Trent Green Doesn't Think Chiefs' Haley Has To Look Over His Shoulder At Weis, Crennel

by Joel Thorman on Jan 16, 2010 8:13 AM CST

One on the interesting dynamics that's arisen in the wake of the Kansas City Chiefs hiring of Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel is the question of whether one or both of the two new coordinators might be looking for a head coaching job - specifically, the Chiefs head coaching job.

Last week, Jason Whitlock of the Kansas City Star critiqued Todd Haley and the staff he's created because, as Whitlock writes, "Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011."

Former Chiefs QB and current NFL Network analyst, Trent Green, does not believe a situation like that will crop up.

Speaking on Between the Lines on 810 WHB, Green said speaking with some of the other NFL Network analysts, "I think it's unanimous though that Todd doesn't have to look over his shoulder for Charlie or Romeo trying to be the head coach. "

"I think the biggest question we've had over the last few days is how that dynamic is going to work. I know Todd Haley is the head coach but you have three people in Scott Pioli, Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel that all have a background together. I'm not trying to stir the pot...I just don't know where that comfort level is. How does all that mesh together?"

Well, the relationship between Pioli, Weis and Crennel is continually cited but people (i.e. Trent) forget that the relationship with Haley, Weis and Crennel goes back a decade as well. Pioli may have the more recent familiarity with these coaches in New England, but it's not like Haley hasn't used both of them as sounding boards throughout his rise from NFL assistant to head coach.

Again, the Parcells tree of coaching usually doesn't operate like that. These guys are "fiercely loyal" as Haley has said and I don't think this type of situation will arise in Kansas City.

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Just a case of Twitlock trying to start rumors

I understand that’s his job to play the devil’s advocate, to may us look at things from a different angle. And because it is a column it doesn’t have to be accurate, or full of facts. His job is to get the readers angry and to talk about whatever the subject is, and to keep people coming back to him to see what dumb thing he has come up with today.

I myself do not read his work anymore I don’t visit is web page, I don’t offer any support at all. Not because of some of the topics he has addressed but more as the way he has addressed them. I believe you can make a point and not insult people, or create false rumors, or even drag race into it. Those are the things he has done that have caused me to no longer care what he says.

is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?

This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.

by KC Fanatic on Jan 16, 2010 8:25 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

You're right

They are “fiercely loyal” and they wouldn’t be where they are today if they weren’t IMO.
Todd wouldn’t have hired them if he thought they were anything but “good people”.
These rumors are just something to give the so called sports journalists something to talk and write about.

by breeder on Jan 16, 2010 8:29 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

I don't think it's just a sports journalist rumor thing to talk about

I think it’s a legitimate concern with head coaches….it happens in the NFL with people in places of power. They’re paranoid about losing power (as they should be with multi-million dollar jobs).

Arrowhead Pride

by Joel Thorman on Jan 16, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions

by Joel

i agree with your point ! In addition once Coach Haley address{ the rumor/paranoid about losing power } Coach Haley ; should not have to address (it)whenever Whitlock feels the desire to bring it up over & over again ! I am just glad they are here now ! The fierce urgency of now ; Martin Luther King spoke of ! You are only as good as your support group ! If I was Steve_ Erkle I would ask ,"Did I do That " ! Go Chiefs ! It is about responsibilty (not blame } ! When the Chiefs Win we Win ! Kindness will overcome fear/paraniod behavoir even if someone is "dumb struck " ! Positive vibebrations can (be) contagious ! Pass the Kool-Aid Porkchop ! I am getting thirsty !

by 65tosspowertrap on Jan 16, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd

Are you high?

by Nick Britt on Jan 16, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions

This is a good problem to have...

Haley will still have his shot next year. Isn’t it nice, however, to have coaches who are qualified for that next level? I can’t wait to see how the Chiefs drama unfolds next year, and I’ll never complain about having too many great coaches… and yes, I still think Haley has the potential to become a great HC. I’ll say it again, this is a VERY good problem to have, Chiefs fans!

by TimEd on Jan 16, 2010 8:54 AM CST reply actions

Until I see differently...

I’m refusing to believe that there will be any conflicts. A few days in…and some are already predicting doom. Most of those same people would be predicting doom no matter what.

I’m not buying it.

I truly believe that our “stars” are correctly aligning…finally…and that good football is on its way back to Arrowhead.

by Scott B. on Jan 16, 2010 8:58 AM CST reply actions

by Scott B.

I thinking the samething ! Go Chiefs !

by 65tosspowertrap on Jan 16, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions

uhm

are you high?

