Haley Says Chiefs Want to be More Like the Broncos
by Joel Thorman on Jan 2, 2010 8:00 AM CST
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PrintThe Kansas City Chiefs and Denver Broncos were thought to be similar squads entering the 2009 season. Both had new quarterbacks, both had new head coaches that rubbed some the wrong way, both were employing the 3-4 defense for the first time, and both were expected to struggle.
Well, things didn't quite turn out that way. The Broncos started out 6-0 and the Chiefs started out 0-5.
Chiefs head coach Todd Haley was asked yesterday about Denver's turnaround and said ultimately they want to be like that.
"It’s a testament to building your program and knowing the types of players you want and the kind of system you want to run," he said. "Denver exemplifies that. It’s what we want to accomplish.
"You have got to know exactly what you want to do and how you want to play and then you have to acquire the players necessary to fit the things you’re doing. That’s your plan."
Haley was cognizant of the fact that teams like Denver and Kansas City face an uphill battle to start because they have a bunch of players that weren't necessarily brought in for the schemes they want to run.
"I think in the transition period you’ve got to do the things necessary to try to succeed but, at the same time, teach exactly what you’re going to be teaching for years to come," Haley continued. "Denver has a bunch of guys who can zone block and some runners that it appears are very good at zone running."
These are interesting comments because it's seemed at times that the Chiefs were trying to fit square pegs into a round hole. The Chiefs played Larry Johnson at a time when he wasn't producing anything and got rid of Chan Gailey even though he was the playcaller of an offense that made a second half turnaround last season.
Haley's a first time head coach so I think he's matured as the season has gone on understanding more and more the necessity of scoring more points than their opponent, regardless of the avenue they take.
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I don’t want to be anything like Denver, I’d run a punt block defense every down Madden style just so I wouldn’t me compared to the donkeys. Lol.
by SKyNYrDCHiEF44 on Jan 2, 2010 8:29 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Be like Bronco's
When the hell will Pioli & Haley want to make this team like the Chiefs.Not the losers of the last few years,but the stong “D” & hard running games that made this franchise a winning organization.I’m sick of them saying let’s be like the Pats,Steelers,etc.Denver,really???
John Soellner
i would read to much into this
it was a very PC thing to say. it’s not like haley could come out and say “Denver went 6-0 and we didn’t because they have talent and we don’t”
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
its just coachspeak
Most coaches will often say something positive about their upcoming opponent in the media just to set the tone against providing bulletin board material.
by chiefsfan62 on Jan 2, 2010 8:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I really don't think starting out 6-0 and possibly missing the playoffs is something to admire.
No playoffs and the Broncos are no better than the Chiefs.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Point taken
But…
I’d take a 6-0 start and a shot at the playoffs over the 3 wins we currently have.
So, I get Haley’s point, too.
Exactly!!
Haley must be kissing McDaniels butt so he won’t run the score up on us too bad..jk
how about trying to be like Todd Haleys team…?? Have an identity…don’t compare organizations when your the HC….it’s like admitting Denver made better choices even at coach.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 2, 2010 9:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What Galls Me
Is not the coach comparing the Chiefs to another team and saying “we’d like to be like them”. If Haley’s pointing at the Patriots or Steelers or Eagles then that’s fine…those are all well-run teams that have been good for a considerable period of time. But he’s comparing the Chiefs to a Broncos team that’s flat-out sucked in the last half of the season under a rookie head coach, that’s been the epitome of mediocrity the last three or four years and that’s had an often dysfunctional organizational strategy that has crippled its chances of success.
We want to be like the Broncos? Why? They’re a second-place team in an underwhelming division…the Chiefs should be aiming a lot higher. And this is the last game of a terrible season so there’s nothing at stake, so who the hell cares if we give them “bulletin board” material? Poor mouthing for the Broncos is a joke…a completely unnecessary joke. And if Todd Haley loses this game today, as far as I’m concerned this should be his final season at the helm of our team.
