OG/C prospects ( Pre Workouts)

by kcchiefstd on Jan 11, 2010 10:29 PM CST

OG prospects include Center prospects because they are constantly drafted to play G. Will add seperate Center prospects list, with this post after jump. Thats Gs and Cs then Cs as for the need for us to draft a Center. Also will put G/C if player apears better suited for the G position or C/G if the player is better suited for the Center position.

Out of the OC and OG prospect JRs it apears Maurkice Pouncey will declare while his brother will stay in school. O'Dowd is a ?. Weisnewski will more than likely return for his senior season. There is no word about Florida State OG Rodney Hudson. Maurkice Pouncey and O'Dowd will be only JRs included.

1. Mike Iupati, 6'5'' 330, Idaho (5.2) G - An Outland Trophy Finalist and All American. Is one of the best OG prospects I have seen, will be the first OG off the board. (mid to late 1st)

2. Jon Asamoah, 6'4'' 315, Illinois (5.08) G - Big 10 Second Team, Good Athlete who is a really good OG prospect. (2nd rd)

3. Maurkice Pouncey, G/C - Refer to Center after the jump. (2nd rd)

4. Tennant, G/C - refer to Center prospects.

5. O'Dowd, G/C - refer to Center after jump. (2nd rd)

6. Mitch Petrus, 6'3'' 315, Ark (5.09) G - Athleticly gifted player who played TE and FB early in his colleg carear. A solid prospect for the ZONE blocking scheme. (3 - 4)

7. Mike Johnson, 6'5'' 305, Ala (5.38) G - First Team All American, never been injured. Could become my #2 G with improved speed. (2 - 3)

8. Vladimir Ducasse, 6'5'' 330, UMass (5.3) G - FCS First Team All American. I see him as a very good fit for teams running a man blocking scheme. (2nd - 3rd rd)

9. J.D. Walton - refer to Center prospects. (2-3)

10. Larsen - " " (3-4)

11. Alfred. " " (4-5)

12. Sergio Render, 6'3'' 303, (5.26) G - ACC Second Team. A player that I like to watch good ability. (4-6)

13. John Jerry, 6'5'' 350, Ole Miss, (5.5) G - SEC First Team. A massive body, but will struggle getting to the second level. (5th rd)

14. Brandon Carter, 6'6'' 344, T Tech (5.42) G - Third Team All American. Same as Jerry. (4th -5th rd)

15. Eric Olsen. refer to Centers below.G/C (5th)

16. Hall. " " G/C ( 5 - 6)

17. Estes. " " C/G(5 - 7)

18. Reggie Stephens, 6'3'' 334, Iowa St (5.46) G - Big 12 Honerable Mention. (6th - 7th)

19. Shawn Lauvao, 6'3'' 305, Ariz St (5.24) G - Pac Ten Second Team (coaches) (7th)

20. Cord Howard, 6'4'' 308, G Tech (5.38) G - ACC First Team. Would like to see him improve his 40 time because I really like this players potential. (6th - 7th)

21. Thomas Austin, 6'3'' 310, Clemson (5.16) G/C - ACC Second Team. Could play Center in the NFL. With solid workouts and and Combine work could JUMP up the board. (6th - FA)

22. Marshal Newhouse, 6'3'' 317, TCU (5.06) G - Mountain West First Team. excellent athlete could easily move up into the 5th rd. A prospect I would like the Chiefs to look at. (7th - FA)

23. Erik Cook. refer to Centers below. G/C (7th)

24. Andrew Lewis, 6'4'' 292, Okl St (5.23) G/T/C - A swing O-Line prospect. (7th - FA)

25. Cordle - refer to Centers. G/C (7th - FA)

26. Mutcher - " " C/G (7th - FA)

27. Shelly Smith, 6'3'' 300, Colorado St (5.22) G - Mountain West Honerable Mention. (7th - FA)

28. Jeff Byers, 6'3'' 295, USC (5.22) G - Third Team All American. (7th - FA)

29. Hickman - refer to Centers. G/C (7th - FA)

30. Fisher - " " C/G true swing could go either spot. (7th - FA)

31. Kurtis Gregory, 6'4'' 308, MU (5.18) G - Big 12 Second Team. Worth bringing in post draft for a workout. (URFA)

Center prospects after the jump.

