CB prospects (pre workouts)

by kcchiefstd on Jan 15, 2010 3:43 PM CST

This is a position that we have alot of young players at on the roster. The ? is B. Carr a starting CB or is he best suited as a nickle. Also is Washington going to step up and be the nickle back we need or is he a Dime backer at best. So if we draft a CB I say we go for the sure starter possible lock down type guy. That would mean either our 1st pick or one the the 2nd rd picks.

Here are the prospects.

1. Patrick Robinson, 5'11'' 194, Florida St (4.42) - Will be one of the first 3 CBs off teh board. Extremely fast with Excellent ball skills. (1st rd)

2. Joe Haden, 5'11'' 190, Florida (JR) - One of the first 2 CBs off the board. Excellent athlete with very good ball skills. (1st rd)

3. Ras-I Dowling, 6'2'' 200, Virginia (JR) - Has the size and ability to be a shut down corner in the NFL. (1st rd)

4. Syd'Quan Thompson, 5'9'' 191, Cal (4.49) - Very similar to Flowers. Would rather a bigger CB if we go for one early. (1st - 2nd rd)

5. * Donavan Warren, 6'0'' 185, Mich (JR) - Warren with pick 2a is a very good option as he has real potential to be a lock down corner. (1st - 2nd rd)

6. Devin McCourty, 5'11'' 190, Rutgers (4.47) - Solid CB and ST player. Brother was a 6th rd pick of the Tennesee Titans last year. Known for hi physical play.

7.** Perish Cox, 6'0" 198, Okla St (4.44) - One of my favorite college CBs. I see this prospect as a very good NFL CB with potential Shut Down ability. (2nd rd)

8. Prince Amukamara, 6'1'' 200, Neb (JR) - Good size and ability. A solid CB. (1st - 3rd rd)

9. ** Jerome Murphy, 6'1'' 185, South Florida (4.48) - A player I like to watch play the game. Excellent coverage ability and a good return man. (2nd - 3rd rd)

10. Dominique Franks, 6'0'' 192, Okla (JR) - Stoops wanted him to return for another season and I agree it would of been a better move. He could of used it. (2nd - 3rd rd)

11.* Brandon Ghee, 6'0'' 190, Wake Forest (4.45) - I can see Ghee being a Shut Down corner. A very good all around football player. (2nd - 3rd rd)

12. Trevard Lindley, 5'11'' 180, Kentucky (4.53) - Not one of my favorite prospects but a player with good ball skills. (2nd - 3rd d)

13. ** Kyle Wilson, 5'10'' 186, Boise St (4.42) - If we are looking for a nickle CB and PR/KR this is the player I draft. Excellent coverage ability and a very good KR/PR with Excellent speed. (3rd rd)

14. Javier Arenas, 5'9'' 198, Ala (4.57) - Sililar to Kyle Wilson just not as fast. (3rd rd)

15. Alterran Verner, 5'10'' 182, UCLA (4.52) - Solid coverage skill not one of my favorite prospects. (3rd - 4th rd)

16. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, 6'1'' 205, Indiana (PA), (4.48) - Don't know a whole lot about this prospect but he apears to have the Size, Speed and NAME to be a Star. (3rd - 4th rd)

17. * Myron Lewis, 6'2'' 205, Vandy (4.52) - A solid all around player who I really like a very good 3rd rd option. (3rd - 4th rd)

18. Devin Ross, 5'10'' 176, Ariz (4.43) - Good speed and excellent ball skills. (4th - 5th rd)

19.* Stephen Virgil, 5'11'' 190, VT (4.49) - I feel this player would of went higher in last years draft. could be a steal in the later rounds (4th - 5th rd)

20. Brian Jackson, 6'1'' 200, Okla (4.54) - Only ? I have about this prospect is can he run with NFL WRs deep. Physical player. (4th rd)

21. Jamar Wall, 5'10'' 203, T Tech (4.52) - Big 12 Second Team (coaches) Good tackler and solid corner one of the best ever at Texas Tech. (4th rd)

22.* Sherrick McManis, 5'11'' 190, NW (4.48) - This is a good player that will probably be around in the 5th rd. Great Value. (5th rd)

23. * Chris Hawkins, 6'0'' 185, LSU (4.49) - I like this player and think he has very good potential at the next level. (6th rd)

24. * AJ Wallace, 6'0'' 195, Penn St (4.43) - This is a player with very good ability could be one of the true steals of the draft. (6th - 7th rd)

25. Walter Thurmond, 5'11'' 182, Oregon (4.53) - Itall depends on wether he is able to work out for scouts. Is a player I was very high on before he got injured. (5th - 6th rd)

26. Patrick Stoudamire, 5'11'' 198, West Illinois (4.49) - Good Athlete and Ball Hawk, From a smaller school so he could easily fall to the 6th rd. (6th rd)

