3/4 NT prospects (pre workouts)
by kcchiefstd on Jan 14, 2010 1:10 PM CST
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Print3/4 NT is a specialist position and not all DT make good candidates. This is MY list of potential 3/4 NTs. Some of these players may fall off and a few may be added after wourkouts. It all depends on how they do in upcomming strength and explosion tests. As those are the most important thing regarding the man in the middle. Players I am interested in will get * and really interested will get ** stars.
1. Ndamukung Suh, 6'4'' 302, Neb (5.02) DT/NT - Although he apears better suited for the 4/3 or 3/4 DE position. He could be a solid to great NT with the addition of a few pounds of muscle. The #1 DT prospect on the board probably gone before we pick. (early 1st)
2. Gerald McCoy, 6'4'' 298, Okl (JR) DT/NT - Same assesment as Suh except he should be there when we pick. (1st)
3. Brian Price, 6'2'' 300, UCLA (JR) DT/NT - This is a player I am interested to see how his workouts go. A bit small for the position. (1st - 2nd)
4. Terrance Cody, 6'4'' 365, Ala (5.72) NT - Alot of ?s about Mount Cody and his work ethic. You can not deny he is huge and fits the mold of a 3/4 NT. If he falls to the 2nd rd a real possible selection. (1st - 2nd)
5. Dan Williams, 6'2'' 327, Tenn (5.23) NT/DT - SEC Second Team, hs the size, but I worry that Williams will be the major bust of the year. He did not stand out to me in any of the Tenn games I watched this year. (1st - 2nd)
6. ** Jared Odrick, 6'5'' 306, Penn St (5.05) DT/NT - Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year. This is a player I REALLY like, could use a few more pounds. This is my #1 option in this years draft, I expect him to grade out very well. (1st - 2nd)
7.* D'Anthony Smith, 6'2'' 300, Louis Tech (4.95) DT/NT - WAC First Team (coaches), One of my Favorite DT to watch. A little undersized, but will be interesting to see how he grades out in workouts. (3rd - 4th rd)
8. * Vince Oghabaase, 6'6'' 305, Duke (5.06) DT/NT - Good upside, but ? about consistancy. Banged up all year missing 4 games resulting in drop down the board. Has the size and potential to be a great player. Interesting to see how he grades out. (3rd - 4th rd)
9. Mike Neal, 6'3'' 302, Purdue (4.96) DT/NT - This is a player who would need to gain weight, but typical of Purdue players is a hard worker with drive. Someone I am waiting for strength drills to get a true evaluation of. (4th rd)
10. ** Torrell Troup, 6'3'' 314, UCF (5.28) NT/DT - A hard worker who has made great strides throughout his college carear. Was 345 lbs as a Freshman. This is a player I feel would take a little time to develop, but will have a very good NFL carear at NT. (4th - 5th rd)
11. ** Cam Thomas, 6'3'' 238, NC (5.18) NT/DT - Massive DT, Has the tools to be a solid NT in the NFL. Workouts could easily jump this player up the boards. A player I like but still scared of NC DTs after Ryan Sims. (6th - 7th rd)
12. Jeff Owens, 6'3'' 306, Georgia (4.98) DT/NT - Tore his ACL in 2008, but has been solid in 2009 not missing a single game or practice, and apears healthy. With good #s in lower body strength excersizes could show to be a solid option. (7th rd)
13. Jay Ross, 6'3'' 314, East Car (5.09) NT/DT - 2 time conferance USA Honerable mention, Has been very good throughout his carear and has never missed a game due to injury. A tough player who plays with his motor maxed out. (7th - FA)
14.* Ekom Udofia, 6'2'' 320, Stanford (5.18) NT - A true NT who has been solid throughout his carear. Played fo Stanford who over the last 4 years has become one of my favorite programs as they work as a TEAM, and always show good effort. A very good prospect, who could come late in the draft. (7th - FA)
15. Kade Weston, 6'5'' 325, Georgia (5.28) NT/DT - Freshman All American in 2006. Has been solid throughout his carear. A good option at this point to bring in Post Draft for a workout. (URFA)
16. Travis Ivey, 6'4'' 325, Maryland (5.23) NT/DT - Foot injury in 2008, Will see how he grades out in drills. A prospect for the 3/4 NT position. (URFA)
The players I want the Chiefs to take long looks at after the jump.
