way across the line and pay off with better QB protection, more run yardage and a very, very happy OC
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Does Waters even want to move over to Center?
I could see an abrupt retirement rather than learn a new position/extended hold out….
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
I've heard Holthus talking about it.
Not that that means anything, really, but if anyone has a feel for what the players on this team are capable and willing to do, it’s a guy like Mitch. And, typically, even if Mitch can’t come right out and say something, he’ll hint at it in what he says. You just have to listen really closely to pick up on it.
BTW
I think O’Call is doing a sufficient job at RT.
yeah ur rite but
heres the starters on the line next year, LT-Albert,LG-Smith,C-Waters,RG-brown,RT-O’call
I LOVE MY CHIEFS
by kcchiefsfan515 on Jan 20, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting...
Brown better have one AWESOME offseason if he’s going to start next year. Also, I would prefer to see BW at RG and draft the best Center on the board with our first 2nd rounder.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
There isn't too many options at Center in Free Agency
So the draft would have to be the way to go, and it would still take awhile to get a rookie center up to speed. Realistically, our Center next year is Rudy. I don’t see Waters moving around, just not going to happen.
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
I agree about Waters CPA
But, I really hope Rudy isn’t our Center next year. I think he has shown us what he’s got and It is less than impressive. It would almost make sense for he and W Smith to switch spots. I like Smith at Center and I think Rudy would be better as a guard.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
how about ... Okung, Albert, Waters, Someone, O'Call
or
Okung, Someone, Waters, O’Call, Albert
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Is that a law firm?
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
sounds like it
Dewey, Cheatum and Howe
nyuk nyuk nyuk
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I'd be alright with ...
Okung, Albert, Waters, Niswanger, O’Callaghan
Niswanger is a good player, and a smart player. He’s just too dang tall to be a Center. Plug him in at Guard and I think he’d be fine on our line and an upgrade over nearly anyone else we’ve got available.
Berry or McClain
….one will be there.
Get Berry if you can, if not, you get McClain… end of story.
Off-Season Wish List:
Romeo Crennel - Completed
Charlie Weis - Completed
Resign DJ - pending
Draft Eric Berry - pending
Draft Golden Tate - pending
Draft Toby Gerhart - pending
Draft Jermaine Gresham - pending
Draft Jammie Kirlew - pending
Sign Marcus McNeill - pending
Sign Vince Wilfork - pending
Trade for Boldin - pending
Sign DeMeco Ryans - pending
Not according to this article.
Okung might be the pick.
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"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 20, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Who cares about Kiper
Todd McShay is better… neither of them have us getting Berry though. Both are going to be wrong though. I do wish Tampa won that last game of the season. Two reasons…. they were playing Atlanta which would have moved up our 2nd Round pick and we would have picked 4th in the Draft. The Bucs are the only team I am worried about getting Eric Berry since their head coach is a DB Coach. Bucs have decent safties on their team and are currently carrying 6 of them. I have seen a lot of mocks having them get Gerald McCoy too.
That all being said… Okung is a beast.
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Romeo Crennel - Completed
Charlie Weis - Completed
Resign DJ - pending
Draft Eric Berry - pending
Draft Golden Tate - pending
Draft Toby Gerhart - pending
Draft Jermaine Gresham - pending
Draft Jammie Kirlew - pending
Sign Marcus McNeill - pending
Sign Vince Wilfork - pending
Trade for Boldin - pending
Sign DeMeco Ryans - pending
I agree.
Berry would be the best pick, because he’s the most proven game changer, which is something we desperately need. But a beat LT would be a smart pick, if Berry is gone.. Don’t be fooled, this OL still isn’t very good. Okung would make it much, much better.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 20, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
They started to gel and...
We could find 2 guys (like a McNeil) in FA and that line would be much better.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
Or:
we could draft a gargantuan like Okung to play LT. I’m just saying, this OL still isn’t that good. Taking a LT at #5 is ok.
Besides, good FA OL help isn’t common. You tend to overpay for what you get. Drafting your OL has proven to be the most effective route. Look at NE, MIN, IND, BAL, NYJ for proof of that.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 20, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
yup, and you win the game on the line, be it DL or OL, it all starts there
any GM will tell you that’s where you start your focus … as we’ve already gotten the DL pretty much set, the next logical area of concentration is OL … tag, Okung is it
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it's ok but it's too damn conservative.
we need a knock out pick, not a safe pick. lets say we get okung and he does really well. this will only help matt cassels life expectancy. we already know jc is going to get 200 yards regardless, and our receivers are going to drop the ball; this this doesn’t give us that dynamic game changer that we need.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
McClain? Really?
You want to take an 3-4 inside linebacker who doesn’t have great speed and played with the benefit of a mammoth nose tackle in college with the fifth overall pick while the Chiefs’ $60 million QB continues to get driven into the ground?
Okay.
honestly, I don't want to see ANY on those rookies get the kind of money that they get ... insane stuff
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Sounds like there may be a rookie salary cap for THIS year now
according to profootballtalk sources.
