Whitlock: Weis, Crennel Could be a Threat to Chiefs Coach Haley
by Joel Thorman on Jan 14, 2010 7:04 AM CST
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PrintI've talked before about some concerns with the Kansas City Chiefs two new coordinators, Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel. One of the big ones is that both of these guys have been head coaches before and could be looking to become one again.
Hypothetically, late in the 2010 season, if Todd Haley is having a bad year with the Chiefs, Jason Whitlock of the Kansas City Star writes one of these two coordinators could make a play to become the head coach of the Chiefs.
"Good coaches are paranoid," Whitlock writes. "They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down."
I think this is true in the case of many coaches across the league and you often see guys that are hired because they're not a threat to the current management team. I can't tell you whether it's true of Haley, but personally I'm leaning toward no.
The Parcells tree is loosely characterized by the loyalty they've shown each other. Look at Parcells in Miami right now. He's looking at possibly bringing back Al Groh, who he first worked with in 1978 and last worked with in 2000. These guys usually don't screw each other over (Eric Mangini would say otherwise, though).
"Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach," Whitlock writes. "Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting."
Again, I personally don't think that's the case but Whitlock does make some good points here and this is something to keep an eye on.
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I don't think that's the case here either. There is no way.
Weis and Crennel have both bombed at HC. BOMBED! Horribly. No team would take a chance on them again. Weis couldn’t even hack it on the collegiate level, let alone NFL level. And Crennel’s resume’ as HC speaks for itself.
These two guys can save Haley’s job IMO. They can help him along in his new position. They can be his ears and eyes. There’s nothing negative about any of this. Although Jason Dreadlock will always find the negative in a lottery winning.
Exactly
He’s just creating drama where none exists (currently).
I realize that this is his job, but this added to the New England Chiefs crap is really starting to get under my skin. I desperately want us either back under the radar or for the season to start so we can shut them all up.
You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?
by Mully on Jan 14, 2010 7:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So did Bill Belichick
in his first HC job. And yet, the NY Jets gave him the job and he quit days latter to take the job in NE. I think the best point to be made is the loyalty point in that Haley is a Parcells guy and both of these guys have worked for the Tuna. I don’t see them playing the political role like that.
by bonesjackson on Jan 14, 2010 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
True!
Weis and Crennel have both bombed at HC. BOMBED
That’s all part of the plan. The process. Romeo did bomb. At the Browns. Who was the last coach to bomb with the browns then go on to work with Pioli? How did that work out?
I smell conspiracy. Pendergast was clearly a one year spot holder for Crennel to get here, and Haley a 2 year so we can get our very own failed Browns coach in place.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Jan 14, 2010 8:07 AM CST up reply actions
+1 for the "failed Browns coach" analogy
Conversation b/t Special baseball operations consultant Zapp Brannigan and GM Dayton Moore: "...but paper covers rock and rock crushes scissors...we have a conundrum. Get me some paper, a rock, and some scissors."
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 14, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Also
both of their experiences left them with a bad taste in their mouths, They had the job and I’m thinking that they will never want it again.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
First, it's wishful thinking on Whitlock's part.
He has had a woody since day one on the possiblity of Haley getting canned.
Second, Haley could become paranoid.
He has already stated a fear of losing drives his work schedule.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Jan 14, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Wow. Whitlock should get a real job.
If he did, he would know some of the dynamics of actually being in a structured organization in which there are clearly defined boundaries. I am the boss where I work, and I can tell you this…..“You have to be a good soldier in order to be a good general.” In other words, you have to know when to shut up, take orders, and do your job rather than being an insurrectionist. Weis, and Crennel know that. Whitlock is a whiny childish man/boy who (evidently) lacks any real world experience. Otherwise he would not write such insipid columns.
by G.L. on Jan 14, 2010 7:18 AM CST reply actions 7 recs
whitlock does his job well
actually $hitlock has a job and he is doing it quite well considering he has 10pages of comments on the star and an ever growing list of comments here… in the words of someone i cant remember… dont hate the player, hate the game…
draft eric berry and darryll stuckey.... and our defense problems are next to solved...
great point
furthermore, you surround yourself with great mind and great workers. You don’t worry about having a great employee that will take your job and fear them, you go find that great employee thats capable of more and empower them. Why? Because they make you successful. Because their success will translate to yours.
by jakethesnake27 on Jan 14, 2010 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You make good points
But you can’t ignore that things like this have happened before (see Mike Martz).
by Joel Thorman on Jan 14, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions
Was Martz part of the Parcells tree?