1. Jared Odrick, Although he could use a few pounds is known for his ability to handle double teams and stop the run. Also a good plyer at getting to the QB on passing plays a very good all around DT and a very good option for 3/4 NT. (1st - 2nd rd) If he falls to the 2nd rd almost a must grab prospect.
2. Torrell Troup, I think this player fits the mold of a Pioli and Haley player I also expect this player to have a good NFL carear at NT a great option. (4th - 5th rd)
3. Cam Thomas, Even though he comes from NC I see him as a very good NT prospect. (5th - 7th)
4. Ekom Udofia, He has been playing NT in college and very well. A great prospect who even if we fill the position would add good depth. (7th - URFA)
Not many targets I really like, but I hope we would take one of these four players over a chance the McCoy or one of the first rd selections can make it as a NT. These four players can.
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I really want Jared Odrick as a Chief.
If he goes first rd then I get Troup or Thomas later. If we get a NT through FA then I still draft Troup or Thomas.
I like McClain or Berry with the #1
And Cody or Williams with the #2 (if they are available)
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
yeah thats a dream scenario if you add spikes to cody/williams as potential 2nd round picks
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
Is Cam Thomas 238 or 338?
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
I would agree with that. I think he is almost to tall to play NT.
Very good player though. A poor mans Suh.
Anyone have an opinion on Boo Robinson?
I have seen his weight listed from 295 to 325 on various websites. Seems to be falling from preseason projections, but like his weight, some sites list him as a 1-gap penetrator and others as 2-gap…. I haven’t seen Wake play this year…just curious
anyone named Boo is perfect as a dominant NT
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
Saw earlier statements that he was over 300
But I have sense seen him listed as small as 285 but he is a player I really like just did not add him is one of the players that I need to see what he does in workouts. Watching him play I think he can do it. As of now I put him as 4/3 DT and 3/4 DE.
There are differing opinions on whether some of these guys can play NT
I tend to think guys like McCoy and Suh, who could go very early, could do so, but putting them at NT might reduce the return on investment (top-five pick).
I really like Troup. I think he’s a riser. Dan Williams and Terrence Cody are probably my top two no-doubt-about-it NTs.
I honestly haven’t checked whether Phil Taylor, the big hoss NT who transferred to Baylor from Penn State, in entering this draft. He’d be a good candidate to hold up the interior. Reminds me of Big Pat.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 14, 2010 2:19 PM CST reply actions
With Romeo coaching them up...
I think any of these guys could be successful. the problem is we need someone who can be our starter from day one and I don’t think any of them will be ready for that. That’s why we need a guy from FA as well as a draft pick to get as insurance.
I can see it now...
We sign Hampton or Pickett for 2-3 yrs and draft Troup. I can hear the crowd yelling “trooouuup!” Only way we draft NT is if we land Cody in the 2nd round or Troup in the 4th-5th. I’d be happy trading two of our 5th round picks to move up and grab Troup.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
exactly my preference
You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan
This is the only position I want filled by a top FA
But I don’t think it will happen for a lot of reasons and they are out of Scott’s controlWe are looking at another Jackson situation. A rookie strugging.
gordymule
I like the tall NTs to block throws et al,
but they are usually in the 300 range and have to get to 340 or so to have enough ASS to take on double teams and offset their high center of gravity.
Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain
I am interested in Cam Thomas...
Could land him late and still be a monster NT that can gobble up Centers and Guards for lunch….
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
+ 1000 He is someone I would love to draft in the fifth nto to get this started on this post
BUT my final mock until after workouts posted it on the mock draft post with details.
1 Anthony Davis OT (LT or RT next year)
2. J.D Walton OC we need our Center
2b. D. Thomas WR
3. Moeaki TE
4. Dexter Davis OLB
5a Terrell Troup NT If avail solid player will get better. Potential as Solid player
5b Perry Riley ILB
5c Cam Thomas NT Steal of the draft. Potential to be Dominant.
Its more about the players available and our needs as a team
Dexter Davis and Perry Riley are as good in my mind as the LBs that will go in the earlier rds and two of my favorite players in this years draft. LB is a position that if you look around the league alot of REALLY good LBs come out of later rds.
At NT Troup and Thomas are both really good prospects and next to Cody/Williams the best choice at the position and both have potential to be really good starters in the NFL.
Those are ALL players i could see STARTING for the Chiefs in 2010 no matter what rd they get drafted. Mak my words wether they come to KC or not ALL of those players will end up STARTERS in the NFL.