Predictions:
This year will be better
remember this ...
there’s not one of those guys … Okung, Berry, McClain, Clausen, Bradford … not one that’s GUARANTEED to live up to the high xpectations at the pro level … the draft is a crap shoot, sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss … the potential is there, but potential doesn’t ALWAYS translate to success
no guarantees, so … pick your poison and cross your fingers
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we need TALENT on D ... and O
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Thats the long and short of it right there...
No matter what we do with our 1st pick…it’s going to help us.
In fact, I think I might be done with this thread.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
But that being said
YES I want his ass in red and gold next year! McClain is good flat out GOOD BAMF
by readANDgold58 on Jan 20, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Pantherhare ... again, my preference would be Okung
McClain would be my second option, as I think we’d do better by filling need for a LB than a S … and no, I don’t think Berry is worth that kind of money, either
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mcclain DOES have great speed
He runs in the 4.6 range at over 250lbs
Not sure where anyone gets the idea that he is slow
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by stagdsp on Jan 20, 2010 3:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He looks slow on film
I believe that 4.6 number that gets tossed around so much is from his high school days — who knows how accurate that was and whether he’s actually still that fast. I’ll be interested in seeing his combine numbers.
well, speed up your film and he'll look just fine
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I don't care who we pick or what position...
as long as they come in and make an impact immediately.
I don't know much about Okung...
But man he looks like a heck of an athlete. I would be excited to get a solid offensive lineman with that pick. Let’s keep in mind the draft will be a result of what does or doesn’t happen in Free Agency. Many Chiefs fans forgot the importance of a Solid Offensive line until the departure of Roaf/ Shields and Co.
Anyway, with all our holes I’m fine with the philosophy of helping our run game, qb, and inadequate wide receivers by helping solidify our offensive line. Could kill a couple birds with one stone on that one. Who knows!!
I'm with you on this one.
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Okung
He is a poor man’s D’Brickishaw Fergerson. The Chiefs need a defensive playmaker whether it be Eric Berry, Rolando McClain or even Joe Haden.
I won't argue the Chiefs don't need a defensive playmaker ... team needs a LOT of playmakers
… that includes OLine
if it came down to McClain or Berry, I’d prefer the LB any day
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Never have you...
seen Eric Berry play then. The guy is an Ed Reed/Troy P +++++ amazing speed kind of player. Unreal how good he is.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
why not? we already have Lanier ...
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If that's the case Okung = Albert
Draft a LG or RT in rd 2 since that’s where Albert would be moving to… leave Albert at LT and draft Capers, Fox, Bulaga, Campbell, Brown, Pouncey, Iapati, Duccesse, etc in rd 2
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1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
by Chiefs_KC on Jan 20, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Are there any insiders that can tell us where McClain went?
Is he much lower in the first round or still the top 10? Would it be worth trading out of #5 for a lower pick and an additional pick or 2??
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 20, 2010 2:24 PM CST reply actions
Uh, yes... it would be worth it.
But it’s not always easy to get a trade like that done.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 20, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
yah, those top picks are damned expensive ... they need to address the overpaying and slotting of rookies
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True, but with the depth of the class you might find a sucker
and the #5 will be easier to trade out of than the #4
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 20, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
a sucker ... Al Davis!
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Eric Berry can fall...
If the bucs are stupid.
I think if Rams go QB… we have a chance.
Why the Bucs shouldn’t get Berry? They just invested a 1st round pick in Josh Freeman!! Get Okung or get McCoy to run the DL…. that leaves us with Berry :-)
Man crush on Eric Berry.
If Berry's gone I think Pioli will try to trade down and pick up extra picks
Especially if he wants to draft an OT. There are 3-4 with 1st rd grades and can pick up an additional pick or two to use to move up into the end of rd 1 or rd 2 if there are players he likes.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Berry
What is the best postion on our team, it is the secondary with flowers, car, page. But they are still mediocore. You put a game changer back there like berry, they are elite. He will make our corners pro bowlers. One spot on our team will be great, then you build from there.
mediocre??? Chiefs secondary is mediocre? really???
I beg to differ
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Yup...
They aren’t what we thought they were last offseason. Mediocre is being very nice.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
I'd argue that Flowers is one of the top 10 CBs in the NFL.
Carr and Brown leave much to be desired.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 20, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Last off-season ...
They had help from Pollard (a hard hitting Safety) and Page (a good coverage Safety).
This year, they had neither.
Carr and Flowers are both top 20 CBs. Flowers is probably top 10. But, they benefit from help in the Safety spots, which this year came from Mike Brown and Jon McGraw. Give them Page and Berry and I think the vast majority of the NFL will have trouble throwing on us.
furthermore, if Secondary is indeed our "best unit" then why throw a 1st Round pick at it ...
… when we still have so many other needs? you make no sense there … you’re saying “let’s make our good unit even better and ignore our other huge needs”
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Two words...Pass Rush
If we stopped giving opposing QB’s all F’ing day to pick us apart…our secondary might look better.