1. Matt Tennant, 6'4'' 291, BC (5.06) G/C - Second Team All American at Center. Good athlete who would make a Great NFL guard. (2nd)

2. Maurkice Pouncey, 6'5'' 318, Florida (JR) G/C - A solid player with good technique. Tall for the Center position, but is another prospect who would make a very good OG. (2)

3. Kristofer O'Dowd, 6'5'' 300, USC (JR) G/C - PAC Ten First Team, battled injury all year but is not a risk. Looks to me to be another very good guard prospect. (2nd - 3rd)

4. J.D Walton, 6'3'' 305, Baylor (5.19) C/G - I'm not fooling anyone he is my #1 Center. First Team All American. The player I want more than any other to be a Chief next year. (2nd - 3rd rd)

5. Ted Larsen, 6'2'' 300, NC State (5.24) C/G - A former D line player who has Excellent strength and Hand punch. Who also shows good agility and foot work. Looks to be a very capable NFL Center. If we don't get Walton this would be choice #2. (3 - 4)

6. Kenny Alfred, 6'2'' 300, Wash St (5.24) C/G - Pac TEN Second Team (coaches) Was Offensive player of the week 7 times in 2009. (4 - 5)

7. John Estes, 6'2'' 300, Hawaii (5.22) C/G - WAC First Team Center. Excellent strength and athletic ability for the position. A very good prospect and my #3 option. (5th - 7th)

8. Kyle Mutcher, 6'3'' 300, Weber St (5.16) C/G - FCS First Team All American. Has never missed a game. Could develop into Pro-Bowl caliber Center. (6th - FA)

9. Eric Olsen, 6'4'' 305, ND (5.26) G/C - Should be drafted to play Guard. Never missed a game while at ND. (5th rd)

10. Chris Hall, 6'4'' 298, Texas (5.2) G/C - Can play all 5 O-Line positions. Third Team All American. (5th - 6th)

11. Chris Fisher, 6'3'' 292, La-Lafayette (5.08) C/G - 2 time Sun Belt First Team. Excellent athletic ability. A solid prospect. (7th - FA)

12. Jim Cordle, 6'4'' 298, Ohio St (5.12) G/C - A good swing O-Line prospect. don't know much about him. (7th - FA)

13. Erik Cook, 6'6'' 318, New Mexico (5.36) G/C - A solid prospect at the OG position. Brother is currently in the NFL. (7th rd)

14. Jacob Hickman, 6'4'' 292, Neb (5.29) G/C - 3 time Honerable mention Big 12. (7th - FA)

That would be the prospects for the C and G positions.

Poll

Who would you most like the Chiefs to draft?

Matt Tennant (pick 2a)

7 votes

J.D Walton (pick 2b)

26 votes

Ted Larsen (pick 3rd rd, maybe available 4th rd)

6 votes

Kenny Alfred ( 4th or 5th rd)

3 votes

John Estes (pick 5a)

7 votes

49 votes | Poll has closed

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Draft Pouncey

I like him a lot as a G/C prospect, and I don’t think Iupati will be available for KC’s 2nd round picks. I think if they want someone to start and do well right away, they will have to use one of the 2nd round picks.

by Wheatboy74 on Jan 11, 2010 10:42 PM CST reply actions

J.D Walton

but yes as you see I have updated Iupati to Mid to late 1st rd he will not be around for rd two.

by kcchiefstd on Jan 11, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions

haven't the top Centers gone mid to late first in recent drafts?

not that Pioli wouldn’t love to trade down

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 12, 2010 12:08 AM CST reply actions

typiclly

centers arent drafted in the first round at all

by AirNorval on Jan 12, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions

agreed

there were one or two last year, but 2nd round is usually prime time for the top centers

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 12, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions

I should also add

that typically safeties arent top 5 picks, but that doesnt stop you guys for calling for Berry. From my perspective the Chiefs would have to be stupid not to get a franchise left tackle.

by AirNorval on Jan 12, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions

well, I appreciate your opinion

many would say KC did draft a franchise LT last year, so drafting another this year would be “stupid”

Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if they grab Matt Light, LT from the Patriots in the offseason or an OT in the 2nd round of the draft

But, the real help for KC is in the OG/C that they could grab in the mid rounds of the draft

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 12, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions

You mean Albert?