27. Chris Cook, 6'2'' 210, Virginia (4.54) - Excellent size, but cn he run with NFL WRs. (5th - 6th rd)

28. David Pender, 6'1'' 180, Purdue (4.49) - Secon Team Big Ten, Somehting about Purdue players I like and this looks like another good one. (7th rd)

29. * AJ Jefferson, 6'0'' 190, Fresno St (4.45) - Good quality player someone will get pretty cheap. (7th - FA)

30. Rafael Priest, 5'10'' 182, TCU (4.48) - First Team Mountain West. A very good prospect as I feel the Mountain West was possibly the class of college football in 2009. (7th rd)

31.* Walter McFadden, 5'10'' 176, Aub (4.40) - An excellent athlete who has 3rd rd talent. (7th - FA)

32. Brandon Brinkley, 5'11'' 180, Houston (4.49) - A solid prospect (7th - FA)

Those are the CB prospects for the 2010 draft Players I would like the Chiefs to look at after the Jump in what I feel is a DEEP draft at CB.

1. *Donavan Warren. With pick 2a could be a 1st rd pick but has great ability an option for pick (2a.)

2. **Perish Cox. This player could be a real stud, (2a - 2b)

3. **Jerome Murphy. I love watching this player. (2b)

4. *Brandon Ghee, Shut Down Corner prospect. (2b - 3)

5.** Kyle Wilson, Nickle back and KR/PR (3rd rd)

6.* Myron Lewis. Physical all around player. (3rd - 4th ed)

7.* Stephen Virgil. Nickle back and KR/PR. (4th - 5th rd)

8. * Sherrick McManis. A solid CB. (5th rd)

9. Chris Hawkins. Potential playmaker and solid CB. (6th rd)

10. AJ Wallace, Excellent speed and good size. (6th - 7th rd)

11. Walter McFadden, Excellent athlete very good potential. (7th - FA)

Hope this shows you the depth of the CB class this year and gives you a better idea of who you would want in a Chief uniformnext year.

Poll

Do we need to draft a CB in this years draft?

Yes (High Priority) (1st - 2nd rd)

2 votes

Yes ( minimal possible starter nickle atleast) (3rd - 4th rd)

21 votes

Yes (just for competition) (5th or later)

13 votes

No we have the players we need.

9 votes

45 votes | Poll has closed

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you can never have too many good DBs

kinda like OL… you have to draft some EVERY year

I think KC needs another CB, maybe one that’s a little bigger… OR one that can return kicks… that’d be ideal

Wilson, Murphy or Arenas get my vote…but, admittedly, I haven’t seen a lot of these guys play

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by stagdsp on Jan 15, 2010 3:51 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Out of curiousity

why is Haden ranked 2nd in your view? I know Robinson is considered 1st among SRs and he’s a very good prospect. However, in my view HAden is going to be a star. He’s a more complete player and has better ball skills.

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by KCSatchmo on Jan 15, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions

no idea how that wound up being a reply to stag

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by KCSatchmo on Jan 15, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions

Well Robinson passed Haden on my list when he ran Noel Devine down from behind.

That did it, but both players are very good CB prospects.

by kcchiefstd on Jan 15, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions

I've seen Haden as a top 5 picks in some mocks...

he could go pretty early, and I think there’s a remote chance KC could take him with their first pick.

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by stagdsp on Jan 15, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions

Should be a 25% chance

Okung, Berry, McClain, Haden
Depends on what Pioli and Haley think is the biggest need.
Mills would say 20 %
add in a wildcard guy we have no idea was targeted

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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions

I'd prefer to avoid Haden in the top five

In fact, I’d prefer to avoid all cornerbacks in the top five, unless one considers the possibility of moving Berry to CB (which he could do). I just don’t think Haden’s a Woodson- or Bailey-type talent at corner.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 15, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions

That's how I see it, too, boh.

And even Berry is compared more to Reed than to Woodson, who was an all-everything pheenom.

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by hmills110 on Jan 16, 2010 2:41 AM CST up reply actions

We need some tall corners

Since San Diego likes to throw the “jump ball” to Vincent Jackson. I say whoever the best one of these players is that’s over 6’0" and available, we take with the 3rd or 4th round pick.

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by cpa913 on Jan 15, 2010 4:16 PM CST reply actions

I agree, we need more size in the secondary

I believe our tallest corners, Travis Daniels and Donald Washington, are only 6’1 and they don’t even see much playing time.

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by Aperture on Jan 15, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions

Washington

has a 45 inch vertical jump. He’s got a lot of upside.

by Kane on Jan 15, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions

I had been thinking about that too

Some smaller corners can still play big WRs, but it’s not good to push one’s luck. Having two starters at 5’9" and the nickel at 6’1" isn’t great.