Is there anything anywhere that says either of these guys would do what Whitlock and you suggest? Stirring things just to stir them is what I expect of whitlock….
If you need a Parcells tree man to back it up
Like I said, I personally disagree with it but it is a good point by Whitlock.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 14, 2010 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
good point as well
I feel like Whitlock will do anything to get his 3XL Sherman Klump ass in the way of the bright light trying to shine over this organization. Seems to me every gosh darn time he sees a positive or something positive happens for this team he tries to conjure up a negative out of it.
Paint ya shirt red like a Kansas City Chief
Agreed
You find people who can do their job well, who can do it independently, and who take the initiative. Just look at the successful coaching trees in the league; Parcells, Marty, Bill Walsh. Good coaches hire other good coaches. Sure, it’s natural to want to get better jobs as you become better, but you see that happening at other organizations. Other ones. You don’t gun for your boss’s job, you gun for the equivalent and keep the ties and the contacts you make at your current place of employment.
Both of these guys went up the food chain and bombed horribly. If, and here’s the big IF, they want to get back into the HC role after the failure’s that were their last positions, they aren’t going to do it this year and they aren’t going to do it here in KC.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Whitlock is a moron
This is a reach as is most of his work. These guys are all friends and are all professionals and are all going to be adequately payed to do their job. As for the Haley being a golfer thing… Let’s get over that. The guy has been around championship calibur football since he was in the womb. You don’t need to be an ex-player in order to be a coach in the NFL. Get over yourself Whitlock.
by xhornetsx on Jan 14, 2010 7:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well
These guys are all friends and are all professionals and are all going to be adequately payed to do their job.
Coulda said the same thing about Eric Mangini and Belichick and Mangini didn’t have a problem pulling the trigger on SpyGate. When it comes to money and winning, don’t doubt what someone would do. I think Whitlock brings up good food for thought. Like I said, I personally disagree with it but it’s not like it’s outlandish.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 14, 2010 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
weis never played football,
so he’s DEFINITELY going to be gunning for Haley’s job.
pretty sure he doesn’t golf though. hm.
standard whitlock rehabbed molehill, either way. don’t know why people bother to comment anymore.
This article is beneath this site
I’m a little surprised to see it featured. Feeding the one ego-beast in town. And, by the looks of things, the ego is obese and on its way to cardiac arrest.
by ChiefConcern on Jan 14, 2010 7:25 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
+1
Quit publicizing this piece of trash article. Is it safe to say now I want to kneecap Whitlock? Or will I get warned again for saying I wanted to punch him in the face or whatever?
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You know this????
Personally?? Yuck!!!!!!! WTF have you been up to?
by bonesjackson on Jan 14, 2010 7:29 AM CST up reply actions
If by didn't know what to do with your life means
That doing Whitlock was an option……..I don’t know if there is still hope for you!
by bonesjackson on Jan 14, 2010 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
I had a problem ok? I ate donuts too much. I couldn't stop. It was taking control of my life.
He promised me just one Jelly Roll and I could leave. NOTHING MORE!! He lied to me. {{shudders}} He lied to me!!
I actually thought it would be a really big point
other than the loyalty these guys show each other. All 4 of them got their start under Parcells and Pioli ended up……well we aint goin to make no sex jokes about the Tuna’s baby girl today…..Almost any other situation in coaching and Jason hit this on the head.
Crennel and Weis
I think they will do fine with Haley and Pioli…Whitlock likes to stir up controversy…I think Don Fortune needs to come out of retiretment and counter Jason’s opinions….
by wichita danman 2010 Edition on Jan 14, 2010 7:30 AM CST reply actions
Hey I agree on the Whitlock being beneath this site comment.
Hi Bones..good morning…guess you’ll be skipping the donut’s this morning huh? LOL
Personally though, if Whitlock were a member of AP, he would get flagged for some of his insulting, often borderline racist comments. I don’t think we should feed his flame by putting his name on this site. I’d prefer to NEVER see his name on this site.
He bashes our beloved Chiefs constantly. And if he did that on here, then in the words of Satchmo I’d tell him “Don’t let the door hit you in the ass, and don’t come back”! Ungrateful traitor. Nobody bashes my Chiefs like he does and get’s my support.