He was taken in the 08 draft right? From what Ive seen the guy isnt a LT, if the Chiefs drafted one in 2010 and moved Albert to RT, that could solve two positions with one draft pick.
That combined with a stud OG selection at the top of the 2nd or 3rd, and a good FA interior linemen would fix the Oline.
Interior offensive line does happen to be a decent class in FA btw.

by AirNorval on Jan 12, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions

that's what I meant by "last year"... I'm still thinking this is 09

I’m not sure Albert “isnt’ a LT”
he wouldn’t do better at RT, IMO

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 12, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions

1) the real life is Madden football. you can’t just take a left side line player and move him to the right. it is not an easy transition.

2) alberts had to go through a change in blocking schemes….and new terminology. he also had to learn to play at a lower weight.

3) waters is aging and isn’t really helping alberts. so did having a qb who holds onto the ball too long, so did having slow receivers who couldn’t get open.

4) we have way too many holes to fill than to spend a top 5 pick on a position that is already filled on an adequate to above average LT. hint: look at Pro Bowler LT Ryan Clady’s numbers this year!

yes, safeties don’t normally go that high, but people are looking at Berry and seeing Ed Reed. When a player is an outstanding player at a given position, he warrants being taken earlier than a player at his given position.

"We're not losers, we just can't win!"

by chief Stevie_k on Jan 12, 2010 9:47 PM CST up reply actions

oops

that is supposed to say ‘real life isn’t* Madden football.’

"We're not losers, we just can't win!"

by chief Stevie_k on Jan 12, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions

Is it me...

or do we have a team full of man blocking lineman trying to play zone? I mean I really can’t think of anyone on the roster that fits the bill. I think we should move Albert to LG. He is extremely athletic and we would be able to pull him on sweeps. My favorite LT in the draft is Buluga (OT, Iowa), in terms of value. I think he would be a great target if we could trade down. For center I think we should get a stop gap like K Mawae from the Titans or possibly move Waters. We can draft Estes in the 5th round and groom him for a year or two. As for the right side O’Callaghan looks decent and Brown will be coming back from IR. RG could be filled with Alleman, Nudukwe, or a mid round pick like Zane Beadles out of Utah.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Jan 13, 2010 2:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Nice post rec'd

There are some decent interior Olinemen this year in FA

by AirNorval on Jan 13, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions

HAHA

1) OTs switch sides all the time in the NFL. Oher played LT and RT this year, the Chargers have a Guard from the practice squad that played both OT positions. Dont tell me an OT cant switch sides, and that it requires calculus.
2) Albert came into camp fat is what you meant to say I think.
3) We both agree new interior linemen are needed; in my case I believe this to be true regardless of who plays LT
4) If drafting a LT fixes RT you fill two holes with one pick, thats called value
5) Im sure Berry is good, but the Chiefs need a pass rush before they should worry about sexy secondary picks

by AirNorval on Jan 13, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions

I agree -

Albert is good enough for a league average tackle, but the best, whom were hoping to beat, Harrison, Freeny, Suggs, Mathews, beat him like a rented mule. He’s too light.

by tenacious rdc on Jan 13, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions

And drafting a LT

Is never stupid if you need one. Take into consideration position value, and the odds of actually getting a great player; and it’s almost the smartest decision a franchise can make.
I mean you guys paid Cassle, dont you want him to succeed? Plus the top of the 2nd round is a prime location for drafting a safety, if thats really a need.