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Crawford back at it full force!!
I agree somewhat. I think Haley should never want to be like a rival no matter how good they are. He should be talking his team up not selling them out.
I think Haley deserves another year regardless of the outcome. He just better hire a damn good OC and DC!!…if not it will be the same crap. Haley can’t run everything himself….he can’t even muster up enough hate towards the Broncos to rip on them a little bit.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 2, 2010 10:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
To Be Honest
I’m pretty apathetic about whether he comes back next year or not. I think he’s done a terrible job and has shown almost no reason for the Chiefs to keep him around, but I also realize it’s unlikely he’ll get fired after this year. If he comes back, my response will probably be along the lines of “Meh”.
I do repeat my assertion that I don’t believe the Chiefs will ever make the playoffs with Haley as their coach. A lot of people think you need a disciplinarian to build a winning team, and I’d agree with that somewhat, but there’s a difference between a coach who’s a disciplinarian (meaning he sets clear standards and holds his people accountable to those standards) and a coach who’s just an abusive dick (meaning he yells and screams and never actually sets a clear standard nor gets his people to achieve anything). I think Todd Haley is just an abusive dick who was a good offensive coordinator but who hasn’t got the first clue about how to manage people as a head coach.
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And I Don't Know That It's An Inexperience Thing With Haley Either
I honestly think the man is just kind of a dick. Not that he’s necessarily a bad human being, but more that I think he just doesn’t have much respect for people who work under him unless they’re his buddies.
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Ok
If u could give Pioli a few guys to consider as our next HC, who would u tell him?
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 2, 2010 12:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Leslie Frazier
While he’s been a very good defensive coordinator in Minnesota, he’s also had head coaching experience (in college). He’d be my first choice, primarily because I think he’s simply the best pro HC candidate in the NFL right now.
Second would be Jim Harbaugh at Stanford. He’s had pro experience as a player and coach (although no coordinator experience, which is the only reason I list him second), been successful at both college stops as a head coach, and he’s expressed interest in a pro job. His interest in a pro job was the only reason I didn’t want KU to hire him to replace Mangino…I figured he might not stick around for the entire contract. But he’s done well wherever he’s gone.
Third, I’d probably say either Mike Mularkey (the last decent coach the Bills had, who’s done a very good job with Atlanta’s offense) or Greg Manusky (49ers DC).
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Or Todd Bowles
DC in Miami. He’s got that Parcells tie that Pioli loves. Although I’m skittish about another guy from the Parcells coaching tree considering how Haley’s looked, but Bowles’ name probably bears mentioning.
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Nice choices
Leslie Frazier is going to be a hot commodity this offseason.
I personally like the older proven guys…. Brian Billick, Dennis Green, Bill Cowher, etc. If I had my choice I would take Billick. An offensive guru who has coached with a record breaking defense…very well rounded coach.
I just think since Haley has ties with Parcells, and Pioli, he has the upper hand in keeping his job. He is part of the “connection”…
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 2, 2010 12:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Older Guys Rarely Recreate The Magic
Jimmy Johnson in Miami being a case in point. Same with Parcells post-NY. And Holmgren post-Green Bay. They were still good coaches, but they never got the same level of success out of their follow-on teams. That’s not an absolute, of course, but the NFL is a meatgrinder and coaches get ground down same as players do. I’d just rather have fresh perspectives. So while I think Haley was a bad hire, I don’t think that a young coach is a bad way to go.
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Also Mike Zimmer
DC for Cincinnati. In the two years he’s been there, he’s put out a solid unit. So he’s up there at least with Manusky and Mularkey.
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I'm pretty sure Haley is safe for at least one more year.
I’m interested to see how the offense looks with one more year under this system. I think it will be a very good one.
Our defense needs a LOT of help in the coaching department though. If we got a guy like Romeo who could be trusted to do well with the defense and get an OC who can pick up Haleys system and carry on with it, then all we really need is a QB coach to help bring Cassel along.