Hey Whitlock, go write for the Raiders, they love that kind of negativity over there.
by krayfish on Jan 14, 2010 7:32 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Kray, this is a great point.
The writing on this site by (i’m assuming) non-professional writers exceeds anything Jason Whitlock does in terms of insight, analysis and basing one’s conclusion on actual reality. Some of the people who regularly post here may be Kool Aid drinkers, but they’re smart, informed Kool Aid drinkers.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Good morning to you
It is actually evening to me….Missed out on the donuts this morning, still jet lagged.
by bonesjackson on Jan 14, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Twitlock's job is to stir up controversy
He does that well. Personally a loathe him and most of the time find his comments vapid ie, empty. He might have a point here, IF this wasn’t Pioli’s house. I mean come one, does anyone really see Pioli hiring people that would stir up that pot? He runs a tight ship, he and Haley both interviewed these guys, as Weis said, to make sure, “it was the right fit.” I just don’t buy that Pioli and Haley would let anything into their house that was going to stir things up. No sir, that’s against their mo. I mean we got rid of our cancer in the locker room he who shall not be named. We aren’t going to add more drama to the coaching staff.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 14, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Whitlock? Good Points???
The man is an embarrassment—and represents much of what is wrong about postmodern sportswriting.
He has NO status at either Arrowhead or Kaufman, CAN’T get an interview because the Pioli regime, like the Peterson regime, locked him out, and writes each column from PURE speculation. My friends at the Star say he’s universally disliked, lazy, never does his homework, and is frequently late for deadlines.
Why doe he stay? Why, he’s controversial. I agree with ChiefConcern that this article is beneath this site. Hogwash—all this nonsense about the OC and DC as threats to Haley. Silly. The fat jokes. IMO, are beneath us folks, so I implore everyone to refrain, but the sentiment is dead on about Whitlock. For goodness’ sake, stop referring to him in articles.
by RollaChief on Jan 14, 2010 7:35 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yes there are good points....
ad hominem attacks do nothing but that is a lot of what commentators on this site are about, attacking people and not ideas..
by bonesjackson on Jan 14, 2010 7:38 AM CST up reply actions
exactly and that's what made this country great!!
You see, commenting is not about intelligent discussion. It’s about rec’s. It’s about lists. It’s about donuts. Why if we started caring, what would become of us? I like where your going with this….attacking people, not ideas…hmmm that just might work.
LOL
I don’t think I ever got a rec, so I wouldnt know.
by bonesjackson on Jan 14, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
With People like Twitlock
They wonder why newspapers are going out of business, behind the times, and full of a lot of stuff that appeals to just a few.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
Chalk it up
Another horrible article by a guy with NFL coaching experience.
Off-Season Wish List:
Romeo Crennel - Completed
Charlie Weis - Completed
Resign DJ - pending
Draft Eric Berry - pending
Draft Golden Tate - pending
Draft Toby Gerhart - pending
Draft Jermaine Gresham - pending
Draft Jammie Kirlew - pending
Sign Marcus McNeill - pending
Sign Vince Wilfork - pending
Trade for Boldin - pending
Sign DeMeco Ryans - pending
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Off-Season Wish List:
Romeo Crennel - Completed
Charlie Weis - Completed
Resign DJ - pending
Draft Eric Berry - pending
Draft Golden Tate - pending
Draft Toby Gerhart - pending
Draft Jermaine Gresham - pending
Draft Jammie Kirlew - pending
Sign Marcus McNeill - pending
Sign Vince Wilfork - pending
Trade for Boldin - pending
Sign DeMeco Ryans - pending
With no coaching experience at all.
As a former coach I can pretty much safely say that good coaches are not paranoid. They have no reason to be because, generally speaking, people who are good at their jobs don’t need to fear losing them. If I were still coaching I would want the best possible coaches on my staff. That’s how you build the best possible program. Whitlock is out to lunch most of the time (no fat joke intended) but he’s really off the reservation here.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Jan 14, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly right. Mostly
if you are at the top of the heap there is a reason for it. Most competent coaches are not looking over their shoulder to see who is gaining ground.
yessir
I’ll rec you on that one. A good coach, a good exec, a good general, a good friend, all surround themselves with people who make their lives and jobs easier. To both get the job done, and to decrease the drama, increase the end result correlation. Less drama = higher productivity = better finished product. Yeah there are a few (little itty biddy) other variables in that equation but you get the drift.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 14, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Oh my lord...