If I had to guess Id bet that at least one of the Chiefs first day picks is a OT or an OLB.

by AirNorval on Jan 12, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions

you're right about one thing

And drafting a LT
Is never stupid if you need one.

that’s the big debate… does KC need a new LT? I’m saying.. not really.
I’d consider drafting a tackle in the 2nd… but more likely, I’d look for Guards and Centers in the 2nd-5th rounds, and keep BOTH current OTs in place.

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 12, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions

????

Why don’t you think Maurkice Pouncey, Matt Tennant or Kris O’Dowd will be a center in the NFL as they were in college?

Maurkice Pouncey was the recipient of the Rimington trophy this year, best college center.

by chrisclark_dfw on Jan 12, 2010 4:54 AM CST reply actions

He's listed at both

I think he’d make a decent pick, if he were to last to the 2nd.

As for the list, I don’t really have any issues with the top ten, except that I’d probably move Mike Johnson up to #5, O’Dowd down to more like #10, and if there were room, I might bump up Ducasse. Those are minor nit-picks, though. It’s really hard to grade out interior linemen, so kudos for this effort.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions

I actually agree with that.

IF Johnson can improve his 40 time he WILL move up the board as he is an excellent blocker at the point of attack. O’Dowd is really not any higher than #10 to me but I felt there were more people that have him around the spot I put him. Ducasse has the same issue as Johnson.

by kcchiefstd on Jan 12, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions

40 time...

I could care less.

for me, evaluating linemen is all about seeing them in action.

Mike Johnson was DOMINANT in the championship game… I don’t care if he runs a 6 second 40yd dash… I’d take him

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 12, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions

I definitely agree on the 40

I did make mention of the 40 vis a vis linemen in another thread, but it was a joke. I made it to sort of lampoon how certain linemen, particularly interior linemen, rise or fall so sharply due to 40 times.

I’d actually be much more concerned with the vertical (explosiveness), bench (upper-body strength and chest/limb endurance), and broad jump (lateral burst). I really wish they’d test these guys in how many reps they can do at, say, 350 on the bench and 450 on the squat (or, better yet, front squat), because IMO those are much better ways to get an idea of how much pushing and explosiveness a lineman has. It’s nice to see that a 300lb. guy can bench 225lbs. 25 times, but in addition to that, it’d be nice if we could see him try to hit 350lbs. 5-10 times.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions

agreed

Why do they even bother making linemen run a 40-yard dash in shorts with no equipment on? I’m trying to think of a reason why the hundreths of a second differences in the 40-yard dash times of OLs might possibly be relevant, but I can’t.

“Jeez, this guy would be a great guard, but he’s slow in the 40, guess we better not take him because he’s a step slow in all those plays where we need our guards to sprint 40 yards downfield with no equipment on.”

by Offense of the 70s on Jan 13, 2010 7:05 AM CST up reply actions

Pouncey

At 6’5’’ He is going to have a hard time getting Leverage off the snap. With more Teams now running the 3/4 this becomes an even bigger issue. I think it becomes more important to have a more squat player at Center. Allso Pouncey would still be a great pick for a someone as a OG. We have not seen much of him at the position, but I’m willing to assume we would be talking about him the same way as Iupati.

by kcchiefstd on Jan 12, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions

That's what I was wondering.....

Somebody is really going to have to explain the argument against a center being 6’-5"…

12 of the 32 starting centers last year were 6’-4" or taller. Nick Mangold is 6’-5" and Kevin Mawae is 6’-4".

by chrisclark_dfw on Jan 12, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ...

first off, this is on HELLUVA list, well done research, good post!

now then, just a wild thought … by know most of y’all know how bent I am on Pioli getting OLine in place, not just for this year but for several years down the road, so …

trade down with someone, anyone … so that we get basically two 1st Round picks … and end up with Okung and Iupati … (I know, never happen)

any of Asamoah, Johnson, Ducasse … and Okung … and I’d be a very happy camper indeed (I think we need at least 3 OL picks, and at least as high as 2nd round if not first – we need, need, need the talent, lots of it)

hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 12, 2010 9:12 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

rec'd. We need talent big time. I don't care though which side of the ball they fix first

but get one and get it right.

by krayfish on Jan 12, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions

You can score all you want on offense

But if you cant stop the other team you will never win a championship!