6’0" or 6’1" is enough. I wouldn’t get preoccupied with looking for 6’2" corners; there are very few of them who are any good.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 15, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions

Agree again, boh.

KC’s done its share of trying to convert Ss into big corners, and fallen short, with “measurables” picks like Bartee and Wesley. I’d rather have some 2nd- or 3rd-round CBs with bona fide speed and ball skills. But I’m all in favor of burning a 1st-rounder on a dominant cover guy with true NFL size, and Berry looks like a good prospect for that. Somebody who can come up and get his hands on a Vincent Jackson, redirect his routes and hang with him down the field.

by hmills110 on Jan 16, 2010 2:47 AM CST up reply actions

Well, remember that Berry's not actually that big

He’s 5’11", most likely.

But otherwise, agreed.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 16, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions

Ras-I Dowling, 6'2'' 200, Virginia (JR)

is staying in school

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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2010 4:34 PM CST reply actions

did you intentionally leave off jr CB

Amari Spivey, 6’0" 190 lb Jr, Iowa?

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 15, 2010 5:24 PM CST reply actions

Nope thought he was staying in school and thought Dowling was comming out.

Spivey is a good player 2nd rd prospect in my eyes might fall to the 3rd that is why i figured he was staying in school.

by kcchiefstd on Jan 15, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions

nope.

he got mad or bored because other team’s offenses avoided throwing in his direction….

"This year, I didn’t really get a lot of action. And I know next year is going to be the same thing," said Spievey, an all-Big Ten Conference performer. "Even though my team was winning, I kind of felt like I wasn’t a part of it. I felt like teams didn’t want to go at me as much, so I don’t know if I want to go through another year of that."

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 15, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100111/SPORTS020502/100111025/1093/SPORTS0205/Iowa-football-Spievey-will-pass-up-senior-year-enter-NFL-draft

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 15, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions

sorry, * Spievey

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 15, 2010 5:49 PM CST reply actions

Kyle Wilson

is going to be drafted at the top of the 2nd. I would seriously consider taking him.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Jan 15, 2010 6:43 PM CST reply actions

Trevard Lindley

12th?

Dude is pretty good….if he is 12th CB taken he will be a major steal!

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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 15, 2010 7:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions

He is ranked

7th best CB by CBS….2nd-3rd round.

He is ranked 4th in SEC history in pass breakups….

I would love to have him….only if available.

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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 15, 2010 7:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

I'd put Arenas a lot higher

And Dowling lower.

Arenas has amazing ball instincts, good blitzing ability, and good coverage skills. I guess he’s not the fastest, but he’s not so slow that his speed should be a significant concern. He’s probably as fast as Flowers, I’d guess.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 15, 2010 8:33 PM CST reply actions

I agree with burntorangehorn about Arenas

He reminds me a lot of Flowers in the sense that they’re smaller than you prefer, lack the timed speed that you prefer, yet they always seem to be in good position to make plays and avoid giving up the big play. If he’s available when we pick in the middle of round 2, then I think he’d be a steal regardless if we already have Carr and a high potential player in Donald Washington.

by kc_radrh8r on Jan 15, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions

Kareem Jackson declared

5’11 192 Alabama’s top corner

by chrisclark_dfw on Jan 16, 2010 7:47 AM CST reply actions

I voted "We have the players we need"

but after reading the first comment in the thread by Stagdsp, “you can never have too many good DBs” … I’m wrong on that vote.

I’m not sold on Carr being the guy to line up opposite Flowers, but I think there are too many holes to spend a first or second round pick this year for that position.

As for the nickel corner, Arenas and Wilson both look like instant contributors, but I still like Leggett (’08 Mack Lee Hill Award winner…best Chiefs rookie) and Washington is full of potential himself.

I’d prefer a fourth (Asante Samuel was a 4th) or later spent on a CB this year. The two corners I like that could be available in the 4th or 5th are Lewis and Thurmond. Lewis would give us a tall CB that is excellent at blitzing off the edge (5 sacks in ’08) and has good ball skills also (10 career INTs – 9 in the last 2 seasons). Walter Thurmond, III from Oregon would be a great 5th round pick. He was thought by some scouts to be the best secondary player at Oregon last season and Jarius Byrd was on that team.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=78354&draftyear=2010&genpos=CB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=68035&draftyear=2010&genpos=CB

The other guy that is somewhat interesting to me is Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (I bet the commish is already practicing that one). Too bad he won’t be able to participate in the East West Shrine game due to injury or Romeo would have had an up close look at him.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=86130&draftyear=2010&genpos=CB

by chrisclark_dfw on Jan 16, 2010 8:37 AM CST reply actions