“They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power
that just makes no sense…none…
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Mike Martz at any job he's had
You know he’s looking for a HC job and would willingly take it. Eric Mangini hiring George Kokinis as GM because he knew he wasn’t a threat….Not saying I agree in this particular case, but it’s not that unusual.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 14, 2010 8:11 AM CST up reply actions
of course on some level anybody does what they can to surround themselves
with people who will HELP them not HINDER them. But I don’t know too many HC’s that are looking over their shoulders at their OC’s or DC’s. It happens occasionally. I’m sure if Coughlin had gone to hell in a hand bag, their last DC would have been a viable competitor for his job.
Because most don't hire people that are a threat to them
But I don’t know too many HC’s that are looking over their shoulders at their OC’s or DC’s.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 14, 2010 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
that's valid...see below...I don't think your points are unreasonable at all
I think it’s because it’s a Whitlock thing.
"Because most don't hire people that are a threat to them"
And that’s why this whole article is moot. Haley is the one who had the decision to hire these guys (I’m sure with heavy input from Scott on Crennel), not Pioli. Haley gets to choose his own coaching staff, Scott has said that a fair amount of times.
Hail to the king, baby.
exactly. I think we're splitting hairs with this discussion. I don't think it has merit here in KC right now.
I mean if your Belichek are you nervice? If your Parcells are you nervice? No. So it comes to the paranoid might be those on the cusp more so than those who are great at being a HC in the NFL.
So it’s up to Haley. If he’s paranoid, there’s probably a reason to be paranoid. If he’s not, then he’s doing a hell of a job and has no reason not to have confidence. I’m sure Cowher wasn’t worried about anyone else. It’s an individual thing. I’ve been paranoid about the same thing on different jobs in the past, but usually there’s some merit to the paranoia.
Other people who are doing a better job don’t have that problem.
Whitlock makes the point that Haley isn't ciachy enough
to be paranoid. I find it a little silly but….
by bonesjackson on Jan 14, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
And to be completely honest
I don’t see either Weis or Crennel being promoted to HC here like JW suggests Weis could be.
Hail to the king, baby.
But not this year,
not next. They would both need to reestablish themselves and shower off the mud from their last positions. They have the chops, the cred sure, but it doesn’t mean mud doesn’t stick when you are thrown into the dirt.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 14, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
It happens every day in real life.....
Most managers are scared shitless when they have an ambitious employee. Hell until last year I had no ambition for management yet my boss always felt threatened by things I would learn and pickup on just because I want to know how everything works around me. Why would this surprise anyone is beyond me. I am with you on the loyalty issue though as I dont see Tuna guys screwing a Tuna guy. But if this was written by anyone other than Jason, people would actually think about what is being said and not just give a blanket ad hominem attack.
by bonesjackson on Jan 14, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
Your boss must have been feeling
guilty about being exposed as a charlatan. Most good bosses want the best and most competent people they can possibly have working with them. You know, if Whitlock would ever say something which is not pure unadulterated bullsh*t, I would be the first to give him a pat on the back. Unfortunately, Whitlock seems to be mired in the cesspool of his own journalistic excess. He is profoundly pathetic.
There's two ways to look at your staff
One – keep em in the dark, make sure they don’t learn too much, control all their actions = leads to paranoia, rightfully so, as there is no loyalty.
Two – train em up, make em loyal, set them up for success = loyalty, camaraderie, higher ability to GETSHITDONE, effectively and enjoyably. An enjoyable workplace where people work with and rely on one another means more productivity. Sure folks may leave for better jobs, but they are not gunning for your – unless you are a shmuck and are the one causing their ship, that they have come to love, to sink.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 14, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, and given those
two choices, there is really only one to make. At least to my way of thinking that is.
I just don't know of too many instances where a back up was a huge threat to the HC
I mean Jim Zorn?? He’s gone. Cable? Uhh no! The assistant coaches can become intermediate coaches but long term not usually. Gunther. I don’t see these two as viable threats to his job what so ever. Only to Clancy’s job. Obvious.