Duly noted but...
The pass rush will improve significantly when we get a kick ass NT. That will most likely be done in FA.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
two words: what's that?
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ehhh,
Our d-line doesn’t get enough pressure to make them elite, with or without Berry. I think there is a lot better chance Berry falls to us than what Kiper says – all of the teams ahead of us need o-line help as well as quarterbacks and typically the best tackle in each draft for the last 5 years haven’t fell to the 5th pick.
by tenacious rdc on Jan 21, 2010 7:48 AM CST up reply actions
Berry
wishing he falls to the 5th pick i see alot a ppl stating we should take Mcclain, we don’t need one at this time. Berry can flat out fly to the ball makes good reads and he is a dual player.
The draft is deep at Safety
Detroit fans are even talking about taking Berry, but for sure Tampa will, since he already plays in a Tampa 2.
After Suh and Berry, McClain is the next best player available.
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I'd hope he wouldn't trade away the chance to get Okung, assuming he DOES want OT 1st Round
because the guy is going to move off the board in a hurry, whoever it is that gets him … he’s go in Top 10
trade down too far and miss some golden opportunities … we can’t afford to miss
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call me crazy...
But I would really enjoy seeing c.j. spiller share carries with jamal charles.
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how about insane?
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Playmaker
I think we should use our first pick on a huge playmaker on defense. MLB or Safety
That raises a good point...
Even if we DO draft Okung, we still need more help on the interior O-line (Center). So there will be one more pick we will have to spend to get the line playing better.
I think most of us believe Waters can be a pretty good Center
since he used to play the position well. Otherwise you can draft Pouncy in the 2nd or 3rd round & have a young and dominant line for the next 6-10 seasons.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Waters may not be a Chief next season
I believe Waters will be a FA this season and for the first time in his career he has signed a agent. He also did not get along well with Haley at the beginning of the season. I think there is a good chance he may be gone.
I think one of the top 4 teams is going to make a pick
that has all scratching their heads. Also it seems that there is always a player that nobody is projecting in the top 5, that finds himself shooting up the draft board right before the draft.
I stuggle a bit, seeing Sam Bradford going in the top 5 after an injury season. I think his value is going to move quite a bit based on pre-draft work outs.
If Shanahan likes Bradford he'll take him @#4. I hope he doesn't that leaves 2 QB options for teams looking to trade up to #5
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
If they're not ...
… they should be. This is going to be one of the better QB drafts in a while. Unless they’re planning to go 1-15 next year to take Joe Locker from Washington and the only argument for that is that he’s a local kid who looks like a good prospect and would be a great draw for college fans there in Seattle.
I don't think they'll pick a QB with 1st round pick, no way
Jake Locker comes out next year and this draft is so deep with QB. Carroll coached against Locker at UW and lost. Being that he’s a local kid, a lock for Seattle next year because they’ll again get a high pick for the ‘11 draft because they won’t win this year either. One more year with Matt Hasselbeck and they’ll draft O-line first pick this year to protect him and Locker in the future.
I think that's a legit pick...
I could totally see Shanny taking Bradford at #4. If he doesn’t…we will be in prime shape to trade out of the 5th spot.
I see Shanny as more of a Clausen guy
Douchey with decent enough legs to run a bit when the need arises. Can you say Cutler?
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I don't think they'd pass on Suh
FA signings should be good indicators, if they sign/trade for Vick then no to a QB in the draft. Same with Chiefs and signing Dansby, then no McClain
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Agree
those would be good indications of intent
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I agree
Plus Clausen likes to air it out. I’m not sure Bradford is a Shanny QB, but he’d be great for Holmgren in Cleveland.
Predictions:
This year will be better
good point, Browns might want to move from 7 to 5 to get ahead of Seahawks
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Yep
Or Seattle could swap with us to ensure Cleveland doesn’t try trading with us. There could be a nice little bidding war for the #5 slot.
Predictions:
This year will be better
O yeah
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
I agree if it is the same Bradford from 2 years ago.
I just question if the guy is fully back to the way he was before he got hurt. That’s why I said that I think alot is going to depend on his pre-draft workouts.
I would say yes, they have Hasselback, but with a new coach and GM they typically want to bring in their own QB to be the new face of the franchise
although they could use help on the O-line also
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
In Round 2
Cody is good for 2 plays then rest for 2 plays… Not enough playing time for a 5th pick in the draft. Wilfork is a Pioli guy, much rather get him.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
I hope he has a poor combine
and then if Sabin puts in a good word for the kid with Pioli, we take him in the 3rd round. A good combine will probably cause him to go in the mid-late first round
Predictions:
This year will be better
I just think Cody would be on the bicycle for all of training camp
doesn’t he have history of work ethic problems? That is the last type of guy the Chiefs would go after if that is the case.
but Pioli has a history of taking lazy, bad work ethic idiots with tremendous upside
One man, Randy Moss comes to mind. He might get into Cody’s head and shape him up. If Cody could just get into shape, he would be a monster for 4 downs. Somebody has to get into this kids head! What I’m really hoping for is Suh having an awful combine and everybody passing on him. Pipe dream, I know. Never been a bigger Ram, Lion, Buc, and Skin fan till the last 4 games of the year.