Predictions:

1) Fans will feel just scads better from mid-to-end of the 2010 season.
2) During the 2021 season, Ryan Succop will become the Chiefs’ all-time leading scorer with 1469 points.

by Dove40 on Jan 17, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions

The Assumption

Witlock, some of the media, and other commentators are making an assumption that Haley did not hire Weis or Crennel. Instead, they assume that Pioli solely made the hirings. They have to make this assumption because Haley would not hire an immediate head coach replacement if he knew that he was on thin ice. That is where we also get this concern for everyone’s “comfort level.”

But all evidence from arrowhead is too the contrary. The reports indicate that Haley approachd Crennel last year and approached Weis when he was terminated from his college post. Now the hirings greatly benefit Pioli; he can change head coaches without changing the system. But Crennel or Weis would not have been hired if Haley disapproved.

Haley wants to win and went out and found the best people to make the Chiefs a championship team. If we wanted a coach that was more concerned with his job, then Pioli should re hire Herm Edwards or ask Carl to become a head coach.

by Morden on Jan 16, 2010 9:15 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

if Herm was so concerned about his job, whuy did he start a total rebuild project, a youth movement, his 3rd year with the team?

I’ll tell you why … because it needed to be done, regardless of wins and losses … he did it because Carl had run the team into the ground and it actually needed to be done two years earlier when Herm first got here, but Carl would have none of it at the time

Herm brought in a boatload of very young players, just they one is SUPPOSED to rebuild … he did the RIGHT things for the RIGHT reasons, and the lack of winning last year was a byproduct of the youth of the team, not Herm’s coaching ability

Morden, you slam Herm Edwards but you seem to conveniently forget about FACTS …

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 16, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions

Agreed

that’s the way I saw it come down that these are Haley’s choice, and if he really thought his job was in jeopardy I think he might have gone in a different direction.

is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?

This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.

by KC Fanatic on Jan 16, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions

Good write up.

It’s all speculation anyway but I do not think this is a legitimate concern. They are, neither one, in any position to acquire an NFL HC’ing job!

by krayfish on Jan 16, 2010 9:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions

by krayfish {After WE/Chiefs win the Super Bowl( We can discuss it again) !

by 65tosspowertrap on Jan 16, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions

yeah, kray ... who'd want Weis or Crennel as HC ... I mean, really ...

certainly not Pioli … or Clark Hunt, for that matter … I mean, really

Weis? Crennel? as HC??? nah … laughable … really

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whilock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 16, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions

Ultimately this is a non-issue.

The only way Haley would be replaced with either of these guys is if the 2010 season went horrible and there was no progress. If thats the case then it doesn’t matter who is over his shoulder because he wouldve likely been replaced anyway. If they perform well he has nothing to worry about. If they don’t then he was likely going to be unemployed anyway.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jan 16, 2010 9:39 AM CST reply actions

Win – win scenario for KC

Romeo and Charlie there will improve the offense and the defense

In theory this improves Haley’s chances for success

But if for whatever reason Haley does not grow into the HC role, 2 worthy replacements are already under contract who can replace him

Either way, KC can’t really lose with this situation

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Jan 16, 2010 9:58 AM CST reply actions

I'm trying to think of examples

of a team sucking so bad that they fire the head coach and replace him with one of the coordinators and then find long term success.

Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.

by Idahochief on Jan 16, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions

stirring the pot

Weis and Crennel are the best OC and DC out there, they should help us improve and win games. as long as that happens Haley has nothing to worry about. if we don’t improve it’s their fault as much as Haley’s.
i’m pretty sure the “you failed miserably at your job, so here’s a promotion” scenario only happens at AIG.
so as long as Haley doesn’t go batshit crazy and do something really stupid, i don’t see Weis or Crennel taking his job.

by KC explant on Jan 16, 2010 11:10 AM CST reply actions

I haven't been as quick as many to write Whitlock off as a worthless readership whore

But I think the articles about Haley’s weight and anger and then this one about Haley vis a vis Crennel and Weis were obvious whoring.

Objective reporting is legitimate journalism, Jason. Grasping at straws to create a lead isn’t.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 16, 2010 1:52 PM CST reply actions

Hunt is the pupetmaster

What Whitlock forgets is when Clark hunt got Pioli as G M they knew they wanted Haley,Weis, Crennel . Weis looked like he was fed up with N D . Crennel said they had a deal last year. so everyone knew what was going on. I would not be surprised if Crennel had some input on the draft last year. so whitlock should see that the real story is when did the pupetmaster put this all togeather.

CHIEFS fan 4 life

by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Jan 16, 2010 2:46 PM CST reply actions