You never worked with someone that was so good
the boss felt threatened?
by bonesjackson on Jan 14, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see any obvious insecurities in Haley. He's humble but confident in the way he
believes things need to be done. He talks to guys like Parcells, Crennel and many others……he just works hard, doesn’t put up with bs and wants to get things done. In many ways, it appears that he is just the opposite of the very insecure guy that we are talking about (again, I don’t care to ever hear his name).
"ALL the time" may be a bit much
But it does happen.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 14, 2010 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's more than that Joel. I think Whitlock has spent so much time and energy
ripping the Chiefs at every corner and bad mouthing them, he’s like a troll. Who wants to listen to him? I mean unless your sitting in the bathroom with a razor blade a bottle of vodka and some vicodin, why would you? I think Whitlock has created an environment for himself where as soon as his name is mentioned, it’s instant defensiveness.
You already know what’s coming and you just don’t want to hear it. Had someone like Rich Eisen written a similiar article on the Chiefs, it might have had a totally different reaction from the AP faithful. But Whitlock asked for this. HE created his persona.
I think a lot of people see "Whitlock"
And have a predisposed reaction to that without even reading and reacting to what he’s actually written. Not saying that’s you, kray…I’m just saying that happens with a lot of folks.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 14, 2010 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No that's my point. I think it's a whitlock thing. You took the words right out of my mouth.
It’s impossible to take Whitlock seriously. Like I said, if Rich Eisen had written the same article, it probably would have had a different reaction this morning. It’s all because it’s Whitlock. And I’m guilty of it. I just hate hearing his name. He’s so negative. No matter what we do here to improve he has to find the darkside. Always. There’s no way hiring Weis and Romeo are negatives anymore so than any other hire in history. But he alwasys is negative so you get predisposed to him.
I agree Kray
And its unfortunate, but this is what he has set himself up for. He is a fairly intelligent man, but he doesnt take into account that
1) Neither of these guys has tried to upstage his boss
2) while both are good, they have failed at HC jobs, and need to do well to get another shot and prove they can work in a system as soldiers, not generals.
And, why are we throwing Mike Martz around? Has either of them (crennel/wies) done anything Martz like? EVER?
by The IT Guy on Jan 14, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Frankly, Joel
If it was written by anybody else you wouldn’t have linked it.
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by Justin Bopp on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
May Happen, but...
…it seems to me that the Coordinators who get considered for Head Coaching gigs are the ones who do well for their team. If they’re doing well for their team, then the Head Coach is winning. If the Head Coach is winning then there’s not much controversy there, right?
Only perpetually losing teams/GMs would promote a Coordinator who they think is doing well on a losing team (please insert picture of Al Davis here). The definition of success is winning, so promoting a Coordinator who has lost games doesn’t make much sense, although I recognize some do it. If memory serves me well, it didn’t work out so well for those who did that…
I think promoting a Coordinator over a Head Coach on a losing team mostly happens when you can’t find a talented Head Coach candidate who is willing to take the job (again, insert picture of Al Davis here)…
Just my thoughts — oh, and I don’t care much for Whitlock’s articles, but I understand that he likes brewing controversy…
ALL the time
Shit, it happens every second of every day in every walk of life.
by bonesjackson on Jan 14, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
I just mean the ownership thing
I disagree with the notion that Head Coaches percieve every single action of their owners as a threat to their power…it’s complete nonsense
Both in the fact that he is speaking in absolutes AND that it just isn’t true of the Owner/HC relationship and doesn’t make sense to suggest.
That’s where I am coming from.
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I'm not suggesting the article itself makes no sense....it does
But their presence actually eases it for me…because if he does blow it…they’re there
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That's the point!
If Haley blows it, then Weis can step into the head coach role very easily. And maybe he wants to do that?
by Joel Thorman on Jan 14, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
That's why they could be perceived as a threat to Haley
by Joel Thorman on Jan 14, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Fear of Failure
Haley said this just last week:
"That’s the bottom line. That’s what drives me and continues to drive me is the fear of failure. I don’t want to fail. I’ll be judged by my record and right now, it’s 4-12."
So this should be a good thing, right?
Right
I say I don’t disagree with THAT aspect (the majority of the article) only the ownership thing
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Would you really want Weis to coach
The guy couldn’t win at ND. If you are a decent HC you can win easily at major colleges like ND, USC, OK, Fla. and others. These schools can always get the best talent in the country and winning should be easy. Barry Switzer was a horrible HC, but at OK he could get some of the best FB players in the US and winning was easy. Weis and Crennel are good coordinators, but not so good HCs and maybe they just want to do what they love w/o the headaches of being HC. Whitlock is just using these hirings as a way to make some irrelevant point.