That would be a serious blip :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Do the Chiefs improve more Overall with
with a top lineman or with a top defensive playmaker? Or do you improve your Line via FA and grab a playmaker in the draft?
I think the amount of improvement at OL with Okung is worth it
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Since they'd be moving Albert to LG or RT if they took a LT in rd 1
I think a top defensive playmaker makes more sense. There are a lot of good OLine prospects that will be there in rd. 2.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
I say the O-line was finally getting it together....
once Charles and his peripheral vision started running the ball and seeing the holes that the O-line and the zone blocking started showing. We were able to run the ball so opposing D’s weren’t teeing off on Cassell. So I’m not so sure getting Okung at LT is the answer.
Yup Seattle will be looking for a QB
As well as Wash, SF, and possibly Minn if Favre retires.
oh THAT'S the idea ... trade Cassel to Seattle where he reunites with Pete Carroll
oh my, yes!
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I COULD see them working on a trade for Leinert
But, I doubt that Zona would do that since KW is probably set to retire. Leinert will most likely be next in line for that job.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
They are idots if they think that Leinert can take over for KW as starter.
If KW retires, they need to be looking QB themselves. Even if he doesn’t retire, they need to be looking for a QB to replace KW.
You know it's funny...
I’ve heard people say the same thing but, the few times that I’ve gotten to see Leinert play, he’s actually played well.
I guess I just haven’t seen his “bad” games.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
he HAD good ones?
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He played okay last week
Why does everyone dislike him so much? Not being a smartass, I really don’t know.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't he come in during mop up duty after the game was out of reach?
Every game that I saw him start for KW (when KW was hurt) he did not impress me. I think he’d be gone alread if it wasn’t for his huge ass contract. This may be the year the dump it, with an un-capped year.
He throws a pretty pass from what I've seen.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
but when it lands
there usually isn’t a receiver anywhere near where it hits the dirt, unless of course it’s an opponents DB
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I wasn't saying trade Cassel.
Just saying that they might be good trade partners.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
I know, you didn't think it ... but I did =grinning=
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And then Brodie can take his rightful place as the starter, right?
For the two games he remains healthy anyway ;)
Predictions:
This year will be better
All I've got is...
we have Albert at LT, first year was mainly man blocking, this year he had to drop weight and move to more of a zone. Both years he showed signs of being great, now switch him to a completely different position?
I vote to keep the tackles where they are, draft Berry/McClain and get some INTERIOR Oline in the later rounds.
I don't disagree with that
but if Albert can be a dominant guard, and Okung can be a dominant LT, then it wouldn’t be so bad to bring him in. There are a lot of ways this draft could go, & I would still be happy. I just don’t want to hear “Dan Williams” or “Terrance Cody” announced as the #5 pick in the draft.
Predictions:
This year will be better
So true with Mount Cody
I just don’t see any top LT’s being that dominant in this years class.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 20, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
same effect, less money, use 1st on defense
Draft a dominant guard in the mid rounds
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by stagdsp on Jan 20, 2010 3:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Those who question Berry.
Youtube the guy.
He was a 5Star #1 DB coming out of HS that ran a 4.3 in HIGH SCHOOL….. He complete changes games… He hits like Ronnie Lott, he makes breaks on the ball like Ed Reed, he returns kicks like Mel Gray……. and he leads like John Lynch. You gotta get this guy.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
nobody is questioning Berry's talent or abilities
just that S might not actually be THE most pressing need on the team … especially considering the impact of OTHER players at DIFFERENT positions … Berry is awesome, he really is kickass, but … there ARE other needs to fill, and the team only has one Top 5 pick this year, sad to say
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True, and plus...
getting a really good pass rusher opposite Hali would probably have much more impact than having a great safety would. Great QB pressure can make up a lot for deficiencies in the secondary.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I think if we go D side McClain is a better fit ... upgrade LB and be more versatile with rush from there
my 2 cents
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Yeah, I don't think any OLB is worth the #5 pick this year
But if we could get a free agent, that would be nice.
Predictions:
This year will be better
then Okung it is!
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Berry
What I am saying is that we are one guy away from haveing an elite unit. We are several guys from having a good pass rush, or good offensive line. So why not make one positoin elite? That is all I am saying that makes alot of sence to me.
so could McClain, Okung, Suh or any number or other players
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I'd say we are 2 safeties away from having an elite unit in the secondary.
Also, after seeing what Minn can do with a great pass rush and a crappy secondary, I would much rather improve the pass rush, wich would make the secondary better at the same time.
Don't forget we already
picked up stole a stud safety from Philly’s practice squad
http://www.chiefscrowd.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14734&Itemid=2
Reshard Langford looks like a huge upgrade over Mike Brown
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
I'm not going to rest my hopes on a practice squad player being a starter.