With help like that in place, I think Haley could right the ship. As bad as he has been this year. I like his attitude and I like the direction we are taking, even if it is slower than we had hoped. We have needed a coach with his “passion” for a long time. I think that’s how you get a tough, disciplined football team.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 2, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Passion
I’d call it more “directionless abuse”. I don’t really care if a coach yells or doesn’t say a word on the sidelines…all I care about are the results. Haley doesn’t get those, and frankly I think he does a lot to undermine his team from achieving good results. I don’t think it’ll be particularly tough to find a coach who can do a better job on the sidelines who’ll have just as much passion for the game, without the abusiveness.
I think that’s how you get a tough, disciplined football team.
Honestly, I think this team is as sloppy and undisciplined as any team that Herm Edwards ever coached. They make stupid penalties and bad plays and mental errors and their performance level hasn’t improved in any significant way since the start of the season except for not giving Larry Johnson carries any more.
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Im NOT saying he's the second coming of Jesus or anything like that but...
I see the overall direction of the team and it is SO much different from the way the team was built under Herm. There is no way that the new offense could have been installed without some bumps along the way. I think THATS why Gailey was let go. Haley wanted to run a Pro style offense regardless of whether we had the players in place at the time to do it. Gailey would’ve continued trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. In the long term, this IS the best thing for the team. You can see the difference in the way this offense is run and it is going to be much easier to disguise what we are doing offensively in this system.
As far as the defense goes…we’re a wreck! However, we were not able to get a DC in here that we wanted and God knows we didn’t have all the players to switch to the 3-4 this year so, it’s a work in progress. I think next year will be much better with a better DC and a couple of new players to make the scheme work better (namely a dominant NT, which we don’t have)
If not, I’m sure he won’t last after next year if things haven’t changed by then.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 2, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Different Is Not Necessarily Better
I personally wouldn’t have had so much of a problem with Chan Gailey as I did with the method in which he was fired and the offense changed…two weeks before the season started. If Haley couldn’t didn’t want to run Gailey’s offense, he should have made that change two months before at least. But he didn’t. He fired Gailey immediately before the season, scrapped the offense and basically made the entire OTA and training camp period a waste of time, insuring that his team would be playing catch up all year. Haley screwed the team over with a rash and idiotic decision…and the team paid for it all year. That’s the sign of an immature and foolish head coach.
Gailey would’ve continued trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
Gailey has had a pretty decent career in the NFL as an offensive coordinator so I find the idea that he was unable to run a “pro-style” offense more than a little laughable. He’s been an OC a hell of a lot longer than Todd Haley, and on more successful teams. Actually, he’s also been a better head coach than Todd Haley as well. If Haley thought he couldn’t learn anything from Gailey, that says more about Haley’s maturity and decision-making than it does about Gailey’s ability.
Also, the Chiefs are actually worse on offense this year under Todd Haley than they were under Chan Gailey last year. They’re ranked about the same in points and are four spots worse in yardage. So I don’t really see any empirical reason to claim that Haley was an upgrade. The team certainly didn’t perform like Haley was an upgrade. You’re right about the defense, though.
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Did you say today?
The game IS tomorrow isn’t it?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 2, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
You're Right
Sorry…my schedule’s been so screwy lately that I thought today was Sunday. It feels like a Sunday. That’s what a month on the road will do to you.
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If the Broncos win today, they and the Chiefs will have improved only one game each over
last year. If the Broncos lose, they will have matched their record from last year and the Chiefs will have doubled their wins.
ummm isn't today Sat.
I am just waking up… and hope I didn’t sleep an extra day.
LOL funny
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 2, 2010 9:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ya... I'm supposed to be in Lexington.
for the UK/UL game. Being I will probably be the only UK Alum there this should be an interesting day.