Woodman212
What did you thing of the suplex?
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
Ridiculous
Actually…I was getting you to find the highlight reel and the time stamp so I could use it in an email to PFT…So his little article about it last week, used some of your research…lol
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That's cool
I think the league should look into that incident because a 5k fine isn’t enough. It was well after the whistle, his forward progress had already been stopped, and JC wasn’t trying to push forward anymore. Real cheapshot IMO.
We should start a collection here @ AP to get you some servicable internet man. You need to be able to stream videos, its unamerican not to.
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
I disagree w whitlock but i know where he’s coming from; the ultimate devil’s advocate who stirs up the pot. it gets everybody talking about it. that’s why he has a job, guests on rome, etc. otherwise his writing wouldve gotten him canned long ago.
Long story longer: whitlocks wrong, if crennel and weis do decide to leave, I doubt it’d be for te chiefs head position. they’ll use teir success here to springboard somewhere else ifthey do leave
by 8k1c6 on Jan 14, 2010 8:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions
one thing to consider...
Weis and Crennels success translates to Haley’s success to some extent. If Haley is failing, the team is probably failing. If the team is failing, what do to think the chances are we promote a coordinator that failed as a head coach, then was not successful as our coordinator. If failure does indeed occur,. which I doubt, they are much more likely to go get someone outside the team, off the “tree”
by jakethesnake27 on Jan 14, 2010 8:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
The success of Haley is contingent on Weis/Crennel.
The possibility that they (Crennel or Weis) get a head coaching gig with Chiefs or elsewhere is contingent upon the success of their coordinating. Mike Martz is a brilliant coordinator, failed head coach, and is black-balled around the league because he’s seen as a guy who would turn on his own Grandmother.
If no one can get along, not only will the Chiefs fail, but they will ALL look like buffoons. This is why I feel like they’ll all mesh pretty well. It’s practical for all of them.
I’d also like to point out that everyone likes to talk about how Pioli did nothing and Bellichick did everything in New England, but when it’s time for free agents or coaches to find new teams, they’re not running back to the Bills (Parcells/Bellichick), they’re coming to Scott. That’s promising.
Also if Haley lets the coordinators do their job without to much tampering then we know who is to blame when one side of the ball isn't cutting it.
Our coordinators have the experience to go out and do their jobs well. Give them the talent and let them get the job done. Yes it goes back to the coach for hiring them but I’m sure Pioli was 100% on board with each.
So?
Whitlock is not a Chiefs fan…so why do we care?
Whitlock speaking....
Well lemme go outside and hold a finger up to see how the fanbase wind is blowing? hmmm, seems they are really anxious and excited about them Chiefs…New Coaches huh? Well time to take a sh@t on their fun………AGAIN.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Mr. Whitlock,
I understand your drive and longing to stir up things for the Chiefs. You always find the negative out of my team. So lets take a look at your Life Mr. Shitlock.
Your highest point of your football career is blocking for Jeff George at Warren Township
You was fired from ESPN in 2006
You love to talk shit behind peoples back, just ask Mike Lupica and Robert “Scoop” Jackson
You think Jeff George still has a good chance to play in the NFL and is deserving a tryout.
I could keep going but my point is that you know very little about the sport you “write” about, and furthermore your career is acclaimed with being self-centered, mouthy, and full of drama. Until you find out how to write about the game of football and lay of my Chiefs I will never read your shit and you will be forever known as Mr. Shitlock because you have the lock-down on all of the bullshit.
Where are the Greenpeace people trying to get him to swim back out to sea?
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Haley
I think quite the opposite of Whitlock. Haley wants to win enough that he is willing to bring in threats to his own job in order to do so. Also I don’t think Weis and Crennel would sign on for a coach they had no respect for. Neither of them are coming here to be the Chiefs head coach.
i dont care if they are a threat
if it gets our team winning, to the playoffs and to the super bowl
Great moments are born from great opportunity.
It's not about recreating the New England Dynasty
It’s taking personnel who have had success in their roles and moving them to a new team.