Top level starter anyway. But it has happened before. See Colts OL they took from Chiefs
I'm telling you
were only one safety away, and it’s a deep draft for safeties.
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
if it's a deep draft for S position, then there's no need to blow the wad on Berry
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so it comes back to McClain, Okung or trade down ... in theory
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What!
hold the phone
I would throw an undersized DT back in the mix :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
On a side note...
4 of the top 5 are from the Big 12. Pretty impressive!
by LTownChiefsFan on Jan 20, 2010 3:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
1st 3 picks
1. Berry
2. Tate, Greshem
Then get a guy named Jaimme Kirlew (Indiana) in a later round. Plays everything from LB/DT/DE… Tamba attitude about the game too.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
I think Tate will go mid-late rd1 1 depending on the combine
Chiefs would have to trade down from #5 or move up with 2nd rd pick + other picks to get Tate. Unless Bowe gets traded for a 1st and a 4th. OL is more important that a TE in this draft. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ben Watson got signed as a FA.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
It's best not to fall in love with a player this early on Swimcoach...
Your manlove for Berry will probably cause for big disappointment when he’s gone at #3.
Please Remember we have 2 high picks in the second round
We must get Berry…….. Our safety Players are the Weakest Link on our Squad!
I disagree
vehemently
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Plus this is a VERY deep safety class
that fact alone may hurt Berry’s stock somewhat. There are probably several guys who are going to be solid safeties for a long time in the NFL. If we really want a dominant safety we could trade up from the 2nd round & take Earl Thomas.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Agree
Even if there is rumor that Bucs are getting him.. we have to slide up there to get him. They are the ones that worry me. I wish we picked 4 and they were 5
Man crush on Eric Berry.
Brodie Croyle...but that probably won't happen either.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
They drafted Freeman last year
Doubt they will make a deal for another teams castaway clipboard holder.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 20, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Oline...Was Goff signed for 1 year or 2?
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Even Tampas not dumb enough to go for that.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Was joking... but if a DE like D. Morgan or Dunlop have monster combines they could be an option for TB @ #3
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Bucs pick 3
Washington picks 4
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
But if he's gone...
there is nothing we can do about it. Pioli is NOT going to trade up to grab a safety…believe that.
Mel The Hairdo is another one of these national guys who have no real knowledge of the chiefs and what they need and don’t need. If he actually paid attention to the Chiefs, he’d know that Albert played as good a LT as there was, the last quarter of the season, and there’s no way you draft a LT when you already have a 2nd year LT with the promise Albert has. Most of the national guys with no real knowledge of the Chiefs have us taking an OT because “our line needs help”. It does, but NOT at LT, and you don’t draft any other line position with a top 10 pick. If we took Okung, we’d , in effect, be taking a guard with the #5 pick, which is absurd.
yeah, what does Kiper know, anyway
he’s just another pretty face
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Here's a great article on Kiper
http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Mel_Kiper%2C_Jr
* He once snidely remarked of the Colts, “That’s why [they] keep picking number two every year,” after their 1994 second overall selection. Kiper was widely critical of the Colts’ pick that year, Marshall Faulk, who turned out to be such a bust that he is expected to be inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame in the near future.
* In 2005, Kiper praised 8th overall selection, wide receiver Mike Williams, saying, “I’ll see you at his Hall of Fame induction.” Many people have yet to fully recognize the abilities Kiper saw in Williams. These people include coaches, fans, analysts, referees, the players on the teams he played for and against, and anyone else who has seen him in a football jersey. Williams’ journey to the Hall of Fame suffered a slight detour in 2007 when he stopped playing football and no one wanted to sign him.
* In 1999, he touted the potential of Oregon quarterback Akili Smith to exceed at the professional level. Fans have high hopes for Smith to have a great season this year and to make a big statement in his league.
* In 1998, Kiper argued that Ryan Leaf, 2nd overall pick, had an attitude that would be an asset in the NFL. He has since become one of professional football’s most notable quarterbacks.
* In 2001, Kiper predicted a dismal 0-16 season for the New England Patriots. The team finished slightly better than that prediction, managing to win just one Super Bowl the entire season.
Predictions:
This year will be better
no, no ... you're confusing him with Mel Sniper
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We wouldn't be taking a G
We would be taking a LT and move Albert to either LG, RG, or RT. Okung = more time in the pocket for Pioli’s guy, Matt Cassell. It just makes sense.
by kcchiefsfan4life on Jan 20, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Nope, it makes no sense because you’re downgrading at LT, removing a guy who has show the ability to be an outstanding LT for, at absolute best, a guy who may become his equal down the road, and there’s no assurance Albert would be a good guard. You’ve wasted 2 years of developement at LT, for a maybe at LT and a maybe at Guard. Much better off drafting an ACTUAL position of need with #5, like McClain, Berry, or someone else that emerges at NT, WR, then pick the best or 2nd best G in the country in round 2.
Yup, we would be actually upgrading 3 positions
LT, (Okung) LG (Albert) and RG (Waters)
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Okung is a downgrade from Albert, Albert is a question mark at LG, and Waters is a question mark at RG.
