Zero Flood Slot Hat, Seventy-Eight Shout Tosser
This was the first play that Charlie Weis called in Superbowl XXXVI. Zero is the base formation. Flood Slot Hat further modifies this formation to a set with one back in motion, two tight ends and two wide receivers (which is to say five potential receivers in total). Seventy-eight is the base play number, a three step drop play. Shout tells the three potential receivers on one side of the quarterback what routes they should run, while Tosser tells the other two potential receivers their patterns. During the actual game, Tom Brady threw the ball to Troy Brown for a twenty-one yard gain, 17 of it after the catch.
Why in the H-E double tooth picks is Aiken posting this stuff? I have been doing some research on the Erhardt-Perkins offense to see if I could shed some light on why Todd Haley made some of the decisions(in this case specifically starting LJ instead of Charles)that he made during last season. While it is, of course, impossible to know for sure why he did certain things, it may give us a bit of encouragment going forward to know that there was a reason.
Erhardt-Perkins was developed by Ron Erhardt and Ray Perkins while they were assistant coaches to Chuck Fairbanks when he was HC of the Patriots in the 1970s. It seems that EP(for short)has at times had a reputation of being a traditional "smash mouth" style of football that does not frequently use RBs as receivers. In fact, Erhardt was famous for saying "pass to score, run to win". This offense in it's original form frequently uses the run to set up the pass via play action passing. Now, as the NFL rules began to change and favor the passing game, Erhardt began to run this offense wide open(even garnering the knickname "Air Erhardt"). That means that he had an empty backfield and as many as 5 potential receivers in the game. The Patriots commonly ran this with 2WRs, 2TEs and a back in the slot(five potential receivers). Actually they ran this type offense in 2007 with the addition of Randy Moss and Wes Welker and set records. The play that I mentioned in the subject line is one of the plays that can be run just like this.
Why is all this important? I think it tells us why Haley chose to run LJ in the offense. As the offense was being installed, the base part(probably where it got the rep for being smash mouth football)had to be learned first. LJ is much more of a smash mouth runner(or at least had the potential to be)than anyone else on the roster. Why wouldn't you put him in the game if he better fit the offense you were trying to teach? When Haley arrived, Charles was known as a young back that had trouble holding onto the ball(he has indeed shown that proclivity)and was, supposedly, being used more as a receiver out of the backfield. That part of the offense was not being included in the first half of the season. In fact, it hasn't really been used much yet at all. I would look for more of that next year once our WRs are upgraded(if indeed they are). I do think that Charles has gone a long ways to proving that he can be a back in this system. I hope he can still catch the ball!
Anyway, LJ was so bad at being the 'smash mouth' runner that he used to be that his poor performance slowed down the offenses ability to run pass plays. That coupled with the o-line inadequacy made us one dimensionally bad. Defenses were not worried about stopping the run and were able to 'cheat' towards the pass. I think that his is why there were so many drops. Defenders were always close to the recievers and effective at harrassing their catches. I think this might have been why the receivers started talking about how the drops were becoming contagious. They were so used to having a defender on top of them that they got the shakes even when they were open. Even after Charles became the starter, the defenses didn't honor his presence until the last couple of games. This is also why Cassel had to make many passes behind or too high for the receiver. The defenders were right there. Chris Chambers actually used physicality to make several of Cassel's passes look much better than they actually were. Can you imagine the difference next year if Charles can be the beast he looked like in the last few games?
If you think back about the Patriots offenses in the last few years, their most effective ones didn't have that big bruising back. Rather they had a back that was good at catching the ball. I think that this was why Bellichick limited LaMont Jordan's touches a couple of years ago. Why do you think Kevin Faulk hangs around? This is probably Laurence Maroney's biggest detriment. I believe that this is where Haley is going and what Weis brings to the table.