Sweet
Uk by 15 easy Louisville has no front court….I live in ky and I am probably the only guy I know who doesn’t like either Uk or U of L…,I am a Syracuse fan….(before Carmelo)……
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 2, 2010 12:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow that was a pretty rough game at the start.
I am a UK alumni, and I was told when I moved here that I would have to become a UK fan. I worked with Matt Pitino at Lane’s End Farm. He was a super cool guy… and I became a fan as I was at school.
As much of a fan I am of the school… I am that much of a fan of the inverse of UK… KU will always be the team I fully cheer.
Just Remember
Kentucky owes the biggest part of their basketball tradition to a KU alum. :)
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And KC will have kept Denver out of the playoffs. Which is the most important thing. ( :
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Maybe.....Not
If we win that could drop us to 5 in the draft and do you think Eric Berry or a franchise tackle will still be on the board? Besides even if we win they will maybe still not get in. Should they get in they will lose in the wild card game.So am i the only one that could give a shit if they get in or not?
First, I always want the Chiefs to win....
….and second, I love watching Denver lose. Third, I really don’t think I want to be picking quite that high. Yes I do believe Berry will be there at 5 and I don’t believe there is a tackle who is worthy of a top 3 pick in this draft. Plus we have a franchise tackle and everyone wants to move him to guard so we can draft a “franchise” tackle who, IMO, would never be an “upgrade” over Albert.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
To finish up the quote about zone blocking and running:
“…and now what they do from here, that’s for them to decide… You know, whether that’s what they are or not…”
So, it’s pretty clearly a back-handed empty compliment at best.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jan 2, 2010 10:06 AM CST reply actions
hmmm
I think its time to let the Gailey fire go….Honestly it really must have not been a fit…that is how it goes…Think about it, if you were to always keep the most qualified, priefer would have NEVER come to KC to replace a departing frank gansz jr.
I have faith in some serious improvement with an OC/QB coach, haley will be more comfortable, and the team has cash to spend…Everyone complained,…well I didnt really but people complained about a lack of FA signings….this is the year to try and nab Wilfork…7 years 100 mil make it happen.
Must get Wilfork!!
No matter the amount!!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 2, 2010 12:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I heard Hoodie wants a 2nd rounder and a left testicle for Wilfork. You gonna step up to the plate Matty?
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Hey, I have two....only need one...let's do it !!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 2, 2010 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
At least it isn't the right one...that would suck!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 2, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
I want it bronzed and mounted on a trophy at one arrowhead drive
“Here stands the testicle of a great fan, Matt_Grbac” “He gave his left testicle for Vince Wilfork” “Although a replica(Vince at the original) this is a trophy of true sacrifice and dedication, core values of the KC Chiefs”
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 2, 2010 12:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
*ate the original
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 2, 2010 12:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Get a top line DC, a QB Coach
And a little more talent and we will be far better than the Donks. 8-8 isn’t too much to reach for. Besides, I thought the goal was to be more like the Pats? The Donks offensively are on a downward slide. BMarsh being benched is only a continuation of Cutler being traded. Denver, like the Chiefs will likely overpay their lackluster QB just in order to keep the slide from being too bad. On the other hand, if they keep Elvis their D should get better. The beginning of the season they were able to play great D with smoke and mirrors provided by one of the best DCs around. They are missing about 5 guys from really being competitive defensively (the Chiefs I have being 3 guys away NT, ILB, SS).
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
I still dont see how McDaniels doesnt get fired if they lose and miss the playoffs.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Yup. I actually think Haley will be good in time... really good.
I REALLY like the way this offense is being built. I know it hasn’t looked like much but, you get the feel for what it’s going to become. This is going to be an attacking offense that has a legit threat in the run game as well as a couple of pretty good WRs in Bowe and Chambers. Cottam is looking like he will be a good receiving TE and the pass blocking is way better than we have seen for a long time. If Cassel improves and develops some chemistry with these WRs this offseason, this could be a very dangerous offense with a couple of nice additions.
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