You may be right about Okung but Albert is proven at RG from college...
That’s what got him drafted in the first round. Waters can play every interior position on the line.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 20, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yes...Albert did play G in college
In his sophomore and junior seasons, D’Brickasaw Ferguson was Oklahoma State’s starting LT.
by kcchiefsfan4life on Jan 20, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
He was drafted as a LT, with the fallback that if he failed as a LT, he could always try G, because he played G in College. He projected as, and was drafted as, a LT in the NFL. He hasn’t failed, quite the contrary.
Just stating a fact...
That he CAN play guard!!! I agree that he hasn’t failed, but if you can improve your O-Line to protect your QB, you do it.
by kcchiefsfan4life on Jan 20, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
and we can improve our O-Line to protect our QB
By drafting a Guard and a Center to fill our needs at Guard and Center.
Amazing how that works. By the way, if we do that we still have a 1st round pick to use on an immediate impact defensive player.
Doing it the other way around we are drafting a LT so that we MIGHT have as much talent at LT, have a chance at maybe having an improvement at guard, and have a chance to MAYBE have an improvement at Center for 1/2 a season. (It’ll take 1/2 the season for the line to re-gel after shuffling everyone around and then at the end of 2010 Waters will be gone and well be right back to needing a Guard and a Center)
I completely agree that we need improvement on the interior O line. So let’s go get guys to improve the INTERIOR O LINE! Crazy logic I know =P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
right you are!
draft that immediate impact defensive player …
of course, if it happens that he doesn’t pan out, well, we’re just screwed all the way around, huh
so you don’t think Okung would be an upgrade at LT? or that Albert would be an upgrade at RT? O’Call as RG or can fill in anywhere along the line, and still draft C and or G in later rounds? you don’t think the team would look good with Okung LT and Albert RT for the next 10 years?
me, I miss having Roaf and Shields type players … and I’d wager that Cassel and Charles would love an upgrade to the OLine like Okung
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TO be honest...
so you don’t think Okung would be an upgrade at LT
No, I don’t.
or that Albert would be an upgrade at RT
Never seen the guy play right tackle, in college or the pros. So no, Nothing leads me to believe he would be a definate upgrade.
O’Call as RG or can fill in anywhere along the line
Definitely not. O’Call is not (imo) RG material. The RG nees to be the PLOW for your run game. O’Cal hasn’t shown me a single reason to believe that he can be a PLOW.
me, I miss having Roaf and Shields type players
Me too, but Okung is not Roaf, or Shields. And we don’t need a LT. We need a C/G. I’d rather try to fill the biggest glaring holes on our defense with a guy that has the chance to be an immediate impact player instead of spending a 1st rounder on a position we don’t need just so we can justify moving a bunch of otehr guys around into positions that they don’t normally play.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
We're not going to have a plow
if we run a zone blocking rushing offense.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 20, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
and we do just that ...
… run a zone blocking rushing offense
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Um, huh? What?
The RT is your run blocking Plow. It doesnt matter if you run a zone blocking scheme or not.
A zone blocking scheme is a system by which the linemen identify their blocking assingments and also SLIDE protections to allow blocks to continue on to the second level.
It has absolutley ZERO to do with weather or not the guy in any one position has to be the plow for a strong side run game. Sure, the RB’s gonna cut back into the gap, but without the plow there is not gap.
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Okung is a DOWNGRADE? based on ... what?
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Based on the ability Albert has shown, ESPECIALLY in the last quarter of 2009, when he got used to his weight, and got his techniques down. He struggled early in the season, exactly as Haley had indicated he would. and the experience he has already gained playing LT in the NFL puts him light years ahead of Okung. You simply don’t move a young LT in the NFL that has exhibited the ability Albert has, for a maybe.
just thinking ... Okung and Albert could be a new version of Roaf and Shields
for like 10 years
and wouldn’t that just kicka$$
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So could Albert and whatever guard we draft in round 2. Albert definitely shows alot of Roaf qualities at LT.
I believe Okung is bigger/stronger than Albert (could be wrong) and LT is his "natural" position (college)
which, in theory, should him better suited to the LT position … as Albert played right side in college, he should, in theory, be able to transition over fairly seamlessly … and having a year with the Haley ZB system under his belt, be that much easier for him …
sure, we could get someone in Round 2 or 3 or 4 … but not the raw talent that Okung would bring … when you think about it, a line with two anchors like that would be killer … IMNSHO
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Albert played LG in college not on the right side
And is bigger than Okung
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
by Chiefs_KC on Jan 20, 2010 5:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I sit corrected
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by upamtn on Jan 20, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no it doesn't because okung wont be any better at LT then albert.
so you are really picking whatever spot you move albert to.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
I can't stand Kiper
but the more I think about it, the more I could see this happen. As long as there’s a plan for NT, ILB, SS and C I could be happy with it :)
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pass rusher
who is a top 5 pass rusher out there for us to get? There is a top 5 safety.