So go ahead and shoot holes in my theory of why LJ played instead of Charles. I can't prove that I'm correct. If I am though, I am very excited about next season. EP has many parts and we have only begun to really start using it. Bill Parcells used this offense during his years with the Giants. This is where Charle Weis learned it. It is worth noting that in the 1986 season, the Giants under Parcells amassed a 14-2 record running this offense with Phil Simms as QB, Ottis Anderson as RB, and guess who was the FB? MO CARTHON.
Haley and Pioli are no fools. If any of you still think that Haley starting LJ was because of Haley's lack of ability to discern the better back, I challenge that. I think LJ was the better back(given their backgrounds)for what Haley was trying to do. LJ and Charles are different backs and were used as needed. Haley was following a plan. He still is. He and Pioli are recreating a SB winning formula with guys who were part of the original show now on the coaching staff. Year one was about installing the base offense and giving those players that remain blocks on which to build. It's going to be alot more fun watching the draft with some idea of what they are trying to do.
One side note is that the EP system is based on the precepts of emphasized team mentality, equality among players and lack of individual egos. It has a military feel. Parcels did coach at army and Bellichick's dad was an assitant coach for Navy. I think this may be why Haley took away TGs parking space. You cannot be an equal team member if you are not treated equally. This philosophy probably explains Haley's attitudes and actions concerning Bowe, Waters, DJ, LJ and Pollard. It's ironic that Haley's perceived egotistical attitude was caused by actions he took to eliminate individual egos and situations that were stifling a team mentality. Go ahead and tell me I'm wong, but at least I offered a possible reason for the man behind the curtain's actions.
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Good insight
I think Haley trying to install a base offense with base fundamental terminology has a lot to do with how our offense progressed (or didn’t progress).
Ya can’t really open up the playbook until you begin to understand the underlying foundation and concepts of the offense you’re trying to run. I believe that was the message he was attempting to drive home during the Philly game when he kept runnning LJ into the back of his line.
Rec’d.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
I didn't read the article at all
I just read the title, burst into laughter, and cried, “What?!?”
Very nice. I’ll read the article now.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 18, 2010 1:03 PM CST reply actions
i agree
and moreso, along with the personell choices haley made, i think the playcalling was affected by a couple of things you mentioned also. things like the draw plays in the beginning of the season. APers were barking mad when we’d run those draw plays with LJ. “It doesnt work! do something else!” we were ready to hang him and hire ANY OC we could get our hands on.
fast forward to today, and we start to understand that part of what you were talking about with installing the base offense. we had to learn the fundamentals of the offense, even if it was painful. we had just trudged through a chan gailey offense that was patchwork, and an interim, band aid fix offense. it HAD to be catered to the personell, because what the hell else did we have?
haley insisted that the players ‘buck up’ and JUST DO IT. MAKE IT WORK. I DONT CARE WHAT IT TAKES. i think this attitude that everyone was up in arms about actually benefited us down the stretch.
This new regime is making long term decisions. i like.
if rhymes were valiums, i'd be comfortably numb
Most intelligent thing written in FanPosts in weeks.
Great job.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Wrecked!
Very thoughtful analysis. We have much to look forward to. Haley firing Chan was the best thing he could have ever done to get this train headed in the direction he wanted. If he hadn’t, what we saw this year, is what we would have seen the next.
Pioli and Haley knew exactly what they were doing.
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most excellent post
This is well reasoned and makes much more sense to me than what the Haley haters produce to boost their arguments.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
Very good writing
Aiken…..Makes a lot of sense as far what we’ve seen this season. I for one am starting to believe that there is a lot more thinking goin on at One Arrowhead than most people realize….I think this draft is really gonna exemplify the new identity PIoli and Haley would like for this team.
Good Job Aiken.
Very thoughtful. I agree with much of this.
It’s been apparent to me for the past several weeks that the Chiefs have a plan. Pioli isn’t some football retard. He was the NFL executive of the decade. He played the game. He’s helped assemble the greatest franchise of this decade. He has a plan. He knows what he’s doing.