I am also trying to keep in mind this is no longer the Carl Peterson Chiefs.
Pioli and Haley care alot more about consistancy than flash. These players have all shown that consistant good performances throughout their carears. NOT YO YO type players. They will give you all out effort all the time.
I agree but McClain has moved into the #2 spot
On my Big Board not sure he is there at pick #5 for us. That is where I am at with that. I see Berry definatly on the board but do not want him. Going BPA I have Okung or Davis comming to us unless we go OLB with Graham or Sapp.
True
But a big part of the reason NE is known for that is now in KC. :)
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
You saying that Pioli was the Bullwark in NE?
I have no problem with Clark Hunt wanting to run the Chiefs as a Successfull business.
Sports does require attempts to win Championships though. something the Royals Mgmt forgot about awhile back
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 14, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
No,
I was just pointing out that part of the front office that may or may not be responsible for badassz’s statement now works in our front office.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
I think Troup is on the team Crennel is coaching in the Shrine game
If Crennel likes him Chiefs draft him
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
+1
Yeah, he is on Coach Crennel’s east squad, and so is Schofield (possible 34 OLB).
http://www.shrinegame.com/east-roster.shtm
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/EastWest-Shrine-preview-Part-I.html
by chrisclark_dfw on Jan 14, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
He could be a solid to great NT with the addition of a few pounds of muscle?
Why does everyone think Suh needs to add weight? Granted he’s only 305 lbs, but he is much stronger at just 305 than most guys who are 340+. Do you realize Suh bench presses nearly 500 lbs? That’s nearly 200 more than his weight. Now look at Terrence Cody…weighs 370ish and benches 400, only a 30 lb difference.
Weight doesnt always equate to strength.
It's a matter of style of play and football skills
Playing nose tackle is a totally different animal than playing 3-tech in a 4-3, especially the way Suh plays it. To me, it would be a waste of his dominance in pass rushing and overall insane level of athleticism.
Could he play nose tackle and be great at it? Probably, but does he want to totally alter his playing style to do so? That’s the real question.
It’s the same reason Glenn Dorsey doesn’t play nose tackle for us. It’s just not the most effective and strategic way to utilize his talents and strengths.
Ah we won't even sniff Suh at 5
if we do get a chance to draft him Pioli will RUN to the podium himself. Fit or not.
Suh would put a lot of NE Chiefs fans/Big-12 fans right back in their assigned seats in 2010.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 14, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Re: Cody's work ethic
Where are all these questions about Terrance Cody’s work ethic being asked? Or is that something we’re assuming just because he’s fat?
As far as I know, he’s done nothing but work hard since he got to Alabama. He probably weighed WELL over 400 lbs when he first got there and was still immediately the best nose tackle on campus, with quickness, agility, and strength. It is true that he still needs to lose more weight, but I think he has proven his dedication to doing that. It is often referenced how he doesn’t even play 3rd Down as an indication of his limitations, but if you actually watch tape on Alabama, you realize that they usually play with 4 down linemen on 3rd Down, with two more traditional 4-3 type 2- or 3-tech DTs. Cody is certainly not in the same mold as Suh or Glenn Dorsey, but for a man that is about two biscuits short of 400 lbs, he is an incredible athlete. The man blocked two field goals in one game.
Also, I don’t have the numbers, but looking at a bench press number for a football player, even a lineman, isn’t going to tell you very much. Things like clean and jerk, high pull snatch, dead lift, and back squat numbers would tell you more. But even those don’t tell the whole story, as far as actual on-field strength.
Question
I thought Saban was telling Cody he needed him at 350 or less and would get more playing time with less wight or something like that. I saw He weighed in for the Senior Bowl at 370 lbs.
That right there would throw red flags all over if I was a GM.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
I tried to get this discussion going yesterday
Rex Ryan’s 3-4 has all kind of wrinkles. I saw DE’s playing sporadically in 0 and 1-tech.
The largest DT on the Jets is 320 or so and Rex only has 2 DT on the roster according to the Jets website with 4 or so DE’s. I guess I surmised that Rex prefers fresh 300 lbs DL and is not really all that worried about where they line up in his scheme. Wonder if Crennel will work the same angle on personnal. Physically fit Big men en Mass.
We got Dorsey, Edwards, Jackson, Magee and some lesser fillins now. Maybe Pioli’s big surprise is he fills the line with jet another DE and a DT of 4-3 dimensions.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
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