I don't think there are any 3-4 rush LB's projected to go top 10
4-3 DEs would be D. Morgan and C. Dunlop. Dunlop could also be a 3-4 DE, but no need there
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Doesn't Green Bay have 2 pretty good NTs
I forgot the guy that was starting ahead of Raji. But both were good. Do they plan to keep both, or is one a FA?
I think Pickett is a FA
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
by Chiefs_KC on Jan 20, 2010 5:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I've seen Brandon Graham from Michigan projected as a top-10
but I’m not sure. I like what I’ve read about Von Miller being an Elvis Dumervil clone though, and he should be available in the 2nd round.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Von Miller stayed in college
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
I think if Wash determines that Bradford is not healthy
then they take Okung. I don’t think they will just move the next best QB.
Right here, Primetime
/flips bird at monitor
Mock draft on the front page? Really? You’re better than that.
Well it comes from the great Mel Kiper, Jr.
So it’s as good as gold. Right?
Predictions:
This year will be better
better flag it
to make DTR happy
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
flagged for hauling DTR's name into the gutter with the rest of us
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WE NEED OKUNG!!!
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1133637
Twice in his career, Okung has tossed a shutout against the NCAA’s sack leader. Texas A&M’s Von Miller entered the OSU game as America’s top pass rusher with nine sacks. Against Okung, he did not record a sack. In the 2007 Insight Bowl, Okung held Indiana’s Greg Middleton, another NCAA sack leader, without a tackle. – Oklahoma State football
by kcchiefsfan4life on Jan 20, 2010 3:31 PM CST reply actions
Not trying to disagree
But, doesn’t OSU play a quick pass spread style that allows the QB not to have to hold the ball long?
Yeah, look at J. Smith last year who went #2 overall
played in a spread offense in college, ended up at RT and played OK, not great then got hurt
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Yeah, agreed I'm still not sold on Okung
Nothing I see out of him makes me think he will be an upgrade over Branden Albert.
Okung is not a dominant LT. Neither is Campbell, Davis, or any of the other projected first-round LTs.
I think we will be better off continuing to develop Albert and building the interior line through FA and the later rounds of the Draft.
Okung only allowed 1 sack this year
I say that is pretty damn good!
by kcchiefsfan4life on Jan 20, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
He blocked in a gimick spread
We have a LT, our line is weak in the middle, take a center in round 2-4 and call it a day.
agreed, hiv
Keeping albert, waters, ocall in their places
Drafting a true center and a guard in the 2nd through 5th rounds
That’s a strategy that makes sense.
Build on the progress achieved in the latter part of the season, and free up the early picks and cash to get playmakers on defense
ZB doesn’t require the elite maulers, this OL can continue getting better with a couple mid round picks
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by stagdsp on Jan 20, 2010 5:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If Okung does fall to up I think that puts us in a huge trade down position.
2000-2009 OT have been taken in the top 10 slots 14 times. 8 of those times was in the top 5.
If Okung does fall I think teams will be lining up to get at him.
I’m thinking either San Fran or Buffalo
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jan 20, 2010 3:34 PM CST reply actions
Like the royal WE
I’m not gonna drive the car, handle the phone and make the drop, I need a driver.
SHUT THE FUCK UP WALTER!!!!
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jan 20, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Did anyone pay attention last year?
We’re gonna build the trenches. I want McClain, but I’m preparing myself for the reality that we’ll take Okung. I will be absoultely shocked if we take Berry, it would go against everything Pioli has done in the past. He took Mayo at 9, maybe taking McClain at 5 isn’t terrible. But that contract we bring on with that pick, will go to a position that pays, not a Safety. I just doubt that Pioli takes a player, a rookie player, and makes him one of the highest paid players at his position before ever taking a NFL snap.
the reality, Bajah, is that if Pioli does use that #5 pick ... whoever it is he gets WILL be very highly paid
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obviously
its just an opinion, but I don’t think we will take Berry for the reason above. But I hope, as many agree, we can trade down and still get McClain around 8-10, where Mayo was taken. Like I saw above, we want teams to fall in love with Bradford AND Clausen, and hopefully one of them is available at 5. I saw somewhere that Shannahan likes Campbell, and was excited to work with him. Maybe one of them will be available.
Pioli is working a deal with Gates
feeding Big Baby/Chiefs coaches and endorsement contract back to Chiefs to offset the contract.
Win Win
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that Pioli is going to build the trenches, but if he feels Albert can be a LT
then he’ll draft a LG and/or RT (which is essentially what drafting an OT #5 amounts to) in rds 2-5. Albert only gave up a 1/2 or 1 more sack than Clady this year and Clady’s in the Pro Bowl…
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
absolutely
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
by stagdsp on Jan 20, 2010 5:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You are probably right about building the trenches but...
If that holds true, Pioli very well could reach for Cody with that pick if that’s the case.