Same for Haley. Yeah, he didn’t play, but he’s spent much of his life around the sport. He coordinated a team to a SB. He understands the game. You don’t have to play a sport to know how it works. I was a little skeptical about Haley continuing to play LJ the way he did, but you’re right. Haley had to get our multi million dollar bruiser back going. This offense was/is so young that a running game needed to be established first and foremost. Thankfully we now have that running attack. The play action passes and the motion sets that will come because of an established rushing game is going to be great. KC will have a dangerous offense in 2010, so long as the OL is addressed and a few other pieces are upgraded.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 18, 2010 2:50 PM CST reply actions
When I see the two words 'slot hat' next to each other
football is not the first thing that comes to mind…add in the ‘tosser’, and my mind is fully in the gutter
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 18, 2010 3:24 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I'm glad I wasn't the only one, lol.
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-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Jan 20, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Satchmo had made a previous post
about this and talked about Haley changing to zone blocking. I hadn’t seen that post. Didn’t mean to double up here!
Well, when I first saw the title to the post I was like
“OH SHIT AIKEN’S HAD A STROKE, SOMEONE CALL 911’. Then I realized you just don’t know what words mean. That helped a lot. From there I was able to read the entire article and even understood some of it this time. Very nice. Rec’d
BTW, I guess you probably already figured this out by now but..
that was my weird way of saying nice post.
I think I will save Aiken_Drum posts for last
I was thinking “Satan get thee back”
Yet the prose and the ideas and the knowledge is better than anything I see anywhere Chief related. “Welcome to AP”
Can I get you a Drink? on the bar
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
Do you take Beer-gloves?
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Would that be bourbon or scotch?
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Had to look it up
I am Natty lite (no taste at all
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
A Godfather and a nice cigar
after a sinfully indulgent meal is one of lifes purest of pleasures. Maybe even a glass of port.
thank you for the email
I am happy to contribute :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
OMG
Thanks Joel. I am truly impressed(and a bit surprised)to get your reply. I will endeavor to be a proper custodian of my corner on Arrowhead Pride.
Steve (up above there)
He’s the bartender. He’ll serve ya up right :)
by Joel Thorman on Jan 18, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Damn Straight!
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Sapphire and tonic, please
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
Maybe
Baffert’s and Tonic?
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
never tried that
a recommendation?
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
have no idea
Brian
By Brian
I disagree, it’s a great drink with Sapphire, but its nothing like a Baffert’s and Tonic. Whats Baffert’s you ask? Its in a different league from sapphire, or tangueray ten for that matter. Plus, Sapphire is all image, and its becoming pretty cliche.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2010 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
just went to read about Bafferts
I’ll try it for sure. But, it sounds like it’s intended to be a gin without flavor. I like Sapphire flavor, it’s dry. Tanquaray is sweeter.
As to cliche, you should drink what you like and not give a damn what someone thinks of it. Don’t drink something just because it’s trendy.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
I drink Natty lite
no one says I’m trendy, just Cheap
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
here in Seattle
the popular (trendy?) cheap swills are PBR and Olympia. Even though they aren’t really the original breweries anymore. Not sure who makes them.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
heh, spent 11 years as a bardtender/manager and 7 as an owner of a nighclub/tender
I always wondered why Steve and I get along so well. Now I know.
I actually kicked a guy (college douchpickle) out of the bar one night because of a conversation that went basically like this:
Douchpickle (with 2 girls he wanted to impress standing near him at the bar): Let me have a Martini, Shaken not stirred
Me (rolling my eyes are his lameness): Vodka or Gin?
DP: Ummmm, Vodka
Me: Straight or rocks?
DP: Straight
Me: Dirty or Clean?
DP: what? um, clean I guess
Me: Sweet or Dry
DP: Dude, just give me a martini (trying to play it off to the girls)
Me: Sweet or Dry?
DP: Extra Extra Dry
Me: You want a twist?
DP: No, but I wan’t olive juice (looking at the girls) The olive juice puts it over the top!