See Dick Vermeil

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Jan 12, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions

theres something i like about

o’dowd…in the 2nd or 3rd rd.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Jan 12, 2010 11:32 AM CST reply actions

Free angency does not look good for a lot of reasons so the draft becomes even more important

As I see it the areas of the greatest need are MLB,SS, and NT. My guess is you’re looking at round 3 or 4 before a C is taken. Prefer shorter center so it is not so easy to get under. We don’t need someone with a history of injuries, no more Dorsey or Brodie who you just hope will be there, just waiting for the next one.

gordymule

by gordymule on Jan 12, 2010 12:03 PM CST reply actions

This is where KC can REALLY "win" the draft

getting the right C/G, as late as possible, would make this a fanatastic draft.

I say “as late as possible” because this is the one position where you’re most likely to land a STARTER in rounds 3-5.

IF they could grab Mike Johnson, John Jerry, John Estes or (one of my fav’s) Sergio Render as late as the 4th or 5th round… that frees up earlier picks for “skill positions”… and it’s entirely possible that it could happen!

I would, however, sprint to the stand with a grin on my face if I were Pioli and I saw iupati on the board in the 2nd round.

I’m a big fan of Iupati, Mike Johnson, and Sergio Render…from what I’ve seen… any of these guys would be instant starters at RG or LG.

As for a Center… it seems like evaluation differs a LOT… so I’m hoping for O’dowd or Walton or maybe Estes… but we’ll see whom Pioli likes… could be someone we don’t expect.

You're either growing or you're dying, there ain't no third direction
-Big Tom Callahan

by stagdsp on Jan 12, 2010 12:34 PM CST reply actions

ssssssshhhhhhh.

not that guy don’t start talking about him yet. that is my steeltech.

by kcchiefstd on Jan 12, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions

I would love to get Render in the 5th.

by kcchiefstd on Jan 12, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions

Did I miss something?

Lots of talk about O’Dowd, but I don’t think he has even declared.

I want Wisniewski most of all, but he hasn’t declared either.

I also like Mike Johnson as a mid-round guy.

The deadline to declare is Jan. 15th I believe.

by Nick Britt on Jan 12, 2010 1:19 PM CST reply actions

Erik Cook, 6'6'' 318, New Mexico (5.36) G/C - A solid prospect at the OG position. Brother is currently in the NFL. (7th rd)

Cookie played on the same H.S. team as my son here in Albuquerque; was also a H.S. teammate of current Arizona Cardinal DT Alan Branch. Would be a steal in later rounds!

by chiefsfan62 on Jan 12, 2010 1:32 PM CST reply actions

how does this even happen?

6. Kenny Alfred, 6’2’’ 300, Wash St (5.24) C/G – Pac TEN Second Team (coaches) Was Offensive player of the week 7 times in 2009. (4 – 5)

"We're not losers, we just can't win!"

by chief Stevie_k on Jan 12, 2010 9:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

woops pushed enter by accident

Dace is a huge body with experience at both tackle and guard. He came in as a tackle, started as a true freshman and then hit a string of injuries. This past year he came back as a guard and absolutely dominated. Some might say he was the best lineman Iowa had this past season which includes the likes of Bulaga and Calloway. I’m an Iowa fan and to be honest with you, I don’t like Bulaga as a tackle prospect in the NFL as much as others may do…I would much rather draft either Dace or Calloway in the middle rounds to play guard(although Calloway played RT at Iowa). Also, I may sound like a homer, but Tony Moeaki would be a great fit with what we’re trying to do at tight end. He may be the best blocking tight end in the class and is no slouch as a receiver as he has great hands and uses his body well.

by pocha444444 on Jan 13, 2010 11:58 AM CST reply actions