I hope not... Hopefully atleast 1 good NT hits the FA market
Pioli better throw a bucket of cash their way. Cody in rd 2 I’d be OK with
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
you are both right
Ideally, a nt inFA is key
IF he can’t get one, pioli very well could try to trade down and/or take a NT in the 1st
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
by stagdsp on Jan 20, 2010 5:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
IMO that's worst case scenario - Get a NT in FA
we need a force and a guy that can step in right away.
I didn't read all the comments but this is my take
If Kiper is right about the first 4 that is very well how the Chiefs pick could play out. If he is wrong about any of the top 4 the Chiefs probably won’t take Okong depending on who is left or the could just trade down.
Why did you skip all the conversation?
You got something better to do at 5 o’clock? :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
I do believe...
Kiper is usually right on the top 5 selections. As in, which team will select who, so if that is the case, I like this scenario! That leaves Okung AND Clausen available. You definitely will have teams 6-10 wanting to move up to grab a franchise QB or LT. And I bet Pioli will let the phone ring and ring. Tease them a bit, then listen to offers. I honestly think we will not hear a word from Pioli or Halye about who they are interested in! Not one peep! In fact I see them playing jedi mind tricks with some of these teams and act like they are in love with everyone of those top 5 players (Suh, both qbs, Berry and Okung).
I also love how many comments this post has received!
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
First mock draft!
I believe that we can get both NT and OL help in free agency. KC needs to resign DJ at ILB because he is a proven playmaker. So here is my mock draft that I feel would make this team more solid on offense as well as defense. Also I feel that there are a lot of high quality ILB early in this draft so it’s not a must to use the fifth pick to select McClain
1st round: Eric Berry, TN
2nd round A: Jerry Hughes, TCU
2nd round B: Daryl Washington, TCU
3rd round: Jordan Shipley, TX could be a Pioli guy “the next Wes Welker” set the NCAA record for most yards by TE
4th round: Dennis Pitta, BYU
With this draft Cassel would be salivating with all these pass catching options and our defense would become harder nosed.
Don't do that
a thread killer
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Is the quality of a good mock draft
based on how good the players end up during their career? Or how good you are at actually ranking where the players will fall during the draft.
I know MK does this best available board. I would like to compare the best available board to how those players actually pan out in their careers.
Chicken or Egg
I would prefer projecting the best players for an NFL career. That is what you want to base your Big Board on. IMO
Basing on selecting the draft itself is being a fool in the rain
Awesome song. Thanks Vincent
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think we can go wrong with
Berry, McClain or Okung. We will start out on the right foot no matter which one of the 3 we get and atleast one of them will be there at #5. Now hopefully it’s Berry, but no matter what happens, we are going to get a solid 1st round guy, what will be more interesting will be what we do with our 2 2nd round picks… I could see Pioli packaging those and get into the 1st round again. I would prefer he just selects at those picks. He could cover some good spots with those picks.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
Love this.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/nflmockdraft.html
I’ve seen some Mocks having Berry fall past the Chiefs. Unreal.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d815d58ce&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
This guy from NFL.com has Berry falling to #13. That’s the fartherest I’ve seen him drop. Not going to happen.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
okung would be a great pick
i dont see how everyone bitches about cassell’s protection and how hes making too much money to be laying around on his back and then moan about drafting a really good OL. especially with waters nearing the end and especially if u want charles to be a top notch runner. the whole country knew last off season that the chief’s biggest concern was their line. so what the hell, lets use our first rounder on someone who will have to do alot more adjusting and learning to make an immediate impact. yes, you eric berry
First 3
1st round – Okung – He allows so much flexibilty with our o-line that this pick improves the line immediately. Alberts is a guard not a tackle. If he is gone and Berry and McClain is still there I go with Berry then McClain.
2a. Terrence (Mount) Cody – 6’5 360 – enough said – well one more thing – McClains numbers improved when Cody showed up in Bama. Alabama allowed 128 runshing yard s a game in 2007 and only 78 in 2008 and 79 in 2009 Cody was on the team in 2008 and 2009 – McClain played 13 games in 2007 (just pointing out the facts) it takes a big NT to open up pass rush lanes for the LB’s and they need to take up 2 – 3 blockers on run plays – edwards was lucky to take a FB. NT it our biggest need overall and Cody looks like the 1st and 2nd down NT we need. Dorsey can play NT on 3rd down passing situations and have Tamba play on the line.
2b. This is a reach but Jordan Shipley TX WR/KR – Great after the catch runner – Possible wildcat type of player and could line up in the slot and fixes our KR whole….
3rd round needs to be Safety or OLB
I'm not too big on Shipley....
I really think Mardy Ginyard is going to be the best WR to come out of this draft. Dude is a stud WR and KR. A taller version of Dante Hall (6’1" – 5’8")
That said though, WR is SO DEEP in this draft
and probably can find multiple studs in even the latest rounds
On a side note, what a FUNNY A$$ picture
there there little boy, just run behind my big ass and you’ll be fine
Buffalo Trade
Buffalo will want to trade ahead of Seattle to get a QB, we need to look at the Best player at #9, with hopefully an extra 2 and a fill flop of our 3rd pick, (that combo will work on the trade chart)
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