Me: I can’t make it clean WITH olive juice. You’re going to have to pick one or the other.
DP: I want olive juice, lots of it.
Me: Kettle, Absolute, Grey Goose, Arlandia, Smirinoff??
DP: Uh, what?
Me: What kind of Vodka dude? I’ve got like 20 different kinds ranging from $3 to $40
DP: Just gimmie the well stuff.
Me: Seriously? You want a shot of the cheapist vodka in the house, straight up with lots of olive juice and no vermouth at all, no twist, and you want me to put it in a fancy cup?
- I proceed to grab a shot glass and dunk it the olive tray and to get it all over the sides of the glass and then pour out a shot of the cheap ass SKOL Vodka from the well into it, and slap it down on the bar in front of him.
Me: Drink that on the house, and then get the hell out of my bar.
I turn to the ladies:
Me: Would you ladies like a drink, or will you be leaving with James Bond over here?
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Jan 18, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
that's awesome!
I hope the girls stayed.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
they did heh
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Jan 18, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Holy hell, please forgive any and all posts I made Last night
To say that I was drunk and ‘over sharing’ would be an understatement.
I jumped online after the little lady had had enough of me and went to bed.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
I liked it TC
there is this website about texts sent lastnight
A little to much info there for my tastes.
Yours was just fine :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 20, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
But yes
I am that kinda asshole.
No pretentious wanna be, California foo foo, or douchepickles were/are allowed in my bar or my home.
I have no patience for pretty boy, spoon fed, ‘status junkie’ asshats. Go drink your Zima and Corona with lime somewhere else.
If you want a Whiskey/Scotch backed with a Real Beer (Light/Lite Beer is asswater) and you wanna talk sports or politics then Come on in, pull up a chair, shuffle up and deal. The buy in is $40, and you can’t quit til it’s 2am or you lose it all. (Don’t you hate those idiots that come to a poker game and win 2 or 3 hands early and then ‘have an emergency’ and have to leave – with your money?)
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Jan 19, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
they still make Zima?! alright!!!!!
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Always in motion is the future.
-- Yoda
Effing brilliant
My new fav gin is
Magellan gin, infused one time more than Sapphire so it’s actually a bit blue. If you like the botanical gins, which I do.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 22, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Cheers and nice post!
Reading stuff like this is what keeps me coming back to AP. I can’t wait to see what our new coaching staff is going to do in the offseason.
We are having a Great Debate on Bewsafs post
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
This was a great read... and Rec'd!
Very well thought out and probably right on!
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by Fan of the Red And Gold on Jan 18, 2010 10:14 PM CST reply actions
Great job Aiken!
You did a great job displaying Haley’s preperation of the team for what he wants them to be in the future, and the identity and phiosophies hs wants to instill in the team. He took, and still takes, alot of heat from the Haley haters. I questioned him a few times myself, wondering why he was continually running LJ, when it was obvious it wasn’t working. Well, he was looking at the big picture, and it even began to show later in the season. I agree with somebodie’s comment that you don’t go from a Superbowl Offensive Coordinator, who was calling the plays, to a terrible playcaller overnight. I hope as the team progresses, Haley gets the credit he deserves. There are still alot of people waiting for Bill Cowher to come and save the day. Let me remind you, Cowher is a great coach, but he did only win one Superbowl in all of the seasons he coached, and Tomlin was able to do it in his first season. That doesn’t take away from Cowher continuously having teams that competed almost every year, for the trophy, but he isn’t a God.
Awesome post!
I love the X’s and O’s game, and don’t know why so many people fail to realize the intricacies of it and how it relates to things. By the way, Ottis Anderson was on the 1990 Giants, Joe Morris was on the 1986 squad.
Nice job Aiken
Very well thought out. I agree with everything you said and also learned alot.
Matt Verderame
Excellent work Aiken.
A good read with a lot of useful information…finding out about the E-P offense is interesting to me, especially considering this franchise’s history with the West Coast and Ar Coryell-style systems.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer

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