Does Whitlock think we should hire former Raider coaches? Doesn’t he know anything about creating a winning atmosphere?
His whole argument is contradictory
If Weis and Crennel are such a threat to plot a takeover of the HC position, and paranoia is what makes a good HC, wouldn’t Weis and Crennel make Haley extra paranoid? And thus, an extremely good head coach?
by Reno_Chief on Jan 14, 2010 9:12 AM CST via mobile reply actions
His job is to attract readers..
Positively OR negatively…..Some love his stuff and want to read it, and other cant stand the guy but will say “i wonder what this fat SOB has to ay today”..and read it….Thats jsut the way journalism is…to get people to read it, not to get Everybody to agree with what u have to say..
Like Bill O'Reilly
Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh. They don’t give a shit if you like ’em or hate ’em as long as you are listening then the only thing you are to them is “Cha-ching!”
by bonesjackson on Jan 14, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
It’s just the attention. Period.
That’s what makes Whitlock good at what he does…even though most of us dislike him.
To KC fans he has become
the man you love to hate……and that’s alright with him…..and thats why The KC Star keeps him on staff..
But OF COURSE that's what Whitlock says
Because it’s the most obvious way he can make shit up to stir the pot. Honestly, he’s beginning to get predictable. Yawn Yawn.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
He's too busy taking classless shots at the Chiefs and misses the real point.
Could he have written a valid article about Pioli, Haley, Weis, and Crennel being too many big names and (his favorite word) egos to coexsist together. To me that is a valid question, but he misses the mark by taking shots.
Weis and Crennel are big time coordinator hires, but he calls their hiring “a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.”
He tries to take a shot at Haley and implies that he doesn’t know what he’s getting into by saying that he “has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity”. Why is this a bad thing? Does he really want a coach that cares more about his job then what’s best for the team. I think this quote is total garbage:
“Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.”
It’s not paranoia you hack, it’s a desire to WIN GAMES. Parcells wasn’t thinking I have to do what it takes to not get fired, he was doing what it takes to win. List all the great coaches in the history of the NFL and find one that you can tell me what drove him to be great was the desire to “not get fired”.
Finally, the last line of his article is what makes Whitlock a pathetic excuse for writer.
“Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.”
Really, REALLY!!! Haley’s hiring of the best coordinator canidates on the market with three super bowl rings a piece was a mistake that Haley made because of his golf background?!?!?!?!
If he’s not a fan of Pioli, Haley, and the gang, fine. But at least come at them with something other then petty name calling and biased speculation. One of his most pathetic columns to date, and that is saying something.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Jan 14, 2010 9:40 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
Not to mention,Haley pushed to get Weis here
if he was really concerned with him taking his job, he would have never even mentioned his name…..
I don't think anything tastes worse then Whitlock's Hater Aid.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
Nailed it.
Thanks Porkchop. You said it all and very eloquently. Maybe you should take over his Job… :)
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 14, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I soooo called this article before it happened.
Let me find the link.
See Data Differently.
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The funny thing to me is
If there’s anything that shows a complete lack of ego by Haley, it’s the hiring of two highly experienced coordinators.
If you want to understand Whitlock’s point of view, take any situation, turn it on its head, drink a little, and describe what character flaws you could imagine while making dated R&B references. His point is to challenge our perception and he does that well, but the problem is that many don’t challenge his assertions and conclusions, they just pick up the torch of “EGO!”
That whole “22 guys off the street” thing is a perfect example. That came from Whitlock and was never, ever corroborated. The ego thing was picked up and carried throughout the season by the afternoon drinking sportstalk show callers.
And this, the “Haley is too stupid to be paranoid” and “this is Haley’s make or break season” memes are next. You’ll be seeing them everywhere now.
:: rolleyes ::
Think for yourselves people. It actually might be possible that we found a competent GM and a young and talented coach. It actually might be possible that successful coordinators want to come and work for them. It actually might be possible that the Chiefs are on the right track.
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exactly, if it was ALL ego, haley hires friends of the family who havent made it big yet...
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
Whitlock Twitter
there was a quote along the lines of “I dont follow PRO Football”
now its time that none of us follow his articles….
this one is beyond silly.
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
well said justin
whitlock acts as if weis and crennel are still ‘up and comers’ …. both are in their 60’s and the way i see it is those two are going to make one more glorious ride into the sunset……i just don’t agree with the argument that weis is weaseling his way into ‘possibly’ being head coach in 2010……doesn’t have a lot of pull with me……i mean these guys do have egos and those egos were badly bruised with Notre Dame and Cleveland……that’s why KC is a much better fit than NY or some huge market……glad to have them here…..whitlock is a dummy
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Long live #58
are coaches paranoid? yes however
he is overlooking one aspect…I compare it to a QB who was drafted by a previous regime, he instantly becomes an outcast, and honestly was not drafted our put in place by the new staff so they dont like him or want much to do with him….they want their own guy
haley got his own guy, weis, he called weis for advice, same as crennel…whitlock is clueless, coaches are comfortable around those they call friends, there is a BIG difference…the wives are friends, their kids are friends…they sit together at all the games, go to all the events…
I think we have quite possibly the best coaching staff in the nfl all around including front office….now its time to turn that into wins..
I will also say, if we struggle this year, haley still doenst get fired….sorry…not happening…he will get a 3rd year to be a scapegoat if year two doesnt work out…but with an easier schedule, better coaches around him…I think its funny when people like whitlock have made statements that we wont be much better….obviously we will see what happens in FA/Draft, but we are ALREADY better…
our two best players are who? Flowers, Charles….both UNDER 24 years old…
we have a head coach that ran the arizona offense that sputtered without him and even had warner saying they missed him, we have two super bowl winning X3 coordinators…and one of the best young minds at GM in football….our owner/gm/head coach combo is all under 45 years old….that says if successful, or if able toi get something going….they can be good for a long long time…
As for head coaching jobs, crennel at 61, off a surgery, may have no interest in taking on that full role…many realize they are a coordinator(see al saunders going to washington over oakland to be a head coach, he had done it before, it didnt pan out)
Ill take that.
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
and
this focusing on one thing concept…MY GOODNESS, hes NOT A GOLF COACH, he even has a family background of scouting in the nfl…I really really fail to see a valid point there…YES a head coach has MANY things to handle, that is why hiring weis/crennel to run your units instantly makes YOU better…makes HALEY a better coach. To say it means that now he would need to sleep with one eye open? Cmon Whitlock…that is so silly, people forget, Pioli has his reputation on Todd Haley as well…he doesnt want todd haley to be replaced…Weis and Crennel FAILED as a HC, with many years to get it going, haley had one year, without an OC, and with a now fired DC….this is just SILLY
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
its just finally time to say, lets finish the staff with assistants...and focus on the PLAYERS...
the coach bashing, or replace the coach, or any of that….is really pointless….
lets all focus on FA/Draft and getting top notch assistants, as well as will Muir be back? Haley said he was very valuable.
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
Classic Whitlock
Finding something negative in every positive bit of Chiefs news.
Whitlock
is ridiculous and I’m going to quote one thing.
Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting."
Haley was brought up watching film and learning from his father about football. Football was the FIRST thing in Haley’s life. Haley was a golfer in college..a whole 4 years of golf. He’s been a footbal coach ever since. So..Haley was brought up on football from the time he was a little kid, up until the time he went to college, had a little break from football, then went back to WHAT HE KNOWS BEST!
But Haleys just a golfer.
damn
do this guy every have something good to say i mean if you seem to hate us as much as you do well as it seem you should write about another team move you fat ass away we don’t need you
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Please never again reference Whitlock on this site.
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
Whitlock comments are so premature
We have to see who we get in free agency and the draft to determine what we should expect from the Chiefs this year. I guess if the Chiefs start 0 -10 the Chiefs would make a change. I think if the Pat’s go 0 -10 they will make a change. I think if Zack Greinke goes 0-10 with a 50 .OO ERA he will be sent to the minors. I think if Jimmy Johnson finishes last in his first 10 races and wrecks every time they will make a change.
I want Whitlock to make a change to another City.
comment #142...
Proof once again, the dumber the post ( not you Joel…Whity) the more responses you get.
Whitlock is a complete moron
I used to like his articles back in the day, but now he just plays devil’s advocate to every move the Chiefs make. I tried reading his article in the paper today.. quit after two paragraphs when he said that until Brady comes here he’s not sold on it working with Crennel and Weis.
RABLE RABLE RABLE!!!
Has Whitlock ever written anything positive?
Pitchers and Catchers report February 17th... And so begins my masochistic addiction.
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